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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Razor on May 14, 2003, 01:56:20 pm
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(http://www.fattonys.com/images/upload/bushbook.jpg)
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[color=66ff00]Just because he makes repeated, remarkable blunders you guys think he's incompetent.
What's with that?!?
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Correction. We don't think...we know. And please don't take that deffending stand. We all know you posted that pic with binoculars so shuuush. :p
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It's Photoshopped. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Razor
Correction. We don't think...we know. And please don't take that deffending stand. We all know you posted that pic with binoculars so shuuush. :p
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:lol: I gotta start putting [sarcasm] in appropriate posts, I guess you can't use the correct tone when you're posting...
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Originally posted by Sandwich
It's Photoshopped. :rolleyes:
So what? :p It's still funny. :p :p And the Gulf Wars? Wow...:eek: That was real eh? ;)
I gotta start putting [sarcasm] in appropriate posts, I guess you can't use the correct tone when you're posting...
Yes...:rolleyes: I guess you have to. sarcasm is very difficult to figure when it's written. :nod:
But hey, you're not the only one who is taken seriously. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
It's Photoshopped. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Maeg: [sarcasm]
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Meh - you edited your post after I requoted mine to make sure that you saw it. :p
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You know the binoculars were nightvision and he was using them correctly.
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Oh for....... Do you know how old this is? :rolleyes:
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Sandwich: No, it isn't. It's quite old, I'm surprised you haven't heard the backstory already. An aide handed it to him upside down when he was posing for that shot, and they figured it out a minute later.
Razor: Innit funny how bad jokes become even less funny after being told a few thousand times? Well, no, it isn't, which is precisely the point.;)
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Exactly. Now someone close this before a massive flame war breaks out like pimples on a teenager. :rolleyes:
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[color=66ff00]Yeah GW jokes are so...
5 months ago.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Sandwich: No, it isn't. It's quite old, I'm surprised you haven't heard the backstory already. An aide handed it to him upside down when he was posing for that shot, and they figured it out a minute later.
Wrong-o. Look again:
Originally posted by Razor
(http://www.fattonys.com/images/upload/bushbook.jpg)
Here:
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Good. Now that we have that settled...
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Anyone know the story behind this (or something very much like this)
He was at an elementary school giving a speech to the kids or reading with them or whatever, then one of the secret service (or whoever) guys walks up to him very casually and whispers to him that a plane just crashed into the WTC. He continues to read calmly until the secret service guy walks up to him again and tells him that a second plane just crashed into the WTC centres. There is a video (presumably taken by the teacher to comemoratre the President coming to their school) and the times are clearly shown. It is only a while after the second crash that he casually gets up, waves goodbye to the kids and walks out.
Interesting, no?
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'cause of course two major buildings being attacked by terroists is a lot less important than kids who can read! right!? :rolleyes:
either the president is incredibly dumb or it was set up.
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this is older than dirt...
Razor: Stop bringing up stupid **** about your dislike for the US. Nobody cares and it's annoying anyways. Not to mention the same picture I've seen here at least twice.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
stupid ****
Dubya?
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Wrong-o. Look again:
Remind me to never PhotoShop anything when you're around. :)
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
'cause of course two major buildings being attacked by terroists is a lot less important than kids who can read! right!? :rolleyes:
either the president is incredibly dumb or it was set up.
It's called prioritizing. There was absolutely nothing he could have accomplished by getting up and leaving suddenly and with no apparent reason. And after the first plane crash nobody knew whether it was an accident or not.
Besides, wasn't he down in Florida at the time visiting with his brother Jeb Bush, the governor?
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Razor: Stop bringing up stupid **** about your dislike for the US.
Me disliking US? It's a lie! A lie I tell ya! :D
Oh and by the way, wasn't that pic made by Americans? :wtf:
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There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
America, Amreica god shed his grace on thee, and crown thy good with...:sigh:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Razor: Stop bringing up stupid **** about your dislike for the US. Nobody cares and it's annoying anyways.
Hey, if I'm not allowed to flame him for being a little tit than neither are you
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No, we'll just let one American make a lame joke with allegations of ineptitute about Yugoslavia.
