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Well since people I know are going to flock to see this movie thursday (in NYC we had a limited release wed evening........), I recomend that you see this DAMN MOVIE! The purpose of this thread is for people to give thoughts about it, and how the ending will turn out...
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The movie, almost 3hrs, action packed (duh), and wows from begining to end. I dont want to tell off more because i dont want to spoil the movie, but see it! It is wortht he 10 bucks!
:thepimp:
PS... THEY GAVE THE FREDDY VS JASON TRAILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS SUMMER PEOPLE! :eek2:
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They made a second one?
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Originally posted by Blue Lion
They made a second one?
*smacks Blue Lion just on principle*
They've been working on this movie for the last year, Blue! And the third one (Matrix Revolutions) comes out in November (yes, in just five more months)! w00t!
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Okay, haven't seen it yet (today's premiere and the theatres will be packed the next few days...)
I am looking forward to it :nod:
But I'd like to ask one thing of the posters in this thread:
BE careful with spoilers!!
Thanks.
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remember [ spoiler ] [ / spoiler ]
I'm not even going to look at the thread again till' I see the movie.
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PS... THEY GAVE THE FREDDY VS JASON TRAILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS SUMMER PEOPLE! :eek2:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/freddy_vs_jason/
yeah.... this is why i check for new trailers every day on quicktime.... well not THIS but for good movies.... yes indeed it is true i have no life, but its ok im only 16:lol:
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Pfff. I reserved my TMR ticket last monday :p with the best seats..front row center. Won't miss a damn thing. :p
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Hmmm.
I only have one word to say
Cake
:D
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CNN's movie review said, in a nutshell, this (it's not a spoiler, more of a good/bad/mediocre rating, but I'll still hide it from you purists) :
Visually mind-boggling, mentally empty
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Originally posted by deep_eyes
PS... THEY GAVE THE FREDDY VS JASON TRAILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS SUMMER PEOPLE!
Okay, now I'm willing to accept that there is a benevolent God somewhere out there...
By the way, I'm going in costume. Let the damn cops try and stop me, I've got a machete for a reason. ;7
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Man, I still gotta wait a week to see Matrix Reloaded... Oh well, atleast I can occupy my time with Enter the Matrix! :D Fun game!
Oh and now that I'm finally Freelancing (Teaching contract finnished) again, I'll be more on site again! Whee! More time to work on my "secret" project.... Muahahaha...
*skampers off into his cave and drools over his PC version of Enter the Matrix"
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Yeah The Matrix Reloaded was awesome. go see it people :yes: :nod:
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Originally posted by Sandwich
CNN's movie review said, in a nutshell, this (it's not a spoiler, more of a good/bad/mediocre rating, but I'll still hide it from you purists) :
Visually mind-boggling, mentally empty
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I don't give a sh*t about CNNs reviews. I am going to see the film my self and if it sucks it sucks, if it rocks... I'll probably go see it again. :D So screw CNN. :p
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I'll probably go see it today, that is, if it's even at the theater. Sometimes the closest theater around here is a little late on new releases. :(
I'll have to call up there and see if they have it or talk to somebody I know to see if the title is outside the theater or something.
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Originally posted by Joey_21
I'll probably go see it today, that is, if it's even at the theater. Sometimes the closest theater around here is a little late on new releases. :(
That is sad, but it's better to see it a few days later than some months later or never. Hey I saw "The One" about a month ago, but the Matrix :D well as I said, it's comming next tuesday.
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Just received word... My family and I are planning to see it tomorrow. :D $6 per ticket I believe. *won't be able to sleep tonight*
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It was...... certainly a movie, I'll give it that
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hehehe
hard as hell to understand though ;)
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What's there to understand? There's a war, a lot of gunplay, and some bonking. All with mondo special effects.
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what's hard to understand? the whole last half hour dammit! and don't say you weren't confused, especially at the part with Neo talking to the "architect"...
actually i found most of the storyline hard (somewhat) to understand... i guess when i see it a few more times it'll come into perspective.
my one gripe about the movie though: that sex scene was waaayyyy too long.
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Originally posted by Stealth
what's hard to understand? the whole last half hour dammit! and don't say you weren't confused, especially at the part with Neo talking to the "architect"...
:lol: :lol:
Actually I did understand it, but when he was done one guy yelled "Did anyone ****ing get that?"
my one gripe about the movie though: that sex scene was waaayyyy too long.
Oh god I could've taken a nap
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I wonder if Agent Smith is going to actually 'be' that 'survivor' that they found at the end of the movie... or if that 'survivor' will be himself... allows for a lot of speculation...
And, to be honest, I understood everything in that movie... believe it or not... don't see whats hard NOT to understand.
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I just got back from it. I can't wait for the third one.
The ending was a little disappointing, though. The prophecy is a lie and now we have some unknown guy on the next bed who is also in a coma state.
I wonder if those powers that Neo was demonstrating outside of the matrix is a little indication that he is also "The One" outside of the matrix.
Originally posted by Stealth
my one gripe about the movie though: that sex scene was waaayyyy too long.
With all the people dancing around in bullet time it had to last about that long. :p
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Originally posted by Joey_21
The ending was a little disappointing, though. The prophecy is a lie and now we have some unknown guy on the next bed who is also in a coma state.
I wonder if those powers that Neo was demonstrating outside of the matrix is a little indication that he is also "The One" outside of the matrix.
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Well, the guy on the bed isn't unknown... If my visual memory serves me right, that guy is the operator from the first movie, that betrayed Morpheus.
You also have to take into account the fact that Agent Smith copied himself on a person that was running away from him, and then picked up the phone and got transferred back onto the ship... Was that person he copied himself to that operator that betrayed Morpheus? (Remember, appearances aren't the same in the real world and the matrix) Man, I _really_ want to see the third movie... Need to... too many mysteries to solve, such as the guy who was about to kill Neo in Zion... hmm...
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Joey- re the reason his powers work on the outside: A lot of people are figuring there's a nested matrix model going on from what the Architect said. In other words, the "reality" is another simulation, and that the real reality is something else altogether. If this is what the producers have in mind, they're almost undoubtedly going to go the formulaic route and make our reality the REAL reality, or at least the one outside the wasteland (itself a simulation inside something else, ad nauseam). It's clever, the only problem is it's been done five bajillion times.
Out of curiosity- why are we bothering with the spoilers tag, rather than putting a spoilers warning in the title and writing so that we don't have to do all this highlighting and piecing together? Who's gonna be coming in here who either hasn't seen the movie or is planning to and doesn't want to know about it? Are we worrying about the resident HLP retard population?
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I agree Stryke 9.
I give the film as a whole a 7/10 because it doesn't have the same vibe as the first.
The Good - The story, there's a lot of characterization in this movie. If you have a problem sitting through dialog wait till it come out on video cause there's not a whole lot of action in the first hour, but after that ;7 .
The Bad - The total overuse of bullet time and some of the full-body CG looks a little ... "plastic".
The Ugly - The twins spectral faces :eek2:
Now for the specific critique
I don't know about the rest of you but, did that "orgy" scene have any pertinence to continuity? Or the Neo/Trinity interlude? They could have left that out and got a PG-13 rating which would increase the overall audience size by several factors at least and not have sacrficed story at all.
There are ways to suggest that Neo and Trinity had sex and then cut in afterward for their conversation. The whole "orgy" thing was a waste of film too. I could have lived without having Zion look like a debauched version of a glorified apartment building.
On other fronts:
There's lots of good Nebacudnezzar shots in it, the ship is slick.
I was disappointed in the power level that Neo possessed. The way Morpheus talked in the first one, I thought Neo was going to have near God-like power of creation and destruction. Granted he's powerful but I would have liked some glowy bits or an aura of power(Goku anybody?) when he was threw the Smiths off him.
To all who care: the guy that Smith subverted is the same guy that tried to kill Neo and then was the only survivor of the rout who is lying comatose on the bed opposite Neo at the end.
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God this movie ruled.
And I think what stryke said, matrix outside a matrix
And the sex=dance=orgy seen didn't stop... Counted so many nipples..
I don't know why it was in the movie really. It doesn't go with the story and as said, only raises the rating.
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Because it's sex. 2/3 of the Matrix's hardcore fans are no-life dweebs who enjoy two things in this world:
1. Pretending they're not in it.
and
2. Fapping off.
See how the new Matrix provides for both of those needs? It's the perfect nerd entertainment. Just move in a hurry if the guy sitting behind you starts breathing heavily during the sex scene.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Because it's sex. 2/3 of the Matrix's hardcore fans are no-life dweebs who enjoy two things in this world:
1. Pretending they're not in it.
and
2. Fapping off.
See how the new Matrix provides for both of those needs? It's the perfect nerd entertainment.
At least I'm glad I'm in the other 1/3... :D
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Just move in a hurry if the guy sitting behind you starts breathing heavily during the sex scene.
