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Off-Topic Discussion => Arts & Talents => Topic started by: Nico on June 09, 2003, 05:15:49 pm
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(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/cover01.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page01.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page02.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page03.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page04.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/MI01.jpg)
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So it's wolves with Turnsky, and goats with you?
You artist types are frightening.:D
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Heh... well, it is the internet.:D
Anyway. VERY nice. Looks pro. Just one question.
What's with the name? Keeps sounding like a war over lowfat shortening alternative or something to me.
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what the big guy said :nod:
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Heh... well, it is the internet.:D
Anyway. VERY nice. Looks pro. Just one question.
What's with the name? Keeps sounding like a war over lowfat shortening alternative or something to me.
well he IS french:p
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Incidentially, is the lightning just eraser over the gray sky, or what?
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just my little critique...the narative diologe should either have little arrows showing where it's from, or should be in little yellow boxes with small font writing in them, and also decrease the space between the individual panels. IMHO it's a bit too big atm.
It's also very 1337. Continue. I want to know why we have two flying rocks shooting at a goat ;)
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that is some very good artwork. highly detailed and what not.
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venom, i hope you're not gonna upstage me:p
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Note the menace in the words: "After Turnsky".:D
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well... venom's comic has no anthros in it i guess, would i be right by saying that venom?
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w00t! more replies than I expected.
mmh, in the order:
"So it's wolves with Turnsky, and goats with you?
You artist types are frightening."
:lol:
"What's with the name? "
Oleon, deformation of Eol ( her... dunno how you write it in english. god of wind ).
"well he IS french"
:p
"Incidentially, is the lightning just eraser over the gray sky, or what?"
white brush. oh, yeah, as a side note, it's 100% computer work, no scan, nothing.
"just my little critique...the narative diologe should either have little arrows showing where it's from,"
those who are speaking are not in the direct viscinity.
"or should be in little yellow boxes with small font writing in them,"
why yellow? I don't feel like boxes are needed as the text is outside the boxes. that makes the thing clearer, I think, less cluttered.
"and also decrease the space between the individual panels. IMHO it's a bit too big atm."
That can be done.
"I want to know why we have two flying rocks shooting at a goat"
meh!
"venom, i hope you're not gonna upstage me"
that's not the point...
"Note the menace in the words: "After Turnsky"."
... but that said... :D
"well... venom's comic has no anthros in it i guess, would i be right by saying that venom?"
mmh... clicky! (http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/renders/OWtrailer.avi) . Well there's some. but not the same way as yours ;)
"-Anyway. VERY nice. Looks pro.
-It's also very 1337. Continue.
-that is some very good artwork. highly detailed and what not."
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :D
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damn you and your graphics tablets...
(http://users.bigpond.net.au/turnsky/images/dsk.jpg)
and yes, i'm still drawing foxfire...
*sees trailer*:eek2:
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(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/OWwip01.jpg)
middle box of page03 :)
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i wonder what BL would say to this :p
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urge to kill rising.....
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that's what i thought..;)
he's trying to steal our thunder....
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O
My
God
this is amazing!
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yeah i know we're both good;) :thepimp:
but his isn't in color:p
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i think the black and white actually adds some mystisism, actaully, this reminds me of some of the artwork on the cards of Magic: The Gathering.
really nice,kinda surreal and stuff. Turnskey's art is more realistic and sf like, which is good, but this is just as amazing.
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Originally posted by kasperl
Turnskey's art is more realistic and sf like, which is good, but this is just as amazing.
it's TURNSKY...;)
and you're right... two different styles can't really compete with each other
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Originally posted by Turnsky
it's TURNSKY...;)
and you're right... two different styles can't really compete with each other
sorry :nervous:
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bah, that's alright... i've only had my name mispelled twice...
hell, at high school i earnt a alternate name of "lukavich turnerofsky"
which evidently, became "Turnsky"
mind you, it never ceases to amaze me when friends i've known for YEARS come up to me and say: "Did you Know you've got different color eyes" the part that gets me is the "did you know part".:p
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Originally posted by Turnsky
the part that gets me is the "did you know part".:p
Proves how ludicrous people can be.
"Remember yesterday, when...."
and so on.
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indeed..
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This is pretty damn cool... :) Not quite like Turnsky, but duh. :D Love it, can't wait for the next bit. :yes:
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speaking of comics... i've already finished the next installment...
but.. until wednesday..:devil:
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Originally posted by Turnsky
but.. until wednesday..:devil:
;7
Oh no, wait! US time! Bummer :p
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Meh, if you had my friends, the "remember yesterday" bit is an honest question. Short-term memory's kinda a thing that way.
Anyway. I thought Venom's was a little closer to photorealistic, while Turnsky's has a bit of a comicy style, but whatever. Either way.
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well there really isn't anything new to what I said on ICQ... this is exellent, it looks really good :nod:
(these ones made me remember... if I only could rip myself out of the FF9 and continue my comic :D )
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Originally posted by Gortef
well there really isn't anything new to what I said on ICQ...
yes you can! look, I've fixed the merging problem between the goat head and the sound behind it :D
-i wonder what BL would say to this
-urge to kill rising.....
-that's what i thought..
he's trying to steal our thunder.... "
heh?
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Originally posted by Venom
heh?
