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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on May 18, 2003, 03:55:43 pm
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Anyone care to guess who this person is or what they do with their life?
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I don't really remember. Who is it?
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The corps is mother, the corps is father.
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Bester.
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we give up. tell us who it is.
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Some forum member?
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Thunder/Kilfierth?
Edit: Your bruv?
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the kid from wonder years...
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Someone with a stain on his collar?!?
He must be a proletariat, blue collar, you see.
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Walter Koenig, actor?
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You, sir, are a fool.:p
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Here's a hint: they're recently deceased.
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Deceased? But you said "what they do"... Not "what they did".
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Here's a hint: they're recently deceased.
oh god... i dare to ask... the latest suicide bomber?
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Originally posted by Turnsky
oh god... i dare to ask... the latest suicide bomber?
Bing!!
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he disgised himself as an orthodox jew didn't he?
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wow that's ****ed up... so, who'd he whack?
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Yep... he was a computer student, too. *sigh*
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one would think he'd actually have known better:doubt:
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Why, because he was a computer student? :wtf:
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actually, anyone should know better than to blow themselves to smithereens for political/religious motivation..:doubt:
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I saw this guy on television. They showed him reading from the Koran and showed him posing with his rifle afterwards... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
wow that's ****ed up... so, who'd he whack?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=294448&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
Couldn't find anything more precise (in English), sorry - darn JPost for going to (free) subscription-based service.
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same here...
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damn thats young.... what is the world coming to?
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Yep... he was a computer student, too. *sigh*
God... what can we say. That's a fallen world for you. :(
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Originally posted by Turnsky
actually, anyone should know better than to blow themselves to smithereens for political/religious motivation..:doubt:
That reminds me of that great Onion article.
Being a military sort, I don't have any trouble with people killing each other in combat. Blowing up civilians--no matter who you are, no matter what you think your justification is, no matter if its 'intended' or not-- is pretty fucked up.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Being a military sort, I don't have any trouble with people killing each other in combat. Blowing up civilians--no matter who you are, no matter what you think your justification is, no matter if its 'intended' or not-- is pretty fucked up.
Heh, thats your opinion. They think it isn't fucked up :p
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Well if I really believed I would be rewarded with 70 virgins and eternal paradise, I'd have give it some serious thought.
But hell, all they really get is to be a bloodstain.
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Originally posted by tEAbAG
Well if I really believed I would be rewarded with 70 virgins and eternal paradise, I'd have give it some serious thought.
But hell, all they really get is to be a bloodstain.
Just 70? :wtf:
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[color=66ff00]Hope you don't think this is aimed at you sandwich but this kinda opened my eyes a little:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1444.shtml
Two sides to every war... :sigh:
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The way I it see there is no need to have so many media people in places of such instability, or these things will continue to happen.
That said, is there is no media coverage, then the people at home could be told anything, and would have to believe it.
On the other (third) hand, this is most likely the case anyway.
I think it's better if I don't get involved.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Hope you don't think this is aimed at you sandwich but this kinda opened my eyes a little:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1444.shtml
Two sides to every war... :sigh:
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You decided that a website called 'electronicintifada' would offer a unbiased and clear view of the hostilities?! Notice the sites name.
If you want truth, www.honestreporting.com
That site details how a picture of a jew beat up by Palastiniens was used to suggest the Israeli policemen had beaten a palastinian boy up. Its the media who are making everyone hate Israel, have you noticed as Al-Queda are called terrorists group, yet Hamas is a militant group.
Looks for the flash animations as well.
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sorry, but I can't see how a pro-israel site can be unbiased either.
the site was founded by something called aish hatorah or something like that, which seems to be a sionistic movement. nothing wrong with that, but this "unbiased" news comes from one side of the fence.
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I merely offered the truth, nothing more or less.
HonestReporting is a fast-action website dedicated to ensuring that Israel receives fair media coverage. We scrutinize the worldwide media for anti-Israel bias, then alert and enable subscribers to respond directly to the news agency concerned. HonestReporting has over 50,000 members worldwide, and is growing daily.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I merely offered the truth, nothing more or less.
I'm seriously thinking of starting a website called "the unbiased and really true truth for dumb people who are smart enough to use google to find stuff to support their own biased views", but I think I'm gonna need a shorter name. honestreporting.com perhaps?
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I didn't find it on google, i typed in honestreporting to see what it would come up with. If you feel required to somehow suggest a bias(A Roman Catholic with no connection to israel or the Jewish community, other than often negative media reports) on my part, then there is nothing stopping you. To further insult me, is a testement to the lack of respect you have forced me to further develop.
