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Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 29, 2003, 07:29:41 am
This is the place to discuss what mecha - or why no mecha - you would take to a battlefield.
Same goes for guns/rifles...ect.
Title: ESCAFLOWNE!
Post by: TrashMan on May 29, 2003, 07:50:37 am
Naturally!
(http://www.escaflowneonline.com/images/01-13.jpg)

Fast, cool looking, has a big sword, shoulder mounted crystal-beam cannons, can teleport itself anywhere....;7

Allso it has "realistic" controls and the power of atlantis.....And can change into a dragon...and has a hyper-jet engine of a sort...
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Fineus on May 29, 2003, 07:55:02 am
EVA Unit 3 (or was it 4?). It's black.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 08:00:05 am
I don't know much about this sort of thing, but I'd take an Atlas, from the MechWarrior series.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Pera on May 29, 2003, 08:00:51 am
This probably doesn't qualify as "mecha", but I'd take it(the real plane, that is): (http://www.wingsontheweb.com/vhangar/images/fockewulf_190-8.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: kasperl on May 29, 2003, 08:05:19 am
well, for a rifle, i'd take some sort of AK, becasue of reliability. (i mean the russian made AK's, not the Chinese budget variant). for some futuristic space thingy, GVB Sekmeth.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: silverwolf on May 29, 2003, 08:13:40 am
wing zero but not the endless waltz version
bt if not thatheavy arms from endless waltz
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 08:20:05 am
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Originally posted by Pera
This probably doesn't qualify as "mecha", but I'd take it(the real plane, that is):
(Image of Fw190)
 


Is it me or does that plane look very small, like a model?

Anyway, for a rilfe I'd take that new H&K one that uses cartrdgless ammo and can reach 2200rpm, i'd give the name, but my book has disappeared.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on May 29, 2003, 08:50:15 am
I hate robots. I'll take an SR 71 or a B2. F 117 A stinks.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Styxx on May 29, 2003, 09:10:41 am
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Originally posted by Razor
I'll take an SR 71...


What would you do with that, watch the battle? :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Shrike on May 29, 2003, 09:14:40 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Anyway, for a rilfe I'd take that new H&K one that uses cartrdgless ammo and can reach 2200rpm, i'd give the name, but my book has disappeared.
G-11.  At almost two decades old it's not new any more. ;)
Title: Re: ESCAFLOWNE!
Post by: Flaser on May 29, 2003, 09:19:59 am
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Naturally!
(http://www.escaflowneonline.com/images/01-13.jpg)

Fast, cool looking, has a big sword, shoulder mounted crystal-beam cannons, can teleport itself anywhere....;7

Allso it has "realistic" controls and the power of atlantis.....And can change into a dragon...and has a hyper-jet engine of a sort...


Quite a dangerous choice - whatever happens to the melef, happens to the pilot as well...
Well same goes for Evas anyway...except that those things have a mind of their own as well.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: IceFire on May 29, 2003, 09:34:22 am
Cybrid Adjudicator. Don't have any screen captures of it that are good...but that was one mean looking HERC (and nobody should laugh in the face of twin particle beams and rail guns).
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Unknown Target on May 29, 2003, 11:02:10 am
The VF-0, with my own thermonuclear engines :D


(http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/zero/vf-0-battroid.jpg)

(http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/zero/vf-0-fighter.jpg)

(http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/zero/vf-0-gerwalk.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 11:41:46 am
{Vader voice} Impressive. Most Impressive{/Vader voice}
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: an0n on May 29, 2003, 11:52:20 am
The Macross.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 29, 2003, 12:16:08 pm
Weaponry, eh? Okey dokey:



Oh, and prolly a M41-A Pulse Rifle, 10mm explosive tipped caseless, with over and under 30mm pump-action grenade launcher, just for good luck :)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: redsniper on May 29, 2003, 12:17:06 pm
Daishi Battlemech;7  and a PSG-1 rifle in case I eject or something

EDIT: and the Lucifer too
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 12:18:07 pm
What about some sort of wrist-mounted weapon?

You can never be too heavily armed.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: an0n on May 29, 2003, 12:27:26 pm
For weaponry, nothing beats the Genesis Device.

But just to be extra-sure, I'd have a ****-load of Borg implants. Shields, disruptor arm, internal transporter nodes, nano-probe tubules.......
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 29, 2003, 12:32:24 pm
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
What about some sort of wrist-mounted weapon?

Ah yes, I forgot the digi-lasers
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Martinus on May 29, 2003, 12:48:58 pm
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Originally posted by an0n
For weaponry, nothing beats the Genesis Device.
 

[color=66ff00]Word.
That thing owned. Somehow I think you might edit the matrix to convert target planet into a planet full of suggestive, extremely open minded women.

Personally, as far as weapons/ships go, I'd simply settle for a lightsaber and a gunstar.
[/color]
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 12:52:07 pm
Really I'd settle for the up-rooted sign post.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 29, 2003, 12:55:55 pm
Armor/Mecha:

1. An Evangelion - but that's way overkill for anything else than another Eva
2. Thor/Summoner battlemech with 2 ERPPC and a Ultra-20 Autocannon, boosted with double heatsinks and good jump jets - firepower alone won't be enough. *The Madcat is too unvieldy once it's out of LRMs, if you go for PPC it gets too specialized*
3. Adamantium skeletal enhancement, with microfibral muscles. Underskin shockpads.
Black/Grey camo painted titanium power armor with a jumpjet - the whole fission powered. Built in lifesupport system with auto-medication and liquid type O2 intermediate both for high depth dive and no air environments.
Adavanced sensors and onboard battlecomputer with targeting assist.
2 liter backpack inside armor - otional part - with insulation/8 liter backpack without protection.
The armor's designed to deflect bullets, overall protection is moderate - like high grade bulletproof wear - to keep mobility.
Motion assist bent on high speed, therefore is also less protected.

Weapons - only for the 3'rd option:
Blades and like:
-A Katana with waterproof casing on the back or the right hip.
-Adamantium wristblade in right forearm - surgically implanted, with armor modification for release.
-The armor's edges - elbow and knee casing - all suited for blow and cut damage.
-Bite - for last ditch efforts. *The helmet is rather skin tight*

Guns and like:
-Dragunov with silencer and low-light scope for long range, also on shoulder, with the barrel removed - assembled before engagement. Depleted uranium indencendary bullets.
-Custom built .66 Deset Eagle with dual magazine - for depleted uranium indencendary bullets, and explosive/acid filled bullets. Each magazine holds 6 bullets. Can only be used with motion assist, too heavy/unwieldy for common use. Holstered near left hip.
-HK-G11E for prolonged bushwhack engagement - otpional arnament - mounted on the back/right hip/hanging from the neck on a strap.

3kg C-4 against bunkers or heavy armor, in the backpack - optional arnament.

4 days ration and 1 liter water in the backpack, 0.5 in gourd, 5 liters inside the armor's lifsupport system. Anti-bact. capsules for creating more drink water.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Martinus on May 29, 2003, 01:00:56 pm
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Really I'd settle for the up-rooted sign post.

[color=66ff00]I like your style; a good old fashioned bludgeoning device, widely available and in a myriad of shapes, designs and colours.
[/color]
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Carl on May 29, 2003, 01:11:38 pm
alright, but you brought it upon yourselves.

(http://www.angelfire.com/al/AltheGal/images/dmegaz.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 01:15:01 pm
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Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]I like your style; a good old fashioned bludgeoning device, widely available and in a myriad of shapes, designs and colours.
[/color]


Indeed, double ended, too, if tou take the concrete base.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: The Claw on May 29, 2003, 01:58:11 pm
Mk1 IDACA Powered Combat Armour, a 45 mm Slug Thrower, Plus HS Shield and a bastard sword, toledo steel/ titanium.
 All my own design ;)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: mikhael on May 29, 2003, 03:13:40 pm
Bah. Xenogears or the main character's mecha from Hades: Project Zeorymer.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Knight Templar on May 29, 2003, 04:32:51 pm
A big enough bat'leth would own you all.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 04:42:18 pm
What? 15 miles long?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Knight Templar on May 29, 2003, 04:44:24 pm
whatever it takes...
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on May 29, 2003, 04:57:01 pm
*drumroll*

*lifts curtain*

*presents her two beauties*

TDX-01X Thunder Axe
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Tiara/axemech.gif)
TDX-02L Thunder Axe
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Tiara/axemech2.gif)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 29, 2003, 05:01:01 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Tiara
*presents her two beauties*

:eek2:

*sees picture*

*is disapointed*
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on May 29, 2003, 05:03:51 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer

:eek2:

*sees picture*

*is disapointed*


:rolleyes:

Men... *deep sigh*
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 05:11:15 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer

:eek2:

*sees picture*

*is disapointed*


:lol:

Excellent work there Miss T. (Mrs. TCO?)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on May 29, 2003, 05:18:49 pm
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Originally posted by Styxx


What would you do with that, watch the battle? :p


Make room for a nuke and drop it over yer head.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on May 29, 2003, 05:20:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB

Excellent work there Miss T. (Mrs. TCO?)

Ow, no, I'm not taking credit as I didn't make 'm. Dunno who did though :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on May 29, 2003, 05:23:11 pm
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Originally posted by Tiara


TDX-01X Thunder Axe
http://www.swooh.com/peon/Tiara/axemech.gif
TDX-02L Thunder Axe
http://www.swooh.com/peon/Tiara/axemech2.gif


Pff..your harmless axes are no match for me.
*Nukes the Axe-o-bot. :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on May 29, 2003, 05:26:02 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Carl
alright, but you brought it upon yourselves.

[img]http://www.angelfire.com/al/AltheGal/images/dmegaz.jpg


Is that some zord or something?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 29, 2003, 05:29:05 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Razor


Pff..your harmless axes are no match for me.
*Nukes the Axe-o-bot. :p


Neither is your nuke for my Evangelion - nothing made by mortal hands can shatter my Absolute Terror field, the divine light of a soul.
Beside even if you drop it on my land, it would be little solace since my power would unleash and infernal fury on your land, and hunt down your kind 'til enternity.

