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Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stealth on May 13, 2003, 04:20:06 pm
Same as dramatic, but what were the saddest.?

I think the end of Armageddon was sad.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 13, 2003, 04:29:53 pm
I think the existence of Armageddon is sad.

There have been damn few movies that have actually been emotionally engaging enough to make me feel sad when they wanted me to. Dissapointed, sure, mildly irritated, all right, but not sad. Well, maybe that one, but I can't recall the name, jes' a minute.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Thorn on May 13, 2003, 04:32:41 pm
Armageddon sucked...
Deep Impact was only slightly better.. at least part of the rock hit....
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stealth on May 13, 2003, 04:41:10 pm
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Armageddon sucked...
Deep Impact was only slightly better.. at least part of the rock hit...


damn, i must've been getting the two movies confused.  i've never seen Armageddon then... i must've been talking about Deep Impact... remember at the end, when the father's talking to his daughter right before they crash into the bigger rock, saying goodbye?  that's the part i was talking about.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Razor on May 13, 2003, 04:42:14 pm
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Originally posted by Thorn
Armageddon sucked...


:wtf: :wtf: :lol:

Oh the topic, I think that moment in X men when Jean died, it was pretty sad, but anyway, she looked hotter in X1 than x2. Why the hell did she cut her hair? :mad2:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Nico on May 13, 2003, 04:42:51 pm
the end of The Grave of the Fireflies ( an anime movie ).
it was so sad it was sick.
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Post by: ZylonBane on May 13, 2003, 04:45:03 pm
Yes Razor, Armageddon did indeed suck. And you think Jean died? Awww... isn't that cute.

This is a dumb topic anyway. We're all macho space pilots who use Shivan legs to pick our teeth! We don't experience this quaint emotion you call sadness.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 13, 2003, 04:53:20 pm
What Zylon said, at least the first part (me, I prefer a good plasma rifle, gets those corn pieces out, too). Razor, how'd you ever work out how to use a computer without learning just a little geek culture?
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Unknown Target on May 13, 2003, 05:05:49 pm
Armaggedon R0X0r3D!!!!1111

Anyways, there's only one movie that ever made me cry, and that was about this kid that had AIDs, and...well it's been awhile, so I forget.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Galemp on May 13, 2003, 05:07:28 pm
Saddest moment in my cinema experience was in Contact, when the Machine was destroyed. Brought tears to my eyes.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stealth on May 13, 2003, 05:10:59 pm
Razor, Jean didn't die... but to know that you'd have to have read the comics and/or seen the cartoon :D :p ;) :nod:

c'mon, let's stay on topic, right?
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Knight Templar on May 13, 2003, 06:05:09 pm
I cried my eyes out at the end of Independence Day. It was so sweet how the father died for his lil youngin's.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: ZylonBane on May 13, 2003, 06:14:52 pm
Yet somehow that didn't make up for how utterly craptacular the rest of the movie was.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 13, 2003, 06:16:01 pm
What, Independence Day? It wasn't supposed to be ****ing Schindler's List, it was supposed to be an action movie. And it did extremely well at that.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Knight Templar on May 13, 2003, 06:16:26 pm
*sobs harder*
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Turnsky on May 13, 2003, 07:11:26 pm
Battlefield earth: i cried for the rental money i spent on it:p :ha:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Thorn on May 13, 2003, 07:23:34 pm
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Originally posted by Turnsky
Battlefield earth: i cried for the rental money i spent on it:p :ha:

I did the smart thing and read the book..
Its much better...
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Turnsky on May 13, 2003, 07:25:01 pm
so did i, but i just had to see travolta's worst career move Ever
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: ZylonBane on May 13, 2003, 07:40:10 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
What, Independence Day? It wasn't supposed to be ****ing Schindler's List, it was supposed to be an action movie. And it did extremely well at that.
It was an action movie that seemed genuinely convinced that it was also a science fiction movie. And as science fiction, it was aneurysm-inducingly wretched.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Martinus on May 13, 2003, 07:41:24 pm
[color=66ff00]Crouching Tiger hidden dragon.
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Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 13, 2003, 07:45:24 pm
Zylon: Hell, one would be hard-put to name ten sci-fi movies that aren't. So?
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Post by: Kamikaze on May 13, 2003, 08:16:48 pm
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Originally posted by Turnsky
Battlefield earth: i cried for the rental money i spent on it:p :ha:


yeah, sad for being a bad movie and being a scientology movie. Doubley sad... erk. :blah:

Basically the only movie I've seen that was truly sad and "wow" was Grave of the Fireflies, that movie is genius.
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Post by: Martinus on May 13, 2003, 08:26:27 pm
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Basically the only movie I've seen that was truly sad and "wow" was Grave of the Fireflies, that movie is genius.