:shaking: :nervous: :wtf:
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Gahh!! there still in the Matrix!!!
the oricle is evil,
Smith is... something...
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Gahh!!!
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Originally posted by Bobboau
:eek2:
Gahh!! there still in the Matrix!!!
the oricle is evil,
Smith is... something...
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Gahh!!!
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First of all learn how to spell.
Oracle...well she isn't actually evil. She might just be telling the truth. Well Smith is totally evil, the architect is really a mind killer. CP is a small fish compared to this one. But well Neo has too much power (like pulling things to himself, hmmm..The force?...or reviving dead people). How can he fly and burn everything behind him and not burn up himself? And of course, the sex scene (N/T) is really sick I must say. This is just an overdrive. :ick
Overall, action is awesome, effects are fantastic, overall, the film is a complete brain meltdown.
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Well, some of the stuff I understood, some of it I didn't but overall, I could have been a lot happier with this film. Firstly, it didn't have as much of the cool cinematography and hell cool camera anles that the Matrix had - this one was shot more like a typical action movie, and unlike the Matrix itself, pretty much was a typical action movie. Apart from a few scenes, there wasn't as much thought required in this one.
I also got the feeling that this one was sort of tacked on - I know it wasn't, since they've always said they'd planned to do 3 movies, but that's just howw it felt to me. Plus Morpheus and Trinity both semi successfully taking on agents... I dunno about that'n.
That said, there were some good parts. We got to have a look into the deeper parts of the Matrix, and into the society of the machines. As for the sex/party scene there was a reason for it. IMO, it was designed to to contrast the machines ith humans - unlike the precise, crisp and clean machine existences, this was earthy and human - very different.
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Originally posted by Razor
Oracle...well she isn't actually evil. She might just be telling the truth. Well Smith is totally evil, the architect is really a mind killer. CP is a small fish compared to this one
but none of them are really evil, if their alll just computer programs designed to keep everything in control :confused:
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
As for the sex/party scene there was a reason for it. IMO, it was designed to to contrast the machines ith humans - unlike the precise, crisp and clean machine existences, this was earthy and human - very different.
Yea, and it was long and boring, when i go see it again tommorow im getting a snack then
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I can't wait for Smith to take over.
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Agreed, Smith is going to copy himself over the Architect and then remake the matrix in his image.
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okay, it was good. but it was also a little dissappointing.
and that guy on that other bed was Bane. At least I think that was his name. One of the guys that came with the message from the oracle (thus, quite likely Smith).
and, uh... too much morpheus, too little neo.
and the architect thing wasn't that hard to get.
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the only thing that was even remotely hard to follow was when things started getting cut in that non-liniar format (when they were showing a scene from them planing the atack then showed them doing that part of the atack, then go back to the planning ect...)
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I liked it overall
Whats with almost everyone being black? I dont think I saw 5 white people in Zion?
The action scenes rocked. I liked how they dont just agents now, but rouge programs too, like the Keymaker, the Oracle and the Merovignian. I sort of dont get how it all fits into the bigger picture, but I'm kinda expecting it to be explained in the third movie, and not just "how are we going to solve this without continuity errors", since it was planned as a trilogy.
Yes, the guy who they found as a survivor is the guy who Smith infected, hes the inside man working to kill Neo. It appears he's the one who caused the problem in the defences and resulted in
Zion going down.
About Neo, I dont quite understand his role anymore. I dont really understand the "this has happened before, no choice" stuff. As for Neo's powers outside the Matrix, well I dont understand them either. Or the Oracle. Or the prophecy. Or Smith. But again, thats why I'm going to watch the third movie, and hope that its all part of a big explanation that fits, and not just shoehorned on to make it fit.
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It is kinda hard to understand Neo's powers in the real world. I don't understand either how he felt them comming and how he stoped them. Well, when he wakes up in the Revolutions, we will see what really happened. Anyway, the film was really awesome. Fight scenes were much better in Reload than in The Matrix. D'oh
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Originally posted by Rictor
About Neo, I dont quite understand his role anymore. I dont really understand the "this has happened before, no choice" stuff. As for Neo's powers outside the Matrix, well I dont understand them either. Or the Oracle. Or the prophecy. Or Smith. But again, thats why I'm going to watch the third movie, and hope that its all part of a big explanation that fits, and not just shoehorned on to make it fit.
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He still has a choice because he loves one person more than anyone else, which is a difference from the previous Neo versions.
As for his power outside the Matrix... well, in a way he's just another rouge program like the Merovingian and the Keymaker and so.. but one for which the Machines have found a 'positive' role: namely rebooting the system, thus preserving humandkind from extinction. Cause he's a rouge program I suppose he has innate hacking abilities of great power.
That he can sense the machines outside the Matrix could potentially be explained that the machines use somekind of wireless network to keep contect with each other in the real world. Neo probably can feel/sense this wireless network and manipulate it at great cost.
They'll have a lot of explaining to do though.
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neo can do stuff 'outside the matrix' becase he is still in the matrix, Zion is just a way of catching the people who don't inately accept the matrix, it is a way of letting them out of the matrix without letting them out of the matrix.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
neo can do stuff 'outside the matrix' becase he is still in the matrix, Zion is just a way of catching the people who don't inately accept the matrix, it is a way of letting them out of the matrix without letting them out of the matrix.
this guy brings up a few good points on that:
http://www.geocities.com/clark_kent0002/index.htm
oh, it's also the neo/architect transcript.
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yeah, I thought of that a year or so ago. What if there are thousands of matrixes, where once you realize that you are within one, you wake up to another.
However, a truly enlightened individual could awake right to the very top one, realizing thats its just a lie, and rejecting it.
However, I'm not willing to take this as fact just yet, cause that would mean that humanity is ****ed.
Also, doesnt the war in the Matrix seem irrelevent? Even if they awaken all the people, the machines still kick ass in the real world. If they (humanity) were defeated once before when they had guns and weapons, why wont they be defeated now?
Also, why does Neo even need to fight Smith or anyone? If you realize that the Matrix is a lie, then you can do whatever you want. Neo could move as fast as he believes he can, have as many arms as many guns as he thinks he has. Then he could just take on anybody.
Discuss!!
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it is a way of letting them out of the matrix without letting them out of the matrix
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
What you just said doesn't make any sense at all. First Matrix and the real world are two different things. Zion is not a system as you reffer to it. Zion is just a city in the underground. Second, that Bain guy is actually agent Smith, so he kinda mannaged to get into the real world. I believe that the machines cracked down when they saw Neo because they don't see Neo like they see eeryone else. For instance, in the first matrix, when the machines breached the Nebaccanezard and when they entered inside and saw Neo and trinity. They stoped. They could have opened fire but they didn't. I think it was just a coincidence that Neo bailed at that time and Trinity in fear yelled NOW and well EMP flashed.
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The real world is still the matrix. The machines are playing the humans for *****es and playing one step ahead of them as machines do. Everything else Razor/Rictor said is just to make the movie watchable.
It's not that hard to comprehend actually.
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Well, that was... interesting.
The script was a bit too wordy near the beginning, and the ending was the awful - I mean I realise it's in two parts, but for God's sake, showing the baddie's face and playing suspense music?
Anywho, the action was predictably breathtaking. And Carrie Anne Moss is unspeakably hot. Oh, by the gods, she would get at a side angle. Yes.
Lastly, Razor - you so have no clue, do you?
*plays RATM's Wake Up*
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diamondgeezer: I think this has to be said...hot? she's hot? you must have one of those brail keyboards, cause obviously you're blind.
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:doubt:
She's not the most attractive woman, althought she got better from the first matrix. I like more curves on my women personally, but she's isn't that bad.
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You lot know nothing. She's good to look at. Commendable use of PVC catsuit, I might add.
I guess I tend to go for strong a personality in a woman, I like someone to match my own force of will. Trinity's whole character just does it for me.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
:doubt:
She's not the most attractive woman, althought she got better from the first matrix. I like more curves on my women personally, but she's isn't that bad.
Agreed. Carrie-Anne Moss may be over thirty, but she still looks hot.
(On a related topic: have you guys seen Demi Moore? She's forty and still looks phenomenal! Must be some sort of special facial cream...)
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Originally posted by Rictor
I liked it overall
Whats with almost everyone being black? I dont think I saw 5 white people in Zion?
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because in the REAL world, whites are a small minority, though they it may seem otherwise
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Its all the matrix! The real world is the matrix as well!!! A matrix within a matrix! The matrix as we know it is in a transition of failing once again, and the REAL world is the NEW version. So the machines have devised a cunning way to start an uprising to transfer the people from the old matrix into the new one, without the humans waking up. So that they'd think they were free!!! But in fact they are not! This way the machines can go happily about their business without worrying about losing crops anymore cause humans are then way too happy with themselves, because they have won!
*Head explodes.