We're not one, neither a unison, yet the complex realtion between human and eva are comparable only to something of divine origin.

(http://users.freestart.hu/szandtner/pic211880.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 05:31:12 pm
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Hitchhikers' Guide
Very deep. You should send that in to the Readers' Digest. They've got a page for people like you.


:D
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on May 29, 2003, 05:37:16 pm
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Neither is your nuke for my Evangelion - nothing made by mortal hands can shatter my Absolute Terror field, the divine light of a soul.Beside even if you drop it on my land, it would be little solace since my power would unleash and infernal fury on your land, and hunt down your kind 'til enternity. We're not one, neither a unison, yet the complex realtion between human and eva are comparable only to something of divine origin


Pffff. :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: redsniper on May 29, 2003, 05:38:33 pm
forget what I said about driving a Daishi
Metal Gear RAY all the way baby!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 05:38:34 pm
I'll take a Krogoth, anyday!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Shrike on May 29, 2003, 05:39:17 pm
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Originally posted by Flaser
Neither is your nuke for my Evangelion - nothing made by mortal hands can shatter my Absolute Terror field, the divine light of a soul.
How about a 180 MW positron gun?  Or an Effector?  Or a visual-band laser?  Saying your invulnerable just makes you the first target.  :devil:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on May 29, 2003, 05:40:55 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
I'll take a Krogoth, anyday!


This one?
(http://robyrt.coolserver.net/artkrogoth1.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 05:41:57 pm
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Originally posted by Razor


This one?


Yes. That one, but I'd rather have it in blue.:p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: redsniper on May 29, 2003, 05:42:29 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Flaser
Neither is your nuke for my Evangelion

How about 10,000 nukes ;7
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Martinus on May 29, 2003, 05:46:27 pm
Quote
Originally posted by redsniper
forget what I said about driving a Daishi
Metal Gear RAY all the way baby!

[color=66ff00]Meh, I took out like - six of those with nothing but a ration and a rocketlauncher.
[/color]
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 29, 2003, 05:48:01 pm
No not invulnurable, far from it...
Ever had a bad day?
How about Second Impact - The southern polarcap melts or evaporates, sea levels rise, half the planet's population gets wiped out, and halved once again by the subsequent wars...bad day indeed.
...and these things were cloned from the very thing responsible for that thing.
So I don't say invulnurable - even a nuke would be a major trouble for an Eva pilot, but when you have power akin to gods...one begins to wonder.
You better take some serious firepower - that positron thing sounds good - though in the series it took the entire power capacity of Japan just to get through an AT field.
Did I mention that Angels managed to screw an Eva-pilots mind?
Well those were Angels, yet Eva is well - almost an Angel...one begins to wonder.

BTW anyone interested watch Neon Genesis Evangelion *aka Shin Seiki Evangelion*
here's a linky for info:http://www.lwhy.clara.net/nge/

Evas are far from being all powerfull - especially since most run on a power cable, still - for 5 minutes, you better consider avoiding confrontation altogether - or meet a damon from hell...
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Turnsky on May 29, 2003, 05:48:50 pm
you used a ration?:wtf:



Pansy
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 29, 2003, 05:51:01 pm
Quote
Originally posted by redsniper

How about 10,000 nukes ;7


You're no fun - though I wonder, how you gona deliver that and still get back in one piece.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Martinus on May 29, 2003, 05:54:46 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Turnsky
you used a ration?:wtf:



Pansy

[color=66ff00]Actually I'm not that gifted at playing games so by comparison to you; who probably killed them all with one shot from your handgun, playing only by smell, I did a great job. :p
[/color]
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 29, 2003, 06:02:15 pm
Favorite weapon is the one at hand when I need it. After all, with the exception of the weapon the other guy has, everything else is more or less irrelevant, isn't it?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 29, 2003, 06:08:49 pm
Ah, there she is. Ya wee beauty:

(http://stebetojas.hypermart.net/pulserifle.gif)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 06:12:07 pm
Made the paper one yet, DG?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 29, 2003, 06:13:04 pm
Nope. Working instead, God help me. Anyway:

Quote
Originally posted by Carl
alright, but you brought it upon yourselves.

http://www.angelfire.com/al/AltheGal/images/dmegaz.jpg


(http://rwo.crosswinds.net/dragonzord.gif)

I am win!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 29, 2003, 06:13:53 pm
Paper makes for a lighter stock and muzzle, and hence very high recoil. Also, it tends to catch fire. I don't recommend it.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on May 29, 2003, 06:43:06 pm
if it's just about efficiency, I'll take the Gunbuster anytime. no, thinking about it, a moldiver unit actually :D
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 29, 2003, 06:44:57 pm
What about a Krikkit War Robot Multifunctional Battle Club?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: redsniper on May 29, 2003, 06:53:49 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]Meh, I took out like - six of those with nothing but a ration and a rocketlauncher.
[/color]

yeah but they look really cool;7

EDIT:
Quote
Originally posted by Flaser


You're no fun - though I wonder, how you gona deliver that and still get back in one piece.

ICBMs of course
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Kamikaze on May 29, 2003, 07:02:20 pm
I'd take KOS-MOS from Xenosaga, not only does she pack insane firepower, she can clean dishes :p

(http://ruliweb.intizen.com/data/review/2002/xenosaga/05.jpg)

(http://www.namco-xenosaga.com/gallery/screenshots/images/XIDscreenshot05.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on May 29, 2003, 07:10:00 pm
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Originally posted by Kamikaze


http://www.namco-xenosaga.com/gallery/screenshots/images/XIDscreenshot05.jpg[/img]



AWWW ain't she cute? *Jumps high, and kicks the little lady in the head and breaks her neck. Mmmatrix. :D



Quote
I am win!


You are still watching power rangers? :lol: God help you.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: neo_hermes on May 29, 2003, 07:27:32 pm
Burning GUNDAM OWNZ
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 29, 2003, 08:10:44 pm
How about this one from Full Metal Panic:
The Arbalest - and just like Escaflowne this one has a realistic control as well.
(http://users.freestart.hu/szandtner/arbalest.jpg) (http://users.freestart.hu/szandtner/arbalest2.jpg) (http://users.freestart.hu/szandtner/arbalest4.jpg) (http://users.freestart.hu/szandtner/arbalest5.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on May 29, 2003, 08:27:57 pm
yeah, the arbalest is cool, but the Venom owns ( guess why :p )
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: YodaSean on May 29, 2003, 09:54:25 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Styxx


What would you do with that, watch the battle? :p


I read a book written by a guy who helped design the SR-71, one of the things he talked about was an "energy bomb" they though up of; basically they would put a big steel weight on the plane and drop it on  something going at mach 3, the effect would be like getting hit with some sort of meteorite :drevil:
Title: Re: Re: ESCAFLOWNE!
Post by: TrashMan on May 30, 2003, 03:01:51 am
Quote
Originally posted by Flaser


Quite a dangerous choice - whatever happens to the melef, happens to the pilot as well...
Well same goes for Evas anyway...except that those things have a mind of their own as well.


Bah... Just teleport away from the danger....
Danger? Better slice it two halfs..
Or use the power of Atlantis to blow the freakin planet..
(http://www.escaflowneonline.com/images/01-13.jpg) :devil:

EDIT: Didn't you say EVAs were made by Lucifers DNA? Since when do Angels/Devils have bodies? And since when is their power in their body?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on May 30, 2003, 08:13:40 am
Quote
Originally posted by YodaSean


I read a book written by a guy who helped design the SR-71, one of the things he talked about was an "energy bomb" they though up of; basically they would put a big steel weight on the plane and drop it on  something going at mach 3, the effect would be like getting hit with some sort of meteorite :drevil:


That's practically like a nuclear strike. Well depending on the size of course. :drevil:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: tEAbAG on May 30, 2003, 09:11:26 am
A Black Mamba from Heavy Gear II would rock!

(http://homepage2.nifty.com/seyfert/rpg/dp9/gearimage/b_mamba.gif)

I would also need a H&K GR9C

(http://www.hkpro.com/image/gr9w.jpg)

And the amazing little FN P90

(http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90.jpg)

BTW, DG you wouldn't want a .50 Deagle; them things really hurt your wrist until you really get used to it.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 30, 2003, 09:16:50 am
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Originally posted by tEAbAG

And the amazing little FN P90

(http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90.jpg)
 


Wait a minute! I thought the P90 was an SMG, and so fired pistol rounds. So what are those rifle rounds doing there?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: tEAbAG on May 30, 2003, 09:27:50 am
The 5.7x28mm SS190 round is kinda a cross between 9mm and 5.56 NS.  Designed to prevent overpenatration, though I think it can go through like 7 layers of kevlar at 15 m.  Its used in a few pistols too, but I forget which.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 30, 2003, 09:29:04 am
How queer. I thought it used bullnosed ammo, but they are definietly the pointy rifle ammo vareity.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Mr Carrot on May 30, 2003, 09:40:55 am
TBh you all loose vs

(http://www.arwyn.homestead.com/files/van_road.jpg)

You have no chance to survive make your time.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: an0n on May 30, 2003, 09:47:39 am
I've changed my mind. I'd have the ultra-bot thingy from Transformers. Y'know, the huge purple-green thingy that was like 50 times the size of a normal transformer.

I can't remember what it was called though.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Mr Carrot on May 30, 2003, 10:12:02 am
Skorpinox?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 30, 2003, 11:18:58 am
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Originally posted by an0n
I'd have the ultra-bot thingy from Transformers. Y'know, the huge purple-green thingy that was like 50 times the size of a normal transformer.

I can't remember what it was called though.

You're thinking of the Constructicons, a team of Decepticons that could combine in to Devestator. The trouble is that they thought they might one day turn to the dark side (which they later did) and built a flaw in to Devestator whereby he'd be completely and utterly gormless and barely able to think. Lucky for the Autobots, no?

Now Skorpinox, IIRC, was the Decepticons' base, like the Autobots' Fortress Maximus or Metroplex. When needed, he'd transform in to a gigantic robot o' death.