[color=66ff00]I'm actually a little annoyed that I've never heard of this film. Same as 'open your eyes' nobody in Ireland/UK would have seen it if it weren't for the existance of the poorer 'Vanilla sky'. :blah:
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Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: ZylonBane on May 13, 2003, 08:31:00 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Zylon: Hell, one would be hard-put to name ten sci-fi movies that aren't. So?
At least you're admitting how bad it was. :p

Oh, and in no particular order--
Dark City
The Thing (Carpenter version)
Gattacca
Forbidden Planet
Blade Runner
2001/2010
Alien/Aliens
The Time Machine
Robocop
Fantastic Planet
The Day the Earth Stood Still
The Fly (Cronenberg version)
12 Monkeys
Fantastic Voyage
Terminator 1/2
Planet of the Apes
Soylent Green
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Contact
The Arrival
Colossus - The Forbin Project
Alien Nation

Oh yeah, and Barbarella. :devil:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Blue Lion on May 13, 2003, 09:19:49 pm
Ace Ventura
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 13, 2003, 09:22:51 pm
Zylon: Sure you didn't pad that list? The proper one would read more like:

Dark City
Gattacca
Blade Runner
Alien/Aliens (same level as ID4, by the way, just seen through the rose-tinted lens of time)
Robocop (1/2)
12 Monkeys
Terminator 1/2 (1/2)
Planet of the Apes (for comedic value only)
Contact (maybe)


And Blade Runner shouldn't even be in there. Still more than I could think of, but really.:p

Also, you forgot Space Cowboys. It's pretty bad, but a Slim Pickens moment gains a movie an automatic 10 in any just and honest review system.:D
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Kamikaze on May 13, 2003, 09:27:31 pm
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Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]I'm actually a little annoyed that I've never heard of this film. Same as 'open your eyes' nobody in Ireland/UK would have seen it if it weren't for the existance of the poorer 'Vanilla sky'. :blah:
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http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/grave/ if you don't mind something that's incredibly sad, I recommend you watch it. It manages to be emotionally horid without using graphic violence or gruesome display...
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: ZylonBane on May 13, 2003, 11:13:03 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Zylon: Sure you didn't pad that list?
Quite the opposite. The challenge was not to list amazingly great SF movies, but rather ones that weren't as bad as ID4.
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Alien/Aliens (same level as ID4, by the way, just seen through the rose-tinted lens of time)
snort... Hardly. ID4 was decried as moronic from the moment of its release. Alien and Aliens were not. Much superior films that knew better than to spew meaningless technobabble.
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And Blade Runner shouldn't even be in there.
Oh, of course not. Wouldn't want to mistake Blade Runner for science fiction, now would we? :rolleyes:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 13, 2003, 11:15:59 pm
Eh, the technobabble's standard these days. I blame Star Trek for making it popular, it's in every cheesy movie.

Blade Runner is science fiction, it's just not very good. Mostly, I think I was pissed off that it got so heavily overrated, but it certainly wasn't a masterpiece any way you cut it.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: ZylonBane on May 13, 2003, 11:24:13 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Blade Runner is science fiction, it's just not very good.
You should put that in your sig. It would help people out a lot.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: YodaSean on May 14, 2003, 12:03:34 am
:wtf: I though bladerunner was a videogame...
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Turnsky on May 14, 2003, 12:04:52 am
a videogame based off the movie....:nod:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: ZylonBane on May 14, 2003, 12:13:05 am
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Originally posted by YodaSean
:wtf: I though bladerunner was a videogame...
I guess you don't have cable TV under that rock?
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 14, 2003, 12:13:59 am
Think someone pissed in Zylon's Cheerios again today.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stunaep on May 14, 2003, 01:10:39 am
I'm gonna mention "The Long Twilight Struggle" again. That was both dramatic and sad.
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Post by: Nico on May 14, 2003, 02:31:04 am
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
It was an action movie that seemed genuinely convinced that it was also a science fiction movie. And as science fiction, it was aneurysm-inducingly wretched.


smart ass.
they don't explain the singlest crap about tech or anything. there's battles, and ****, and the only technocrap I heard in that movie was the virus thing and the fact that cable engineers can triangulate people's position with their cellular phones.
you really love like *****ing for **** ain't ya?
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Post by: karajorma on May 14, 2003, 02:58:27 am
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Originally posted by Venom
smart ass.
they don't explain the singlest crap about tech or anything. there's battles, and ****, and the only technocrap I heard in that movie was the virus thing and the fact that cable engineers can triangulate people's position with their cellular phones.
you really love like *****ing for **** ain't ya?