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I refuse to accept the matrix within a matrix explaination yet
As for Carrie-Ann Moss...she's a paper-bag case. She seems very old a wrinkly to me, though I didnt get to see much of her body, only the face. Most of the women (except Persephone) in the Matrix seem very butch and man-like. I guess this is cause the Wachowski Brothers did a lesbian film before the Matrix and it rubbed off or something
And since when is most of the world's population black? It seems to me that its about 1/3 Asian, 1/4 Black, 1/4 Arabic and the rest split between white and Latin
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Originally posted by NegspectahDek
because in the REAL world, whites are a small minority, though they it may seem otherwise
I'm not sure about that, but regardless, it seems like most of the people who go into the matrix on matrix-missions or whatever are white. They don't like black people going into the matrix or something? Morpheus was like the only one in the first movie, I can't seem to remember too many from the second either:wtf:
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Yeah, they dont like to send them on missions cause they're afraid their instincts will kick in and they're start stealing stuff from the matrix:D :D
But seriously, 3 our of the 4 ship captains we've seen so far are black. Morpheus, Thedeus and Niobe. Plus you have Link, Dozer and Tank who were all black. Again, I'm not a racist, just observing
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you know I realy didn't notice that
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Maybe the brothas grew up in the hood... or the casting director
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Originally posted by Rictor
Yeah, they dont like to send them on missions cause they're afraid their instincts will kick in and they're start stealing stuff from the matrix:D :D
But seriously, 3 our of the 4 ship captains we've seen so far are black. Morpheus, Thedeus and Niobe. Plus you have Link, Dozer and Tank who were all black. Again, I'm not a racist, just observing
I didn't catch the part when they said about Tank. How did he die anyway? I know that Link was sent in to replace him.
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well he wasn't dead last movie IIRC. My guess is that he didn't want or couldn't sign on to the next movie for whatever the hell reason, so they killed off is character even though he survived. Story wise, I'd say he died in another untold mission or he bled to death/was killed by sentinels at the end of the first movie.
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IIRC, the guy (I don't remember his name) and Warner Brothers got into a heated argument over his contract for the second film that resulted in him being escorted off the lot. He has since admitted to breaking into the studio and stealing food off of the "The Matrix Reloaded" set.
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heh, yeah. I even read on IMDB that he was supposedly labeled as a "terrorist".
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Originally posted by Rictor
And since when is most of the world's population black? It seems to me that its about 1/3 Asian, 1/4 Black, 1/4 Arabic and the rest split between white and Latin
There are only 4 main 'races' in humanity:
Caucasian 'white': which includes darker skinned people like in the Middle East, North Africa and even India (iirc). The lighter skinned type lives mainly in Europe, America, Australia and there's a bit of an offshoot around the Transsiberian Railway.
Negroide: These are mainly people from Subsaharan Africa, but there also live significant populations in America (North and South) and they used to be the main population in Australia until the Europeans came.
Mongoloide: These are asian people like we find in China, Japan, South East Asia and on the siberian Steppes. They can also be found in the High North of the American continent
Native American: the group that used to be dominant on the American Continent until the Europeans came.
Arabic (Semite) peoples are considered 'white' just like latins.
Not that it matters much in the end since all types are inter-compatible and as such there's only one species of human, one race.
Anyway: maybe the difference between populations in the Matrix (black outside, white inside) is another of those colour-tricks? Like the Matrix having this green glow everywhere while, I heard, the real world is blue-ish.
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Originally posted by Rictor
Yeah, they dont like to send them on missions cause they're afraid their instincts will kick in and they're start stealing stuff from the matrix:D :D
thats not even close to being funny. that says alot about you
my question is, why is the fact that most of the captains shown in the movie black even an issue? on a subconcious level does it bother you in some way? i bet when you saw the first one you werent saying 'hey morpheus is the only black guy in the movie, where are the rest of them? we need some more black people in this movie'
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The Matrix is set in the future, right? Well, humans aren't going to have gotten any whiter, are they? Given enough time, white people will have disappeared entirely.
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As i've said, this is merely an observation. These days, you can even state a fact without it being politically incorrect. Thats like saying, "my skin is a whiter hue than his". Its not an insult, just a fact. It doesnt bother me at all (the movie) its was just an observation. jeez, when will people lighten up. Maybe you're on of those people who says "Happy seasonal religion non-specific time a festive joy" instead of merry christamas... dont even knowhow I got to the point of having to justify myself to everyone who throws some stupid ass comment out and tries to find the bogeyman in every sentence.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Commendable use of PVC catsuit, I might add.
Yeeeeessss......
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Now that was cool. The philosophy didn't bother me at all, and the Freespacish Revelation (the thing about 6 Ones and 6 Zions) was ubercool.
Only thing that bothered me, was the stupid way they introduced 5 (count 'em) new characters, just to show off 25 minutes of more action. I, of course mean the Merovingian/Keymaker part. They could have done that more subtly.
Overall, that was fricckin' llamaing' great!
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I just watched all the FMV's in Enter the Matrix and got a little hint of something I didn't pick up first time around... When the Oracle speaks to Ghost, she:
mentions to him that two programs she trusted sold her deletion code of her old body. But she accepted it because they did it for their CHILD! And she goes on to say that this child is very important! Well, I guess I can connect the child to being Neo, but who then are the parents?!!
And PVC Catsuit...Niiice...
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I'm never going to think of cake the same way again. :nervous:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
well he wasn't dead last movie IIRC. My guess is that he didn't want or couldn't sign on to the next movie for whatever the hell reason, so they killed off is character even though he survived. Story wise, I'd say he died in another untold mission or he bled to death/was killed by sentinels at the end of the first movie.
actually, just like for the Osiris and the young guy that sticks to Neo at the begining and seems like a pain to him, this is most likely exlained in animatrix. well the osiris stuff is, that's for sure.
about the merovingien, is that french insults thing in the US version too? the guy sure has knowledge :D
Oh, Moss IS hot. being over 30 is not a beauty factor, even being "wrinkly" isn't. She certainly is attractive in many ways. to me, much more than the blonde babe that have that "cake orgasm" :p
the sex scene: yeah, I think it was too long ( but maybe it's because I didn't like the music ), but it shows that the city isn't all "bright", it fees kindda "stone age" in that scene.
how, and about "too many nipples" and "disgusting", gives me a break you fakers :rolleyes:
the guy in the end is the guy "infested" by Smith. can't you even recognize a face? :doubt: ( side note, that is SO obviously a cameo for ghost hacking from Ghost In The Shell :p )
and finally, you all think too much about that matrix stuff :p seeing matrix is inspired greatly from GITS, well, I probably guess how it's gonna turn out :p
anyway, I heard so many comments about the movie before seeing it, I knew what to expect and what not to expect, it'sactually been a good thing for once, since I haven't been disapointed ( I knew what I'd have ).
how, and the "planed trilogy" thing is ****, they didn't plan to make 2 other movies when doing the first one. that's all marketing stuff.
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Originally posted by Venom
how, and the "planed trilogy" thing is ****, they didn't plan to make 2 other movies when doing the first one. that's all marketing stuff.
The Wachowskis probably had the ideas for the second two films, but like Starwars they hadn't even planned on making them until the Matrix had such massive sucess
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Originally posted by Venom
about the merovingien, is that french insults thing in the US version too? the guy sure has knowledge :D
That was REALLY cool
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I have a few ENTER THE MATRIX questions:
Does it have Multiplayer?
Is there a DEMO available?
i heard that some people say the game sucks and its only worth buying it because of the film sequences. Is that really true?
While playing, do you really experience that feeling they said you should have like: Intense combat, braking rules, dodging, bullet time...
One more thing, The french guy. when he swore, I didn't understand a thing but I really laughed. :lol: I think he is the 3rd coolest person in that film, well in my opinion.
Anyway here is the list:
1st place: Agent Smith
2nd place Mr Anderson
3rd place The French guy
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Well, to put it simply, Enter the Matrix is Max Payne with kung Fu. With a weaker aiming system while shooting, but the kung fu more than makes up for it. You get to do mostly everything you see in the first movie, so its all there. Bullet time, wall running, jumping really far, dodging bullet (not neo style unfortunately) basically everything. Even fighting multiple swat guys, kicking two at the same time, grabbing a gun from one, killing him then using the gun on a second guy and finally jumping onto the wall to land a spin kick into third guys head, breaking his neck. Then theres the driving/shooting stuff which is fun. Its a fun game. Not THE best, but a hell of a console title, if not with some bugs for the pc.
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So you are actually trying to say that game is pretty cool. You didnt answer one of the questions though. Is there a multiplayer?
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No. There is not multiplayer.
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I was sort of disapointed with the bullet time thing. I wanted to be able to bend my character around and stuff to dodge bullets like on the movie, but you only get to run or jump out of their way :doubt:
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well that wouldn't be good because only Neo and Agents are supposed to be able to move that fast.
oh and about ETM, anyone else notice how the driving levels are total ****? :blah:
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You people don't find it at-all odd that the Matrix is getting more and more violent as the story progresses? Or that Neo starts out as a sleepy hacker? Or that it's filled with minute plot-holes? Or that they've completely ignored that 'time-skip' thing when the Matrix changes after the cat incident?