Quote
Originally posted by Razor
You are still watching power rangers? :lol: God help you.

Er, no, I simply have a memory longer than that of the average goldfish and Dragonzord was the best thing about that show. Still, thanks for wishing for God to help me, I appreciate the gesture :nod:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Carl on May 30, 2003, 01:06:39 pm
pfft. the megazord is 22% more powerful than the dragonzord. it could own it, and it did.

dragon megazord ownz both.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Gortef on May 30, 2003, 01:08:26 pm
this is something that's hard for me to decide...
meh, I'll just pick up something by random

Gundam Wing Zero...
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: TrashMan on May 30, 2003, 01:14:35 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Mr Carrot
TBh you all loose vs

(http://www.arwyn.homestead.com/files/van_road.jpg)

You have no chance to survive make your time.


AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!:nervous:

The A-Team!
A couple of tards with a big gold-luving black gorrila!!!!
(Just kiddind, don't kill me Stu!)

Anyway!:
(http://www.escaflowneonline.com/images/01-13.jpg)
I'm thinking of putting this pic in my siggy! LUV IT!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Mr Carrot on May 30, 2003, 01:18:59 pm
I think some people are neglecting the ancient laws of the VBB!!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 30, 2003, 01:44:59 pm
Trashman, Van couldn't truly use the power of Atlantis, it was Hitomi who did it unconsciously; with the pendant's help - it was part of the original wish machine, while Escaflowne was built with the technology of Atlantis.
It was the unison of Escaflowne and the pendant - the dragon and the orcale, and meanwhile Hitomi was actually creating the future through her prophecies - which were influenced by her anxion, creating bad events.
The mecha simply had a connection with old powers, so could be forced into unbeliveable events, but it was not its own power.
Furthermore Van had dragonblood - I have doubts about you...
Furthermore Van did get beaten up - and by the time he mastered the melef he was so connected to it, that it almost shallowed him.

As for the questions about the Evas - read the info on the following page:
http://www.lwhy.clara.net/nge
In short - Lucifer was an angel too - he has simply fallen from grace. Most Evas are based on the first Angel's DNA found at Anctartica - he later blow up the continent - but they don't posses an S2 organ, so they have to be externally powered.
I prefer more complex - and less brutal - methods to achieve my goals, so I choose another ancestor for my Eva.
That bad blood may be my downfall, but what the heck, at least I'll have a more entertaining company (I mean my Eva). I wonder how the LCL is gona fit into the scheme.

[edit - urgh, wrong URL - now fixed]
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 30, 2003, 02:30:45 pm
Quote
Originally posted by TrashMan
I'm thinking of putting this pic in my siggy!

Please don't
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: TrashMan on May 30, 2003, 03:14:34 pm
As I recall, Van was left with the pendant in the end...:D
Dragonblood? Well, you can't be sure, can't you.....

EVA's  - I have nothing against Evangelion, but I find robots built from angels/devils DNA a stupidity... Since I belive angels have no body and no DNA...
Nice show overall....
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 30, 2003, 04:42:32 pm
Evangelions are not robots - they are not even mechanical.
They are completely organic - moreover their armor doesn't even there to protect them...watch episode 19.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: neo_hermes on May 30, 2003, 04:49:28 pm
:nervous:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Kamikaze on May 30, 2003, 06:14:43 pm
Quote
Originally posted by TrashMan
As I recall, Van was left with the pendant in the end...:D
Dragonblood? Well, you can't be sure, can't you.....

EVA's  - I have nothing against Evangelion, but I find robots built from angels/devils DNA a stupidity... Since I belive angels have no body and no DNA...
Nice show overall....


these aren't biblical angels of any sort, it has been stated over and over.... the religious naming scheme was simply for aesthetics. It so happens that many Japanese people have no idea about christianity (as was the case with me) and a foreign terminology could seem bizarre and interesting.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Corhellion on May 30, 2003, 06:59:33 pm
Pffft...

Who needs machines!

*unleashes a Xenomorph hive on the forum members...except the admins*

Ah...claws sharper than a katana, acid for blood, can kill anything, what could be better!

...maybe a predator clan...meh

Cor
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 30, 2003, 07:13:27 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Kamikaze


these aren't biblical angels of any sort, it has been stated over and over.... the religious naming scheme was simply for aesthetics. It so happens that many Japanese people have no idea about christianity (as was the case with me) and a foreign terminology could seem bizarre and interesting.


Actually, no, they do have an idea - more than what people know of shintoism and buddhism.

As for the names - it's rather a not too precise translation.
Stoudo was the original which meant Apostle - each of them chellenged NERV in their own way and forced them to become better. The Evas are Evangelions - this comes from Evangelist, bringers of the New Evangelium - which is the title actually.
Beside that there are only a couple of references with the actual judeau-christian religion, but the characters phylosophy a lot about God in general and his idea of humans.
Moreover they also question the very ethic of their fight, and the morale of the tools used for the creation of Eva - from the remains of the first "Angel" encountered.
Once again all I can say is check this site before commenting on Eva any more:
http://www.lwhy.clara.net/nge
Beside this topic is seriously not connected with mecha/weapons in general, so if you really want to discuss it, create another thread - or tell me to do it, if you're too lazy *not against you Kamikaze, just in general* or whatever.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Shrike on May 30, 2003, 07:26:46 pm
Quote
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Please don't
Siggy images aren't allowed anyhow.  They annoy me.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 31, 2003, 07:10:44 am
Quote
Originally posted by Corhellion
...maybe a predator clan...meh

Oh yes, that's what I forgot - me combi-stick and net gun :)

Mmm, skullz...
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 31, 2003, 07:10:44 am
What in the hell? A double post? I'm sure this isn't my fault... *blames Petrarch*
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Dark_4ce on May 31, 2003, 07:58:38 am
Hmmm... Well, I would invoke the mightiest weapon of all!

!!! NI !!!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 08:00:45 am
I can counter that!

!!IT!!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: RangerKarl on May 31, 2003, 08:01:57 am
^^I don't get it^^

I, for one, would pick the VF-22s SturmVogel. I'm too lazy to hunt down pictures.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 08:05:50 am
Quote
Originally posted by RangerKarl
^^I don't get it^^
 


Suffice to say, this is the one word the Knights of NI cannot hear!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Dark_4ce on May 31, 2003, 08:09:41 am
Ah foiled, but alas I have a secondary weapon!

*Tosses holy hand grenade of Antioch.*
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 08:11:47 am
Noooooo!

I can remember all that counting to 3 thing off by heart!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: RangerKarl on May 31, 2003, 08:11:49 am
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


Suffice to say, this is the one word the Knights of NI cannot hear!


Actually I was writing the reply when you posted, so I didn't see your it. Maybe I shoulda capitalized.....
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 31, 2003, 11:30:03 am
That's it, I'm getting one of these (http://www.frenchcreekboatsales.com/details.asp?File_Number=BOP12)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 11:47:12 am
Quote
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
That's it, I'm getting one of these (http://www.frenchcreekboatsales.com/details.asp?File_Number=BOP12)


Pffff, I'm going to buy the Nimitz when they decommission it.
And the Ark Royal is going to be mothballed, so I might have to er... salvage it.

Another chance to link to www.rusarm.ru methinks.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Dark_4ce on May 31, 2003, 12:46:19 pm
You think they'll allow me to pay monthly on a Mig-29?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 12:48:10 pm
You could always ask.

Watch some of the videos for the tanks and stuff. They have the most inappropriate music I've ever heard. Try the T-90S video for example.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 31, 2003, 03:46:24 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Dark_4ce
You think they'll allow me to pay monthly on a Mig-29?

Get a Berkut. It's evil.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: TrashMan on May 31, 2003, 04:20:21 pm
No.....NNN... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....

*fights the urge to post another Escaflowne pic!*;7
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 04:40:00 pm
Don't you just want an Ekranoplan?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on May 31, 2003, 04:59:29 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Don't you just want an Ekranoplan?


what for? I'd prefer a real plane or a real boat I s'pose.mmh, that said, no. a real boat is nowhere near as cool.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: neo_hermes on May 31, 2003, 05:02:39 pm
I want a Deathscythe hell, burning gundam or Mad cat MKIII something with big arse guns.

Edit: This is the only place that i can find an actual pic of the Mad Cat MKIII (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mwdarkage/figuregallery.asp?unitid=2614)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 05:17:51 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Venom


what for? I'd prefer a real plane or a real boat I s'pose.mmh, that said, no. a real boat is nowhere near as cool.


Well I could zoom around the Caspian Sea with it, and then invade America.
Which reminds me, the PCGForum is planning an invasion.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 31, 2003, 05:18:44 pm
My official, final weapon of choice:

(http://roi.orf.at/thema/abfangjaeger/img/eurofighter.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 05:21:33 pm
Quote
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
My official, final weapon of choice:

(EF2000 pic)


Nah, far too multi-national, bound to fail, because France used metric and Britain used Imperial, or something.

I'll stick with my huge fleets. Lets see, the Kirov, the Nimitz, all of the Perry class, a few Delta class SSBNs, and so on.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: neo_hermes on May 31, 2003, 05:24:32 pm
what are you planning:confused:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 05:26:34 pm
Have a look through this thread on the PCG forum (http://forum.pcgamer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=21633), and you'll find out.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on May 31, 2003, 05:30:34 pm
Quote
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
My official, final weapon of choice:

(http://roi.orf.at/thema/abfangjaeger/img/eurofighter.jpg)


It's good that someone finally realized the potent of the Typhoon - btw France isn't going to be a real problem, since they haven't been that active in the research from the very begining.

Have in mind though that it's mainly an interceptor, not a strike craft.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: neo_hermes on May 31, 2003, 05:39:15 pm
Petrarch: interesting...very interesting.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 05:41:13 pm
Isn' t it just. Look out America, that's all I can say.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: neo_hermes on May 31, 2003, 05:45:41 pm
hey look over there! *points over petrarchs shoulder and runs the opposite way*
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on May 31, 2003, 05:49:06 pm
The opposite way to what, though?