I didn't mind ID4 but I'm under no illusion that large parts of it sucked. The science in it was also ridiculous.

The idea that the aliens could be taken down by a computer virus was a really good one. The idea that one person could come up with the virus in one night on an Apple Mac is beyond stupid.

The idea that aliens could travel across the galaxy to attack Earth is a staple of sci fi. The idea that they'd then need to hack into human satalites and reprogram them just so that they could tell the alien ships when to attack was the invention of a moron.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Splinter on May 14, 2003, 03:18:45 am
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Originally posted by Turnsky
Battlefield earth: i cried for the rental money i spent on it:p :ha:


ha! we actually BOUGHT the DVD of Dudley Do-right :rolleyes:  

anyway I think The Green Mile is good and sad
armageddon rox and is sad
deep impact sucks poo
independence day rox as well
and the only movie i ever really cried to was the Lion King :nervous: (I was very young when i saw it.)
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Post by: Nico on May 14, 2003, 03:35:46 am
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Originally posted by karajorma


I didn't mind ID4 but I'm under no illusion that large parts of it sucked. The science in it was also ridiculous.

The idea that the aliens could be taken down by a computer virus was a really good one. The idea that one person could come up with the virus in one night on an Apple Mac is beyond stupid.

The idea that aliens could travel across the galaxy to attack Earth is a staple of sci fi. The idea that they'd then need to hack into human satalites and reprogram them just so that they could tell the alien ships when to attack was the invention of a moron.


...
did you really watched the movie to learn about technology?
for my part, I went to see cities going boom and F18 raping flying saucers.
and to that regard the movie performed beyond expectation.
It's the only thing I expected from that movie, so -> ID4= great movie, to me. my own simple and stupid way of rating a movie. the most efficient one too. no mental masturbation about details nobody gives a **** about.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: kode on May 14, 2003, 03:47:26 am
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Originally posted by Turnsky
a videogame based off the movie....:nod:


based on a philip k dick novel
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Turnsky on May 14, 2003, 03:54:55 am
ah, yes, "do androids dream of electric sheep" wasn't it?
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Post by: Nico on May 14, 2003, 03:58:15 am
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Originally posted by Turnsky
ah, yes, "do androids dream of electric sheep" wasn't it?


yes, it was
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Ryx on May 14, 2003, 04:04:15 am
Requiem for a dream (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0180093). That's a depressing movie.

Schindler's List was sad too.

Question: Schindler's or The Pianist. Which is sadder?
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Post by: Sandwich on May 14, 2003, 04:08:38 am
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
...Forbidden Planet...


W007!!! Go Lesie Nielsen!! Robby the Robot Rox0rz uR B0x3rZ!!


:nervous:

Forbidden Planet was and is my mom's favorite movie, and she had me watch it when i was a very small child. Back then, the Monster of the ID freaked the living daylights out of me. Saw it a few times at that age.

Then when I saw it again at 16 or so, I was mentally prepared for a freaky movie.

I laughed.

And now that I've gotten past the "what in the world was I so scared of?" stage, I absolutely love this movie. :) I wish more modern movies came close to the quality level of this one, without having to rely on action scenes and things going boom.... not that those are bad per se, but directors think that they can replace story  with explosions and all will be well. Poo-bah!
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Post by: karajorma on May 14, 2003, 05:45:13 am
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Originally posted by Venom
...
did you really watched the movie to learn about technology?
for my part, I went to see cities going boom and F18 raping flying saucers.
and to that regard the movie performed beyond expectation.
It's the only thing I expected from that movie, so -> ID4= great movie, to me. my own simple and stupid way of rating a movie. the most efficient one too. no mental masturbation about details nobody gives a **** about.


I did say I didn't mind the film. The action was in general done fairly well. The bits that weren't action on the other hand were just plain stupid.
 It is possible to do an action movie where the plot isn't a steaming pile of ****e. Look at Aliens or the Terminator films for perfect examples of that.

