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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stryke 9 on June 16, 2003, 09:09:23 pm

Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 16, 2003, 09:09:23 pm: MAX... need MAX...

Poor... very poor... need old MAX... cheaper...

Nothing other than MAX 5 being sold... anywhere... need MAX 4...
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Rictor on June 16, 2003, 09:24:43 pm: No offense, but are you even vaugely familiar with google?
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 16, 2003, 09:27:35 pm: Gee, what do you think I've been using? Maybe a parrot? A banana?

Oh, here's a shoe! That's like a search engine, right?

Don't condescend to me, boy, especially when you don't know what you're talking about. I used Google and Copernic under half a dozen different sets of keywords, all that's there are manuals and half-assed models.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: an0n on June 16, 2003, 09:35:20 pm: Own3d.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Rictor on June 16, 2003, 09:48:26 pm: check your pm smartass
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Thor on June 16, 2003, 09:53:12 pm: play nice boys, play nice or the admins may end up looking like this:hopping:
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 16, 2003, 09:55:49 pm: The operative word being buy here. Security systems get an unfair advantage on this machine.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Thor on June 16, 2003, 09:57:03 pm: ebay?:confused:
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 16, 2003, 10:06:06 pm: Checked. Same. I'm starting to suspect Discreet has a no-resale clause in there, and nobody's aware that those things are invalid.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Black Ace on June 16, 2003, 10:12:56 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thor
play nice boys, play nice or the admins may end up looking like this:hopping:

*lurks in dark shadows*
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Thor on June 16, 2003, 10:24:11 pm: SEE! SEE! they like to hide in shadows, then jump out an...ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! j/k guys :p

Anyway, how about trying the local Classifeids or computer shops, or something. You might luck out. Ask your friends too. That's how I aquired FS1 and ST.
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Post by: Knight Templar on June 17, 2003, 01:07:47 am: you could ask one of our great HLP denizen's to make you 'a bargain '
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 17, 2003, 02:06:59 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9
The operative word being buy here. Security systems get an unfair advantage on this machine.

In other words, if you have a warez version of the thing, I probably have it too, and it don't done work. Didn't recognize any Titan keygen codes after the second reinstall, can't modify important system files on my account, etc.

Besides which, it's a pain in the ass to not be able to get support or some of those self-installing plugins. For some reason, these twits always decide it's more convenient for everyone to download a self-installer that will only work, maybe, on a freshly-installed full copy of MAX that hasn't even been so much as used yet.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Nico on June 17, 2003, 02:12:52 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Checked. Same. I'm starting to suspect Discreet has a no-resale clause in there, and nobody's aware that those things are invalid.

actually, owners of older max replace it with the new one, for cheaper than if they bought it directly. I suppose acquiring the max5 license invalidates the max4 one.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 17, 2003, 02:22:43 am: What, you mean trade-ins?

****, that's inefficient. And irritating- specifically since the only reason to do it would be to make sure that you can't resell software you bought from 'em.

Bah, guess I'll have to wait 'till the security systems come down on here, then...
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Post by: Bobboau on June 17, 2003, 02:28:07 am: So you have all of the illegal ones, but they don't work, so if someone happened to have one that did work, would that be sufficient, or do you want to buy one?
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Nico on June 17, 2003, 02:28:40 am: well, actually, newtek and alias/wavefront do the same.
when a prog costs so much, and when usually you buy a dozen licenses at the same time, customers are happy to save even 200$ on each license...
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 17, 2003, 02:35:52 am: Bob: Whatever. I kinda need the program if I'm gonna sell my models, because, honestly, NOBODY uses .RDS format, and the conversions are a little... iffy. They need correcting, most of the time. Unfortunately, they have deemed it best to make it fuckin' impossible to do so. So at this point, I'm saying **** 'em. If there's a good, say $500 copy of MAX 3 or something sitting around somewhere, I'd definitely go for that, but I'm not about to get all prudish about warez all of a sudden. I just want something that works. ****, right now I can't even get people to look at my stuff for free. I'd use Lightwave (cheaper, corporation's far less evil), but I'm about as useful at it as a spastic gibbon- I can't even ****in' texture in it, so conversions to .lwo are definitely out.

