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Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Sandwich on June 03, 2003, 03:10:45 pm
Wow - I'm dumbstruck. It arrived at Blockbuster today - talk about a world-wide release!

Anyway, I thought it was.... interesting. ;) The varied perspectives were fairly enlightening, although the best ones were definitely the ones that had been released for free on the site.

Thoughts? (Matriculated was.... bizzarre)
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Unknown Target on June 03, 2003, 03:15:24 pm
They're different from the ones on the website?

I thought those were dumb, at least the first one. Didn't seem to go with the Matrix at all. Any bullet-time?
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: diamondgeezer on June 03, 2003, 04:18:01 pm
Dumb? Second Renaisance was a bit iffy, but Program and Detective Story pwned :nod:
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 03, 2003, 04:23:15 pm
I quite liked the Second Rennaissance, 'cos it's just so bloody bleak!

They could've come up with a better name for that rebel robot though, rather than a 1337ised "Bigger"
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: mikhael on June 03, 2003, 04:31:38 pm
I may pick this up tonight. If not, I will be picking it up soon.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Martinus on June 03, 2003, 04:34:05 pm
[color=66ff00]I was quite impressed by the first 6 overall, some of it was simply eye candy but kid's story and rennaissance impressed me, they were thought provoking. Animatrix is great if you like interesting artistic styles IMHO.
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Title: The Animatrix
Post by: elorran on June 03, 2003, 04:38:59 pm
Final Flight of the Osiris was two years in the making and it looks one of the best CGI's I've ever seen... something to rival the Final Fantasy movie CGI animation (though not quite as good).

I for one am picking up this when it hits the shops on DVD.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Dark_4ce on June 03, 2003, 04:40:38 pm
I liked it. Faves are Osiris, 2nd renneisance. The other were way too depressing for me. Except Kids story. Which was neat, but odd at the same time.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: mikhael on June 03, 2003, 05:09:01 pm
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Originally posted by elorran
Final Flight of the Osiris was two years in the making and it looks one of the best CGI's I've ever seen... something to rival the Final Fantasy movie CGI animation (though not quite as good).

I for one am picking up this when it hits the shops on DVD.


It should have been, so far as I know it was Square that did the animation.
Title: Re: The Animatrix
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 03, 2003, 05:17:34 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich

Thoughts? (Matriculated was.... bizzarre)


and probably hints a bit to Matrix 3 ;7

th eAnimatrix is good though :) Loved it
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: karajorma on June 03, 2003, 06:20:11 pm
No need for video cause over in the UK they have been showing the episodes on TV.

That said for some weird reason they've been showing them at 12 am and I missed The Kid which means I've now got to wait until it comes out on the web or someone posts it on usenet.

Didn't much like 2nd Rennaissance much. Not cause there was anything actually wrong with the vid itself but
Spoiler:
cause it made me sympathsise with the machines :D I mean the machines tried real hard to co-exist with the humans and just continually got killed, nuked and generally shat upon from a great height. I couldn't really blame them for wiping humanity out completely in return. What they eventually did seems quite lenient in comparison.
 It was a lot easier to be on the side of Neo, Trinity and the rest when it seemed like the machines had just decided to enslave humankind for not being AIs.  
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Galemp on June 03, 2003, 08:51:43 pm
I honestly liked the Animatrix much, much more than Reloaded. It had more of the sense of mystery, wonder, and thought-provoking situations than Reloaded, which seemed like nothing but a parody.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Nico on June 04, 2003, 02:28:44 am
I liked all the ones I've seen (the online ones), for now my favourite might be a detective's story ( coz it was artistically brilliant ). also the second part of renaissance, I dunno about you, but we""hn those soldiers were slaughered ( like the one trapped in his powersuit, which is cut in pieces, then a metalic tentacles comes and removes the guy from the machine, reapping his rams and legs in the process ), it almost physically hurt me ( help me!!!! ahhhhh!!!! ), altho the design is odd, the thing looked more real than most live movies, it was so...  cool :D
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Dark_4ce on June 04, 2003, 04:38:26 am
I dunno if it looked more real. But it sounded more real! Which in turn made it more real. I mean the way the guy screamed! I wonder if the y put a gun to the head of the voice actor and just said "scream for me."

It even got me to feel hurt when I saw it. It was almost like watching real war footage. And yeah, I also started to feel sorry for the machines, but in the end the machines did what humans did too, that is enslave humans. So I don't really care for them anymore.

Yeah, the two must disturbing scenes in 2nd reneisance was when they beat up and shot that robot woman in part 1 and then the battle in part 2 with the guy getting ripped out. Quite depressing....
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 04, 2003, 05:08:37 am
the 2nd renaissance also told us that not every human was opposed to living with the AIs.

maybe that's why they were 'lenient'?
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Mr Carrot on June 04, 2003, 05:18:54 am
I liked the 2nd rennasiance, 2 things did erk me somewhat, firstly they killed a good deal of the machines then let them set up a seperate city with R&D and production facilities and didnt expect them to retaliate at a later date??