The stupidity of the plotline shows that the writers didn't care enough about their movie to write something better. If they didn't care why should I?

 As for what to expect from the movie I expected more that just action. It claimed to be a Sci-fi movie and I suppose in a way it was. All the science was fictional.

If all you want to see is people blowing things up then any fool can write a movie you'd like. To be honest you'd be better off playing a computer game. A movie should have a plot that makes sense.
  Ask yourself this. In 40 years time when special effects have improved enough that those in ID4 are somewhat laughable will anyone still think it's a great movie?
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Post by: Nico on May 14, 2003, 07:58:10 am
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Originally posted by karajorma


1)I did say I didn't mind the film. The action was in general done fairly well. The bits that weren't action on the other hand were just plain stupid.
 It is possible to do an action movie where the plot isn't a steaming pile of ****e. Look at Aliens or the Terminator films for perfect examples of that.

2)=The stupidity of the plotline shows that the writers didn't care enough about their movie to write something better. If they didn't care why should I?

3) As for what to expect from the movie I expected more that just action. It claimed to be a Sci-fi movie and I suppose in a way it was. All the science was fictional.

4)If all you want to see is people blowing things up then any fool can write a movie you'd like. To be honest you'd be better off playing a computer game. A movie should have a plot that makes sense.
5) Ask yourself this. In 40 years time when special effects have improved enough that those in ID4 are somewhat laughable will anyone still think it's a great movie?


1) no gonna argue about that, but I think terminator's plot is plain as hell, and ful of plot holes ( and T2 is more a remake than a sequel, that won't help ). and always I vow a real cult to the alien series, I don't see anything mindbreaking in the plot either. a monster kills people, then more monsters kills more people.

2) considering it's an alien invasion movie, well, the plot was... her... well, who needed a plot?

3) well, what's your definition of science fivtion? for me, it means it shows fictional science ( heh ), so science which DOES NOT exist. it's quite retarded to try and give sense to something that doesn't exists. what about star wars? SW technobable is amongst the worst I've ever seen, yet nobody complains. people are biaised.

4) no, I said I wanted to see ID4 for that, I didn't say I liked only movies like that. It'zs your right to think I'm a retard, but don't put words I haven't said in my mouth, will ya?

5) I can judge by myslelf of the level of special effects, and I can tell you that even in 100 years the effects in ID4 won't be more laughable than the jurassic park ones. of course there's ****ty scenes in ID4 ( the B2 flyby, huh! ), but other than that it's pretty perfect.
voila, I can't believe I'm actually standing for ID4 :lol:
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Post by: karajorma on May 14, 2003, 09:00:29 am
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Originally posted by Venom
1) no gonna argue about that, but I think terminator's plot is plain as hell, and ful of plot holes ( and T2 is more a remake than a sequel, that won't help ). and always I vow a real cult to the alien series, I don't see anything mindbreaking in the plot either. a monster kills people, then more monsters kills more people.


I'm not saying that either plot was mindblowingly original. Just that none of those 3 films took every chance they had to insult your intelligence.

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Originally posted by Venom
2) considering it's an alien invasion movie, well, the plot was... her... well, who needed a plot?


I did. Maybe it's cause I loved War of the Worlds and thought that this was just an expensive knock off. Seriously though if the movie doesn't have a plot why make a movie at all? Why not just make a special effects demo reel and let people watch that instead? The whole point of making a movie is for it to tell a story.


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Originally posted by Venom
3) well, what's your definition of science fivtion? for me, it means it shows fictional science ( heh ), so science which DOES NOT exist. it's quite retarded to try and give sense to something that doesn't exists. what about star wars? SW technobable is amongst the worst I've ever seen, yet nobody complains. people are biaised.


Let me put it this way. If instead of Jeff Goldbloom uploading the virus he'd have got out of the ship and fought the aliens in 1 on 1 Mortal Kombat it would have made about as much sense.
 Science fiction doesn't mean that you make it up as you go along! It mearly means you define a set of rules and stick to them during the movie.
 Had Jeff Goldboom's character been shown to be some kind of amazing technical wizard able to bash out 20,000 lines of working code a day I might have believed it.
 Instead although he is an educated man he isn't that high up on the curve, he's not much brighter than any other talented scientist. Yet all of a sudden he's able to singlehandedly write a virus that can disable all the enemy ships.
 The saddest thing is that they could have very easily made the idea work without it looking stupid. There was a whole huge base full of scientists and computer programmers that could have made the virus but the lazy writing insisted on having Jeff do it all himself just so that we could have more shocked faces for the scene where they shoot at the coke can.