:ha:
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I like the US. I hate US external politics....
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Originally posted by TrashMan
I hate US external politics....
Do you think anyone likes a nation that is threatening the whole world with it's weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical, biological weapons)? Oh and they say NK and Iraq are threats. :rolleyes:
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Now they are threatening Croatia to sign that paper that says that we will not give american cityzens (tht are on Croatian territory and are acussed of crimes) over to the International court...
High and mighty americans..above the law...:hopping:
If we don't sign we don't get the 15mil of ex-YU money that weas taken from Craotia years ago.... WE DON'T GET OUR OWN MONEY!
Next you know they'll call us "terrorists" and march in to "stop the terror"..... Bah.....
Note: (Afganistan intervention - o.k., Saddam was a madman..BUT...)
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Now they are threatening Croatia to sign that paper that says that we will not give american cityzens (tht are on Croatian territory and are acussed of crimes) over to the International court...
High and mighty americans..above the law...:hopping:
If we don't sign we don't get the 15mil of ex-YU money that weas taken from Craotia years ago.... WE DON'T GET OUR OWN MONEY!
Next you know they'll call us "terrorists" and march in to "stop the terror"..... Bah.....
Note: (Afganistan intervention - o.k., Saddam was a madman..BUT...)
Of course. Every country that opposes America's fascism is a terrorist country. Now lets see, France and germany opposed America, it's just a matter of time before Bush (or who ever takes his place) accuses F&G for their crimes or what so ever. Yep the Western alliance is totally falling appart, :) but meh :p ...as they say all "good" things must come to an end. :nod: :D
And you will give americans over to the international court. Let the world see their faces clearly when they are in the court and judged as every other citizen on this planet would. It is clear that they are war criminals and all war criminals should face the court. :nod: And don't worry. They can't blackmail you in any way. They wouldn't dare because they don't have good enough arguments. Even if they do, they would look stupid in the eyes of other nations and of course, if they would attack you no-one would join them so therefore they would loose the fight. :D In this situation, you are holding the playing cards, not amers. ;)
OBL is a mad man. Even I agree with that, but since the GW, sadam didn't do anything to threaten amers.
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Originally posted by Razor
Of course. Every country that opposes America's fascism is a terrorist country. Now lets see, France and germany opposed America, it's just a matter of time before Bush (or who ever takes his place) accuses F&G for their crimes or what so ever.
well, actually, the antifrench dude, there, don't remember the name, the one responsible for foreign policies, he said that french would have to pay for this.
then they figured this might have been a very bad idea, and they stepped back (heh, right now, the dollar is down the drain, that would have been the greatest idea ever :rolleyes: ).
I don't care much about all that, but the whole reaction of the US about french position about the irak war was just... childish.
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US foreign policy is it's greatest strength in the 'traditional' sense - merciless and uncompromising (or so it seems from my POV). But that of course breeds hatred in those punished by it (at one stage or another, almost everyone). If they hadn't taken a stance, I think they would have been viewed as weak by all others... it's a paradox, no human systems really work thoroughly well. :sigh:
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Originally posted by J.F.K.
US foreign policy is it's greatest strength in the 'traditional' sense - merciless and uncompromising (or so it seems from my POV). But that of course breeds hatred in those punished by it (at one stage or another, almost everyone). If they hadn't taken a stance, I think they would have been viewed as weak by all others... it's a paradox, no human systems really work thoroughly well. :sigh:
well, backing off like that is what makes you look weak. they said that, would have been best for them to do something.
their loss
mighty us :D
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Of course the hatred grows. And now americans wounder: Why does the whole world hate us? What have we done?
What did they think? That they can do to whosoever what ever they like and be loved? :lol: Hey, people are not sheep. But, it's just a matter of time before things go downhill for the US :D And I don't really care if Bush or Clinton get away with their crimes and and don't go on court. They will be punnished sooner or later and it would be a much much greater punishment than the punishment of any world court.