God, you're idiots.
If the Matrix ends up as anything other than Neo asleep at his computer after having cheated like **** on some Terminator (or as some horrific joke, he's dreaming an alternate perspective of ETM) game, I'll be VERY surprised.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
oh and about ETM, anyone else notice how the driving levels are total ****? :blah:
Yeah, They could fix those better. When playing as ghost, Niobe can't drive for ****. And when playing Niobe, Ghost can't shoot for ****. And while driving as Niobe its quite hard to control the steering with a mouse. And the whole Logos level was a bit redundant. Being a gunner it wasn't really anything but point at the swarm and fire. But driving it was more like, keep going forward and shoot. And the level played out WAY too fast for me. It was like on some turbo speed. If it would have been slower and alot more detailed then it would have rocked. Oh well. Still love the kung fu.
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Originally posted by an0n
*blah* Or that it's filled with minute plot-holes? *blah*
I wish I was more like you. I enjoyed every minute of the Matrix films, I really wish I'd been able to sit there picking holes in it instead.
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Yeah, they kick ass. But there's all these little niggly things that seem like plot-holes but are almost certainly set-ups for the grand finale where they go "Gee, it was all a dream".
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Yeah, They could fix those better. When playing as ghost, Niobe can't drive for ****. And when playing Niobe, Ghost can't shoot for ****. And while driving as Niobe its quite hard to control the steering with a mouse. And the whole Logos level was a bit redundant. Being a gunner it wasn't really anything but point at the swarm and fire. But driving it was more like, keep going forward and shoot. And the level played out WAY too fast for me. It was like on some turbo speed. If it would have been slower and alot more detailed then it would have rocked. Oh well. Still love the kung fu.
personally i thought the driving sections were 'tacked on' the game woulda been better if they bothered 'fleshing out' the main portion of the game, as well as the story....
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Originally posted by Rictor
And since when is most of the world's population black? It seems to me that its about 1/3 Asian, 1/4 Black, 1/4 Arabic and the rest split between white and Latin
Who do you think launched the nukes and thus were the first to be slaughtered by the machines?
You got it. White people.
So while Africa was tunneling down into the Earth, all of Europe, America and Australia was being over-run by self-aware killing machines.
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Also, hasn't anyone noticed that virtually everyone hooked up to the matrix are as white as the Borg in ST?
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geez, no sun.... go figure..:doubt:
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Guys, white people made the machines, white people nuked the Earth, black people escaped under-ground, machines enslaved the white-people, the black-people founded Xion, the white-people ****ed it by letting Neo make the choices.
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When Keanu's your hero, you get what's coming to you.
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:lol: indeed
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Neo: Whoa
Zombie Morpeus: Kill!
etc
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Jesus, you think there are plot holes? Try playing ETM :doubt:
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indeed....
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Originally posted by an0n
Yeah, they kick ass. But there's all these little niggly things that seem like plot-holes but are almost certainly set-ups for the grand finale where they go "Gee, it was all a dream".
you're gonna be soooo disapointed :p
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Did anyone else besides me catch one of the most biggest and yet most irrevelant discontinuities?
Think back to M1 - Neo's been released from the Matrix, and is undergoing operation to remove many of those plugs, right? Remeber when Dozer (?) is dropping the plugs into that tub of water with the big tweezers? Those were Neo's spinal cord plugs.
Fast forward to the sex scene between Neo and Trinity. At the very end, the camera moves away from their intertwined bodies, and we see, clear as can be, a line of plugs along Neo's spine.
Glitch in the Matrix? :p
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everyone had plugs all over them throughout both movies, like on there hands and ****, I'm not sure the holes were fixed maybe just some part of a conector that might cause infection or something was removed, but I'm sure there was something left in there.
anyway, what is suposed to happen in the next one?
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Originally posted by Bobboau
anyway, what is suposed to happen in the next one?
WAR!
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
WAR!
yeah, something like that. the trailer for it owned, to say the least.
I'm looking forward to the neo-smith showdown too.
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Originally posted by an0n
Who do you think launched the nukes and thus were the first to be slaughtered by the machines?
You got it. White people.
So while Africa was tunneling down into the Earth, all of Europe, America and Australia was being over-run by self-aware killing machines.
yea thats pretty much right. africa wasnt overrun until the very end because they kept stealing the parts and fuel the machines needed to run. but it wasnt cause they were trying to stop the machines. no sir, it was cause they could stop stealing. thaTand the fact that they were to high off skunk to care what was happening to the world
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Originally posted by NegspectahDek
yea thats pretty much right. africa wasnt overrun until the very end because they kept stealing the parts and fuel the machines needed to run. but it wasnt cause they were trying to stop the machines. no sir, it was cause they could stop stealing. thaTand the fact that they were to high off skunk to care what was happening to the world
Uuuhm...:confused: I hope to hell you were only joking cause that kind of talk really pisses the **** out of me. So before this thread gets closed for stupid flaming, I suggest we cool down on the whole Blacks in Zion and talk about something else Matrix related.
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Actually, I think an0n hit it on the nose. As for Neg :wtf:
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It feels like the first movie's ending was a better conclusion to the whole story. It left everything else implicit.
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Eh, we can point out how badly stupid white men have ****ed things up throughout history, let the redneck go off about blacks if he wants.
After all, who really gives a **** what he says? "I'll say, did you know that the disenfranchised poor sometimes steal things? That a people enslaved, brutalized, and forced into the ghetto have a high incidence of drug crime? Well I never! Jolly-oh, it's best the police-men are about to keep them in place! Forty-one for me, good sir!"
Why give him the respect he hasn't earned? Get pissed off when he actually has a relevant, coherent idea that's insulting to you or goes against your deeply-held beliefs, not when he's strutting around in a white sheet being a troll.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Why give him the respect he hasn't earned? Get pissed off when he actually has a relevant, coherent idea that's insulting to you or goes against your deeply-held beliefs, not when he's strutting around in a white sheet being a troll.
Well, I can see that you don't seem to understand my point. So I'll let it go. I just want this good thread to discuss more on the matrix and not other peoples oppinions on race. :doubt:
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maybe you all missed my point. i was offended b/c a forumite implied that black people such as myself are instinctive thiefs. I thought i laid that out pretty well.
after that, i was just continuing an0ns SARCASTIC comment. I didnt know i needed to [sarcastic][/sarcastic] everything. And I know when to keep my mouth shut when I have somerhing to say that is OBVIOUSLY very ****in offensive, I keep it to myself.
That being said, matrix reloaded sucked compared to the first one.
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Originally posted by NegspectahDek
after that, i was just continuing an0ns SARCASTIC comment
There are so many things wrong with this...
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matrix reloaded sucked .
Must resist! Just...must resist the urge....
ARE YOU FREAKIN' OUT OF YOUR MIND YA MANIAC!!!!!!!!!11
(http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/images/smilies/mad2.gif)
No seriously are you? The movie was awesome. Great action, great effects, awesome story line. I enjoyed every single second of the movie. OK so let's hear it. What sucked in the movie? You better have something good.
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http://www.moviemistakes.com/
Aside from the obvious goal of the site, they have (ATM) a good, balanced review on TMR on the front page. Since I can't find any archive of past movie reviews, I think I'll quote the whole thing for future consumption, lest the review on the front page disappear:
[q]The Matrix Reloaded review
Just been to see it (finally out here in the UK), and ohohoho... Never have I come so close to standing up and applauding during a film. A perfect combination of live action and CGI, great background info about the Matrix's history... I can't find the right words. Suffice to say, go and see it now. Right now. I mean actually right now - close the browser and get to a cinema. Ignore any negative reviews (although the negative ones are getting more attention than the positive ones, which are vastly in the majority) - it's on a different plane to the original, so you can't compare accurately. The first one was a landmark, so of course Reloaded won't be covering entirely new territory, because, well, it's not new territory, and it's stupid to expect it to.
What Reloaded does is exactly what a sequel/continuation should do, which is add to the story, open new paths, and yes, blow away previous effects completely, and it manages this perfectly. One critic wrote something along the lines of "the action bogs down horribly between set-pieces", which to me just shows that they were being very narrow-minded in their expectations. Nothing gets bogged down - there's just a lot of this lost art called "plot", which too many action films have forgotten about, and have suffered because of it. Likewise the philosophising - a few people have said that there's far too much intellectual posturing, which is just blatantly untrue. Aside from the meeting with the Frenchman, which concentrates a lot on the significance of choice (and which proves entirely relevant later on), there's nothing remotely mood-killing about the dialogue.