The reason why I don't have a go at Star Wars is that even though it's rules may not make scientific sense they are fairly consistant.

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Originally posted by Venom
4) no, I said I wanted to see ID4 for that, I didn't say I liked only movies like that. It'zs your right to think I'm a retard, but don't put words I haven't said in my mouth, will ya?


Quite the reverse actually. I never actually said that you only liked movies like that either. What I was in fact aiming at was that if today you feel like you just want to see stuff blow up a game is probably a better way to spend your time. You'll get to see more stuff blow up and will also get the satisfaction of doing it yourself.

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Originally posted by Venom
5) I can judge by myslelf of the level of special effects, and I can tell you that even in 100 years the effects in ID4 won't be more laughable than the jurassic park ones. of course there's ****ty scenes in ID4 ( the B2 flyby, huh! ), but other than that it's pretty perfect.
voila, I can't believe I'm actually standing for ID4 :lol:


Yeah. They said that about Tron when it came out too :D
 Jurrasic Park might not have better special effects but my point is that it has a plot. So in 40 years time people will be willing to put up with bad special effects for the plot. However in 40 years time there will have been plenty of movies about alien invasions with even better special effects so who's gonna want to watch ID4?
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Post by: Martinus on May 14, 2003, 09:41:39 am
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Originally posted by Kamikaze


http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/grave/ if you don't mind something that's incredibly sad, I recommend you watch it. It manages to be emotionally horid without using graphic violence or gruesome display...

[color=66ff00]Cheers, though the only source I can find for it is in the US. :doubt:
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Post by: ZylonBane on May 14, 2003, 12:28:23 pm
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Originally posted by Venom
did you really watched the movie to learn about technology?
for my part, I went to see cities going boom and F18 raping flying saucers.
Yeah... Air Force F-18s. :rolleyes:

I don't have any problem with fun explosion-filled romps, as long as they're honest about what they're trying to do. Men In Black was a great film because of this. ID4, OTOH, seems to have been an experiment in creating "science fiction" that would appeal to (and not go over the heads of) the Tom Green/Adam Sandler demographic.

Oh and BTW, isn't it funny how absolutely none of the downed saucers at the end of ID4 landed on top of the cities they were about to blast?
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Post by: tEAbAG on May 14, 2003, 12:48:16 pm
Actually they were Marine F/A-18s.

The saddest moment in movie history was at the end of Homegrown where they burned all that pot:(
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Post by: an0n on May 14, 2003, 01:06:22 pm
You're all morons.........YodaSean, moreso than most.
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Post by: ZylonBane on May 14, 2003, 02:03:00 pm
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Originally posted by tEAbAG
Actually they were Marine F/A-18s.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.

In the movie they were portrayed as Air Force jets. There are not and have never been F-18s in the Air Force inventory.
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Post by: Grey Wolf on May 14, 2003, 05:05:30 pm
This is back to a topic on the first page, but you do know that Jean does die eventually. Or did die eventually, in the 1980s storyline. Damn, what was that miniseries..... Vision and the Scarlet Witch! That was it! Her ghost was in the one I read. It was this one:
(http://steveenglehart.com/Comics/Comics%20Images/Vision%20%26%20Scarlet%20Witch%205.jpg)
See the one with the red hair near the lower right hand corner?
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Post by: Ace on May 14, 2003, 05:17:47 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich


W007!!! Go Lesie Nielsen!! Robby the Robot Rox0rz uR B0x3rZ!!


:nervous:

Forbidden Planet was and is my mom's favorite movie, and she had me watch it when i was a very small child. Back then, the Monster of the ID freaked the living daylights out of me. Saw it a few times at that age.

Then when I saw it again at 16 or so, I was mentally prepared for a freaky movie.

I laughed.

And now that I've gotten past the "what in the world was I so scared of?" stage, I absolutely love this movie. :) I wish more modern movies came close to the quality level of this one, without having to rely on action scenes and things going boom.... not that those are bad per se, but directors think that they can replace story  with explosions and all will be well. Poo-bah!


Yays!