Just a week ago, I heard some dumb ass saying that America is a religios country and that Bushes texts are "religios". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ( I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair and still kept laughing. Funny, I don't think I was hurt. ) Oh yeah, Irony and cynicism at it's best. Now I am asking my self. If they are religious, why do amers kill millions and probably billions around the world when one of God commands: One MUST not kill.
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Originally posted by J.F.K.
US foreign policy is it's greatest strength in the 'traditional' sense - merciless and uncompromising (or so it seems from my POV). But that of course breeds hatred in those punished by it (at one stage or another, almost everyone). If they hadn't taken a stance, I think they would have been viewed as weak by all others... it's a paradox, no human systems really work thoroughly well. :sigh:
That's a mindset that prevails in the Arab world, something that the West is only beginning to realize recently - at least, the governments are only beginning to realize it recently.
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How much are you willing to be the Visigoths sat around their fires *****ing about those damn Roman catapults and how those pushy bastards kept going further north.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
That's a mindset that prevails in the Arab world, something that the West is only beginning to realize recently - at least, the governments are only beginning to realize it recently.
Yeah... I really don't know why I didn't see it earlier. I personally think that Australia'll be bitten back by US foreign policy soon enough - which makes me genuinely sad, but it makes me more angry than sad. :hopping: Humanity's been constantly failing for thousands of years... I guess that's one of the reasons I'm a Christian, somehow I know the answer has to lie beyond ourselves.
Well, that's my take on the state of mankind, anyway. :)
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Originally posted by Shrike
How much are you willing to be the Visigoths sat around their fires *****ing about those damn Roman catapults and how those pushy bastards kept going further north.
It's the end of a long week. I've been sick, and still have a cough. My brain is virtually dead. Mind drawing the parallel in obvious terms for me? :D
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Originally posted by Razor
Of course the hatred grows. And now americans wounder: Why does the whole world hate us? What have we done?
What did they think? That they can do to whosoever what ever they like and be loved?
No, most americans wonder why people always hate them when they have no control over what's going on in Washington.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
It's the end of a long week. I've been sick, and still have a cough. My brain is virtually dead. Mind drawing the parallel in obvious terms for me? :D
The 'barbarian' Visigoths eventually destroyed the Roman Empire. Do the analogy.
Anyway, I'd just like to remind certain people that DaveB doesn't post at HLP anymore because of the anti-US *****ing. The 'we love your game, but our culture requires us to hate you' attitude must have gotten to him. Please just bear that in mind when bashing the States.
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Sorry guys, but you'd all be slaving away under a real facist state if it wasn't for the Americans. I'd be the first to say that America has got quite a few problems, but this almost irrational bashing has got to stop. You like that computer of yours? How 'bout your television or your freedom of speach? For most of the world, like it or not, american intervention brings progress.
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Ahh, but do we really have freedom of speech?
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Not really thanks to this political correctness bull****, but moreso than most.
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PC Bull****?
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Originally posted by Shrike
No, we'll just let one American make a lame joke with allegations of ineptitute about Yugoslavia.
:ha:
(http://www.ak-miramare.hr/baca/vslike/slike1/68.jpg)
Nuff said.:lol:
(sry had to do it)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
The 'barbarian' Visigoths eventually destroyed the Roman Empire. Do the analogy.
No actually, the point is that people hate whoever's on top. It's just human nature.
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Hey, my history is accurate. Your analogies are hazy. Therfore I am win.
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Originally posted by Shrike
No actually, the point is that people hate whoever's on top. It's just human nature.
actually, it's just the romans went north, barbarians went west, they met, and the barbarians were stronger :p
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Originally posted by tEAbAG
Sorry guys, but you'd all be slaving away under a real facist state if it wasn't for the Americans.
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Nope. Sorry. Try again. (hint: the answer involves Russia, and the fact that they were practically storming the gates of Berlin around the time the Merkins were futzing around the French countryside)
I'd be the first to say that America has got quite a few problems, but this almost irrational bashing has got to stop.
No you wouldn't. And how is it "irrational"?
Nobody here is going off on some rant about how "UsA Iz teh SUXXORZ!" or anything, they've mostly got legitimate gripes. Quite good ones, considering the current situation. Don't like it? Go start a pro-US thread, don't tell people to shut up about their own opinions.