2ndly the bit where they block out the sunlight...... yes Morpheus told us about it in the first film but didnt anyone think it didnt achieve anything at all? Ok it was a desperate final act but even the machines that were ment to be solar powered carried on attacking and they suddenly had new human powered machines on stand by behind them!

It would have been cool if the robot attacks had subsided for a while but due to the scouring of the sky they came out with the big human harvesting machines.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: J.F.K. on June 04, 2003, 07:02:27 am
The storyline was pretty cool, but I was just gobsmacked by Osiris. I know, I know, nowadays if you can imagine it you can render and animate it, but... it still amazes me. :nod:
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Turnsky on June 04, 2003, 07:04:57 am
well final flight was made by square....

i just got a look a 'detective story' pretty cool..
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Gortef on June 04, 2003, 11:45:21 am
I've seen the 4 online ones. And Detective story was the best one. I wasn't so much into the other ones... those were ok.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: beatspete on June 05, 2003, 01:18:29 pm
Final flight of the Osiris could/should have been at the start of the Matrix Reloaded itself, as it said in the making-of. It was just like the film itself.

I liked the Animatrix on the whole, not really for the artwork (of which i preferd the detective's), but for the extension of the story in the film, and how it expands on it and gives us more depth to the Matrix universe - just like the starwars magazines etc.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Bobboau on June 05, 2003, 09:48:23 pm
could someone give a link
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Su-tehp on June 06, 2003, 01:16:16 am
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Originally posted by Bobboau
could someone give a link


Yeah, give a link, I wanna see this too.

Has Animatrix come out on DVD now or do we have to wait a little longer?

I'd ask for a summary/timeline of how the Animatrix stories tie into the Matrix movies, but I don't want anyone to spoil the surprise. I wanna see Animatrix for myself before I hear more comments on it. Hmm... maybe I shouldn't have responded to this thread then? :confused:

What I wanna know is: were there really five prior iterations of the Matrix, like the Architect said? And does Animatrix tell the stories of what happened between the creation of the AIs in the early 21st century and the appearance of Neo in the first Matrix movie?

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"You didn't answer my question."
"Quite right. Strange...that was quicker than the others."
"Others? What others?"

--Neo and the Architect, Matrix Reloaded
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Kamikaze on June 06, 2003, 01:19:52 am
Spoiler:
there's some evidence for multiple matrices, one of them being the merovingian's "I have survived your predecessors" line. So it seems likely.


www.intothematrix.com has 4 of them. if you don't like streams you can find the download links in the source code. You'll need quicktime 6 iirc.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Nico on June 06, 2003, 02:16:43 am
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Originally posted by Su-tehp

1) a summary/timeline of how the Animatrix stories tie into the Matrix movies, but I don't want anyone to spoil the surprise. I wanna see Animatrix for myself before I hear more comments on it. Hmm... maybe I shouldn't have responded to this thread then? :confused:

2) What I wanna know is: were there really five prior iterations of the Matrix, like the Architect said? And does Animatrix tell the stories of what happened between the creation of the AIs in the early 21st century and the appearance of Neo in the first Matrix movie?

 

note, I'm talking about the ones released on internet, and there should be no spoiler.

1) yes/no. the two "second renaissance" episodes tells you about the rebellion of the machines and the war with the humans. the others are stand alone episodes that could happen anytime before/during the two matrix movies.
and Flight of Osiris happens right before Reloaded.

2) well, dunno if there was 5, but there was at least one ( Smith talks about a single one existing before the actual one in the first movie -the one where everybody was happy and all, that was a big failure coz mankind can't live in happiness, d'uh! stupid robots -). for the second part, see 1)
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: J.F.K. on June 06, 2003, 08:54:08 am
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
Has Animatrix come out on DVD now or do we have to wait a little longer?


If you can buy it in Australia, you can buy it anywhere. :D

http://www.thematrix.com/rl_cmp/buy_frameset.html
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 06, 2003, 10:08:55 am
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Originally posted by J.F.K.


If you can buy it in Australia, you can buy it anywhere. :D

http://www.thematrix.com/rl_cmp/buy_frameset.html


meh, we only get it on the 11th.

(though I've had it since early May :drevil:

Only a few more days for the official version with all the extras (something to watch when the exams are over):D
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Su-tehp on June 06, 2003, 02:58:00 pm
Just ordered my copy of Animatrix at Amazon.com, along with the latest Bond flick, Die Another Day. Yeah, some people may consider it strange to order up two movies of such radically different genres, but hey, they're both action flicks designed to appeal to male, testosterone-addicted mindsets.