Plus the Day the Earth Stood Still isn't half bad either... and 2001, yes HAL ;)

"I'm sorry Dave, I cannot do that."
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stunaep on May 14, 2003, 11:24:03 pm
Get your quotes right, Ace :p

"I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I cannot do that."
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Post by: Nico on May 15, 2003, 02:07:28 am
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Originally posted by karajorma


I'm not saying that either plot was mindblowingly original. Just that none of those 3 films took every chance they had to insult your intelligence.

I did. Maybe it's cause I loved War of the Worlds and thought that this was just an expensive knock off. Seriously though if the movie doesn't have a plot why make a movie at all? Why not just make a special effects demo reel and let people watch that instead? The whole point of making a movie is for it to tell a story.

Let me put it this way. If instead of Jeff Goldbloom uploading the virus he'd have got out of the ship and fought the aliens in 1 on 1 Mortal Kombat it would have made about as much sense.
 Science fiction doesn't mean that you make it up as you go along! It mearly means you define a set of rules and stick to them during the movie.
 Had Jeff Goldboom's character been shown to be some kind of amazing technical wizard able to bash out 20,000 lines of working code a day I might have believed it.
 Instead although he is an educated man he isn't that high up on the curve, he's not much brighter than any other talented scientist. Yet all of a sudden he's able to singlehandedly write a virus that can disable all the enemy ships.
 The saddest thing is that they could have very easily made the idea work without it looking stupid. There was a whole huge base full of scientists and computer programmers that could have made the virus but the lazy writing insisted on having Jeff do it all himself just so that we could have more shocked faces for the scene where they shoot at the coke can.

The reason why I don't have a go at Star Wars is that even though it's rules may not make scientific sense they are fairly consistant.

Quite the reverse actually. I never actually said that you only liked movies like that either. What I was in fact aiming at was that if today you feel like you just want to see stuff blow up a game is probably a better way to spend your time. You'll get to see more stuff blow up and will also get the satisfaction of doing it yourself.

Yeah. They said that about Tron when it came out too :D
 Jurrasic Park might not have better special effects but my point is that it has a plot. So in 40 years time people will be willing to put up with bad special effects for the plot. However in 40 years time there will have been plenty of movies about alien invasions with even better special effects so who's gonna want to watch ID4?


oh well, whatever.

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if today you feel like you just want to see stuff blow up a game is probably a better way to spend your time. You'll get to see more stuff blow up and will also get the satisfaction of doing it yourself


you're quite underestimating my current state of lazyness :p
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: J.F.K. on May 15, 2003, 03:42:40 am
Pretty sappy, but the end of City of Angels is pretty sad. :sigh:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: tEAbAG on May 15, 2003, 02:00:27 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Thank you, Captain Obvious.

In the movie they were portrayed as Air Force jets. There are not and have never been F-18s in the Air Force inventory.


Nope, in the movie Will Smith was a Marine.

(sad to say that I remember such details form that POS)
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Martinus on May 15, 2003, 02:03:31 pm
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Originally posted by tEAbAG


Nope, in the movie Will Smith was a Marine.

(sad to say that I remember such details form that POS)

[color=66ff00]Y'know in the grand scheme of things this fact is even more insignificant than most anything else.

Please stop this 'I'm right and you're wrong' mentality people, it is pretty childish.
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Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Dark_4ce on May 15, 2003, 02:38:33 pm
Sad endings.... Hmmm...

OLD YELLER- When he gets his brains blown out. That was sad.

GENERIC 50's-60's DISNEY MOVIES- Where they always shoot or kill the pet in the end.

ARMAGEDDON- Bruce's little speech was quite moving imho as well as when the pilot shakes Liv's hand (dunno why really. Just very moving).

ROAD TO PERDITION- You knew something was up, but you were hoping that nothing would happen. Then BANG.

SCHINDLER'S LIST- Enough said.

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon- It was moving, if not a bit odd.