I have my fleets everywhere, you know, there is no escape.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: neo_hermes on May 31, 2003, 06:05:20 pm
Could i have some peice of territory or is it just a...thing. a phase or soomething. global takeover--->System ruling---->Galactic control---->dominance of entire Universe. is that the plan or is it just somethin else?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on May 31, 2003, 06:32:58 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Flaser


It's good that someone finally realized the potent of the Typhoon - btw France isn't going to be a real problem, since they haven't been that active in the research from the very begining.

Have in mind though that it's mainly an interceptor, not a strike craft.


heh? France left the project years ago ( because what was originally planed had been toned down because of budget decrease from spain iirc ) and made the Rafale, which is better anyway :ha:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Liberator on May 31, 2003, 06:46:43 pm
Bah!

I'll take a fully armed GP-03 Stamen/Orchis and a Solar System and whack almost anybody,  till the I-Field fails anyway.  Then when my escape pod lands I hotfoot it to my Tallgeese III that I his before the battle started.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on May 31, 2003, 07:40:52 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Venom
heh? France left the project years ago and made the Rafale, which is better anyway :ha:

I'd like to see the Rafale dodge a volley ten Meteors, though that would leave me with only a couple of ASRAAMs and me cannon for getting dirty...

I had been aiming to join the RAF in the hopes of one day flying the Typhoon, but then I saw the light and decided that naval aviation is the choice of the professional - so bring on the X-35!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on May 31, 2003, 09:26:09 pm
Quote
Originally posted by diamondgeezer

I'd like to see the Rafale dodge a volley ten Meteors, though that would leave me with only a couple of ASRAAMs and me cannon for getting dirty...

I had been aiming to join the RAF in the hopes of one day flying the Typhoon, but then I saw the light and decided that naval aviation is the choice of the professional - so bring on the X-35!


I don't wanna argue with you for such a stupid thing, just read that

http://pub14.ezboard.com/fwarandpoliticsfrm30.showMessage?topicID=83.topic ( I like tha fact that all the things the typhoon is supposed to do better will be achieved when they will put new engines, radars, etc. the rafale is already in series prproduction there's dozens of them flying :rolleyes: )

to sum up: one more hard point, 3 (!) more tons of missiles/bombs whatever. can fly 500 more km.

no need to brag about the typhoon payload as it is, well... :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: phreak on May 31, 2003, 09:31:38 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB

Another chance to link to www.rusarm.ru methinks.


just be sure to call their offices in iraq before doing something :)

Phone: (9641) 7196939  
Fax: (9641) 7173519


edit: its a funny story on how i found that place


and su27 owns the mig29 so don't bother

http://www.rusarm.ru/products/af/su27sk.htm
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: an0n on May 31, 2003, 09:42:48 pm
(http://www.planet-hoth.mcmail.com/Website/Thundercats/thundertankl2.jpg)
Nuff said.

I had like 5 of those at one time.

And as far as personal weaponry goes:

(http://www.sfxb.co.uk/80sfgfx/tcatsightbeyondsight.jpg)

The be-all and end-all of any apocalyptic arsenal of doom.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: mikhael on May 31, 2003, 09:44:45 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB

Another chance to link to www.rusarm.ru methinks.


They have some pretty good photos of weapons systems up close. I think I shall be doing some high poly weapons ani models in the near future. :D
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: tEAbAG on May 31, 2003, 09:58:58 pm
Gimmie a Su-47

(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/s37-s.jpg)

You really have to see video of the damned thing flying backwards and doing a controlled tumble from the sky.  Freakin ruskies ain't done yet!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: phreak on May 31, 2003, 10:51:37 pm
thats not for sale...

*adds to list*
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on June 01, 2003, 04:21:27 am
Yes, but MIG 29 owns the F 16 big time. Larger payload, long range missiles two engines (not just one like on the F 16), greater speed (d'oh)
Anyways, here is my pet. Now all I need to do is to load it with them special bombs and drop'em over your little robots. :drevil:

(http://www.flash.net/~larryd55/sr-71-3t.jpg)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: J.F.K. on June 01, 2003, 04:30:55 am
Quote
Originally posted by Styxx
What would you do with that, watch the battle? :p


Yeah, but he could watch it really fast. ;)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 06:33:30 am
I want that new flanker, used for Maritime patrol, that has a twin cockpit, and even a galley!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 06:50:14 am
Quote
Originally posted by Razor
Yes, but MIG 29 owns the F 16 big time. Larger payload, long range missiles two engines (not just one like on the F 16), greater speed (d'oh)
Anyways, here is my pet. Now all I need to do is to load it with them special bombs and drop'em over your little robots. :drevil:

(http://www.flash.net/~larryd55/sr-71-3t.jpg)


at least, take the interceptor varient, the YF12 :p
(http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/yf12aa.jpg)

http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/yf12~1.htm

owned, razor :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 07:36:43 am
Pff, I'll take the F-117 prototype, the one with the tail fins turned inwards, that or Have Blue or whatever it's called.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on June 01, 2003, 07:40:03 am
Quote
Originally posted by Venom
Blah... Rafale... blah

Isn't the Rafale the one which the French built before they realised their carriers weren't big enough for it? The Charles de Gaulle was the carrier in question, I think...

Anywho, as for that SU-47 Berkut, that thing shouldn't be allowed. Luckily for the west it's a one-off technology demonstator built by Sukhoi, who didn't have enough money to push it for production. It packs something like 80k lbs of thrust and is rumoured to have rear-facing radar for complete 360 degree coverage. The best bit is, it's 'super-manouverable', which basically means the pilot retains complete control in a stall :shaking:

God forbid the russians ever get the thing in to the factories...
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: RangerKarl on June 01, 2003, 07:54:54 am
Quote
Anywho, as for that SU-47 Berkut, that thing shouldn't be allowed. Luckily for the west it's a one-off technology demonstator built by Sukhoi, who didn't have enough money to push it for production. It packs something like 80k lbs of thrust and is rumoured to have rear-facing radar for complete 360 degree coverage. The best bit is, it's 'super-manouverable', which basically means the pilot retains complete control in a stall





A few transforming components, thermonuclear engines, overtechnology = YF-19 (http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/yf19.shtml) :D
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 07:56:17 am
Meh, seeing you all go flying off in aircraft I'll just build a few hundred of these on my island.

Skyguard Velos - RIM-7 M Sparrow
(http://www.hellas.org/military/air_force/images/sparro-2.jpg)
(close proximity to my house)
Patriots (duh)
(http://dutita0.twi.tudelft.nl/users/vuik/wi211/patriot.jpg)
(Spread around the edge of my island)

In case of persistant irritation of a particular person/nation some ICBM's[/b]

DF-5 CSS-4 Mod. 2
Specs:  (ICBM, two stage, liquid-fueled, range: 13,000 km/11,000 km/7,457 miles, modernized, blunt nose, increased range or payload)



I'd probably be the new target for the US :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 08:00:17 am
Quote
Originally posted by diamondgeezer

Isn't the Rafale the one which the French built before they realised their carriers weren't big enough for it? The Charles de Gaulle was the carrier in question, I think...

Anywho, as for that SU-47 Berkut, that thing shouldn't be allowed. Luckily for the west it's a one-off technology demonstator built by Sukhoi, who didn't have enough money to push it for production. It packs something like 80k lbs of thrust and is rumoured to have rear-facing radar for complete 360 degree coverage. The best bit is, it's 'super-manouverable', which basically means the pilot retains complete control in a stall :shaking:

God forbid the russians ever get the thing in to the factories...


heh, the rafale is not the pb, the carrier is ;). anyway, the CdG musn't be that bad since the brits want to buy a couple of them :p

and the berkut owns, it's more maneuvrable that the f22 or anything ( well the su27 was too anyway ), and it just looks so great :p
my favourite plane so far.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:03:57 am
Quote
Originally posted by Venom


 anyway, the CdG musn't be that bad since the brits want to buy a couple of them :p
.


But the Navy has just been talking of mothballing the carriers, very odd.
I demand the Britain buys the Nimitz, as with it being Nuclear powered, in only needs to refuel every FOURTEEN YEARS!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 08:09:57 am
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


But the Navy has just been talking of mothballing the carriers, very odd.
I demand the Britain buys the Nimitz, as with it being Nuclear powered, in only needs to refuel every FOURTEEN YEARS!


the CdG is nuclear powered too, you f00 ;)
well the CdG is much smaller than a nimitz, I guess it can be seen as a good point for some people. it also has reduced radar profile ( heh, a stealth ship, what a joke I think :p ).
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:10:36 am
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


But the Navy has just been talking of mothballing the carriers, very odd.
I demand the Britain buys the Nimitz, as with it being Nuclear powered, in only needs to refuel every FOURTEEN YEARS!

A manned nuclear bomb? If it crashes wouldn't it go radiation on your ass?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: RangerKarl on June 01, 2003, 08:12:57 am
Tiara, most carriers and submarines in the US Navy run on nuclear energy. They aren't bombs, although if the reactor does get breached somehow, the pollution would be very bad indeed. At least to sea life.......
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:14:07 am
Hehe, that's probably true, and since it has a crew of SIX THOUSAND, that would be quite a problem.

BTW, ever seen that supposed radio transcript where a US carrier group is speaking with a Canadian ship (they think) and demand that is alters course. This goes on for a few minutes, each side demanding that the other changes course. It ends with this;

US navy: We are a US carrier group, We have the USS Nimitz, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers and 4 frigates, we suggest that you change you course to avoid us.

Canadian "fleet": We're a lighthouse. It's your call.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: redsniper on June 01, 2003, 08:14:55 am
some sort of 'mech armed with allyourbase missiles:cool:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:22:00 am
Actually here it is, the transcript. I've just found it through a quick google blast.