I'm a guy, what can I say? :D :thepimp: :lol:
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Dark_4ce on June 06, 2003, 03:00:55 pm
You aint the only one... ;)

*drools over Animatrix DVD*

My... Prrrecccsioussssss....
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 06, 2003, 04:30:24 pm
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Originally posted by Su-tehp

I'm a guy, what can I say? :D :thepimp: :lol:


as long as you don't show proof you can say what you want (we ain't listening anyway ;) :p )
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Bobboau on June 06, 2003, 06:17:11 pm
I hate MOVs
every time I need to veiw one I need to upgrade
and there slow as hell
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Flaser on June 06, 2003, 08:04:58 pm
For heaven's sake...why does it have to ask for a floppy every single ocassion I open up a mov file?

You tell me...

:mad:
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Mr Carrot on June 06, 2003, 08:30:52 pm
Rosemund Pike in BATTLE BRA ownz animatrix tbh.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: J.F.K. on June 06, 2003, 08:43:05 pm
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I hate MOVs
every time I need to veiw one I need to upgrade
and there slow as hell


Yeah, I don't know why people ever use MOVs. There has to be a reason. :ick

I convert all my MOVs to DivX 5.0.x before bothering to watch them. Especially stuff like the Matrix trailers or the new HL2 improved gameplay preview (anyone else seen it?), where it completely defeats the purpose when the damn thing runs like a crippled rat. :doubt:
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Su-tehp on June 11, 2003, 11:08:05 pm
I just watched the 4 preview episodes of the Animatrix they have at thematrix.com. And all I can say is...

WHERE'S THAT FRIGGIN' JAW-DROP SMILIE WHEN YOU NEED IT?!?!?!?

"Detective Story" was okay, "Second Renaisance" (both parts) was really cool, and "Program" friggin' rocked ass!

I can't wait to see the rest! With a little luck, my copy of Animatrix should be arriving tommorrow. WOOT! ;7 :D
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Nico on June 12, 2003, 01:46:20 am
I liked a detective's story better, I think. the whole polar thing appeals much to me :p
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: J.F.K. on June 12, 2003, 07:00:23 am
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Originally posted by Venom
I liked a detective's story better, I think. the whole polar thing appeals much to me :p


Detective Story's probably my favourite too... but yeah, I'm gonna go rent all 9 for sure. :):yes:
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Turnsky on June 14, 2003, 02:42:45 am
i've rented it, so here's my little review:

Final flight of the osiris:
Great.. good CG, makes me wonder why square quit the movies biz... they could at least apply thier pro techniques to movie special effects..:nod:

The Second Renaissance Pts I,II
sure as hell explains a lot... mind you, it all kinda reminds me of Skynet...Like The multitude of religous references tho.. makes you wonder tho.. will it take a human screw-up of that magnitude in order to 'unite' the human race in order to prevent it's own annihilation..?:doubt:

Kids story..
Alright i guess.. good, and a tad surreal..

Program..
Swords and bullet-time, what's not to like..;)

World Record..
A tad unusual.. didn't like the 'artistic license' for the agents tho.. they looked like they belonged from 'Syndicate wars'.

Beyond..
Like Kids story.. surreal..  Just see it and give you opinion...
mind you, it seems  the matrix has far more efficient bug-fixing than microsoft:p

Detective Story..
Great, I liked.. ain't much more to say about it..

Matriculated..
:wtf: 'Kay...
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: J.F.K. on June 14, 2003, 02:53:07 am
Are there any special features on the DVD?
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: beatspete on June 14, 2003, 02:53:59 am
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Originally posted by Turnsky
Matriculated..
:wtf: 'Kay...


:nod:
Its a good idea - reprogramming the machines n' all - and the scenes outside the 'program' are all very well done. But in the 'program'? How do robots smoke drugs? :wtf:
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Su-tehp on June 14, 2003, 08:18:12 pm
Since Turnsky  just gave a review and I just recieved my copy of Animatrix from Amazon.com today, I'll compare and contrast my review with his. :nod: ;7

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Originally posted by Turnsky
i've rented it, so here's my little review:

Final flight of the osiris:
Great.. good CG, makes me wonder why square quit the movies biz... they could at least apply thier pro techniques to movie special effects..:nod:


When I watched my copy of Animatrix today, I had already seen the preview episodes Second Renaissance (both parts), Program and Detective Story, in that order on thematrix.com website. I made sure to save Final Flight of the Osiris for last when I watched the remaining episodes today. I liked it and it leads nicely into Enter the Matrix (video game) and the Matrix Reloaded movie. Of course, now that I know that Enter the Matrix deals with how that videotape got from the Osiris to Zion, I have to buy and play the game (naturally).