Venom: But you see old copies of Lightwave around all the time- I don't think they actively collect the old copies. They're actually an option for those who can't afford some obscenely expensive but fancy new version. Hell, all software has upgrades, but you'll find old copies of Photoshop and Lightwave and the like sitting around for a fraction the price of a new version.
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Post by: Nico on June 17, 2003, 02:53:37 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Venom: But you see old copies of Lightwave around all the time- I don't think they actively collect the old copies. They're actually an option for those who can't afford some obscenely expensive but fancy new version. Hell, all software has upgrades, but you'll find old copies of Photoshop and Lightwave and the like sitting around for a fraction the price of a new version.

yes, I know, but there, you don't really buy the copy, you buy the license. either those LW copies are from people who ditched LW for another program, either I think they're ilegal...
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 17, 2003, 02:55:12 am: It's the internet. What isn't at least a little illegal?

But, ah, dunno. There sure seem to be a lot, though, at least relative to copies of MAX. I have a hard time believing Discreet's customers would be 100% more law-abiding than NewTek's, particularly when the first company is so much more tempting to steal from. I mean, really, watching that cDilla **** get put on my computer was like watching my computer get probed by a giant, slimy tongue. Awful. Never mind the thinly veiled threats in practically every piece of text they ever write. Forget Microsoft, those guys creep me out.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Nico on June 17, 2003, 03:03:22 am: yeah, cdilla suck, but it's done that way on purpose :p
as for the discreet law-abiding customers, well, maybe discreet just calls the copies back, and newtek doesn't. you'd have asked 8 months ago I could have tell you, but now I can't say, sorry.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on June 17, 2003, 03:08:04 am: :wtf:

Anyway, that was what I figured you were saying in your first post. I guess it's kinda immaterial, since the general gist I'm getting is that there's no legal way for me to get MAX anytime soon. Fortunately, a couple hundred more bucks and there should be plenty of illegal ways, but I'll stop there.

They could have done this in a more intelligent fashion, you know. Take Carrara, for example- they don't demand you give up your old version to upgrade, you just do it. And they don't really have a loss on all the old versions floating around, because the upgrade is worth exactly the upgrade price more than the old version- and that's a fair chunk, too, about 1/3 the price of a whole new one. But then, I suppose they're kinda a special case because they release a new version on an average of once every three years, and don't charge unholy sums...
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Post by: Styxx on June 17, 2003, 07:55:08 am: What is with you people today?
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Post by: Zeronet on June 17, 2003, 08:41:50 am: Quote
Originally posted by Styxx
What is with you people today?

The copy of TS5 on my backup disc fubared and now i can't do any modelling and the older versions of TS look terrible and i can't bear to use them.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Odyssey on June 17, 2003, 02:21:51 pm: I've got a, ah, copy of 3DS4. Never really used it, I prefer lightwave. But it starts fine, and I've noticed no **** coming from my computer since I installed it all that while back.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Geezer on June 17, 2003, 04:18:40 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9
If there's a good, say $500 copy of MAX 3 or something sitting around somewhere, I'd definitely go for that, but I'm not about to get all prudish about warez all of a sudden.

The educational version of 3ds Max 5 sells for $500, at least in the States. If that's good for you, you can get it from Academic Superstore (http://www.academicsuperstore.com) , among others.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 17, 2003, 04:44:17 pm: Hmm. Good call on that, actually, I'll have to see what I can do there...
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Post by: Shrike on June 17, 2003, 05:05:38 pm: Getting an education version is probably the best bet, and you can upgrade to a commercial version when you have the money.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Stryke 9 on June 17, 2003, 05:48:22 pm: Of course, the trick now is, I'm kinda between educational institutions this summer... guess I'll have to wait or something...
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Goober5000 on June 17, 2003, 06:03:25 pm: As long as you're enrolled or are enrolling somewhere, that shouldn't matter. You're a student on a budget, so you qualify.
Title: Return of the Stuff II: Great-Uncle of Stuff
Post by: Geezer on June 17, 2003, 06:48:46 pm: Check the sites for info on who qualifies. Academic Superstore (the one I use) just wants a valid student ID. Or you can talk to them - they might take an college acceptance letter, for instance. They're going to be as liberal as they can be - they don't make money by refusing to sell their stuff.