Quote
This is the transcript of an actual radio conversation between a US navel ship and the Canadian coastguard.
Coastguard: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.
Americans:Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the north, to avoid a collision.
C: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.
A: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
C: Negative. I say again, you will have to divert your course.
A: This is the aircraft carrier US Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States Atlantic fleet, we are accompanied by three distroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand you change your course 15 degrees north or countermeasures will be undertaken to secure the safety of this ship.
C: We're a lighthouse - Your call
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:26:05 am
:eek2: Just found out that the Dutch navy had a total of 26 different types of submarines this century (all Dutch origin, no borrowed stuff)... Then why the f*ck did we just roll over and play dead during the WWII :hopping:

And we still have several in use...

Current Active Dutch navy:

Walrus Subs  4  
Potvis sub 1
Mercuur Torpedo ship 1  
Amsterdam Supply ship  1  
Zuiderkruis Supply ship  1  
Rotterdam Amfibic transport  1  
Zeven Provinciën Anti-air defence and command destroyers  4  
Jacob van Heemskerck Air defence destroyers  2
Kortenaer Standard Destroyer  1  
Karel Doorman  Multi-purpose frigates  8  
Alkmaar Minesweepers  12
Aircraft carrier  1

:lol: Quite a lot more then I expected :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:26:24 am
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Actually here it is, the transcript. I've just found it through a quick google blast.

 


well, that would be an interesting thing for a captain to explain.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:27:36 am
Quote
Originally posted by Tiara


Aircraft carrier  1

 


:wtf:

since when?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:28:21 am
Quote
Originally posted by kasperl


:wtf:

since when?

Apparently its a very old model and about to be decommisioned :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:29:08 am
Quote
Originally posted by Tiara
Apparently its a very old model and about to be decommisioned :p


still, i never heard about any dutch aircraft carrier.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:30:04 am
Is it a Native Dutch one, though? I've never heard of any carriers being built in Holland.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:31:06 am
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Is it a Native Dutch one, though? I've never heard of any carriers being built in Holland.


me niether, i thought the biggest thing built for the navy here was the "rotterdam"
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:32:13 am
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Originally posted by kasperl


me niether, i thought the biggest thing built for the navy here was the "rotterdam"


And what was it, pray? A cruiser of some sort?
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:33:30 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
And what was it, pray? A cruiser of some sort?

no, a transport.

note, i am not really up-to-date on navy's, so i might be wrong.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:34:21 am
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Originally posted by kasperl

no, a transport.
 


:wtf:

For transporting what? Other ships?

BTW, is this it?
(http://mods.kmarns.net/ofp/rotterdam-irl.jpg)
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:35:38 am
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Originally posted by kasperl


still, i never heard about any dutch aircraft carrier.

:wtf:

Its very likely you never truly studied history :p

When the Dutch Navy (Royal Netherlands Navy) is mentioned, few people think of aircraft carriers. In fact four aircraft carriers have flown the Dutch flag - two Merchant Aircraft Carriers, a single escort carrier, and a light fleet carrier.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:37:07 am
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Originally posted by Tiara


When the Dutch Navy (Royal Netherlands Navy) is mentioned, few people think of aircraft carriers. In fact four aircraft carriers have flown the Dutch flag - two Merchant Aircraft Carriers, a single escort carrier, and a light fleet carrier.


:wtf:

That is truly odd. It's not even as though you have that much coastline (at home, anyway)
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:37:30 am
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Originally posted by Tiara

:wtf:

Its very likely you never truly studied history :p

When the Dutch Navy (Royal Netherlands Navy) is mentioned, few people think of aircraft carriers. In fact four aircraft carriers have flown the Dutch flag - two Merchant Aircraft Carriers, a single escort carrier, and a light fleet carrier.


nope, i didn'treally have the change.

do you have a link to a site?

i'm currently looking at www.marine.nl, but i can't find anything on a carrier.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:38:15 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


:wtf:

That is truly odd. It's not even as though you have that much coastline (at home, anyway)

I didn't say they were all at the same time. Also you must remember that Holland controlled Indonesia for some time. And they have plenty of coastline :p

Also, the Zeven Provincieën is the biggest.
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 08:38:20 am
The dutch needed a fleet to "protect" their colonies in the Dutch East Indies etc. pre WWII and for a short spell after it. The numerous carriers and submarines were for ASW during the cold war as the RN and the RDN(?) had to make up France's ASW commitement as well as their own.
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:39:00 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


:wtf:

For transporting what? Other ships?

BTW, is this it?
(http://mods.kmarns.net/ofp/rotterdam-irl.jpg)


looks like it.

and no, for transporting marines.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:39:09 am
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Originally posted by kasperl


nope, i didn'treally have the change.

do you have a link to a site?

i'm currently looking at www.marine.nl, but i can't find anything on a carrier.


I don't know if the carriers are dutch in origin but they did go under the Dutch flag.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:39:29 am
What is the Dutch for aircraft carrier, anyway, so I at least know what to looks for.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:40:30 am
[SIZE=1231234]MEH[/SIZE]

Lets go back to the Dutch Golden Century where we kicked all your asses with our navy for a 100 years straight! ANd we were also the richest country btw ;7

:D:p:D:p
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:40:50 am
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Originally posted by Tiara


I don't know if the carriers are dutch in origin but they did go under the Dutch flag.


Know its name? I am determined to find out about this!
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:41:24 am
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Originally posted by Tiara

I didn't say they were all at the same time. Also you must remember that Holland controlled Indonesia for some time. And they have plenty of coastline :p

Also, the Zeven Provincieën is the biggest.


oh, right.

but carriers?

can you give me any kind of link to that list?
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:41:33 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


Know its name? I am determined to find out about this!

Lol, no not really... Lemme look around a bit.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:42:54 am
Meh, no time for this crap... Believe me or not... or do the work yourself. I'm supposed to finish another @^$#@^$@ essay tommorow and you guys are distracting me! :p
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:43:04 am
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Originally posted by Tiara

Lets go back to the Dutch Golden Century where we kicked all your asses with our navy for a 100 years straight! ANd we were also the richest country btw ;7

:D:p:D:p

duh, but i didn't think they at carriers back then, did they?
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:43:14 am
I think I foud the part of the site where it would be, if "vleigen" means aviation, flying, that sort of thing.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:44:10 am
Thats "vliegen" and that means flying, yes :)
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:44:13 am
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Originally posted by Tiara
Meh, no time for this crap... Believe me or not... or do the work yourself. I'm supposed to finish another @^$#@^$@ essay tommorow and you guys are distracting me! :p


and i gotta do some french homework and entire batches of economy. and the guy him working with for economy went AWOL, so i'm completely dead.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:45:57 am
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Originally posted by Tiara
Thats "vliegen" and that means flying, yes :)


Hmm, well as far as I can tell there's no mention of a carrier, but with it all being Dutch I haven't much clue what there IS mention of.:D
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:46:04 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
I think I foud the part of the site where it would be, if "vleigen" means aviation, flying, that sort of thing.


nope, i looked trough all of that already, but i found nothing.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:46:48 am
Hmm. Hold on, I've got a Janes warship recognition guide somewhere.
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Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 08:47:29 am
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
The dutch needed a fleet to "protect" their colonies in the Dutch East Indies etc. pre WWII and for a short spell after it. The numerous carriers and submarines were for ASW during the cold war as the RN and the RDN(?) had to make up France's ASW commitement as well as their own.

ok, her...

RN= Royal Navy I gather
RDN= Royal Dutch Navy? ( I doubt dutch people would give an english name to their navy tho :p )
but... ASW?
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:49:12 am
Anti-Submarine Warfare.:)
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:50:03 am
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Originally posted by Venom

RN= Royal Navy I gather
RDN= Royal Dutch Navy? ( I doubt dutch people would give an english name to their navy tho :p )
 

Royal Dutch Navy is the exact tranbslation for the Dutch version:  Nederlandse Koninklijke Marine (Though Royal and Dutch switched position) :p
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:50:32 am
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Originally posted by Venom

ok, her...

RN= Royal Navy I gather
RDN= Royal Dutch Navy? ( I doubt dutch people would give an english name to their navy tho :p )
but... ASW?


ASW, dunno, but RDN is royal dutch navy, KNM in Dutch.

btw, try looking for the HMS Karel Doorman, it's been sold to argentina a long time ago, but it was a Dutch carrier.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:50:57 am
I can't find a Dutch carrier, but I did find this ungainly monster.

(http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/netherlands/destroyers/tromp/tromp3.jpg)

I believe the French navy has a ship with a similar dome.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:52:08 am
:lol:

What ship is that? Probably 50 years old or something?
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:52:23 am
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Originally posted by Tiara

Royal Dutch Navy is the exact tranbslation for the Dutch version:  Nederlandse Koninklijke Marine (Though Royal and Dutch switched position) :p

i thought it was Koninklijke Nederlands Marine, and not the other way around.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:53:14 am
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Originally posted by kasperl

i thought it was Koninklijke Nederlands Marine, and not the other way around.

Meh, whatever :p
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:53:45 am
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Originally posted by Tiara
:lol:

What ship is that? Probably 50 years old or something?


It's the Tromp and AFAIK it's quite recent!

I have found the Karel Doorman that kasperl mentioned!

(http://httpd.chello.nl/m.nuijten1/Foto_s/KD1.jpg)
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:53:58 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
I can't find a Dutch carrier, but I did find this ungainly monster.

(http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/netherlands/destroyers/tromp/tromp3.jpg)

I believe the French navy has a ship with a similar dome.

what's her name?

looks at filename, tromp? can't be the entire name.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:54:42 am
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Originally posted by kasperl

what's her name?

looks at filename, tromp? can't be the entire name.


It is, I fear. There is another one like it called the De Ruyter.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:55:32 am
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Originally posted by kasperl

looks at filename, tromp? can't be the entire name.


Yeah, the Tromp is her real name :)

HMNLS TROMP (F 801) is one of two TROMP class AAW frigates serving the Dutch Navy. TROMP was at HMC Dockyard in Halifax, NS, on March 27, 1997.

http://www.hazegray.org/features/nato/netherl/tromp/
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Post by: kasperl on June 01, 2003, 08:55:38 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


It is, I fear. There is another one like it called the De Ruyter.