*eliminates competition*
Oh well, looks cool anyway
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Originally posted by kasperl
i think the black and white actually adds some mystisism, actaully, this reminds me of some of the artwork on the cards of Magic: The Gathering.
well, it'll be all black and white ( save if I do a cover page of some sort ), so if someone don't like, he won't be pleased :p
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[color=66ff00]Moody and atmospheric with good scene layout. I like. :yes:
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Originally posted by Venom
well, it'll be all black and white ( save if I do a cover page of some sort ), so if someone don't like, he won't be pleased :p
i don't mind B&W, look at the chpt 1 cover for foxfire.. i did it just for the mood...
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btw, could a mod stickify that?
[color=66ff00]np[/color]
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new foxfire up..(chapter 1) :thepimp:
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yup, I saw :)
nice, but I don't think I'd scream "noooooooooooo!" if I saw hands like that, I think I'd run for the closest miror first :)
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Originally posted by Venom
yes you can! look, I've fixed the merging problem between the goat head and the sound behind it :D
Good job :nod:
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Venom...
here's a little forum where you could show off your work..
http://pawzco.hyperboards.com/index.cgi
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I could, but I'm lazy.
Aki: thanks :)
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you're welcome ;)
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I've modified page 01 a bit, and have uploaded page 02. enjoy :)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page02.jpg)
on that lower resolution, it's not really obvious, but there's two other planes shooting at the one on the foreground... I hate explaining, that means there's something wrong :doubt:
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****in' A, Venom, can't you be bad at SOMETHING for once???
I mean, **** man, you got me at models, you're better than I or most anyone here will be t drawing... YOU'RE MAKIN' ME LOOK BAD!
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wait till you see my plans to take over the world, now you'll cry :D
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Bah. Unlikely. I still hold monopoly there.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Bah. Unlikely. I still hold monopoly there.
an0n?
anyway, i like tyhis a lot less, this is too much sf, IMO, i liked the whole fantasy/mystery thing in the first one.
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Yeah, Venom, if you never go and explain what's going on, it'll all be MUCH better.:D
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hmm, yeah, guess you're right, I could explain a bit.
anyway, those who actually checked the trailer I posted a couple months ago could already know what to expect...
ok, quick description, trying not to spoil anything:
Oleon is a world made of flying chunks of rocks, gathered in archipels and stuff, much like real islands, but in the air. All those archipels are ruled by people, some humans, some non-humans. sometimes you have individual city-states, but more often you have "countries" and empires that gather many islands or archipels.
tech-wise: it's a mix between current, basic tech based on much higher technology found in archeological sites. from times to times they find a working device, but most often it's derelicts and things like that, so the people with limited knoledge do what they can with what they find, and often they use stuff for purposes that were probably not the same for the original ( I guess that didn't make sense :p ). There's two "ancient" tehcnologies that can be found:
- the one from the Lost Ones, a very advanced technology, very efficient, but basically out of reach for the current scientists and engineers. usually from about a thousand years old tech
- the one from the Forgottens. Less advanced technology, much older than the one above, but items from that era can be used more often.
Both civilisations were human. It is supposed that all the available tech from the Forgottens is in fact collections or alike for the Lost Ones. Noone remebers what happened to them, and how mankind turned from such an highly advanced civilisation to a neo-industrial civilisation limited by resources, bound to fight for the few islands rich in useable ores, gazes and minerals.
Because of the geography of the world, flying machines are the most common transports. there's all kinds of machines, running on all kinds of gas and engines, from steam machines to compressed air. There's rumours of tests from some kingdoms to use flying rocks to make superheavy warships, bigger than the huge hydrogen war zeppelins.
Rumours says that the island didn't always flew through the skies, and that they were once grounded, and during that time, there was no other sentient species save for humans.
Genesys Pits: very hazardous areas scattered at a few places in the world. They look like twisted volcanoes with impossible shapes, vomiting strange liquids and gaz. It's said that the non-humans were spawned from the Genesys Pits, but nowadays, the only creatures that can be found around Genesys Pits are mutated things, mindless and dangerous creatures that can reach tremendous sizes.
Voila, a very quick summary.
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sounds cool, but IMO, if you use too much found tech, things get too easy.
let's just mention voyagers "alien of the week" syndrome.
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Originally posted by kasperl
sounds cool, but IMO, if you use too much found tech, things get too easy.
nah, I don't. you get to see a lot of old junk that won't make life any different, that's all ( -cool! a fork...- ). for the interesting things ( military or "scientific" stuff ), it's about as common as a F117 parked in a city.
anyway, that's really not that important for the story.
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I'd like to know a single thing:
What's below the air and the floating islands?
Is it an ocean as in the first pic?
BTW I think the whole idea is superb.
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Originally posted by Flaser
I'd like to know a single thing:
What's below the air and the floating islands?
Is it an ocean as in the first pic?
yup. water everywhere.
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Originally posted by Venom
I could, but I'm lazy.
still, have a look around.. you may like it there..;)
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The 3rd page is new to me also... really nice set up. :nod::yes:
Not to mention the whole world actually.
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venom, what image res do you compress the images?
for foxfire i generally work @ 300 pixels/inch and compress the image down to 72..
make use of photoshop's "save for web feature" too(in case you don't already, which i doubt)
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her, don't remember, but I work on big pics. VERY big pics...
for exemple, uncompressed page01 psd file is over 6.6 mb
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only 6.6 mb?
the last page for foxfire i did was a .psd just a hair under 35mb
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mine's in greyscale, remember :p
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ahh.. forgot about that..