Sorry - this semi-rant was prompted by reading about Laurence Fishburne's negative reaction when asked his opinion of the negative reviews. Mr. Fishburne, I entirely agree. Anything people don't like about this film seems to be largely based on their expectations or lack of understanding, rather than the film's own merits. Expecting more action or less plot, and disappointed? That's your problem, not the film's. Complaining that it starts too slowly? Again, adjust your expectations. It does start relatively slowly, but that's the nature of the plot - writing in a big action scene before we really know what's going on would be far too forced. Likewise the ending - it's been made very clear that the Matrix "trilogy" is more one normal length film and one very long film in two parts than a traditional trilogy, but still some people seem to think that the way it ends is somehow "wrong".
I'm stupidly concentrating on countering the negatives, rather than praising the positives, of which there are many (many, many, many). Even aside from the fight sequences, the visuals are stunning - CGI done properly, rather than looking like a cartoon. All the actors are, of course, top notch, and it's surprisingly funny in places, which the original wasn't, really. All the other amazing achievements, though, pale into insignificance compared to the ridiculous complexity of the fight/action scenes. I sincerely hope no-one even attempts to mimic them, because they're going to fail miserably, and embarrass themselves in the process. The thing which really stood out was that either due to the training, the budget, the CGI, or all four, there was a blessed lack of frequent cutting during the fights - a mark of great direction, but also of putting enough effort into them so that complicated moves could be executed within one shot.
One which sticks in my mind is the fight in the chateau entrance hall - four people cartwheeling/somersaulting/jumping across and around the room, in one wide shot. CGI or real life? Doesn't matter, because it was absolutely stunning regardless. If it was CGI, it was so well done that you couldn't tell, and if it was live action, the co-ordination needed to get four actors positioned properly on wires deserves some kind of special award. The car chase again shows just how much effort went in to making it look right. As far as I could tell, the vast majority, if not all, of the car crashes were real cars really crashing, and they looked GREAT. And as for the "Burly Brawl" - words can't begin to do it justice.
Right, I'm going to try and calm down now. Suffice to say that negative reviewers don't know what they're talking about - it's deep without being impenetrable, perfectly paced, takes the original and expands on it in every conceivable direction (and even a few inconceivable ones), and takes your eyes through such a visual feast that if your pulse isn't racing by the end, you're probably dead.[/q]
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Yeah, I guess I can agree with that. I watched it again and enjoyed it even more. So it really is a movie that requires to digest it and think about it, which I love.
And NegspectahDek, whoops... My bad... :o
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for one, thats taken out of context, i said it sucked in comparison. That in no way means I didnt like it. Personally, I think the first one could have stood by itself.
I didnt like the cg fight scenes, specifically when neo fights all of the agent smiths and he jumps in the air and the camera pans, i just think they could have left it out. that and the orgy. AND ROY JONES JR WITH SPEAKING LINES. more than one of them. i think my biggest gripe is that there was no equivalent of the lobby scene. the only thing that came close was the highway scene. Morpheus with the sword was the coolest thing in that movie, bar none. Ithink my gripe was that there were no bone shaking, mind jarringly violent scenes. like the last hour of the two towers.
the third movie has some big shoes to fill to keep the trilogy from being a big letdown
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Originally posted by Sandwich
http://www.moviemistakes.com/
Aside from the obvious goal of the site, they have (ATM) a good, balanced review on TMR on the front page. Since I can't find any archive of past movie reviews, I think I'll quote the whole thing for future consumption, lest the review on the front page disappear:
[q]The Matrix Reloaded review
Just been to see it (finally out here in the UK), and ohohoho... Never have I come so close to standing up and applauding during a film. A perfect combination of live action and CGI, great background info about the Matrix's history... I can't find the right words. Suffice to say, go and see it now. Right now. I mean actually right now - close the browser and get to a cinema. Ignore any negative reviews (although the negative ones are getting more attention than the positive ones, which are vastly in the majority) - it's on a different plane to the original, so you can't compare accurately. The first one was a landmark, so of course Reloaded won't be covering entirely new territory, because, well, it's not new territory, and it's stupid to expect it to.
What Reloaded does is exactly what a sequel/continuation should do, which is add to the story, open new paths, and yes, blow away previous effects completely, and it manages this perfectly. One critic wrote something along the lines of "the action bogs down horribly between set-pieces", which to me just shows that they were being very narrow-minded in their expectations. Nothing gets bogged down - there's just a lot of this lost art called "plot", which too many action films have forgotten about, and have suffered because of it. Likewise the philosophising - a few people have said that there's far too much intellectual posturing, which is just blatantly untrue. Aside from the meeting with the Frenchman, which concentrates a lot on the significance of choice (and which proves entirely relevant later on), there's nothing remotely mood-killing about the dialogue.
Sorry - this semi-rant was prompted by reading about Laurence Fishburne's negative reaction when asked his opinion of the negative reviews. Mr. Fishburne, I entirely agree. Anything people don't like about this film seems to be largely based on their expectations or lack of understanding, rather than the film's own merits. Expecting more action or less plot, and disappointed? That's your problem, not the film's. Complaining that it starts too slowly? Again, adjust your expectations. It does start relatively slowly, but that's the nature of the plot - writing in a big action scene before we really know what's going on would be far too forced. Likewise the ending - it's been made very clear that the Matrix "trilogy" is more one normal length film and one very long film in two parts than a traditional trilogy, but still some people seem to think that the way it ends is somehow "wrong".
I'm stupidly concentrating on countering the negatives, rather than praising the positives, of which there are many (many, many, many). Even aside from the fight sequences, the visuals are stunning - CGI done properly, rather than looking like a cartoon. All the actors are, of course, top notch, and it's surprisingly funny in places, which the original wasn't, really. All the other amazing achievements, though, pale into insignificance compared to the ridiculous complexity of the fight/action scenes. I sincerely hope no-one even attempts to mimic them, because they're going to fail miserably, and embarrass themselves in the process. The thing which really stood out was that either due to the training, the budget, the CGI, or all four, there was a blessed lack of frequent cutting during the fights - a mark of great direction, but also of putting enough effort into them so that complicated moves could be executed within one shot.
One which sticks in my mind is the fight in the chateau entrance hall - four people cartwheeling/somersaulting/jumping across and around the room, in one wide shot. CGI or real life? Doesn't matter, because it was absolutely stunning regardless. If it was CGI, it was so well done that you couldn't tell, and if it was live action, the co-ordination needed to get four actors positioned properly on wires deserves some kind of special award. The car chase again shows just how much effort went in to making it look right. As far as I could tell, the vast majority, if not all, of the car crashes were real cars really crashing, and they looked GREAT. And as for the "Burly Brawl" - words can't begin to do it justice.
Right, I'm going to try and calm down now. Suffice to say that negative reviewers don't know what they're talking about - it's deep without being impenetrable, perfectly paced, takes the original and expands on it in every conceivable direction (and even a few inconceivable ones), and takes your eyes through such a visual feast that if your pulse isn't racing by the end, you're probably dead.[/q]
:yes: :yes: :yes:
Agree on all points. In fact, on that note, I'm going to go see the damn thing again. :)
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Originally posted by NegspectahDek
Personally, I think the first one could have stood by itself.
Er... yes. That was the idea. In case it sucked. In the same way that New Hope could have stood by itself... but then we've already said that several times :nod:
But I have to say, I don't reacall an orgy...
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The part right after Morpheus speaks to Zion... you know, when the pr0no music kicks in.
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Oh, I thought that was just a load of people dancing. Pretty close n' personal, but apart from a see-through top on some tit-less wonder, I'd hardly call it an orgy
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Oh, I thought that was just a load of people dancing. Pretty close n' personal, but apart from a see-through top on some tit-less wonder, I'd hardly call it an orgy
Yes but the rest of the people on this thread who thought it was are probably not getting it much. They see a nipple and the mind begins to wander :D
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Mmmmm... Niipples...
If there WOULD have been an orgy that would have rocked in my oppinion! It would make sence too, cause iminent death is ahead, and after Morpheus' big speech of "After a hundred years, we are still here!!", they would get the idea to propagate the species, therefore get all the women pregnant, so that chances are if some of them survive the attack, they'll be able to grow the city anew...
... :blah: ... Yeah... I'll go back to my cave now...
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another thought
neo stopping the sentinals at the end. you think that might have something to do with the exchange of code b/w him and Agent Smith, who by the way, is the coolest character in the series
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Originally posted by NegspectahDek
another thought
neo stopping the sentinals at the end. you think that might have something to do with the exchange of code b/w him and Agent Smith, who by the way, is the coolest character in the series
Exchange of code? No. Remember, the Matrixx is not the same as the machines in their world/system. The Matrix is a construct into which humans are plugged to keep their minds sane while their bodies run on in the real world. The machines, for the most part, probably never venture into the matrix at all themselves- just the programs (agents) they create.