You like that computer of yours? How 'bout your television or your freedom of speach? For most of the world, like it or not, american intervention brings progress.
Freedom of speech, and all that comes with it, were pioneered by French philosophers. A handful of what amounted to the landed aristocracy in the colonies decided it sounded like a pretty good idea to get the support of the masses (whose only real gripe was that they didn't want to pay taxes for military support; all around they resembled the modern-day Freemen), and America was born. However, the people of America have never been big fans of freedom of speech, equality under the law, or much of any of those other damn hippie sentiments, and we have a government that unfortunately reflects the desires of the people. If you look into US history, we've been far less supportive of the whole concept of free elections, speech, or rights for all than, say, most of Europe, the democratic South American and African nations we overthrew and installed dictatorships in, or our slightly chilly neighbor to the north. America was Hitler's second biggest fan before Pearl Harbor (Austria came first, and then they stopped counting in short order); we've almsot always opted for wiretapping, arrests without warrant, and stringing up dissidents; and we've historically done just about everything we can to be sure that no third-world nation gets a government that's representative so much of its own people as our own Machiavellian aims.
Don't make silly claims, at least unless you note that you don't expect them to be taken and responded to seriously. It's so tiresome.
As for computers, etc.- so? The first weapons and tools were invented in one of those little poverty-stricken East African nations, by all rights you should be thanking, say, Somalia every time you use any equipment at all.
Bleeding ingrate, how dare you criticise the Ethiopian warlords! Without them, you wouldn't have the Wheel!
Shrike: True, and it's often unfair. But who do you blame but the guy who's in charge? If you're in a bus and it runs over a fire hydrant, are you more likely to blame the driver or the little old lady towards the back? If a corporation collapses, do you blame the CEO who's stuffing his pockets, or the janitor? For all you know, ol' Jim-Bob's been stealing corporate secrets from your manager's desk and selling them every night after he mops the floor, but the likelihood is more that something ****ed up higher in the chain.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Ahh, but do we really have freedom of speech?
Australia doesn't actually have freedom of speech in its constitution. They can shut us up all they want... realistically, though, we currently have quite a lot of freedom.
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Originally posted by tEAbAG
Sorry guys, but you'd all be slaving away under a real facist state if it wasn't for the Americans. I'd be the first to say that America has got quite a few problems, but this almost irrational bashing has got to stop. You like that computer of yours? How 'bout your television or your freedom of speach? For most of the world, like it or not, american intervention brings progress.
I can't argue with that. :yes: For what its worth, I do appreciate America's contribution in that. Australia particularly owes America for their victory in the Pacific. I just wish I could reconcile that with the 'bad side' they seem to be putting out to places like the Arab world.
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"Nope. Sorry. Try again. (hint: the answer involves Russia, and the fact that they were practically storming the gates of Berlin around the time the Merkins were futzing around the French countryside)"
and it's a good thing they wern't at all facist state trying to take over the world too, but rather a benevolent society were peoples freedoms and belefs were alowed to flurish without fear of the government cracking down on them.
too bad we beat them isn't it.
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No you wouldn't. And how is it "irrational"?
Nobody here is going off on some rant about how "UsA Iz teh SUXXORZ!" or anything, they've mostly got legitimate gripes. Quite good ones, considering the current situation. Don't like it? Go start a pro-US thread, don't tell people to shut up about their own opinions.
Because it does not stand up to any scrutiny. All of the arguments (or rather, attempts at them) in this thread have been addressed before many times, most recently in that big Iraq thread but also elsewhere. I have not seen a single legitimate argument against the US around this place and this thread has some of the worst even for the standards here because they have all already been dealt with before. And of course, we got two more of those incoherent Razor posts that always give me a laugh every time I read them. :D
You seemed to go off on a rant about the US supporting dictators; well, of course they do, as any government with some sense would do when it is in its interests to do so. What kind of fool government will determine its support of some regime only based on whether or not it is democratic?