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also, decomposition:
I make the pages out of different pics. take page one, it's made of 3 cases.
original first one is 8955kb, second one is 4485kb, and third one is 4210 kb. glued together, resized, etc, it makes the 6635kb page01 psd file.
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i see..
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Originally posted by Venom
hmm, yeah, guess you're right, I could explain a bit.
anyway, those who actually checked the trailer I posted a couple months ago could already know what to expect...
ok, quick description, trying not to spoil anything:
Oleon is a world made of flying chunks of rocks, gathered in archipels and stuff, much like real islands, but in the air. All those archipels are ruled by people, some humans, some non-humans. sometimes you have individual city-states, but more often you have "countries" and empires that gather many islands or archipels.
tech-wise: it's a mix between current, basic tech based on much higher technology found in archeological sites. from times to times they find a working device, but most often it's derelicts and things like that, so the people with limited knoledge do what they can with what they find, and often they use stuff for purposes that were probably not the same for the original ( I guess that didn't make sense :p ). There's two "ancient" tehcnologies that can be found:
- the one from the Lost Ones, a very advanced technology, very efficient, but basically out of reach for the current scientists and engineers. usually from about a thousand years old tech
- the one from the Forgottens. Less advanced technology, much older than the one above, but items from that era can be used more often.
Both civilisations were human. It is supposed that all the available tech from the Forgottens is in fact collections or alike for the Lost Ones. Noone remebers what happened to them, and how mankind turned from such an highly advanced civilisation to a neo-industrial civilisation limited by resources, bound to fight for the few islands rich in useable ores, gazes and minerals.
Because of the geography of the world, flying machines are the most common transports. there's all kinds of machines, running on all kinds of gas and engines, from steam machines to compressed air. There's rumours of tests from some kingdoms to use flying rocks to make superheavy warships, bigger than the huge hydrogen war zeppelins.
Rumours says that the island didn't always flew through the skies, and that they were once grounded, and during that time, there was no other sentient species save for humans.
Genesys Pits: very hazardous areas scattered at a few places in the world. They look like twisted volcanoes with impossible shapes, vomiting strange liquids and gaz. It's said that the non-humans were spawned from the Genesys Pits, but nowadays, the only creatures that can be found around Genesys Pits are mutated things, mindless and dangerous creatures that can reach tremendous sizes.
Voila, a very quick summary.
Coolness, now I'm even more interested. Now keep drawing, will you? :D
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page 03 is done already, I'll post it sunday.
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Venom, you obviously use a tablet(wacom most likely) to do your comic, i've been thinking of getting one to assist me with the production of foxfire..
what's you opinion of them? and would you think foxfire would benefit from me using it?
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no, I use an aiptek. my opinion is that mine is probably a low-end one, but still I love it, so with a wacom it muct be just great.
for foxfire specifically, I dunno if it would be good.
I use mine for everything, you'd use yours for coloring, I suppose. that would change the style of the thing.
really, you have to try by yourself first. if you're like me and you don't have a friend who owns one, well, you'll have to be ready to pay a lot for something you're not sure you'll like. in my case I wasn't disapointed ( even tho at the begining it was highly disturbing, and not that easy :p ).
it's really your call.
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Hey man, it's almost Monday over here :p
When ya gonna post page 3? :)
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Originally posted by Venom
no, I use an aiptek. my opinion is that mine is probably a low-end one, but still I love it, so with a wacom it muct be just great.
for foxfire specifically, I dunno if it would be good.
I use mine for everything, you'd use yours for coloring, I suppose. that would change the style of the thing.
really, you have to try by yourself first. if you're like me and you don't have a friend who owns one, well, you'll have to be ready to pay a lot for something you're not sure you'll like. in my case I wasn't disapointed ( even tho at the begining it was highly disturbing, and not that easy :p ).
it's really your call.
well, i still might do various aspects of character design the way i've always had, i really just need it when i have to do backgrounds and such, (incase you haven't noticed, they suck;) )
and JFK, it's sunday morning over on the northern hemisphere, dunno about the timezones in france tho..
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Originally posted by Turnsky
and JFK, it's sunday morning over on the northern hemisphere, dunno about the timezones in france tho..
Well, Australian EST is GMT+10... and my geography isn't very good, but isn't France on our side of Greenwich? So they'd be GMT+1 or something? That means nine hours difference... means it should just be Sunday afternoon... bah, I just want to see the comic :D
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:lol: patience you must learn..
oh just because i'm an evil bastard, ;) i'm not gonna do that double update thing i mentioned before.. i have however, finished page 2 for chapter 1..;)
but not until wednesday:drevil:
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right now it's 3.14 PM, do the maths according to the hour from the forum. Nah, simply put, it's just GMT+1 here.
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ah, so you're just a lazy bastard then:p
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I mirror the two first pages for convenience:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page01.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page02.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page03.jpg)
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i'm getting red x's for pages 1 and 3..:(
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problem with swooh then, it worked fine last time I checked. gotta wait I suppose.
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Bugger..
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Originally posted by Venom
problem with swooh then, it worked fine last time I checked. gotta wait I suppose.