Therefore, any exchange of code enabling Neo to affect things outside the Matrix would be like you being able to fly after you upgrade your home PC to a P4-3Ghz. :p
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AAh, but wait! Neo himself has metallic plugs and god knows what other wiring inside him! So perhaps he's able to expel an EMP of sorts of his own. Since he's become the one, he's also managed to control his body's electrical systems. Like restarting his heart, and restarting Trinitys! So, after saving Trinity, he must have somehow enlightened himself even more until he became sensitive to electrical fields. So now that he can control his own electrical energy, the plugs were a sort of out put for it. And then by creating the emp pulse, he literarely drained himself of energy thus falling into a coma!!!
:eek: *head explodes... again.*
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I've been thinking about the suggestion that the 'real world' is in fact part of the Matrix, and allows the minority of people who resist to believe that they are free. I disagree with this, based mainly on the behaviour of the Agents in the two films.
Judging by how the Agents behave towards one another, it seems quite clear that they at least believe they're fighting a real war. Why else would they muck about with a human traitor? And the conversation they have when Trinity escapes: "She got out"... I'm sure the Agents wouldn't be so concerned with chasing down free humans like Trinity if the real world was just a part of the Matrix. Of course it's possible that they're being tricked as well, programmed to believe that Zion is real when in fact it is part of the Matirx in order to put on a convining show for the 'free' humans, but I don't think so. More likely, it's just mind games to try and **** with Neo's head :nod:
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Yeah, I used to be a Matrix in a Matrix theory. Because it answered a lot of questions. Even the whole agents thing. Basically they are still restricted to the rules the matrix gives them. So what they're told is to them "truth" when in fact not. BUT...
I don't like the theory, so I've started to believe that the Real World is just that. Real. But the Machines still have managed to control Zion as a place of Exile for the 1% of humans who don't accept the program. But they are still kept in check. If they see that the new version of the matrix is starting to falter thus creating the possibility of "the one" they go to plan B again. Kill everyone in Zion so that they won't know the truth, and orchestrate this whole game for the one to play, so that in the end he will make the choice to pick the few humans from the matrix and start zion a new thus perpetuating the cycle once again, so that the matrix can again see if it got its virtual world correct. If people don't reject it anymore, then the matrix has succeeded, and zion can be destroyed forever. But if not, it will always have a place for the exiles, so that it can keep them safe.
But the agents. If the matrix knows about Zion, why do agents try and stop the rebels. Well, maybe the Matrix tries to keep the rebels from tampering too much so it polices it with agents. It tells the agents only what they need to hear, so they do their job without question. So that it can keep rebel tampering to a minimum but still keeping the facade up for the rebels that they are free, even though they could be destroyed at any time.
But what seems to be the case here is that for every matrix that has been made, sentient programs have always jumped from one version to next as exiles themselves. Oracle, The marovingian, the twins, so on and so forth. And finally in this latest version there seems to be now too many sentient programs not wanting deletion, so in a sence theres a internal civil war going on as well. These programs have learned what it is to be human, and long for it, but know they can never have it. So some at least try to help the humans in it.
So as we see in Reloaded, we got a whole bunch of programs helping Neo in one way or other. The oracle, the key maker, Persephone. So, it can be seen that all is not well in the matrix. The architech ofcourse seemed very sure of himself, but if you think about it, he was either scared ****less that neo got so far so the only thing he could think of is to mind f*** Neo, in hopes of not getting killed. Or the architech was only acting normal because he has had no human contact. So he just blabs out stuff just as a program dispalys information. It says what will happen, but nothing can never be sure. It says Zion will be destroyed. But in truth it doesen't know that. But it thinks it does. And thats where the matrix does a mistake. It actually allows the choice, thinking that it doesen't matter what you do, because things are pre determined. Fate so to speak. Fate it itself has created for the people in the matrix. Becuase everything is coded before hand. But choice is what can brake fate. If a person knows his fate, he can change it.
This can connect to the first matrix where Neo first talks to the Oracle. Neo didn't like fate because he didn't like the feeling of not being in control of his life. So he likes choice. And the oracle even gave a very shrewd demostration of the Matrix's use of fate when she said "Don't worry about the vase." so Neo turns around and brakes it and said he was sorry. Then the Oracle smiles and says something like "What will really bake your noodle later on, is would you have broken it if I didn't say anything?"
So Neo was manipulated. He didn't realise that fate is only what is given in front of you, and you are the one to choose from it. Like morpheus said "Theres a difference in knowing the path, and walking the path." Life is what you make of it. You accept what is given to you, or you don't. A choice. But as we see the matrix hasn't grasped the concept. Some programs have because they've been amongst humans. But others who have been as long still dont. Like the Merovingian's whole causality speech. He thinks he knows what he's talking about, but he doesent. He still thinks like the mainframe. He thinks Cause and effect applies to human psychology too. So therefore it thinks humans can be manipulated. Becuase it thinks if it gives them a cause, they'll do something as an effect. Thus controlling them. Example: Cause= You jump off a roof. Effect= You fall to the ground and die. But the rebels have basically made the choice not to believe in the matrix rules, so they can "bend" the rules. So cause and effect doesen't apply to that anymore.
But you can't outright deny that it has worked. They still manage to control the humans in the matrix for the majority. Just like a magician controls an audience. They believe what they see, beucause the humans believe their eyes don't decieve. But if the audience can see how the magician does his trick. The next time he does it, they will know it and not believe it. So the matrix uses the fact that people are born in the matrix to its advantage. The humans will believe their world. Most of the time.
So in conclusion. The matrix believes it can control the humans that are hardwired, with the facade or reality. And it thinks it can control the freed humans with the facade of fate. The matrix is very smart. And thats where lies its largest flaw. It isn't human. It isn't humble. It doesen't savor the mystery. It believes everything can be explained by some mathematical calculation. Cause and effect, blah blah. When in the end, all it boils down to is the choices we make and the hope we keep. *sniff*
Ok. I don't think I've ranted like this for a while. Man... I wrote so much. Hope it makes sence to you guys. :D
*head explodes... Hopefully for the last time.*
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good post. And i think it's on the ball too.
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
good post. And i think it's on the ball too.
Sounds good to me. :nod:
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Wow. That was one hell of a post. Good reading, I might add :nod:
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Yeah good reading, but most of it is still speculation.
Ow, and btw, get Enter the Matrix! Cool game with a exclusive Matrix: Revolutions movie when you finish it. By the looks of it, it will be a nice part ;)
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Game seemed uber-meh to me. Felt pretty unpolished to me, but then again, its funner on hard.
4ce: :yes:
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Wow. That was one hell of a post. Good reading, I might add :nod:
I second that... not sure if I agree with it completely, but that's just a "wait and see what the 3rd movie shows us" thing. :p
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Game seemed uber-meh to me. Felt pretty unpolished to me, but then again, its funner on hard.
4ce: :yes:
They might've rushed it a wee bit, but still a very unique game ;) I liked the part where you can hack into the Matrix
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Originally posted by Tiara
They might've rushed it a wee bit, but still a very unique game ;) I liked the part where you can hack into the Matrix
true. I just felt like dying or spooning my eyes out during the car/flying levels though. :blah:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
true. I just felt like dying or spooning my eyes out during the car/flying levels though. :blah:
As Niobe it was... doable, but as Ghost... ARGH! Niobe AI can't drive damnit!
It ran into the same pillar 6 times! I mean.... come on!
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
It says what will happen, but nothing can never be sure. It says Zion will be destroyed. But in truth it doesen't know that. But it thinks it does. And thats where the matrix does a mistake. It actually allows the choice, thinking that it doesen't matter what you do, because things are pre determined. Fate so to speak. Fate it itself has created for the people in the matrix. Becuase everything is coded before hand. But choice is what can brake fate. If a person knows his fate, he can change it.
…which is also cause and effect. Only now there at least 2 possibilities. The architect then probably believed Neo’s emotion would force him to make a specific choice.
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Yeah, you got a point. The architech probably saw the way Neo has developed as "the one" and has calculated all the different ways he will react to the information he is given. So perhaps all the answers are there, but still the Matrix can never be sure which answer Neo will choose from. So the architech calculated which answers Neo will mostly likely make and picked the one one with the highest percentage. But still, he can't really be sure if Neo will do it. So he might have tried to enforce the choice he believed Neo would pick with the whole "You know what to do cause you allready decided" ploy. But it might have backfired. Or might not have. So we gotta wait to see what happens in Revolutions. But its still about choice in the end. We heaven't seen anything that would show that the Matrix has done any choosing. It has just followed a rutine. Build the matrix, make sure it works, have room for percentage of non-believers, if matrix fails, goto Plan B. Start over, learning from past mistakes.
Over and over.