*thinks*

a, i think your correct, and "De Ruyter" was a famous admiral IIRC, but my history there is a bit foggy.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 08:56:32 am
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Originally posted by kasperl


*thinks*

a, i think your correct, and "De Ruyter" was a famous admiral IIRC, but my history there is a bit foggy.


Well who or what was Tromp, then?:D
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:58:41 am
Whats the general amrmament for a light cruiser? The Tromp has this:

4 75mm guns
4 40mm Bofors
4 depth charge throwers
6 21" torpedo tubes (12 torp)

Seems a wee bit low....
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 08:59:33 am
Ow and that bulb isn't supposed to be there:

(http://uboat.net/allies/warships/photos/nl/cl_hnms_tromp.jpg)
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 09:00:54 am
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Originally posted by Tiara
Whats the general amrmament for a light cruiser? The Tromp has this:

4 75mm guns
4 40mm Bofors
4 depth charge throwers
6 21" torpedo tubes (12 torp)

Seems a wee bit low....


According to that book of mine (Janes) the Tromp is a frigate, but even so, that is a bit puny. You'd expect some SAMs or SSMs at least. It must be quite old then, if it has depth charges.

The plot thickens. The book says that it DOES have missiles. Lots of 'em Very odd. Perhaps that pic of yours, Miss T, was taken before the dome was fitted.
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 09:03:05 am
Royal Famalies roxor!

The AEGIS Arleigh Burk (sp?) class cruisers dont have any heavy armement in the way old fasioned cruisers did, its not just a term given to ship which are above a certain tonnage and length.... but arnt aircraft carriers.

The Ruskies had (have a few left) the only ships even approaching old fasioned heavy cruiser size.
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 09:04:20 am
Most ships have depth charges which are helicopter dropped, or the capacity to lay them via torpedo or standard launcher.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 09:06:01 am
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
Royal Famalies roxor!

The AEGIS Arleigh Burk (sp?) class cruisers dont have any heavy armement in the way old fasioned cruisers did, its not just a term given to ship which are above a certain tonnage and length.... but arnt aircraft carriers.


Actually the Burkes do have quite heavy armament, but it's not that visible. They might not have many guns and what have you, but they have the Vertical Launch Missile system, with 96 tubes in total.
Unlike most Russian ships, though, as they tend to bristle with guns of all kinds.
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Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 09:06:18 am
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Originally posted by Tiara
Ow and that bulb isn't supposed to be there:

(http://uboat.net/allies/warships/photos/nl/cl_hnms_tromp.jpg)


loocking at the bridge and all, that's obviously not the same ship :p

on the first pic of the tromp, there's obviously a missile launcher behind the front turret, btw
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 09:09:21 am
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Originally posted by Venom


loocking at the bridge and all, that's obviously not the same ship :p

on the first pic of the tromp, there's obviously a missile launcher behind the front turret, btw


Well that'll be an old photo, perhaps when she was first launched. And by the looks of that, she was launched in the 1930s! The dome would have been added during the 60s I suppose, and the missiles at the same time. She would have refits every 10 years or so, like most ships.
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 09:11:59 am
By heavy armement i meant things like 16 inch guns :P

You need a cetain tonnage before you can mount heavy guns to stop your ship breaking up or capsizing, any small firgate can mount and fire most missiles.

My point was they are heavy enough to be classified as cruisers.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 09:13:24 am
But they're not classed as Cruisers, though.  They're destroyers, or at least they were when I last checked.

Are you thinking about the Ticonderoga AEGIS cruisers?
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 09:15:23 am
Ah yes, the Tromp has missiles. Its a Anti-Air defense frigate :p A AA Frigate without AA weaponry would be a wee bit odd :p
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 09:19:08 am
Israel has some cool looking ships as well, try and look for the Eilat class corvette.

Got it! Looks good and stealthy, like that Swedich stealth frigate.
(http://www.g2mil.com/saar1.jpg)
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 09:22:11 am
oops yeah i ment the Ticondoroga class ones, silly me :P
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 09:26:15 am
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
oops yeah i ment the Ticondoroga class ones, silly me :P


Easily done, the Burkes have AEGIS too.

I really want a Russian Pauk class FAC. It's a tiny ship, and has a crew of any about 40, but has weapons about the same as most frigates! It's only 57 metres long, and has a displacemtn of ony 480 tons, but has a SAM launcher, a  3 inch gun, 4 torpedo tubes, 2 ASW mortars, 24 depth charges and a 30mm gatling CIWS!
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Post by: Flaser on June 01, 2003, 10:01:15 am
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Originally posted by Venom


at least, take the interceptor varient, the YF12 :p
(http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/yf12aa.jpg)

http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/yf12~1.htm

owned, razor :p


Wow! You people wrote a lot since I last checked it - which is quite often btw -, but anyway let me give some detail about the baby above:
-Fastest airplane in the world *if you don't count the Mig-34 which was a faux*
-Most expensive in both terms of production, but especially in maintinance and simple operation:
-Two high grade jet engines have to used just to start its engines!
-Almost all the fuel it has gets leaked and used up during the simple take-off, becuse the plane couldn't be designed so that the pipework would fit both during low-speed and Mach-3
-The hull has waves in it, which expand when the craft heats up near M2-M3. It is only then when most parts fit as they were supposed to
-Hence the things above it needs to be refueled almost after take-off - close to stall speed!!!

There never was one craft that was built for combat - even the interceptor was a prototype - and got damaged during a landing.
The awsome speed makes it very hard to deliver a second round of missiles - could only carry 3 by the time, although - with nuclear warheads.

So it is a bit expensive-and frustrating-to fly.
I recommend a Rafale or a Typhoon - when it is finally put to production - or some new Russian wonder if you go for close-combat.
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Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 10:07:14 am
just to say that I mock the thing above, I just posted that for razor who wanted an armed blackbird, to show that it as indeed planed.

the Eilat stealth corvette looks nice, but...
the lafayette frigate ownz :D
(http://www.emeraldesigns.com/matchup/gallery/roc/lafayette1.jpg)
(http://www.emeraldesigns.com/matchup/gallery/roc/lafayette2.jpg)

can't find good front shot :doubt:
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 10:17:37 am
I've got a book with the LaFayette in it, but I'm not that impressed.:D

it just doesn't look mean enough.

The Suffren, on the other hand, looks bloody frightening!
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Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 10:29:09 am
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
I've got a book with the LaFayette in it, but I'm not that impressed.:D

it just doesn't look mean enough.

The Suffren, on the other hand, looks bloody frightening!


well, the lafayette is designed so you don't find it, so it doesn't matter if it looks frightening or not ;)
the most frightening threat is the one you can't see :D
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 10:30:43 am
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Originally posted by Venom


well, the lafayette is designed so you don't find it, so it doesn't matter if it looks frightening or not ;)
the most frightening threat is the one you can't see :D


Can you smell it, though? If you can then I might agree.
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Post by: diamondgeezer on June 01, 2003, 10:30:50 am
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Originally posted by Venom
anyway, the CdG musn't be that bad since the brits want to buy a couple of them :p

Eh? We're building a couple of brand spanking new ones, we're not replacing our three Invincible-class boats with second-hand french ones :ick
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 10:32:23 am
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer

Eh? We're building a couple of brand spanking new ones, we're not replacing our three Invincible-class boats with second-hand french ones :ick


Since when were we building new 'uns? I knew that the Invincivles were being mothballed, but I didn't know we were getting shiny new plastic-blister-packed ones. Have a link to a news site or something?
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Post by: diamondgeezer on June 01, 2003, 10:36:59 am
Yep, we're buliding 'em brand new. They're slightly bigger versions of the Invincible, basically intended to be integrated with the X-35 STOVL. There was a big fuss over whether BAE or some french contractor should build 'em, but then it was pointed out that the two companys are as international as each other and the arguments promptly subsided.

I'm uploading a movie of the new boat as we speak
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 10:40:28 am
Booyah!

And the ASTOVL rules! I used to fly one in Janes ATF, but I'm damned if I can get that to run anymore, bloody USB joysticks.
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 10:41:38 am
The problem with the LaFayette is that even fishing trawlers radar can pick it up....... unless they are going to engage small speedboats with ww2 era radar then it a bit of a waste of cash.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 10:42:37 am
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
The problem with the LaFayette is that even fishing trawlers radar can pick it up.......


:lol: Nice work there France!
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Post by: diamondgeezer on June 01, 2003, 10:42:54 am
Click! (http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/Super_Carrier.mov)
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 10:43:28 am
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Yep, we're buliding 'em brand new. They're slightly bigger versions of the Invincible,
 



?? i thought they were going to be inbetween the Invincible and Nimitz class...... not slightly bigger then the mini through deck cruisers ;)
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 10:45:08 am
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Click! (http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/Super_Carrier.mov)


*Makes impressed noises*

Splendid! I wonder what they'll call it.
HMS Indefatigable, perhaps?
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 10:50:53 am
http://www.rnjobs.co.uk/static/pages/1971.html

60k tonnes! 40k tonnes more than the 20k tonne Invincible! thats 3 times as big as the invincible and bigger then the CDG


One will be called the Ark Royal as always, but the other one, well either Labour will be pc and call it the HMS Dildo, or HMS fat Black Lesbian Rights Campaigner....... HMS Vengance gets my vote.

The whole lot will be escorted by the new PAAMS type 45,

http://www.rnjobs.co.uk/static/pages/1973.html

That is however unless labour defence cuts get implemented and then we have 2 new carriers and PT boat to escort them.


As for buying the CDG? bwhahahahahahahahaahahahahaha that pos is a traversty of modern engineering. 6 billion quid over budget so slow a man o war can outpace it with no wind (put a submarine nuclear reactor in a full sized carrier = win!!!). Its flight deck/structural integrity is dubious as its been lenghtened about 4 times without strenghtening the hull.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 10:54:29 am
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot

As for buying the CDG? bwhahahahahahahahaahahahahaha that pos is a traversty of modern engineering. 6 billion quid over budget so slow a man o war can outpace it with no wind (put a submarine nuclear reactor in a full sized carrier = win!!!). Its flight deck/structural integrity is dubious as its been lenghtened about 4 times without strenghtening the hull.