:nervous: *waits*
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you'll have to do the same with foxfire..;)
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Damn all you talented comic artists! Get us hooked and then string us along with 'promises' and 'release schedules'! You might as well be drug traffickers :p
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hey, you arn't paying for it and besides.. it's hard to come up with a basic layout that's satisfactory..;)
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And on that note, I gotta get me some chronic. Anyone selling?
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Originally posted by Turnsky
hey, you arn't paying for it and besides.. it's hard to come up with a basic layout that's satisfactory..;)
I pay in compliments. :hopping:
Nah, seriously, I just really like the stuff you guys are pumping out. Can't wait for the next instalments :)
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Originally posted by J.F.K.
I pay in compliments. :hopping:
Nah, seriously, I just really like the stuff you guys are pumping out. Can't wait for the next instalments :)
wednesday.. my friend, AEST..
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well, mines been released, not my fault if the host is down :p
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good point..:p
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seems it's back.
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(http://images.deviantart.com/emoticons/odd/icon_jawdrop.gif)
(http://images.deviantart.com/emoticons/odd/icon_worship.gif)good work
*works on page 3 of foxfire chapter 1*(http://images.deviantart.com/emoticons/icon_ninja.gif)
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mmh, if my estimations are right, I have a dozen pages left then I'm done :D ( I plan on doing only the prologue, for now ).
great smiley btw, reminds me I still have to start gathering believers for my cult :cool:
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meh, i dunno, how many pages are left in chapter one, i just go until the next MAJOR plot point that BL writes up;)
all that's said and done, i know that my art's good (and improving) but Blue Lion deserves his share of the credit..., without him.. you'd have to put up with my otherwise ****e dialogue..;)
i only wrote up various character bios, and created the initial concepts for foxfire..
he took it from there...
you can have your thread back now venom:p
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Originally posted by Turnsky
(http://images.deviantart.com/emoticons/odd/icon_worship.gif)good work
Nice. :D
Justly deserved, though... damn that's good. :eek2:
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JFK's got a point, your work is damned professional...
you could make money out of it:thepimp: :drevil:
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I... don't think so :doubt:.
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i was only joking... guess i shoulda mentioned that:p
you could earn immense kudos from it..;)
that said... i decided to release foxfire page two a whole day early.. :thepimp:
New Foxfire up (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,15615.0.html)
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[color=66ff00]That really is great work dude. I'm really enjoying both of these comic threads. :nod:
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thanx, thanx :)
coud a modo rename the Thread to:
Oleon Wars, Prologue
? thanks :)
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[color=66ff00]No problem.
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domo arigato :)
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[color=66ff00]Watashi wa jouzu-ni ni hongo ga hanase masen.
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japanese?
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[color=66ff00]Hai.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Watashi wa jouzu-ni ni hongo ga hanase masen.
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her... I just understand "I am" :(
( I'm trying to learn japanese, but kanas hate me with a passion ).
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Tada! "faster than light" Venom presents you page 04 already :p
hey, Turn', now we're even :D
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page04.jpg)
next page will be a page to explain some "physics" stuff, the flying islands and that G-stream thing.
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Originally posted by Venom
her... I just understand "I am" :(
[color=66ff00]Honestly I just have a bunch of phrases that I'm trying to learn. Ironically my reply was 'I don't speak japanese very well'. :)
Good sense of movement in that new page BTW.
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aaaaaaaaaaah! that should be Nihon go then :p
now I get why I couldn't translate the sentence :D
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[color=66ff00]They probably phrased it for ease of pronunciation rather than grammatical correctness.
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Originally posted by Venom
hey, Turn', now we're even :D
i
Hate
You
:p
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hmmm...just a note on the diologe flow to take into consideration (yes, I analyze this stuff....don't ask why). When I read page 04, I read the thing that was intended to be read second, so I think it'd look better if you flipped the location of the diologe bubble and the airplane, or moved the bubble to the right, and put the "Wait!..." bubble below that. Note: I am nitpicking here, that is awesome. I wish I could draw like that, but natural forms seem to escape me.
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Nah, just moving the word bubble a few points to the left would do it.
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Good point, I'll see about fxing it.
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Man, that is damn awesome... again! Page 4's first frame is just... wow, I can't believe you drew that :p Motion lines rock.
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great work Nico :nod::yes:
Makes me wanna continue mine badly, but I need to be active in other things right now. It's possible that I might even get a job.
Oh well I'll just see what you two can come up with and enjoy for a while ;)
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Originally posted by Gortef
It's possible that I might even get a job.
that's the best I could wish for you :)
edit: on a side note, you've uninstalled ICQ or what? :p
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thanks
Oh yea haven't noticed anyone of ya yet. I moved from Tornio to Tampere and I still don't have any webconnection of my own (I go visit my aunt time to times in order to read HLP etc., it's nice to have relatives :p). That's why I'm offline.
Living without a web makes things a bit harder :D
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oh, I see :)
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I'm starting to look a place to live today though... so maybe soon I'll have a home of my own
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Originally posted by Gortef
I'm starting to look a place to live today though... so maybe soon I'll have a home of my own
cool :)
anyway:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/MI01.jpg)
I expect much more negative comments with that one ( :D ) but I don't care, sometimes you have to take a break from your current style, and, well, this "info" page will be a good mean to do that :p ( and I went for a semi SD style as well, to push it even more :p ).