This is slightly echoed in the little discussion between Neo and the old guy at Zion in the power plant where they look at all the machines. Neo says that they have the choice to turn them all off if they wanted to. But the old guy said that they would have to take into account all the damage that would do, so in fact, they don't have a choice, because if they did decide to turn them off, they'd die. So the matrix uses the same kind of thinking. Believing that humans would see the concequences of the choices and pick the one that would cause least damage. Like when the architech said that the previous Ones always picked the human race instead. And by mentioning it, is also a way of coercing Neo to pick it. But Neo had hope as well. So he picked the latter. to save Trininty.
We can trace this back to the 1st matrix again when Neo goes to save Morpheus. Tank says its suicide and its never been done before. And Neo says "thats why its going to work." Neo had hope as well as the fact that the matrix never saw it coming. It never calculated that a human would risk so much if it knew it was the One, to go and save a crew mate who was of less value. Neo didn't have to save morpheus, they could have just pulled the plug and things would have gone on. But by saving morpheus, I guess the matrix was thrown off balance a bit. Maybe just enough to alow Neo to reach his elightened state as the Matrix was still trying to figure out what the hell went wrong.
Yeah... There I go again... Man, I should watch the first movie again to see what else there is. This is all just coming from the top of my head...
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Just watched the real thing - it was quite late in Hungary - (by the way j-pop rocks, it fits darn good with Matrix actually *or did I watch too much Serila Experiments Lain - well if you thout MRel was a mind**** you ain't seen anything yet).
(They actually dubbed it! - and it was one of the few good dubs I ever saw in cinema - the rest were done by MTV1/MTV2 *national channels* 20 years ago, all the other dubs are ****ed up nowadays).
What people don't seem to catch is that it isn't the cycle that the system wants. What the architect aspired to create a structure for eternity - so the system does everything it can to do so - it hunts down as much of that 1% as it can.
I think the Oracle was the true mother of the Matrix - but in the process she got too involved with humans until she could no longer distance herself from them - and she discovered the fact that choice has on people.
This lead to the anomaly - the system was running superb - but the anomaly kept increasing like enthropy.
The system isn't in control of either Zion or its people. It can't conrolt the anomaly - but it can predict it.
Even if a One fails nothings happens - another one will come.
If Zion gets annihilated in the process-they have truly won- if another One arises, he may free some of the people - the cycle begins anew.
So in the end they managed to create the best Matrix - but the anomaly that enabled them to do so is beyond their grasp. All that the machines can do is prolong the anomaly's rise.
It seems that the architect couldn't escape fate itself - his worlds are sentenced to end.
I pretty much agree with waht Dark_4ce said except for that being in control.
The machines are not in control - they simply have the advantage of being able to predict, so they are always the more prepared part.
As for the Smith thing - he's jsut another anomaly. It seems more and more anomalies are intoduced into each incarnation of the Matrix, and they are forced to evolve throughout the process.
So in the end beside the evolution of the Ones they are allowed to live - just for the sake that they may come up with something that could counter the anomaly.
That's the same reason why the Ones are allowed to develop - they are the holders of the anomaly, and theri very person could lead to the understanding and contol of the anomaly.
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Originally posted by Tiara
As Niobe it was... doable, but as Ghost... ARGH! Niobe AI can't drive damnit!
It ran into the same pillar 6 times! I mean.... come on!
:wtf: They have a Lady Di AI?
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Dark_4ce: Dude, you're a genius. I'm e-mailing your posts to my Matrix-loving friends. Give us more!
Ivan: Harsh
Originally posted by Flaser
That's the same reason why the Ones are allowed to develop - they are the holders of the anomaly, and theri very person could lead to the understanding and contol of the anomaly.
Oh God... It's Dark City all over again :shaking:
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
:wtf: They have a Lady Di AI?
:lol:
No, it was far worse :p
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Oh God... It's Dark City all over again :shaking:
The Matrix IS Dark City all over again :lol: Didn't you notice the similarities before? :lol:
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Heres a little update on my theory on why the matrix allows for a Zion to be made each time the one is created. Watching Reloaded again I've noticed something more in what the Architech said. He said that Neo was a systemic anomaly, creating anomalies even in the most simplistic equations. Basically put, he's like a virus, breaking down the matrix. But I think its more with what he DOES that is the virus. What he's showing the people inside the matrix something they've never seen before, so they begin to question the matrix. And once these people question the matrix, the pass it on and so forth, creating a chain reaction that could destroy the entire matrix. So they exile the humans to zion, not only because they don't accept the program anymore, but because they are risk to the whole as well, they can spread the HOPE as well. And when things get too risky, they wipe them out entirely. Yet another reason and way for the matrix to control the people.
On a another topic, the mother of the matrix. I don't think its the Oracle. When Neo even replied with "The oracle" the architech went "Oh please." As if he thought Neo couldn't be serious. Who I think might be the Mother could very well be Persephone. She is an intuitive program associated with the Maerovingian who seems to believe he knows how the human mind works. But as you see him give his speech, you can see Persephone even look at the marovingian in a slightly sad way as if she was thinking "If only he knew how wrong he is."
This could be a reason why she helps Neo and Co. As for the kissing part... Well, if she was the mother, she probably created Neo in a way. She was the one who gave emotions to people. So maybe she wanted to try what her work was like. I dunno really. Or it could just be that she was really lonely.
Then theres the Key Maker. Well, I'm still trying to fit him in somewhere. He just seems to be someone who seems handy in getting the good guys out of a bad situation. Maybe thats all he really is. A cheat. As in a game cheat. The guy with all the keys to get them out.
Yeah, Dark City is VERY much like the Matrix. They even used many of the same sets, and even the whole dark feel and coloration is the same. But the goals of the enemies are different. Matrix was for the machines to keep things as they are and get rid of the anomaly or atleast then use it to their advantage. In Dark City, their whole goal was to find the one! The whole city was created for them to see what makes human minds tick. Both really good movies though. :D
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Heres a little update on my theory on why the matrix allows for a Zion to be made each time the one is created. Watching Reloaded again I've noticed something more in what the Architech said. He said that Neo was a systemic anomaly, creating anomalies even in the most simplistic equations. Basically put, he's like a virus, breaking down the matrix. But I think its more with what he DOES that is the virus. What he's showing the people inside the matrix something they've never seen before, so they begin to question the matrix. And once these people question the matrix, the pass it on and so forth, creating a chain reaction that could destroy the entire matrix. So they exile the humans to zion, not only because they don't accept the program anymore, but because they are risk to the whole as well, they can spread the HOPE as well. And when things get too risky, they wipe them out entirely. Yet another reason and way for the matrix to control the people.
Nice theory, but the architect also said that Neo had to choose several women and men to repopulate Zion. Now, if those people repopulate it, they cannot be exiles.
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Originally posted by karajorma
The Matrix IS Dark City all over again :lol: Didn't you notice the similarities before? :lol:
I heard something about them reusing some side-scenes (not sure this is the correct word) from dark city in the first matrix movie.
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Originally posted by Tiara
Nice theory, but the architect also said that Neo had to choose several women and men to repopulate Zion. Now, if those people repopulate it, they cannot be exiles.
Yeah good point. But that can be just to repopulate the "freed" humans. The ones born in Zion as free. So that the forth coming exiles from the matrix who "wake up" can have a place to go. Becuase there still seems to be a real world reason for Zion that might become apparent in the third movie. Like I mentioned before, if I would be in control of the matrix, I would just unplug any of the rejects and let them drown. Because they pose a risk to the whole, and letting them live would be a risk. But perhaps the matrix has morals we don't know of yet? Maybe deep down in its code it can't downright kill all the humans, because it was humans that created them?
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Originally posted by Tiara
the architect also said that Neo had to choose several women and men to repopulate Zion.
Good God, I've just had an idea :eek2:
Remember when Morpheus is telling Neo about the One, whom Neo is supposedly the reincarnation of? He says 'it was he who freed the first of us'... from a certain perspective, this would fit in perfectly with the One choosing a dozen pepole to repopulate Zion :nod:
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Good God, I've just had an idea :eek2:
Remember when Morpheus is telling Neo about the One, whom Neo is supposedly the reincarnation of? He says 'it was he who freed the first of us'... from a certain perspective, this would fit in perfectly with the One choosing a dozen pepole to repopulate Zion :nod:
heh, another piece of the puzzle that fits now.
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Neo's not a virus neither a holder of any computer code - the architect simply reached a level of understanding that he can treat people like machines - their functions are so understood.
Neo's only a culcimation of the process - each time the Matrix with the option of choice is rebooted there is an anomaly that leads to people who can see through it - because the anomaly = the chance for choice - is involved in all calculations, it will sooner or later bring down the entire system.
However there's a point when a person will be capable of freeing himself from the Matrix on his own - remember, no one woke up from the Matrix on their own, only the One would have the power to do so.
So when artifically choosing people and "exiling them", the machines can prolong the time, since the humans would pick the "faulty" on their onw, furthermore, the One can be caught early on in the process, so thereby they have the first true symptom of the anomaly in their hand - who can be forced to recreate the entire system with the power of the anomaly itself.