Braveheart- "FreeEEEDOOOM!! *thunk*" Man, it was hard trying to keep the tears in as my gf was wailing her head off next to me at the theater when we watched it. When they played the main theme as the axe went down, I can swear that almost every single person in the theater were weeping openly. :( *sniff*

Can't think of anything more right now.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 15, 2003, 03:10:29 pm
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Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]Y'know in the grand scheme of things this fact is even more insignificant than most anything else.[/color]


When the End Times come and the Lord separates us true faithful from the mass who turned away from the light of ID4 and hold hate in their hearts, then it won't seem so insignificant.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: YodaSean on May 15, 2003, 05:46:21 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
I guess you don't have cable TV under that rock?


yeah but I never saw any bladerunners on.  I hardly ever watch it, nothing good comes on.  There might be good stuff on sometimes, now that I think about it, but I'm pretty bad at TV so I can't ever find anything
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Turnsky on May 15, 2003, 06:13:48 pm
it's called a video shop my friend, you can rent cassetes and dvd's in them:p :rolleyes:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 15, 2003, 06:44:01 pm
Bit of a question: Did they portray the execution of William Wallace correctly? Hanging, disembowlment, quartering, and beheading?
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Turnsky on May 15, 2003, 06:47:27 pm
i hope you're not asking me......

asking an aussie about SCOTTISH history? it's unheard of :lol: :ha:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Nico on May 16, 2003, 01:51:18 am
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Bit of a question: Did they portray the execution of William Wallace correctly? Hanging, disembowlment, quartering, and beheading?


... I think the rating of the movie should be a good enough answer to you?
to be precise: they do nasty things to him by the sound of it, but as you can't see... ( you get to judge by the reaction of the crowd looking at the "show" .)
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Liberator on May 16, 2003, 02:14:00 am
FS pays homage to Forbidden Planet, if you'll remember.  FP takes place on Altair 4 which was the home to a supremely advanced alien race.  The Vasudan archaeologists find the answer of how to defeat the Shivans in the Altair system in the ruins of a supremely advanced alien race.

On topic, the saddest moment that I have seen in the somewhat limited movie selection that I can bring into my parents house...almost the entirety of SW: EpII.  The sabre fights at the end are pretty good and while the Yoda/Tyrannus fight at the end is the purpose of the whole movies, everything without Darth Winer is pretty good.  George is going to have to pull a superstardestroyer out of his ass to save the franchise.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Sandwich on May 16, 2003, 04:11:45 am
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Originally posted by Liberator
FS pays homage to Forbidden Planet, if you'll remember.  FP takes place on Altair 4 which was the home to a supremely advanced alien race.  The Vasudan archaeologists find the answer of how to defeat the Shivans in the Altair system in the ruins of a supremely advanced alien race.


Heh - never noticed that... w007! ;7
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: J.F.K. on May 16, 2003, 04:18:08 am
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
SCHINDLER'S LIST- Enough said.


Ack, Holocaust movies depress me. I have to study them in modern history at school. :sigh:
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Sandwich on May 16, 2003, 06:34:37 am
I was in high-school when Schindler's List came out... they took the whole 10th, 11th and 12th grades up to the Jerusalem Theater (right up the hill from school) to see the movie. Immediately after that, an old guy gets on stage. His name was Itzhak Stern. :eek: :o
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Martinus on May 16, 2003, 06:43:07 am
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Originally posted by Liberator
FS pays homage to Forbidden Planet, if you'll remember.  FP takes place on Altair 4 which was the home to a supremely advanced alien race.  The Vasudan archaeologists find the answer of how to defeat the Shivans in the Altair system in the ruins of a supremely advanced alien race.


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Originally posted by Sandwich


Heh - never noticed that... w007! ;7

[color=66ff00]Me neither! Well spotted, that's nerdiness at it's best. :)

Reminds me of Homeworld, one of the levels is called 'Tenhauser gate' or something similar, a reference to Bladerunner.
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Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: karajorma on May 16, 2003, 09:33:15 am
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Bit of a question: Did they portray the execution of William Wallace correctly? Hanging, disembowlment, quartering, and beheading?


That bit was correct but I believe William Wallace was actually a noble in real life rather than a commoner as portrayed in the movies. Oh and the bit about the Princess of Wales is a load of crap as she apparently didn't even get married to the prince until long after William was dead :)
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: tEAbAG on May 16, 2003, 12:13:28 pm
Am I the only one who thought Armageddon blew chuncks?
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 16, 2003, 12:16:11 pm
Refues to watch it, I'm sick of these Good-old-U-S-of-A-singlehandedly-saves-the-world films.

anyway, have any of you ever seen Life is Beautiful?
It is a film I find quite disturbing, as it starts as a comedy, but is set in the Holocaust, and remains fairly comedic throughout. It is also Italian, and so is subtitled.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Nico on May 16, 2003, 01:46:49 pm
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Refues to watch it, I'm sick of these Good-old-U-S-of-A-singlehandedly-saves-the-world films.


