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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: zinjo on June 06, 2003, 02:03:18 pm
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The very first thing we need to do to revive interest in the mods is enthusiatic new blood!
This can only be accomplished in steps:
1. We need a downloadable ISO (aka: full disc image- not the ripped version) of the original game!!!
If new people can't get the original game then how can they play the mods??
The enthusiasm of new blood is essential for any community.
The source code has been released, therefore it is now public domain.
Uploading it to a site like "Filefront" would be best as they will burn discs for a nominal fee, for those who don't have burners.
2. We need to get the "completed" Mods and TC's better exposure and hype
These are flagship modifications and should be prominently displayed.
It not only encourages the development group, but also other groups who are struggling to get motivated.
3. Dead or dying mods need to be dealt with
Having links to dead mod sites, just reinforces the notion the the Community is dead or dying,even if it isn't.
The leaders of dead mods should be encouraged to either release what they have, or at least release their work into a "mod pool" for other groups to use (with the proper credit of course).
If the mod is truly dead, then it should be removed from any links on active community sites.
4. The Source Code project should be releasing "packages" or "patches" that can be easily downloaded and installed
This would give the modders the abilty to specify what enhancements are needed to properly run their mod and where to get it.
The community isn't dead, nor is it a forum for socializing (only), it just needs new blood and new excitement about an already great game and equally great mods.
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Huh? Wha...? Where...? and who?
This would be thread #24865234823491293623492834 where these points are adressed IIRC... :p
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I think it's actually 24865234823491293623492835 now.
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So then, essentially, no one wants to really do anything about the decline, but *****?:doubt:
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well, lemme see, the concept art contest, the working on avialability of the all the missing files, and some toher stuff, and a n00b with 6 posts comes in and tells us we're not doing anything.
off course, we suck, we're all idiots who are to stupid to do a thing, and we will all listen to this magnificent lightbringer, let'smake im mod, even better, let's make him admin! he'll help us through these troubled times, the great sheppard he is! :rolleyes:
for all those who don't understand sarcasm, this is sarcasm, this is not serious.
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Originally posted by zinjo
So then, essentially, no one wants to really do anything about the decline, but *****?:doubt:
Well, why don't you start helping instead of telling us what to do? You're fresh blood, get off your ass and help with something. Learn to MOD, make a website, upload fs2 to Filefront...
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Originally posted by zinjo
So then, essentially, no one wants to really do anything about the decline, but *****?:doubt:
You've chosen a bad time to post this topic Zinjo. There are at least 4-5 posts on this board alone dedicated to how to stop the rot and save FS2.
What you've posted has either already been posted this week by someone else or is incorrect (FS2 isn't public domain by a long shot. If it was the ISOs would have been up on fileplanet or another similar site within days of the source being released).
Anyway Solatar has the right idea. Instead of telling us what we already know and getting upset when we tell you we already know why not contribute to the community instead?
Anyway welcome to HLP.
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What Kasperl said. Only nastier. How dumb do you have to be for your second post to be ****-talking the people who can, and are, solving the problem in much more useful, interesting ways than yours?
I mean, really. Did that just come out because random keys were getting hit while you were gnawing on your keyboard?
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:nod:
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Uuhh... Yeah!
Btw,
:D:D:D Welcome to the HLPBB! :D:D:D
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
What Kasperl said.
wait a minute, the master of sarcasm and flames agrees with my sarcastic flame, i am honored.
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ok, now let's not get overexcited here :p He's new, let's not scare away everyone who makes a mistake.
So, welcome!
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I would flame him, but I'm doing......Other Stuff™[/u][/i].
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Originally posted by karajorma
You've chosen a bad time to post this topic Zinjo. There are at least 4-5 posts on this board alone dedicated to how to stop the rot and save FS2.
What you've posted has either already been posted this week by someone else or is incorrect (FS2 isn't public domain by a long shot. If it was the ISOs would have been up on fileplanet or another similar site within days of the source being released).
Anyway Solatar has the right idea. Instead of telling us what we already know and getting upset when we tell you we already know why not contribute to the community instead?
Anyway welcome to HLP.
Ahhhh, then my bad.
Tho, I will see if I can create an ISO of my copy of Freespace 2. If it works, I'll need to find a place to upload it....
RE: the ISO, It probably still is an owned property, but we will never know if we can make an ISO available, until we try.
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Originally posted by Tiara
ok, now let's not get overexcited here :p He's new, let's not scare away everyone who makes a mistake.
So, welcome!
And flamers wonder why their groups diminish...:confused:
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Originally posted by zinjo
RE: the ISO, It probably still is an owned property, but we will never know if we can make an ISO available, until we try.