One thing I love about mangas, it's even the most ridiculous hairstyles will do :D
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w00t! I was inspired today:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/khayron01.jpg)
Khayron, he talks on page 02.
I could name that pic "For your sake, you better be a friend" :p
Damn my arm hurts. Graphic tablets are cool, but not exactly confortable...
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that's awesome!
Anyhow, I like the semi-SD, it's a nice break of pace to have something like that with all the seriousness going on :D
Another comic does something like that, it's drowtales (http://www.drowtales.com) and it does occasional worldsettings. I think those are rather important when using a world rather foreign from our own.
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Originally posted by Venom
her... I just understand "I am" :(
( I'm trying to learn japanese, but kanas hate me with a passion ).
Im trying to learn japanese too, as well as kanji.
As for your comics(which are ub3r good),
Masumasu no gohatten o inotte orimasu
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Masumasu no gohatten o inotte orimasu
I don't mind people throwing japanese sentences at me ( actually, if that could happen more often that'd be great, that's how you learn ), but I wouldn't mind the translation either :D
anyway:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/Al01.jpg)
Alphonse Langley ( aka "Al" ), the main character. Looks too old there, tho...
It's been a good day, one page and two drawings :)
mmh, I'm gonna make a drawing like that for all the main characters, I think.
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Langley -heh, good name :D. I said May even greater success lie ahead.
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heh :D
well, domo arigato gosaimasu! ( heh, if that's not being polite, what is? :lol: )
edit: what's with Langley?
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Originally posted by Venom
heh :D
well, domo arigato gosaimasu! ( heh, if that's not being polite, what is? :lol: )
edit: what's with Langley?
Im a Evangelion obsessive.
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Aaaaaaaaaah, ok, I see. Hey, that's true, didn't even think about that.
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dang, that reminds me, gotta rework some of nasal canals of some of my characters:p
damn you're good..
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I've been drawing w/o any discontinuity since I'm 4. At college, I could fill up a dozen pages of my agenda in a day ( well, yeah, I was a very serious student ). I've passed a preparatory year in graphical arts. I sure hope I can draw at least half decently :)
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i hope to get into graphic arts next year, but ATM i've gotta do a ****ty desktop publishing course as a prerequisite:blah:
who knows... i might even get the chance to learn how to model stuff and *gasp* render ;)
me, i NEVER took any art courses... i'm completely self-taught.. and it shows:p
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well, what you learned by yuourself remains invaluable experience ;)
anyway, some bios:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/Al-bio.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/khayron-bio.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/Carnegy-bio.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/theo-bio.jpg)
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nice sketches, but i can't even begin to list all the typo's.
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Originally posted by kasperl
nice sketches, but i can't even begin to list all the typo's.
ah? well, that would be cool if you do anyway, so I can correct :p
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will do, i'll post them in 5 minutes or so.
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here we are:
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/kasperl/Al-bio.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/kasperl/Carnegy-bio.jpg) (http://www.swooh.com/peon/kasperl/khayron-bio.jpg) (http://www.swooh.com/peon/kasperl/theo-bio.jpg)
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ah, yeah, thanks, I'll fix all that :)
hmm, no idea what's in place of "this" man and "that" man :nervous:
and what's wrong with scorn?
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The "this man" and "that man" conflict- they'd normally be used to contrast between two different things. They're awkward, anyway, so you might as well replace them with "he" and "him".
Nothing wrong with scorn, but the "he holds toward his son" is awkward.
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ok, thanks, I guess I still have a lot to learn before being able to say I speak ( well, write ) english well (http://forum.hardware.fr/images/sweatdrop.gif)
I have no idea of what I could put instead of "he holds toward his son" :doubt:
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uhm, scorn?
i think i'll need a dictionary.
well,my english ain'tperfect either, but i think i can get the message through. it's better then my French at any rate.
3 years of French in school, and i can't even order a bloody bread without a pocket dictionary.
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Khaylon looks like a nice ol' chap to me :)
Great sketches
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domo arigato (http://www.jeuxvideo.nu/forum/images/smiles/new_chine.gif)
still need to post the corrected pics, now that I think 'bout it.
voila, better?
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Originally posted by Venom
domo arigato
...mr roboto! :D
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heh?
anyway, since I didn't have much feedback for the last things, I could as well ask:
should I go on with the bios and stuff, or go back to the normal pages?
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Originally posted by Venom
heh?
anyway, since I didn't have much feedback for the last things, I could as well ask:
should I go on with the bios and stuff, or go back to the normal pages?
The bios - aside the spelling - were quite good, but I think they should be given only once in a while.
I think you should go back to the story.
Excelent work BTW:D !
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Hai haiii... ^_^
Yea, go with the stoy again... ... hmm but why don't you post a bios everytime a new character appears in the comic. How about that? :)
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well, because I'm just doing the prologue for now, so you won't get to see many characters ;)
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well.. I wouldn't mind if the bios came later
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can't be arsed posting another one eh, Venom?:p
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oh, eh, I'm at least 3 weeks ahead of schedule, let me breathe :p
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no, work comes first breathing second :D
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Originally posted by Gortef
no, work comes first breathing second :D
sheddap you :p
when do you get a decent connection and ICQ?
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Originally posted by Venom
oh, eh, I'm at least 3 weeks ahead of schedule, let me breathe :p
He has a schedule! You're more organised than 95% of the people I know :p
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Originally posted by Venom
sheddap you :p
when do you get a decent connection and ICQ?