The site merely points out, that most media outlets are biased in their anti-israeli newsreporting.
http://www.honestreporting.com/a/What_is_Bias.asp
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Originally posted by Zeronet
You decided that a website called 'electronicintifada' would offer a unbiased and clear view of the hostilities?! Notice the sites name.
If you want truth, www.honestreporting.com
That site details how a picture of a jew beat up by Palastiniens was used to suggest the Israeli policemen had beaten a palastinian boy up. Its the media who are making everyone hate Israel, have you noticed as Al-Queda are called terrorists group, yet Hamas is a militant group.
Looks for the flash animations as well.
[color=66ff00]This was the only (non Israeli + non BBC) site that I could find with most of the story. The whole story, all video evidence and the eye witnesses was shown in a documentary on channel4. There is little possibility that this could have been an accident as the video footage shows evidence that the Israeli who shot the journalist lied about the events surrounding the incident.
The Israeli authorities claim to be carrying out an investigation but will not accept the video footage or eye witness testimonies. The documentary also detailed the shooting of a palestinian cameraman which was less clear cut as a large portion of the eyewitnesses were palestinian.
I'm not trying to say the palestinians are good or that the Israeli's are evil, it's just that every news report that we see is about a suicide bomber killing Israelis. You rarely hear this kind of thing due to Israel's tight grip on news reporting. It kinda hits a nerve as you may all have at one time or another heard that the IRA blows up people in my country but you rarely hear that the loyalist terror groups kill with impunity, thanks to the BBC's 'honest' reporting.
There is no explaination other than murder for the british journalist's death, the facts were clear cut and the lies even more so. I don't ever post this kind of thing as I'm aware that a series of events can be cleverly manipulated by the press and I rarely trust news reports. Actually I realise now (a bit late eh?)that it's never a good idea to speak of this kind of thing, someone's always going to take it as 'you're on their side...'
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Actually you hear the Palastinian civilians caught in crossfire, all the time. Israel is a democracy, there is no tight grip on news reporting.
Though individual soldiers may make mistakes, or even do reprehenisble actions, to portray this as a IDF policy is too much. Though being called the 'British' Broadcasting company, its not suprising they are biased towards loyalists.
It was an Israeli autospy that found the bullet came from the direction it did too if i recall correctly.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Actually you hear the Palastinian civilians caught in crossfire, all the time. Israel is a democracy, there is no tight grip on news reporting.
Though individual soldiers may make mistakes, or even do reprehenisble actions, to portray this as a IDF policy is too much. Though being called the 'British' Broadcasting company, its not suprising they are biased towards loyalists.
It was an Israeli autospy that found the bullet came from the direction it did too if i recall correctly.
[color=66ff00]The Israeli pathologist found that the bullet had come from behind the journalist and was the result of palestinians firing at him. The Family of James Miller sent their own pathologist to verify this, he said that there could be no mistake that the bullet had indeed been fired from the front.
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I really don't know who to believe in that matter.
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[color=66ff00]If you really want to see something interesting type both of these into google:
James Miller journalist killing
James Miller journalist murder
The results show the level of bias, not least from the british tabloids who call it an outright, undisputed murder; very unbiased. :rolleyes:
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Any reporting agency that needs to call itself "honest", "balanced" or "unbiased" almost by definition is anything but.
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More than anything else, Israel and Palestine remind me of two squabling children. From the various reports I see and read, each side is as bad as the other.
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Palestinian terrorist should all be killed. What they do is wrong.
But Israel responds to that with state terror. The KNOWINGLY kill inocent civilians...As a state. If a soldier went beserk and killed a few civies, that's one thing.
But when Sharon ORDERS to wreck homes and kill people, that's a whole other thing. He should be sent to Haag for war crimes.
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hmmm, valid points there, i can't say i agree with them though...
it all has to do with your point of view...
sandy may or may not agree with me on this, but it all depends on which end of the rifle barrel you're on.... i'm sure sharon is doing his best to protect his people from those who wish them harm..
it's all a depressing subject really... it all depends on 'how close to home' it really is... infact, i was rather disturbed by the whole bali bombing thing simply because that area is practically on australia's front porch....
on-topic(sorta) Tasmania's been dubbed one of the safest places on earth...(yay for me) but no place is completely safe from people who wish to kill themselves(and others) to further the causes of others..(which really infuriates me)
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Originally posted by TrashMan
He should be sent to Haag for war crimes.
A). Its Den Haag (Den Hague for you english name twisters)
B). Why was it that they decided to ship all big ass criminals like Milosovic and such to holland? :p
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I merely offered the truth, nothing more or less.