Search the damn forums. This has been dealt with.
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Originally posted by zinjo
1. We need a downloadable ISO (aka: full disc image- not the ripped version) of the original game!!!
2. We need to get the "completed" Mods and TC's better exposure and hype
3. Dead or dying mods need to be dealt with
4. The Source Code project should be releasing "packages" or "patches" that can be easily downloaded and installed
Hey Zinjo, welcome to HLP :)
OK, let me give my opinions on what you've stated...
1) OK, saying we need a downloadable ISO of the original game (FS2 i presume?) is one thing, but doing it is another. you see, the first reason, is part of HLP (Hard Light Production)'s hosting contract is to stay away from anything warez, because that makes the host, 3DAP (http://www.3dap.com) look bad. since downloading the ISO may not seem illegal since the source code has been released, as some have suggested, the things INCLUDED in the ISO aren't freeware yet, and probably never will be, so it's not "legal" to download the ISOs per say. Second, let's say all three FS2 CDs hold 600 MB each... that's 2.2 GB for the entire thing. If 5 people download it a day, in a 30 day month that's 330 Gigabytes... that's a lot of stress for any server, bandwidth limitations are RARELY in the hundreds... since most of the HLP community are students and don't have much time and/or money, getting a server to support this much strain (even renting one) would just be out of our limits.
2) True (and/or) no comment.
3) True (and/or) no comment.
4) OK, since the FSSCP (Freespace Source Code Project)'s start, every so often a "release" is released, for the community to test, and use. Releases can be found at the FSSCP webpage (http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/fsscp).
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There's not much reading there to keep you from repeatedly making an ass of yourself, dude. We've got a modified copy of FS2 up, we're going to add full functionality to it, we don't need an ISO.
There are very few really completed mods. The ones there are, everyone who asks knows about, and if there's a sudden resurgence of membership, other accomodations will come. Right now, and for the forseeable future, they're completely unnecessary.
We've already discussed the "dead and dying mods" bit, and at least one admin has agreed- there's been no comment from the others. We'll see- by this weekend, everything should have started to get rolling, but right now everyone's got **** to do.
And that would only complicate the Source. Right now, it's in one easy-to-use package, great for everyone, and if they don't want any new functions they can just turn them off or not use them. We don't need a huge frickin' song and dance, or 500 separate downloads necessary to make use of half a dozen campaigns.
Drop the self-righteous attitude, kid. If you'd bothered to read the threads directly under yours, you'd know this ****, and you'd know you are not some savior come down to the forum to tell us savages the bleeding obvious, like it's resolving relativity with quantum physics. No wonder you get flames. If all the "enthusiastic new blood" is this arrogant and insistent on remaining ignorant, despite repeated requests to read up on the very thing they're talking about, I vote we request the HOTU upload be taken down. :rolleyes:
Now either go join a campaign or help out with the videocapture or something, or just be quiet, okay? I don't not get paid to be bothered by silly little buggers and then called a flamer for not putting up with them.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Drop the self-righteous attitude, kid. If you'd bothered to read the threads directly under yours, you'd know this ****, and you'd know you are not some savior come down to the forum to tell us savages the bleeding obvious, like it's resolving relativity with quantum physics. No wonder you get flames.:rolleyes:
lol Stryke.
c'mon man, go easy on this guy, he's still new to the forums! tell him what's going on, but don't yell at him :)
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Sheesh. I yell at the newbies, I get trouble. I yell at the admins, I get trouble. I yell at Razor, Razor keeps posting. When will it all end???
:D
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Sheesh. I yell at the newbies, I get trouble. I yell at the admins, I get trouble. I yell at Razor, Razor keeps posting. When will it all end???
:D
In your case, never!:D
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only ZylonBane can yell at newbies and get away with it
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Maybe I should take to yelling at houseplants...
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i don't know... you might get in trouble for that... i won't say yes or no
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ZylonBane doesn't yell. That's my problem with him, he says something quietly and sits there looking smug, making me want to punch him. We need a version of VBulletain where you can punch people in the face.
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how do you know he says it quietly when you can't see his face?
how do you know he sits there smug when you can't see him?
yeah, i know what you mean though :D
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Originally posted by Stealth
lol Stryke.
c'mon man, go easy on this guy, he's still new to the forums! tell him what's going on, but don't yell at him :)
Actually Stryker, I was on these forums before you knew ****!
I left, because I simply got bored with the "self righteous" asses that you seem to be the emperor to.
Back in the day, before school let out, the community was great, and many Mods looked great.
TBP for example. Wonderful job.