When I get my own place to live. Soon I hope. I have mailed several applications and some of them should take a hit sooner or later. Preferably sooner
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still no new page, but a PS painting instead:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/GP01.jpg)
"This is the genesis pit located in Iberia, a rather large, but "calm" one.
On the foreground you can see of the creatures called dragons due to their size and their hability to fly, just as the creatures in the ancient tales. Dragons are mutated lifeforms rather than a real species, every giant flying creature, of any shape or color, spawned from a genesis pit will be called dragon. They can't bread, and often can't live for long because of various genetic and organic flaws. They're instinct driven, and spend their short lives hunting.
Ages ago, swarms of them could cross the skies, destroying everything they would find. Nowadays tho, they're a rare sight if you don't travel near a genesis pit, and the few that find their way to a civilized area can be easily dispatched as battleships and fighter patrol the populated areas."
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Originally posted by Venom
ok, thanks, I guess I still have a lot to learn before being able to say I speak ( well, write ) english well (http://forum.hardware.fr/images/sweatdrop.gif)
I have no idea of what I could put instead of "he holds toward his son" :doubt:
he holds against his son?
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Originally posted by Venom
"This is the genesis pit located in Iberia, a rather large, but "calm" one.
On the foreground you can see of the creatures called dragons due to their size and their hability to fly, just as the creatures in the ancient tales. Dragons are mutated lifeforms rather than a real species, every giant flying creature, of any shape or color, spawned from a genesis pit will be called dragon. They can't bread, and often can't live for long because of various genetic and organic flaws. They're instinct driven, and spend their short lives hunting.
Ages ago, swarms of them could cross the skies, destroying everything they would find. Nowadays tho, they're a rare sight if you don't travel near a genesis pit, and the few that find their way to a civilized area can be easily dispatched as battleships and fighter patrol the populated areas."
That's quite something... you create the enormous cave (err, pit) really convincingly. Nice. :yes:
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Thanks :)
a dragon concept pic ( a concept pic with colors, isn't that flashy? :D ):
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/dragon01.jpg)
another one coming soon.
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(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/dragon02.jpg)
Ah well, that was sooner than I expected :p
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RAAAAAAAAAAAAH, and give me feedback or I storm the forums (http://www.jeuxvideo.nu/forum/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif)
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a bit blurry, a tad much gore, but good!
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Originally posted by Venom
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/dragon02.jpg)
Ah well, that was sooner than I expected :p
looks like Wicked city and eva like monster but i like it:)
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Those are some ugly looking-****ers. I think that's what you intended, so good on you :D
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those creeps reminds me of Resident Evil, Silent Hill and Parasite Eve. If you intented to creat ugly (but cool) looking thingies then you have succeeded as J.F.K said :nod:
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Isn't those what they call "sexy chicks"? Damn, I've been fooled :p
Nah, thanks :)
Btw, Kasperl, a tad much gore?
Ok, I'll have to make things clear: even if it won't be obvious in the prologue, Oleon Wars is for mature readers. There's violence, gore, some nudity even, swearing. It's not to shock people or anything, but I just do things how they are. A Flying mutant with no logical morphologic structure can't hold itself together, guts colapse, etc. There's gore. A pilot that takes a canon bullet in the head will have this one spread puzzle-way. A chick that goes out of a shower will be nude. That's how it goes in my real life, that's how it goes in OW. Just wanted to make things clear.
Now I won't directly post images or comics pages that wouldn't contain nudity, real gore ( the pics above really don't push the line, if you ask me ), or extreme swearing, I'll link to them and will give a clear warning.
Voila :)
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I think we've got a new manga ka among us ;)
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That's a title I cherish, you can guess ;)
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i don't mind the gore, i just think in this image, it's a bit overdone, that's all.
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Originally posted by Flaser
I think we've got a new manga ka among us ;)
there was an old one?:nervous:
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There seemed to be none so far...
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just to say that I'm done with summer job in 4 days, and things should go back on track shortly after that.
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roger roger
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just for you to wait, some aircraft concept pics:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/aircrafts01.jpg)
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:eek2: excuse me while i pick my eyes and jaw off the ground...;)
that's awesome... :nod: :yes:
and making them wait is fun, isn't it? :p
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Pretty cool. But #12 doesn't really fit with the whole WW2-era style of the others.
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12 is a high end military craft ( much like the one in the comics ). same goes for 2, and 10 and 11 are pretty advanced too.
The vast majority of planes would fit in a pre-WW2 tech level, but some military planes are post WW2 level, tech-wise. ( 12 for instance, can almost reach mach 1, and a couple others can actually go past the sound speed ).
The tech in Oleon doesn't evolve like our own, as they don't need to rediscover everything, engineers know there was much more efficient stuff created before, and they can get their hands on books and stuff that can help them.
The problem in Oleon is not really the knowledge, but the material that is not easy to acquire. For exemple, petrol is very rare, you don't find that on flying islands, and offshore refineries are very difficult to build for various reasons. To sum up on that particular subject, most planes and airships don't even use kerosene or petrol-based fuel to run, and that's a limit in some cases. EVen if a state was able to build lots of planes like 12, they would not be able to run them. Engines are weaker, so planes need to be lighter, etc. You'll notice the heavier planes there have larger engines ( altho I love the design, 8 isn't right because of the engine that is too small ).