Ick... be carefuly when you say you offer 'truth'. Absolute truth as most define it is impossible to achieve it... even the things we personally experience, one can never know. :no:
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Originally posted by Tiara
B). Why was it that they decided to ship all big ass criminals like Milosovic and such to holland? :p
You're the only folk mellow enough not to try and execute them.
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this is tiara you're talking to... remember?
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Originally posted by Turnsky
this is tiara you're talking to... remember?
[color=66ff00]Indeed, virtual beheadings every other post. :p
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:D
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Originally posted by Zeronet
If you want truth, www.honestreporting.com
While I agree with the opinions stated on that site, I completely understand people's reluctance to accept what that site states as true.
World Net Daily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com) is edited by an Arab American Christian... I know, go figure. ;) But what is people's opinions about their reporting?
Originally posted by TrashMan
But Israel responds to that with state terror. The KNOWINGLY kill inocent civilians...As a state. If a soldier went beserk and killed a few civies, that's one thing.
But when Sharon ORDERS to wreck homes and kill people, that's a whole other thing. He should be sent to Haag for war crimes.
Wreck homes, yes. The homes demolished are either illegal buildings, homes of the families of suicide bombers, or houses that have been used to snipe at IDF positions in the past. And AFAIk, the only time homes have been toppled on top of people have been when armed terrorists were holed up and under seige in the building. AFAIK, in such cases, there have been no other civillians inside the buildings.
But kill civillians? Show me. The only orders I ever got to that effect were as follows:
- If someone with capability (weapon) and intent is threataning your life, or the lives of civillians or fellow soldiers around you, shoot to kill.
- If there is a riot or protest of Palestinians near your position/post, from which accurate and life-threatning shots are being fired towards you or your fellow soldiers, you are only allowed to open fire if you have positively identified the source of the gunfire. If said source is hiding behind women or children, you are still allowed to shoot to kill, even if it means the injury or death of said woman/child being used as a human shield.
Also, is this the best place to inject that the Israeli security forces have successfully prevented at least one major terrorist attack per day since the beginning of the year? These arrests are usually not publicized in the international media, by the way. :-/
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Both the israelies and palestinians need to get their s**t together and accept that they are gonna live side by side for a long time. The Palestinian must stop with their terroristattacks and the israelies must give back the land that they have occupied for so long time.
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Originally posted by Pez
...and the israelies must give back the land that they have occupied for so long time.
Quite a long time, true... like, 6000-odd years, or way before the existance of any Palestinians.
:hopping: ... nahh, too forceful....
:rolleyes: :sigh: :hopping: ... much better. :D
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Quite a long time, true... like, 6000-odd years, or way before the existance of any Palestinians.
Don't give me that crap ;) You know, and I know that argument doesn't hold up. Just because a people once have had territory somewhere doesn't mean that it is theirs forever.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
The way I it see there is no need to have so many media people in places of such instability, or these things will continue to happen.
That said, is there is no media coverage, then the people at home could be told anything, and would have to believe it.
On the other (third) hand, this is most likely the case anyway.
I think it's better if I don't get involved.
hmm, wel I go with the 1st and 3rd one, there are so much media coverage they made the friggan War On Terror look like a friggan reality show with every news channel showing it for 24/7, hell with the war going on I never got to hear the important stuff on the news that localy concerns me! :mad2:
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Originally posted by Pez
Don't give me that crap ;) You know, and I know that argument doesn't hold up. Just because a people once have had territory somewhere doesn't mean that it is theirs forever.
Erm, then that applies to the Palestinians too. :p
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Originally posted by Styxx
Erm, then that applies to the Palestinians too. :p
what pez said earlier, both sides need to get ther **** together.
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Originally posted by kode
what pez said earlier, both sides need to get ther **** together.
It'd be a stinky business IMO :p
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Originally posted by Pez
Don't give me that crap ;) You know, and I know that argument doesn't hold up. Just because a people once have had territory somewhere doesn't mean that it is theirs forever.
How about this one, maybe the Arab nations shouldn't of INVADED ISRAEL and then maybe Israel wouldn't have all this 'occupied land'(heck the only reason Israeli troops are even in Palastinian towns are because of the damn suicide bombers). Israel got that extra land in a defensive war, against aggressors. Heck, they even offered to give 80%+ of that land back in the Oslo agreement, but Arafat wouldn't accept it.
Don't agree with Settlements though, a lot of them need giving up for this thing to work.
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Originally posted by Pez
Don't give me that crap ;) You know, and I know that argument doesn't hold up. Just because a people once have had territory somewhere doesn't mean that it is theirs forever.
Which is the argument the Palestinians are using - "we were here already!"
And Zeronet seems to have silenced all objections. ;)