Did I make a newb mistake, sure....
But when the average age of the poster on these boards was greater than 15, you would be quietly corrected and sent on your merry way.
Now, the snot nosed ****s flame everybody, because they don't have the balls to stand up to their daddies..
Well, kids have fun, I'll see you at the funeral.... :doubt:
I have more mature boards to visit.....:no:
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
ZylonBane doesn't yell. That's my problem with him, he says something quietly and sits there looking smug, making me want to punch him. We need a version of VBulletain where you can punch people in the face.
NedBulletin?
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oh c'mon man. give us a chance :D
there's a few punks, like an0n, ZylonBane, and Stryke 9, but they've got their good points too! an0n hosts Nodwars, Stryke9 is involved with your #1 point: getting a FS2 ISO hosted, and Zylon... well... i don't know what he's good for
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Ah, but would a firewall affect that? You don't want your fist tangled up in some guy's router.
Besides which, you really need a T1 link to properly upload a good beating. Best you can do with DSL is poke them in the eye.
Stealth: Don't encourage him. Trust me, there's plenty of ones just like 'im where he came from, and if this works we'll be meeting a lot of them.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
When will it all end???
:D
Probably when Shrike finally comes to his senses, lays off the whips and handcuffs, and goes on a banning spree.
or when George W. Bush starts tap-dancing on the Academy Awards Ceremony, whichever occurs first.
In either case, ninja or whatever your name is, addresses number 1, 2, 3, 4, are being dealt with, or dealt with already.
(http://members.cox.net/wmcoolmon/images/welcome.gif)
Welcome to the HLPBB. Once you're here you never leave. Don't mind the flamethrowers pointed at you, there all filled with... CANDY! (because Shrike took away the gas for his own indecent purposes. Stay away from the ventilation shafts, you'll be fine.
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Originally posted by zinjo
Actually Stryker, I was on these forums before you knew ****!
I left, because I simply got bored with the "self righteous" asses that you seem to be the emperor to.
Back in the day, before school let out, the community was great, and many Mods looked great.
TBP for example. Wonderful job.
Did I make a newb mistake, sure....
But when the average age of the poster on these boards was greater than 15, you would be quietly corrected and sent on your merry way.
Now, the snot nosed ****s flame everybody, because they don't have the balls to stand up to their daddies..
Well, kids have fun, I'll see you at the funeral.... :doubt:
I have more mature boards to visit.....:no:
Well that went rather well. :doubt:
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meh, can't delete this one
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Probably when Shrike finally comes to his senses, lays off the whips and handcuffs, and goes on a banning spree.
Nah, it's not that bad.
Originally posted by Stunaep Welcome to the HLPBB. Once you're here you never leave. Don't mind the flamethrowers pointed at you, there all filled with... CANDY! (because Shrike took away the gas for his own indecent purposes. Stay away from the ventilation shafts, you'll be fine.
What, you don't like candy-cannons?
Originally posted by vyper
Well that went rather well. :doubt:
Indeed.
Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
How long before God, or in his case Shrike, but that's basically the same, bans him, :D
Who? Stryke? Razor? An0n? You?
I suggest the rest of you settle down slightly and try not to be such pricks. I know it's difficult.
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Originally posted by zinjo
Actually Stryker, I was on these forums before you knew ****!
I left, because I simply got bored with the "self righteous" asses that you seem to be the emperor to.
Back in the day, before school let out, the community was great, and many Mods looked great.
TBP for example. Wonderful job.
Did I make a newb mistake, sure....
But when the average age of the poster on these boards was greater than 15, you would be quietly corrected and sent on your merry way.
Now, the snot nosed ****s flame everybody, because they don't have the balls to stand up to their daddies..
Well, kids have fun, I'll see you at the funeral.... :doubt:
I have more mature boards to visit.....:no:
:wtf:
Meh, your so called "mature" boards are either boring or pr0n. :p (This was a joke btw :D)
Don't take this so hard. Yes, there are childish persons on this board but just don't pay attention to them (or at least don't let them get to you). However, I know that the largest part is friendly and does not participate in the childish actions of those few who seemingly want the admins to go on a hunting spree and have all our freedoms limited.
In other ways: Relax, and have fun! :)
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Originally posted by zinjo
Actually Stryker, I was on these forums before you knew ****!
*cough*wrongname*cough*
*sneeze*registerdates*sneeze*
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Originally posted by vyper
Well that went rather well. :doubt:
One thing, I've learned is never walk away from any forum, without taking one last look.
Thankfully, HLP still has awsome moderators.
Thus, in light of my obviously "out of touch" post, I'll reserve comments until after I've been reading for a while and get caught up.