Once again, nice work France!
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Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 10:55:45 am
This isnt all just random french backing im getting the facts from my irc history chum whose in RN naval intel.
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 11:55:47 am
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
60k tonnes! 40k tonnes more than the 20k tonne Invincible!

Sorry, but that sounded... obvious :rolleyes:
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Post by: Razor on June 01, 2003, 12:13:39 pm
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Originally posted by Tiara
Meh, seeing you all go flying off in aircraft I'll just build a few hundred of these on my island.


I'd probably be the new target for the US :p


Your inferior weaponry is no match for my orbital "Nuke the Bastard" beam cannon operated directly from my Black Bird and my secret base in Yugo. ;7
Save your prayers or beg for mercy before I push the button and turn your little island into molten slag. :p :drevil: :devil:
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Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 12:42:44 pm
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Originally posted by Razor


Your inferior weaponry is no match for my orbital "Nuke the Bastard" beam cannon operated directly from my Black Bird and my secret base in Yugo. ;7
Save your prayers or beg for mercy before I push the button and turn your little island into molten slag. :p :drevil: :devil:

Don't make me whip you :drevil:

Your nuke would be blown out of the sky long before it would even enter range anyway :p

*hugs AWACS equipment and long range interceptor missiles*

:p

Ow, and screw your blackbird. Good intel ownz all.

*goes to bribe every intelligence agency in the world*
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 12:43:51 pm
Well I have the Krikkit ultra-bomb!

You know, that one that can destroy the universe.
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Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 01:17:35 pm
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
http://www.rnjobs.co.uk/static/pages/1971.html

60k tonnes! 40k tonnes more than the 20k tonne Invincible! thats 3 times as big as the invincible and bigger then the CDG


One will be called the Ark Royal as always, but the other one, well either Labour will be pc and call it the HMS Dildo, or HMS fat Black Lesbian Rights Campaigner....... HMS Vengance gets my vote.

The whole lot will be escorted by the new PAAMS type 45,

http://www.rnjobs.co.uk/static/pages/1973.html

That is however unless labour defence cuts get implemented and then we have 2 new carriers and PT boat to escort them.

As for buying the CDG? bwhahahahahahahahaahahahahaha that pos is a traversty of modern engineering. 6 billion quid over budget so slow a man o war can outpace it with no wind (put a submarine nuclear reactor in a full sized carrier = win!!!). Its flight deck/structural integrity is dubious as its been lenghtened about 4 times without strenghtening the hull.


in case you don't know, the CdG is a prototype :rolleyes:
all the things you point out have long been corrected.
and what about that crap about the lafayette? since you obviously know a lot, mind to point me to serious sources? ( not some crappy IRC channel where rambo wannabees post their wishlists? ).
you're full of crap, you know.
next time you want to post to bash french stuff just to wash out your frustration for england not being able to make a good ship for the last twenty years, at least, come up with good arguments :rolleyes:
Title: HAHAHAHA
Post by: TrashMan on June 01, 2003, 01:54:11 pm
Oh yeah...I'd take this little baby:

(http://www.maritime.org/hnsa-img/nj.jpg)
Class: Iowa Battleship
Launched: 7 December 1942
At: Philadelphia Naval Shipyard
Commissioned: 23 May 1943

Length: 887 feet, 7 inches  (270,40 m)
Beam: 108 feet, 1 inch  (32.87m)
Draft: 38 feet  (33m)
Displacement: 57,200 tons
Armament:
Nine 16"/50 caliber guns ( 460mm)
12 5"/38 caliber guns ( 120mm)
32 Tomahawk missile launchers;
16 Harpoon missile launchers; four 20 mm Phalanx Close-In Weapon System Gatling-type guns
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 01:55:50 pm
Well I'll take the other 3 Iowas then!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 01:57:33 pm
big guns are always cool :D
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 02:08:18 pm
Yeah, like The Paris Gun, or the 80cm Gustav.

I want one!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 02:23:45 pm
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Yeah, like The Paris Gun,


also known as the Big Bertha :P
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 02:26:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venom


also known as the Big Bertha :P


That's where you're wrong. :D

Big Bertha was a field howitzer, used on the Easter front to shell Russian fortifications. It was 420mm, and had a range of 9375m.
The Paris Gun, or "Kaiser Wilhelm Geschutz" was a 21cm railway gun.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 02:30:18 pm
dunno about that, but every old people I know ( including by grandfather for exemple ), called that gun the big bertha. actually, I bet all the big guns in france were called like that :p
my grandpa told me he could hear the thing firing from a hundred kilometers away ( altho that sounds dubious I confess :p ).

ad: I did a search on google ( grosse bertha ), and the few results that came were about the Paris gun, after all :)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 02:34:03 pm
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Originally posted by Venom

my grandpa told me he could hear the thing firing from a hundred kilometers away ( altho that sounds dubious I confess :p ).


According to my book it managed to fire on Paris from 75.8 miles away, which is 122km!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on June 01, 2003, 02:43:24 pm
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Don't make me whip you :drevil:


Razor: There is no fear. :drevil: She wouldn't have the guts. :p

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Originally posted by Tiara

Your nuke would be blown out of the sky long before it would even enter range anyway :p

*hugs AWACS equipment and long range interceptor missiles*

:p

Ow, and screw your blackbird. Good intel ownz all.

*goes to bribe every intelligence agency in the world*


Who said anything about nukes? :drevil: I was talking about my orbital molten slag making beam cannon. :drevil: Especially made for you Dutch girls who are trying to take over the world. Oh and about bribing agencies, you can't bribe the YUIA. We will crack down your island before you even knew what hit you. :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 02:45:59 pm
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Originally posted by Razor
Quote
Don't make me whip you :drevil:


You wouldn't have the guts. :p



Who said anything about nukes? :drevil: I was talking about my orbital molten slag making beam cannon. :drevil: Especially made for you Dutch girls who are trying to take over the world. Oh and about bribing agencies, you can't bribe the YUIA. We will crack down your island before you even knew what hit you. :p [/B]

1). Guess again... You obviously don't know what Dutch ppl like me are capable of. :p
2). Ok, thats a wee bit too absurd.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on June 01, 2003, 03:01:04 pm
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Guess again... You obviously don't know what Dutch ppl like me are capable of.

Ok! What are you capable of?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 03:01:43 pm
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Originally posted by Razor

Ok! What are you capable of?

You'll just have to find that out for yourself :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on June 01, 2003, 03:15:00 pm
That's it!

Stop it all of you - this thread is about WHAT you would take to a Battlefield - ergo - no big bastard weapons of mass destuction in the sky - and is especially not about which nation deserves your scrutiny.

If anyone presses the issue any more I'll make sure Hungary strucks a deal with thou - which is no good:
-The Turkish sultans - beat us
-The Austrians beat us in 1848, though we had a lot of helpers
-The Monarchy was beat in WWI
-Germans in WWII
Luck just seems to avoid anyone who was on our side, so shut it before I make yours, ours as well.
Oh by the way Hugary just became part of the following:
-NATO
-EU
Hmm....
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 03:17:16 pm
:lol:
point well taken dude :)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on June 01, 2003, 03:17:30 pm
:lol:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Shrike on June 01, 2003, 04:22:01 pm
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Originally posted by Tiara
You'll just have to find that out for yourself :p
I'm sure TCO would be glad to answer that one.  ;7
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: aldo_14 on June 01, 2003, 04:36:51 pm
Holy Hand Grenade.

Or any weapons from Worms.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: TrashMan on June 01, 2003, 04:47:13 pm
(http://www.maritime.org/hnsa-img/nj.jpg)

Did I mention that full diplacement is 59 700T?

Oh, and big guns usually have a range that equals their caliber in mm/10. Thus, a 406mm cannon would have approx 40km range!;7 ;7

LUV THAT SHIP!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: TrashMan on June 01, 2003, 04:57:04 pm
Or this baby:
(http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/aircraft/f14.gif)
Description: The Grumman F-14 Tomcat is a supersonic, twin-engine, variable sweep wing, two-place strike fighter. The Tomcat's primary missions are air superiority, fleet air defense and precision strike against ground targets.

Features: The F-14 has visual and all-weather attack capability to deliver Phoenix and Sparrow missiles as well as the M-61 gun and Sidewinder missiles for close in air-to-air combat. The F-14 also has the LANTIRN targeting system that allows delivery of various laser-guided bombs for precision strikes in air-to-ground combat missions. The F-14, equipped with Tactical Air Reconnaissance Pod System (TARPS) is the Navy's only manned tactical reconnaissance platform.


Allso:
Description: Long-range air-to-air missile, carried in clusters of up to six missiles on the F-14 Tomcat.
Background: The Phoenix missile is the Navy's only long-range air-to-air missile. It is an airborne weapons control system with multiple-target handling capabilities, used to kill multiple air targets with conventional warheads. Near simultaneous launch is possible against up to six targets in all weather and heavy jamming environments. The improved Phoenix, the AIM-54C, can better counter projected threats from tactical aircraft and cruise missiles.

OR THIS:
(http://www.flash.net/~larryd55/a-10.jpg)
Primary Function: A-10 -- close air support, OA-10 - airborne forward air control
Contractor: Fairchild Republic Co.
Power Plant: Two General Electric TF34-GE-100 turbofans
Thrust: 9,065 pounds each engine
Length: 53 feet, 4 inches (16.16 meters)
Height: 14 feet, 8 inches (4.42 meters)
Wingspan: 57 feet, 6 inches (17.42 meters)
Speed: 420 miles per hour (Mach 0.56)
Ceiling: 45,000 feet (13,636 meters)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 51,000 pounds (22,950 kilograms)
Range: 800 miles (695 nautical miles)
Armament: One 30 mm GAU-8/A seven-barrel Gatling gun; up to 16,000 pounds (7,200 kilograms) of mixed ordnance on eight under-wing and three under-fuselage pylon stations, including 500 pounds (225 kilograms) of Mk-82 and 2,000 pounds (900 kilograms) of Mk-84 series low/high drag bombs, incendiary cluster bombs, combined effects munitions, mine dispensing munitions, AGM-65 Maverick missiles and laser-guided/electro-optically guided bombs; infrared countermeasure flares; electronic countermeasure chaff; jammer pods; 2.75-inch (6.99 centimeters) rockets; illumination flares and AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles.
Crew: One
Date Deployed: March 1976
Unit Cost: $9.8 million (fiscal 98 constant dollars)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on June 01, 2003, 04:57:10 pm
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14
Holy Hand Grenade.