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Hence, why no jet-turbines, those suckers would eat through petroleum like there's no tomorrow..(that, and the tech, would possibly be nonexistant)
and while creating your own tech is fun, i'm going for more or less 'present-day' earth technology for foxfire :)
nonetheless... that stuff rocks...:nod: :yes:
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(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/CardinalBP.jpg)
A Gaelan design, the Cardinal class battleships are old and rather outdated, vulnerable to fighter attacks. But they still pack quite a punch, and are now used as heavy troop transports.
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Dude? Dude! Duuude!
The design's a little sparse and blocky, but... good drawing.
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Thumbs up again Venom :nod::yes:
Great blueprint (blackprint... whatever :D )
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Dude? Dude! Duuude!
The design's a little sparse and blocky, but... good drawing.
that's not a drawing ( max render ).
anyway, thanks.
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Oh. Well, then.
[turns up nose]
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Venom do you use Illustrate! by chance?
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nope. I never got my hands on it. using default max5 cell shading.
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so... Oleon ran out of steam huh?:D
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*grabs Defib paddles out*
-wheeeee-
CLEAR!!
-thunk-...
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Wow, I just found this thread. I used to come into the Art thread a lot before but stopped for a while. Was only going into the SCP thread til I got slow at work and can actually look around here. That's why I never noticed the sticky :(
What happened to the comic? I thought it was awesome.
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Originally posted by Turnsky
so... Oleon ran out of steam huh?:D
nah, it's me :p
I'm kind of busy :(
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omg im in love.
this is soooooo cool.
im stuck for words. cool.
oh, and on the flying machines thing, can you have hang-glider type crafts? or are they too flimsy?
(and al is so damn cute.)
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There's probably gliders everywhere actually, that's most likely the most available flying thing you can get. Seeing vertical winds are quite violent on Oleon, it must be quite easy to reach a nearby island with one of those. Think of gliders as Oleon bicycles :)
Anyway, I'm glad you like, comments like this makes me want to take my graphic tablet and start drawing ( and actually, as I have some free time today, that's what I'll do right away :) ).
and if you could manage to lure Steak in that thread, that'd be nice, btw ;)
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ill do my best, sir
and please please please post up some more stuff soon, im already suffering withdrawal symptoms
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Actually, I've had an eye on this since I got back. I was waiting for you to post up a new one before I replied. ;) But still dude, this is in a class of its own. Just incomparable, man. :yes:
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thanks :)
well, Icespeed, page 05 is almost done, but still, here for you:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/page05preview.jpg)
part of the page :)
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Ooooh, nice. Canyon chase. :):yes:
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nope, planes going past a big hill very fast :p
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oh that's nice. that's very nice. i want one of those. no, wait, i want a whole matching set of those. i like the blurring. and the planes.
im still curious about this world. how strong do the winds get?
oh yeah, and is it a coincidence that the (greek? roman? i get confused) god of winds is 'aeolus', which looks a lot like 'eol'?
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well, for the winds, check the SD panel explaining the flying islands. All that creates large air mass motions, so, well, there's often winds, everywhere, and often, quite strong.
and no, that's not a coincidence, eol ( or eole, don't remember ) is the french for aeolus :p
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i did see the explanations. but wouldn't strong winds mean that hanggliders get ripped up? oh hey, what level of technology exactly are these people at? i know you said they find stuff that's waaaay advanced beyond them, but obviously they're at least advanced enough to make all these weird as crafts. so do they have rockets? and hey, what about gene modifications to the people?
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the strongest winds are located under the islands. If he knows well enough gliding navigation, a traveller shouldn't have any problem crossing small distances.
Tech level of the humans is... hard to define. I think saying early to mid 20th century tech would fit, but with a different evolution.
There is an handful of jets, but there's no rockets ( they can't go in space ), but they know it's possible ( they just didn't try, I suppose ).
There's nothing like gene science, no genetically engineered super soldier or anything. But mutations on Oleon exist because of the genesis pits.
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but would rockets even work in this world? i mean, with the winds and stuff. (im obviously no pilot...)
i wasn't thinking of supersoldiers, actually, more along the lines of wings and stuff for general survival.
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winds are not THAT strong ;) think when you have a windy day, but more often, and that's it :)
Nah, there's nothing like self grown wings or stuff like that. And even if that were existing, I doubt most people could afford that.
Ok I'll throw in random infos:
Keep in mind most countries of Oleon use a feudal system, and most commoners are poor. Most people are farmer or manufactory workers, planes are common in Oleon, but NOT for commoners, who often spend most of their lives on the same island.
Most people use transport blimps when they have to go "abroad".
Electricity exists, but is hard to produce in large quantities ( but many people have very small generators, working with differents gaz or oil ).
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how big are the islands?
what about caves in the islands? from your pics they looked like inverted pyramids... can you have catacombs and, well, even natural wind erosion would produce caves, wouldn't it? and you know how caves can be formed by percolating rain (that's the technical term, i think- we learnt it in school), well, would the same idea work with evaporation from the oceans beneath?
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islands can be small or very large, it depends.
As for the rest you think too much :p
I doubt evaporation produces erosion. Rain does coz it gathers on the ground then flows along the rock, creating all the holes and rifts, etc. evaporation won't do that.