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Dude ****... GOD is Neo ....... (:p)!
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Actually the Kid freed himself without any help. You can see the whole story in the Animatrix, but its mentioned in the movie as well as Neo came back to Zion. There is also another Animatrix story with an athlete who pushes himself to the limit until he actually wakes himself up. And a nararator said that there are some who have the ablilty to push their awareness so far, that they can actually wake up.
Morpheus also said that they had freed more people in 6 months than they had in 6 years. This could mean that the matrix is also starting to falter as well after Neo was enlightened. He has somehow affected the rest of the population.
But your on to something...
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I loved how they worked tidbits in from the animatrix. Instantly knew who Noe's fanboy was :D
I wonder if they'll work in hints that refer to matriculated :cool:
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Yeah, I think they might throw in something about matriculated in the third movie. Cause it seems like the third movie will mostly take place in the real world. A hint can be in the Enter the Matrix little trailer for the 3rd movie where Morpheus says "He fights for us." in a shocked tone. We don't know exactly what he's reffering to, but it seems to be something he didn't expect would fight for them. And I think it would be DAMN cool to see Good squiddies fight against bad ones! :D
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Probably an AI in other words a machine - maybe they are forbidden to interfere with the Matrix - much like the way people are forbidden to mess with a nuclear rector - but they influence it with their own tools.
I guess some AIs were against enslaving humanity as a whole, or were against doing it against their will. After all they are another "nation"*s?:devil: * with many citizens.
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Yeah you got a point. Funny you should mention that as well, because in Matriculated, its about humans trying to turn the machines over to their side. There was a discussion about why can't they just re program them to serve them, but the scientist said that they can't be forced to serve them, but they must be turned over by their own free will. The machines must decide to join the human cause. But the real irony is that the humans do it by plugging the machines into a Matrix of their own, where the humans show the machines a false world, better than the world they are in, thus urging the machines to join their cause, to fight for that better life. And the machines do so, believing that they are fighting for a beautiful machine utopia, when in fact they are only fed lies and false reality.
An ironic echo on how the matrix controls humans.
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[Pot-smoking hippy voice]
It's deep man!
[/pot-smoking hippy voice]
:D :p
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i heared a story that morpehus is really "the one". im trying to figure out how this is possible.:doubt:
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I can see it now...
Neo looks at Morpheus thoughtfully and grabs his shoulder.
"Morhpeus, I have something to tell you..." Neo took a deep breath. "YOU are the one!"
Morpheus took a step back and shook his head in disbelief.
"No you're the one!" Morpheus said, grabbing onto something, to steady himself. Neo smiled.
"No, you da man!" Neo said.
"No, you da man!" Morpheus replied with a smile.
"You da man!"
"You da man!"
"WE da man!" Both of them said as the happy heroic music is qued and they stand in heroic poses.
Yeah.....:blah:
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Keanu and Lawrence's Most Excellent Adventure: The Acid Matrix
:D
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That would explain why Neo kept saying 'whoa' in the first one...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
That would explain why Neo kept saying 'whoa' in the first one...
hehe.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Keanu and Lawrence's Most Excellent Adventure: The Acid Matrix
:D
Just watch, they'll see how much money the Matrix Revolution makes and they'll make that.....
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Originally posted by deep_eyes
i heared a story that morpehus is really "the one". im trying to figure out how this is possible.:doubt:
No, Neo is the one... it's been said in the movie... if he wasn't the one, he wouldn't have been able to enter that door, destroy the agents, and talk to the architect...
he's definately "the one"... the whole controversy is that the prophesy is a lie... there is such thing as "the one" but he doesn't do what the prophecy says he'll do (namely end the attack on Zion)
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Stealth: Good concise summary. ;)
And how many of you stayed for the whole 10 minutes of credits to see the... *prepares to be attacked for not telling people sooner* ...Revolutions teaser? :D
*runs*
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I did... twice.
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OK Since this topic is still alive, can someone please tell me the name of the song that is played in Reloaded when Neo fights those masses of agents?
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What I'm really trying to figure out now is what relationship Smith now actually has with the Matrix. I mean, the agents don't seem to be his friends; thus he attacks one in the multiple Smith/Neo fight scene and overwrites him with Smith code. But he was preserved within Bane when he sabotaged the Zion blockade - so has he cut a deal with the Matrix?
Originally posted by Sandwich
Stealth: Good concise summary. ;)
And how many of you stayed for the whole 10 minutes of credits to see the... *prepares to be attacked for not telling people sooner* ...Revolutions teaser? :D
*runs*
:nod: Pretty cool, though a bit short. Can't wait to see how that Neo/Smith battle shapes up. :D
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Originally posted by Razor
OK Since this topic is still alive, can someone please tell me the name of the song that is played in Reloaded when Neo fights those masses of agents?
iirc, it's burly brawl
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Whoah...
How original...
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Zombie Morpheus: DIE!
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Originally posted by Sandwich
And how many of you stayed for the whole 10 minutes of credits to see the... *prepares to be attacked for not telling people sooner* ...Revolutions teaser? :D
I did the second time. First time I was in kind of a hurry afterwards... looked a lot better than any of the reloaded trailers I've seen.
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How I pitty you guys.... You haven't seen the exclusive trailer you get when you finish Enter the Matrix game :D
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yeah, first day i went (Thursday afternoon... first day it was out) after the movie everyone in the theater left except for like me, my two friends, and three people behind us... no one knew about the trailer :D :p
I must say, it really wasn't worth it... sit through 10-15 minutes of credits for a 45 second trailer
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Originally posted by Tiara
How I pitty you guys.... You haven't seen the exclusive trailer you get when you finish Enter the Matrix game :D
Hmm, let's see what Mr Kazaa has to say about that...
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Originally posted by Tiara
How I pitty you guys.... You haven't seen the exclusive trailer you get when you finish Enter the Matrix game :D
it looked like the same trailer as the one at the end of the movie to me...
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Originally posted by Stealth
yeah, first day i went (Thursday afternoon... first day it was out) after the movie everyone in the theater left except for like me, my two friends, and three people behind us... no one knew about the trailer :D :p
I must say, it really wasn't worth it... sit through 10-15 minutes of credits for a 45 second trailer
when I stayed, it was me, my three friends that I practically forced to stay, a parent and a brother of one of my friends, the cinema manager and some other pleb. of course, it's customary to storm out of the cinema as soon as the credits starts here in sweden...
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Just got the Revolutions trailer. Looks u83r 1337 :nod:
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Looks u83r 1337 :nod:
:wtf:
Mind saying that in ENGLISH ?
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FFS, you've been a forumite for years now. UBER. LEET. It's not that hard.
Anyway, ignorance aside I just watched the Osiris again. I'd forgotten how deeply cool it is.
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Ignore him diamond, he's just being an idiot. He knows what it means and is trying to be funny.
I stress, trying.
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Originally posted by Stealth
yeah, first day i went (Thursday afternoon... first day it was out) after the movie everyone in the theater left except for like me, my two friends, and three people behind us... no one knew about the trailer :D :p
I must say, it really wasn't worth it... sit through 10-15 minutes of credits for a 45 second trailer
Except for the day, that's exactly how it was with me and my friends. ;)
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Heh, yeah. I forced my friends to stay down too, while others were leaving. But then some poeple overheard my statement and decided to sit down again, and slowly the word spread I guess and some people even walked back to their seats just as they were exiting the theater. Then it hit me that it might not come in Finland, that they could have left it out, so when it finally came on screen, I was really happy, not that I got to see it, but that I wasn't going to get lynched. :D
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There were ads for the trailer up all over the cinema when we went to see it, so it wasn;t exactly secret. The only reason I didn't see it is that me and my brother had gone to a later show than we expected, and our ride was waiting (we ended up about half an hour late as it was)
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Ignore him diamond, he's just being an idiot. He knows what it means and is trying to be funny.
I stress, trying.
First I didn't figure out that with leet thing. I figured uber. Second. Me being an idiot? :blah: :doubt: Look who's talking....
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Yeah, me. The admin. Learn when to shut up before you put your foot in it.
Just a friendly reminder :)
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:lol:
Razor, another friendly reminder: You better not continue this, you won't win :p
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Yeah, me. The admin. Learn when to shut up before you put your foot in it.
Learn what you can and what you can not say to people.
Just a friendly reminder :)
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Originally posted by Tiara
:lol:
Razor, another friendly reminder: You better not continue this, you won't win :p
Perhaps not, but I can make sure you don't either.
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Originally posted by Razor
Perhaps not, but I can make sure you don't either.
:blah:
Wtf is that supposed to mean. I wasn't insulting you or something.
Meh,
*activates ignore list*
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Sighs...
Here Razor. A small taste of why I will not tolerate your attitude even if others do. I won't enter into discussion with you about this right now - I'm simply not in the mood - but you are not anything special around here. Learn it fast.