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thanks guys! I came up with a comeback after reading page two, but I clikck three and there it is!:yes:
I do want to hit on two more things though:
we've been far less supportive of the whole concept of free elections, speech, or rights for all than, say, most of Europe
And I suppose the entire third world that had to fight for their independence (from France, GB, and the like) would agree? Not saying that the US hasn't been involved stuff like this, but we are definently not the worst offender.
America was Hitler's second biggest fan before Pearl Harbor
:wtf: I don't think so concidering in the 1930's the US had a germany first agreement with GB incase of war with the axis.
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Originally posted by tEAbAG
And I suppose the entire third world that had to fight for their independence (from France, GB, and the like) would agree?
Yes, actually. France in particular, though a huge number of British would back that statement 100%. You don't read the news much, do you? Everyone knows our only plan was to install a US puppet in Iraq, because they've seen our record of the past 200 years (past 50 in particular) and know us too well.
I don't think so concidering in the 1930's the US had a germany first agreement with GB incase of war with the axis.
Government or the people? Truman was rarin' to go, but Nazism and the whole concept of eugenics had broad support in the US, particularly among the upper and upper-middle classes- though there was (and is) a good amount of white trash that can't argue with any movement with aspirations to get rid of all those durn black people. The swatsika was a friggin' fashion symbol in the 30s, for chrissake.
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I was talking about 1492-1970's, about five hundred years of Western colonial imperialism. And I'm quite sure there were PLENTY of Nazi lovers all over the world because of the unfortunate, but very widespread, anti-semitism of the time.
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Ah- but the English and Spanish aren't making all sorts of pompus claims about having saved the world and spread liberty all over the place. And when they were, they were every bit as repulsive, horrible, and murderous as America is now.
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Originally posted by Razor
Of course. Every country that opposes America's fascism is a terrorist country. Now lets see, France and germany opposed America, it's just a matter of time before Bush (or who ever takes his place) accuses F&G for their crimes or what so ever. Yep the Western alliance is totally falling appart, :) but meh :p ...as they say all "good" things must come to an end. :nod: :D
And you will give americans over to the international court. Let the world see their faces clearly when they are in the court and judged as every other citizen on this planet would. It is clear that they are war criminals and all war criminals should face the court. :nod: And don't worry. They can't blackmail you in any way. They wouldn't dare because they don't have good enough arguments. Even if they do, they would look stupid in the eyes of other nations and of course, if they would attack you no-one would join them so therefore they would loose the fight. :D In this situation, you are holding the playing cards, not amers. ;)
OBL is a mad man. Even I agree with that, but since the GW, sadam didn't do anything to threaten amers.
So now its patriotically anti-american, eh?
Government or the people? Truman was rarin' to go, but Nazism and the whole concept of eugenics had broad support in the US, particularly among the upper and upper-middle classes- though there was (and is) a good amount of white trash that can't argue with any movement with aspirations to get rid of all those durn black people. The swatsika was a friggin' fashion symbol in the 30s, for chrissake.
We embrace ignorance so easily-perhaps humanity's worst trait.
Patriots, suicide bombers, ultra conservatives, America haters(like Razor), they're all bigots. Maybe, just for once, if we stopped wallowing in our own crap we could do things we should have done a long time ago-And I want to get off this rock.
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Yes. Everyone's a fucking bigot but yourself and your kind, eh, Vega? :lol:
Goddamn bigot.:doubt:
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Yes. Everyone's a fucking bigot but yourself and your kind, eh, Vega? :lol:
Goddamn bigot.:doubt:
I never said I wasn't one. So fine, I just criticized myself.
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Then quit complaining. If you actually really meant that for a second, you'd realize that fuckin' everyone has their preconceptions, generalizations, and bigotries, and that it's an inextricable part of living in a human society. And then you'd stop complaining about it and deal with it, because you might as well be saying "If only you could get to Mars by jumping as high as you can, we'd have a Mars colony by now and no more shortages of heavy metals anymore!".
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
The swatsika was a friggin' fashion symbol in the 30s, for chrissake.
That was before the Nazis adopted it (it had nothing to do with fascism before Hitler) and had nothing to do with the US eugenics program :rolleyes:
I have not seen a single legitimate argument against the US around this place
The interests of the US conflict with those who dislike it - legitimate enough?