As for the winds, they would tend to make parts of the islands crumble rather than creating caves, but there's probably a few caves here and there, mostly coz they were there already before, I suppose, and resisted to the propagation of, her, nevermind :p
But there shouldn't be much worry of all the islands disapearing after a dozen millenium, they're quite tough, and, even if a big part of an island breaks apart, well, it'll just float next to it and won't make much difference, I suppose.
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yeah, you're right, i do think too much.
you can take it as a compliment that something of your creation inspired this much thought (even without the pics)
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well, yeah, thank you then :)
anyway, update on the comics thing:
Since I'm obviously taking a lot of inspiration from mangas, and since it's a thing I release on a ( very un-)regular basis, I'll do the same as the manga published in magazines, in Japan:
The mangaka releases, once a month, ( or much less ), a part of his manga. It you have all the issues of the magazine that publishes it, you'll get the equivalent of the full manga ( well, actually, the equivalent of a lot of full mangas ). This parts are published with a cover art, some descriptive pics, sometimes some individual art. Well that's cool coz I've already that, more or less. So, for OW, what I'll do:
You have part 01 already, I'm gonna make ( I'm already making, actually ) a cover for what is already done ( so, prologue, part 01), and each part will have 6 pages ( cover, 4 comics pages, one SD/stand alone pic/blueprint page ). That way it'll be more fun for me, plus I can begin the action of a new part starting from a bit before the previous part ends ( that's what I'm doing for part 02, it begins at the time of end of part 01, page 03 ).
Voila :)
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Very nice venom, i must say you're well organised..
for Foxfire, just a new chapter per MAJOR plot twist...
but i might do a brief explanation behind the "Science" behind foxfire... dunno yet.. ;)
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this is good **** Venom:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
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Thanks :)
Originally posted by Turnsky
Very nice venom, i must say you're well organised..
for Foxfire, just a new chapter per MAJOR plot twist...
well, that has another advantage: with only 4 pages, that implies I'll have to be careful and not waste place and time, and so be more efficient :)
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hop, the cover for part 01:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/cover01.jpg)
I know, it looks more like a novel cover than a comics one, I'll have to work on that for the next ones :p
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hop!
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/cover02.jpg)
After all, didn't feel like changing the style :p
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The First one is good but I like the second one :yes:
(allthough for some reason I have the habit imagine that the propeller wings are the skulls hands and that the poor bastard has only one leg :p)
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again good **** Venom:yes: :yes: :yes:
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is nice, is very nice...
possibly put the skull on top of the propellor instead, like over the central joining bit.
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Originally posted by icespeed
is nice, is very nice...
possibly put the skull on top of the propellor instead, like over the central joining bit.
yeah.. like a "Jolly Roger";)
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Waaaay sweet. That skull, how did he get killed? Looks like head trauma. :shaking:
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Originally posted by icespeed
is nice, is very nice...
possibly put the skull on top of the propellor instead, like over the central joining bit.
I thought about doing that, but you can't really recognize the propellor anymore, it just looks like a... a skull with odd things sticking out :p
Steak: there's things you don't want to know :D
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page 01, part 02 will be completed soon :)
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venom.. you might have to give me some pointers with painting with a wacom tablet someday...
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What software are you using with it Turnsky?
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Originally posted by Gortef
What software are you using with it Turnsky?
Photoshop 7;)
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Originally posted by Turnsky
venom.. you might have to give me some pointers with painting with a wacom tablet someday...
if , you want, but there's really nothing much to say.
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Originally posted by Venom
if , you want, but there's really nothing much to say.
fair enough.. i won't trouble you more than necessary:)
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Well, ICQ me whenever you want, if you have anything to ask :)
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Originally posted by Turnsky
Photoshop 7;)
wellll... for painting I'd recommend you tried the Painter (Classic or 8). I -for example- received Painter Classic with my Wacom Volito. It's a neat software... not sure if it's THAT great but I like it. :nod:
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Ever play Crimson Skies, Venom?
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yeah, the PC game? I know it may look alike, but I really didn't have CS in mind when doing my stuff.
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possibly you could make the skull transparent. im thinking the whole page might actually look better in shades of grey... just a suggestion, of course.
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Nico, are you going to add any more to this? *unsticks tentatively*
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Not for now. I run by '"cycles", and right now I'm in my Outerspace "cycle"
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Okay. Feel free to bring this back from the dead when you need to.
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Ever watched Last Exile? It has some themes common with your creation.
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Yeah I know, but it's also much more recent.
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http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/oleon/OWEP0TEASER.avi ( 6mb, divx5, turn your speakers on, I didn't go throught the trouble of making the sounds so nobody even notices :p )
I know there's no foam. Couldn't do a convincing one, so I removed it.
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Well even if there's no foam it's still nice ^^
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Ocean's a little too stiff, and might I suggest a plane flying overhead, about 10 feet off the water, right past the camera? It'd give an idea about what the hell the thing is about (to someone who doesn't know what it is by reading this thread :))
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I've tweaked a lot the waves, and that's how I prefer them. As for the plane, I'm not gonna make a special version of the scene just for a 19 seconds teaser that took 11 hours to render, w/o counting the sound mixing and synchronisation, the postprod work ( the whole lightnings stuff is made frame by frame in photoshop ) and the Premiere compositing.
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Hey hey, that is way cool. I don't care that there's no foam, it works well without them anyway. Nice and sleek. :)