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Originally posted by Hippo
*cough*wrongname*cough*
*sneeze*registerdates*sneeze*
*cough*differentname*cough*
*cough*inactivebynow*sneeze*
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Another Vancouverite, eh?
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Sure it's not Toronto, with all the coughing?
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Originally posted by Stealth
oh c'mon man. give us a chance :D
there's a few punks, like an0n, ZylonBane, and Stryke 9, but they've got their good points too! an0n hosts Nodwars, Stryke9 is involved with your #1 point: getting a FS2 ISO hosted, and Zylon... well... i don't know what he's good for
.......*flies to the US with a shotgun and 60lbs of C4, getting no trouble from customs*
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[color=66ff00]Wecome zinjo and yes, try not to take our more interesting members too seriously, we all get on with very few exceptions. Some here require expletives to express themselves, some require spurious outbursts, some require detailed descriptions of mass violence on a contenental scale.
Don't worry about it, there's more good than bad here and it's definitly an interesting place to say the least. :nod:
Summary: Welcome to HLP, submit a drawing to the art competition. :D
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Originally posted by an0n
.......*flies to the US with a shotgun and 60lbs of C4, getting no trouble from customs*
lol, try it :D
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Sure it's not Toronto, with all the coughing?
It would make one wonder wouldn't it....
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'Awsome moderators'? I wonder if Shrike will fall for that...
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Alright man, dont take these guys seriously. They treat each other badly nevermind the newbies. Sorry you got flamed and all that ****.
So guys, this is the great plan? Make a huge move to revatilize the community through exposure and mods and such, then when new people show up we yell at them and drive them away? Settle down and play nice damnit, cause you're all ( ok *most people in the thread *) acting like a bunch of self-righteous assholes.
Now then, zinjo, welcome to the HLPBB. Dont take it too harshly. Theres always room for new people, especially those willing to help out with the community. About your idea of making an FS2 ISO. I think its a great idea if you can pull it off and get hosting for it. The next hurdle would be how to advertise the existence of it, though thats another story. As for hosting, try contacting deepeyes, he has a thread about hosting community projects, its either on the first page or the next. I assume Gamespy would have some problems with hosting the file, so outside hosting would probably be needed. If you send me the ISO I could put it up on Bit Torrent, which would get a few people interested atleast.
I agree with you that the dead projects should be ackowledged as such, and their staff moved to other projects which actually have a chance of bieng finished. I'de rather have 5 go, clean solid campaigns then 20 or so unfinished crappy ones. Ofcourse, who gets to decide which ones get worked on and which ones dont. I think for example that Reciprocity, TVWP, Inferno, OTT and a few otherones should the most promise, as well as bieng the most complete. If someone hasnt already done it, I'll try to do a status check with the leaders of each project, to see whats feasible.
Anyways, welcome again, always glad to see new blood here.
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Aaaahhhh!! :eek:
/Rebuilds house, pacifies the capital, calls up the Bureo of Nat.Aff. to take care of the Martians with their silence petitions./ :nervous:
Well that was one hell of flaming/fire-fighting.:rolleyes:
Anyway let's play it nice...somewhere in the middle.
Most receant threads in the topic I managed to follow:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,15547.0.html - FS1 d/l
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,15509.0.html - organisation
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,15506.0.html - Upgrade art-contest
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,15114.0.html - Follow up on is FS dead?
That's it.
:sigh:
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Rictor, this guy might be a newbie, he doesn't say so himself, but it looks like he is. fine, he's a newbie and i geuss we should be nice to him. but if he's going on like he's the only one in here who actually has some brains, that's not usefull, good, or in anyway helpfull for the survival of the community.
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Originally posted by kasperl
Rictor, this guy might be a newbie, he deson't saqy so himself, but it looks like he is. fine, he's a newbie and i geuss we should be nice to him. but if he's going on like he's the only one in here who actaully has some brains, that's not usefull, good, or in anyway helpfull for the survival of the community.
Meh, from the looks of your spelling he has more brains then you..
(That was not meant seriously)
But, please, at least he tries to do something for the community from the start. I'd say thats a good thing ;)
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Originally posted by Tiara
Meh, from the looks of your spelling he has more brains then you..
(That was not meant seriously)
i'm tired, and i was writing a schoolpaper in dutch at the same time, and doing some other stuff too.
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Originally posted by zinjo
Thankfully, HLP still has awsome moderators.
We have moderation? WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME? :p
Anyway, welcome back. Glad you changed you're mind.
*adds +1 to the list of active members*
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*paints house and car camoflague*