Or any weapons from Worms.

Oh well in that case it has to be Armageddon. A weapon that's likely to kill everything on the map is obviously the way to go :nod:

(That said, ph34r the Old Woman)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 01, 2003, 04:58:33 pm
Concrete Donkey!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 01, 2003, 05:00:42 pm
Let's see....
Panzer IV:
(http://achtungpanzer.com/images/mvc030.jpg)

Joint Strike Fighter:
(http://www.capitolsource.net/images/prog/jsf.jpg)

And the Nemesis version of the Ent.-E (can't seem to find a good picture of the revised version)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: TrashMan on June 01, 2003, 05:04:17 pm
Bah..my choice is better..
You can't beat an Iowa, a A-10 Thunderbolt and F-14 Tomcat...
Got it all coverd... sea, land and air!:D
Now who's gonna rule the world?:drevil:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 05:09:56 pm
The most expensive folly in French military history remains the Charles de Gaulle, commissioned for the French navy in 1986. It was the pet project of the country's then president, François Mitterrand. The carrier was intended to be a potent symbol of military might but was so riddled with faults it proved to be more of a humiliating French farce.

When it was finally taken to sea last November on its first long-distance trials, part of one 19-ton propeller broke somewhere in the western Atlantic and the carrier was forced to limp home. For every year in operation the ship has to spend four months in dock undergoing maintenance and repairs.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/16/wfran16.xml


"the embarrassing accidents and hitches that have led its crew to nickname it "le bateau maudit" - the damned ship"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$VAXMSKGDFX50TQFIQMGCFF4AVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2001/03/11/wfra11.xml

Even if as you say we havnt built a good ship in 20 years  at least it didnt take us 20 years to build a bad one.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 01, 2003, 05:10:15 pm
You know the Sovereign alone would defeat all of your choices, right?
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: TrashMan on June 01, 2003, 05:21:32 pm
You're talking to me..
RULE 1: Choices to compare must be out of the same time period!
RULE 2: If fiction, they must be at least from the same dimension or reality.
--------------------------
My choice can beat any realistic one you can come up with..
Ans a Sovy?  I'll blast it apart with a Galaxy-X phaser cannon!:D:mad2:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 05:34:10 pm
In response to the Lafayette it over uses stealth features at the detrement of efficiency and capability in the battlefield a better blend and general use would be the t-23 frigate or the spanish F-100 class.

The lafayette itself is very stealthy however the wake is still detectable by most decent radar (especially airborn) from long range also whether as a result of having to make the ship stealthy (or to save money on coating everything in even more radar absorbant paint) or just poor design they are woefully underarmed for their escort roles and as individual vessels, the Lafayettes would be more useful with a better weapons suite, aka VLS cells, etc.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 01, 2003, 05:57:18 pm
whatever you say.
oh, and the lost fan on the cdg was in november 2001, and since then it's been working fine, evrything has been fixed.
check your sources.
about the lafayette, I can't even find sources on what weaponary it has ( bare the taiwan version that we didn't arm ), so I'm curious to see a doc about it before discussing it further away.
anyway, it has greatly reduced noise emission ( low cavitation emission ), so I wonder where you get that idea that the wake is easily detectable.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Mr Carrot on June 01, 2003, 05:59:56 pm
Janes Defence Review.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 02, 2003, 02:12:27 am
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Jane's Warship Recognition Guide

2 x 4 MM40 Exocet SSM Launchers
2 x 8 Crotale SAM Launchers
1 x 100mm gun
2 x 20mm guns
2 x 12.7 MGs


That's for the French ships, anyway. It does also list the armaments for the Saudi and Thai versions, so the Thai one is armed.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 02, 2003, 03:34:18 am
Quote
Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


That's for the French ships, anyway. It does also list the armaments for the Saudi and Thai versions, so the Thai one is armed.


heh, of course it's armed, it's a warship :p
it's just it was sold unarmed.

oh, and 8 exocets + 16 crotale does not sound "underarmed" to me ( a single exocet can sink most ships ).
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 02, 2003, 03:38:13 am
Quote
Originally posted by Venom

oh, and 8 exocets + 16 crotale does not sound "underarmed" to me ( a single exocet can sink most ships ).


True, even the George Leygues only has 4 Exocets, and it's classed as a destroyer.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 02, 2003, 03:40:55 am
yeah, but it's an antisubmarine destroyer, not much point having many exocets on that.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Mr Carrot on June 02, 2003, 05:01:58 am
The configuration of the launchers is poor though as i said it needs something like VLS cells (which would ironicaly be more stealthy).
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Nico on June 02, 2003, 05:03:57 am
ok, alright, whatever you say, I'm fed up with this.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on June 02, 2003, 07:04:33 am
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You'll just have to find that out for yourself


Won't bother. Answer is a simple 7 letter word: NOTHING :p

Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
I'm sure TCO would be glad to answer that one.  ;7

Pfff...... TCO (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=TCO):lol: :doubt: Tell me when to start panicing. :p

EDIT:
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Target Drone
:lol: Oh yeah! Mr Kal's pissed. :nod:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Tiara on June 02, 2003, 07:09:24 am
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Originally posted by Razor

Won't bother. Answer is a simple 7 letter word: NOTHING :p

Please don't try my patience... Normally I wouldn't blink at such "jokes" and even laugh about it but I have been very patient with you for the last 2 or 3 months. In other words; it is wearing VERY thin. It is definately time for you to learn some manners.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on June 02, 2003, 07:14:55 am
I've been patient with most people around here for more than a year. Well actually, ever since I joined VBB.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: TrashMan on June 02, 2003, 09:42:20 am
Lower your shield, firewalls or any other protective device.
You will surrender - resistance is futile!

My large fleets consiting od Iowa, Nimitz, Arhileg Burke and Spruace warships control the seas.
The sky is darken by my air forces, consisting of F-14, A-10, B-1, B-2, AH-64 and blachawks, sending terror in the hearts of my enemies.
On the land, my Space Marine and Termintor squads patrol the streets, supprted by Rangers and Delta Force.
My galactic dominance is assred ny vast fets of 100km long Judgmen Day ulta-battleships, who carry SDF's(with full Veritech complement) and Galaxy-X's (with starfighters insted of shuttles) istead of fighters.

I shal rule the galaxy...the Universe!
*High pitched tremmbling voice*
hahahhahaahahaahahaaaaaaaa
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on June 02, 2003, 12:35:49 pm
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Originally posted by Razor
:lol: Oh yeah! Mr Kal's pissed. :nod:

No. An admin has changed your title to 'Target Drone' to indicate that you are a popular target for flames. This is because you have now annoyed every single person on this board with your overwhelming arrogance and unbelieveably thick skull which has so far prevented you from realising that everyone, including the admins, are telling you to either grow up or shut up.

Now you annoyed Kalifreth quite a bit in the Matrix thread because you showed him absolutely no respect, despite the fact that he is older, wiser and could ban you from HLP with a click of his mouse. And yet here you are, purposely poking at him. Why do you not understand the precarious nature of your situation? I will spell out for you that which is clear the every other member of HLP - you are about to be banned unless you change your attitude.

I am telling you this for your own good, before you do a Poksis and disappear without a trace.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Razor on June 02, 2003, 03:23:20 pm
Oh yeah! I see. In case you forgot.
Quote
Originally posted by Kalfireth: he's just being an idiot

In other words, HE started it, not me. So I am an idiot because I didn't know what that Uber thing meant in the coded form? Very well.


Quote
disappear without a trace

Amen to that.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on June 02, 2003, 03:25:00 pm
I give up. You're on your own. I hope they ban you and I hope you learn from it.
Title: You obviously don't get it do you?
Post by: Razor on June 02, 2003, 03:55:40 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I hope they ban you

No need for that. I am bailing.
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 02, 2003, 04:17:18 pm
Quote
Originally posted by TrashMan
You're talking to me..
RULE 1: Choices to compare must be out of the same time period!
RULE 2: If fiction, they must be at least from the same dimension or reality.
--------------------------
My choice can beat any realistic one you can come up with..
Ans a Sovy?  I'll blast it apart with a Galaxy-X phaser cannon!:D:mad2:
Same time period? I'll use the USS Nautilus then. Take you out the Iowa without you even knowing I'm there :p
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Thorn on June 02, 2003, 04:18:52 pm
MI-24 Hind
Flying Tank!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 02, 2003, 04:35:02 pm
This is nice: http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nssn/
Title: Re: You obviously don't get it do you?
Post by: Knight Templar on June 02, 2003, 06:35:39 pm
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Originally posted by Razor

No need for that. I am bailing.


Bout' time. Bye bye :)
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Martinus on June 02, 2003, 06:45:25 pm
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Originally posted by Razor
:lol: Oh yeah! Mr Kal's pissed. :nod:

[color=66ff00]Nah, he might've done much worse.
If you think 'I'm bailing' is either a threat, or a way of gaining some kind of one-up on the community, then your blaze of glory just got put out by the general sigh of apathy I'm noticing here.
[/color]
Title: Re: You obviously don't get it do you?
Post by: Shrike on June 02, 2003, 06:58:04 pm
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Originally posted by Razor
No need for that. I am bailing.
Bye!
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: Flaser on June 02, 2003, 07:08:10 pm
Huh...
When will we grow up...?
:sigh:
Title: Your weapon/mecha of choice
Post by: diamondgeezer on June 03, 2003, 12:47:26 am
Some of us are waiting on others