actually, w/o the russian dude, everybody would be dead :p
and to top that, he's the only interesting character of the movie :p
(gotta love his joke about space shuttle components and Taiwan :D )
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: an0n on May 16, 2003, 01:56:29 pm
Leon
Varsity Blues
Cruel Intentions
Who Killed Roger Rabbit
Man On The Moon
Sleepers
Stand By Me

Anyone disagrees, they can kiss my ass.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 16, 2003, 03:14:13 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich
I was in high-school when Schindler's List came out... they took the whole 10th, 11th and 12th grades up to the Jerusalem Theater (right up the hill from school) to see the movie. Immediately after that, an old guy gets on stage. His name was Itzhak Stern. :eek: :o
They had us see that movie in school about a month or two ago. Really impressive, even if I did not get some of the scenes (specifically the one where it kept flashing back and forth between the wedding, Schindler, and the beating).
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Sandwich on May 16, 2003, 04:19:10 pm
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Refues to watch it, I'm sick of these Good-old-U-S-of-A-singlehandedly-saves-the-world films.


:rolleyes: You just proved you never saw it, since it was the air forces of the world uniting together in an incredible show of humanity that struck the final blows, not just the US. I recall quite vividly the whole theater erupting into cheers and applause when they flashed the pic of the Israeli F-16 on screen. :p
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 16, 2003, 04:24:40 pm
The Russian guy was the only bright spot in that movie.

"Russian truck, American truck, who cares! All made in China!"


Er... Rambo?:D

Personally, I cried when Jason got waxed at the end of Friday the 13th. Then he came back! And again! And again!
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Nico on May 16, 2003, 04:34:07 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich


:rolleyes: You just proved you never saw it, since it was the air forces of the world uniting together in an incredible show of humanity that struck the final blows, not just the US. I recall quite vividly the whole theater erupting into cheers and applause when they flashed the pic of the Israeli F-16 on screen. :p


he was talking about armageddon methinks ;) ( and therefore is about right ).
and yeah, I noticed the F16 too :D ( and the... funny... remark about possible reinforcement :p )
I was more happy seeing the mig25 tho.
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Sandwich on May 16, 2003, 04:47:02 pm
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Originally posted by Venom


he was talking about armageddon methinks ;) ( and therefore is about right ).
and yeah, I noticed the F16 too :D ( and the... funny... remark about possible reinforcement :p )
I was more happy seeing the mig25 tho.


Gah, my bad I guess... got those 2 movies confused. :p
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: karajorma on May 16, 2003, 06:26:46 pm
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Originally posted by an0n
Cruel Intentions


Good film but Dangerous Liasons was better :)
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: YodaSean on May 18, 2003, 08:31:13 pm
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Originally posted by Turnsky
it's called a video shop my friend, you can rent cassetes and dvd's in them:p :rolleyes:


How can I got to a video rental to rent a movie I don't know exists? ;)
Title: The saddest moments in cinema
Post by: Turnsky on May 18, 2003, 10:34:44 pm
hmmm.  you DO have eyes don't you?
Title: Just passin' through with my picks
Post by: Black_Knight on May 19, 2003, 03:07:50 pm
While these went tear-jerkers to me, I found them pretty sad and left me with an empty feeling for a few days...

Star Trek II (when Spock dies - I was young and not much of trek fan, but it still saddened me to see that back in the day)

The Sixth Sense  (I knew about halfway through the movie what was up, but still was sad when they confirmed it for me)

Glad Dark_4ce mentioned Braveheart - dunno how this thread went as long as it did without that being noted.

The Green Mile - great bit of writing from a usual horror-thriller guy

Aside from Leonardo DeCaprio, Titanic was sad, even though we all knew the boat sank at the end.  :P  Seeing Leoboy slip down into the deep blue actually made me feel better though.  Go figure.


I had one more in my head but as of writing this, it eludes me.  I probably will post it later when my brain fart fades... :mad:


EDIT:  haha - I just noticed my 'registered' date with this message board.  2 total posts in 33 1/2 years.  (My first post was 2 years before my birth oddly enough...)  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Just passin' through with my picks
Post by: Sandwich on May 21, 2003, 05:45:13 pm
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Originally posted by Black_Knight
EDIT:  haha - I just noticed my 'registered' date with this message board.  2 total posts in 33 1/2 years.  (My first post was 2 years before my birth oddly enough...)  :rolleyes:


Fixed.... I think. ;)