God, the Wachowski Brothers are worse than Bill Gates! :D

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Originally posted by Turnsky
The Second Renaissance Pts I,II
sure as hell explains a lot... mind you, it all kinda reminds me of Skynet...Like The multitude of religous references tho.. makes you wonder tho.. will it take a human screw-up of that magnitude in order to 'unite' the human race in order to prevent it's own annihilation..?:doubt:


I liked Second Renaissance. Still, there did seem to be a couple of nagging holes in the story. Morpheus mentions in the original Matrix movie that when AI was first created in the 21st Century, it began as "a single consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines." But we never see this "singular consciousness" in Second Renaissance. Why not?

Maybe this "singular consciousness" is, in fact, the Source mentioned in Matrix Reloaded and we'll see it in Matrix Revolutions. Maybe.

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Originally posted by Turnsky
Kids story..
Alright i guess.. good, and a tad surreal..


Good story, but the artwork just seemed off. I prefer my anime to have solid lines, rather than the herky-jerky incomplete lines of "coloring crayon" anime. I wish I could explain it better, but the artwork in this episode just wasn't sharp enough for my tastes.

All the same, this story explains what Neo meant when he said to The Kid in Matrix Reloaded:"I didn't find you, you found me. I didn't save you, you saved yourself."

Having Carrie-Ann Moss and Keanu Reeves use their real voices in this episode was a big plus. I wasn't really sure it was Reeves' voice in this episode until I saw the credits. It was. :nod:

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Originally posted by Turnsky
Program..
Swords and bullet-time, what's not to like..;)


My favorite of the preview episodes. I loved the ending twist; I sure as hell didn't see it coming.

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Originally posted by Turnsky
World Record..
A tad unusual.. didn't like the 'artistic license' for the agents tho.. they looked like they belonged from 'Syndicate wars'.


Yeah, I had problems with how the agents in this episode looked also.

And I'm no doctor, but I'm still leery of the concept of just how muscles "explode" of their own accord, Matrix reality or no.

All the same, a good story describing how there are "other" methods of realizing that one is trapped in the Matrix, or at least realizing that the created "reality" inside the Matrix is...not quite right.

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Originally posted by Turnsky
Beyond..
Like Kids Story.. surreal..  Just see it and give you opinion...
mind you, it seems  the matrix has far more efficient bug-fixing than microsoft:p


Yeah, but not by much. ;)

Makes sense, though. The matrix is like a REALLY humongous MMORG (Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game) with about 6 billion people inside. It's to be expected that a few sectors inside the Matrix would be...unstable.

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Originally posted by Turnsky
Detective Story..
Great, I liked.. ain't much more to say about it..


I was disappointed by this story, to tell the truth. Or, to be more accurate, the ending disappointed me. Seeing Ash's lighter blow out like that and not seeing him die just seemed to bring the story to a screeching, too-early halt. Aside from that, the story of a detective trying to track Trinity down did keep my attention. Too bad Ash never got to meet Morpheus or Neo...

Detective Story also pointed out something that I should have realized earlier after watching the first Matrix movie: when Neo was bugged and Trinity was taking him to see Morpheus, why didn't any of the agents possess Neo once the bug was removed and as soon as Neo first met Morpheus? Neo was still hardwired into the Matrix and could still have been possessed by an agent at that point, couldn't he?

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Originally posted by Turnsky
Matriculated..
:wtf: 'Kay...


This was one of the better episodes, I thought. Again, the ending disappointed me (I hate seeing the humans, the purported good guys, die in this war) but seeing the converted runner robot standing vigil, continuing the humans' mission of converting more robots to the humans' side was very poignant and moving. Too bad, the humans and the other human-aligned robots were killed off, though.

Still, it's war and every war has casualties. No getting around that.

For those of you who are Matrix fans and haven't seen the Animatrix yet, go see it. You won't be disappointed.
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Turnsky on June 14, 2003, 08:23:43 pm
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Originally posted by Su-tehp


And I'm no doctor, but I'm still leery of the concept of just how muscles "explode" of their own accord, Matrix reality or no.
 


they can melt... i've heard it happen... this guy's muscles liquified from dehydration..
Title: The Animatrix
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 15, 2003, 02:55:53 am
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Originally posted by Su-tehp

This was one of the better episodes, I thought. Again, the ending disappointed me (I hate seeing the humans, the purported good guys, die in this war) but seeing the converted runner robot standing vigil, continuing the humans' mission of converting more robots to the humans' side was very poignant and moving. Too bad, the humans and the other human-aligned robots were killed off, though.

Still, it's war and every war has casualties. No getting around that.

For those of you who are Matrix fans and haven't seen the Animatrix yet, go see it. You won't be disappointed.


Well, I've heard rumours that in Matrix: Revolutions there's a line where Morpheus says: 'He(it?) is working for us?' Maybe that refers to matriculated.