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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Black Ace on June 18, 2003, 12:27:26 pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/index.html)
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That's one of those things that makes you sorry to be an American...that some of your fellow countrymen are this stupid.
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I saw that on the BBC news site. What a prick.
And what's more, he has a website, on which you can download his music.
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This man lives in your country, deal with him.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
This man lives in your country, deal with him.
Mwuhahahahah... ;7
Wish we still had the hammer smiley...
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You ****ers voted him in. Now deal.
And if they ever tried to nuke my computer using those facist American laws, I'd be suing the US government for all sorts of ****. Vandalism, hacking, emotional stress.........
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He's from Utah
The biggest theocracy in the United States
I am not suprised in the least bit.
It's sad that our constitution is mearly a suggestion list for facist pricks like this.
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Originally posted by an0n
You ****ers voted him in. Now deal.
And if they ever tried to nuke my computer using those facist American laws, I'd be suing the US government for all sorts of ****. Vandalism, hacking, emotional stress.........
You are right.
Unfortunately, they would appeal that to the ground until all you get is a box of cracker jacks and an American flag
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Hmmm. To stop Peer-2-Peer stuff, they'd have to set up a client or Super-Node that'd give fake files along with the warning trigger when someone tried to get them.
So all someone would have to do would be to re-code a little of KaZaA-Lite so that when someone recieved a warning, it would broadcast that user/super-node's info to everyone across the network, triggering a massive DoS attack. And once they crashed, ban that IP and computer from linking to any Super-Node, thus removing them from the network. Or better yet, bounce back a kill-signal.
There will come a point when the p2p community decides that the time has come to end all this passive "We'll just evade them" crap and start launching attacks on those trying to down the network.
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oh, the horror. so what? who would buy a computer that could self-destruct? if they make that, just take another brand.
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Originally posted by Venom
oh, the horror. so what? who would buy a computer that could self-destruct? if they make that, just take another brand.
i don't think that's what he means, his plans sound ore aloing the lines of a DoS attack or virus stile job. nasty, especially if you are on a changing IP, so that someone else will get the crap for what you dl'd.
anyway, i doubt thyis will pass, and if it will, and some PC in Europe dies permanently, and someone sues, things will get interesting to say the very least.
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Yey! I-Macs for everyone! :doubt:
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who would buy a computer that could self-destruct
That line made me crack up :)
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Originally posted by Venom
who would buy a computer that could self-destruct?
A trekkie:p
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[color=66ff00]Why does everyone always get annoyed when something like this pops up? It's never going to be actioned, look at what other attempts at stopping filesharing have resulted in; nada, nothing, squat.
Every time some idiot american politician voices an idea like this everyone goes nuts, some low level of hysteria kicks in and it's a little boring by now.
Think of it logically, the number of people who are attempting to stop file sharing are few and have limited resources. The number of people who want to share media (copyrighted or otherwise) is vast, also the file sharers have the greater level of computer literacy (judge by the methods the RIAA etc. attempt to use to stop us). The anti file sharing crowd are continually playing catchup as newer methods of filesharing are created, this isn't going to change, necessity is the mother of invention as they say; anti file sharing measures are creating necessity in droves. Napster and it's ilk have been sucessfully shut down, most people see this as negative but it's ultimately positive as it has offered lessons on how to prevent the same thing happening again.
File sharing will win.
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I highly doubt he has ever used a computer for anything other than word processing, and even thats a maybe
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"If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines..."
:lol: :lol: :lol:
They don't realize eventually everything will just become legit.
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Hmm...
This law will not get through Congress. I can't seem to imagine a software that can remotely destroy a system. It can't do that to hardware, only software. So we can have multiple firewalls to ward it off...
By the way, Utah is a Mormon theocracy, which is not constituted in the normal Christian denominations. (We consider them a cult.)
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Originally posted by Mr. Vega
:lol: :lol: :lol:
They don't realize eventually everything will just become legit.
I'd like to know how they could "destroy" your computer though, becuase as far as I could tell the only way you could do that would be via the hardware itself and the last time I checked there isn't any virus software that could physically destroy hardware.
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oh, yeah, btw, that's just propaganda, they all do that, in every country ;) he just wants to get elected for whatever he wants, once again.
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Originally posted by 01010
I'd like to know how they could "destroy" your computer though, becuase as far as I could tell the only way you could do that would be via the hardware itself and the last time I checked there isn't any virus software that could physically destroy hardware.
IIRC there is a virus that can cause the cooling fans to turn off. I'm not sure if it is a real virus, but I've heard about it from several people who say they got hit with it.
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LOL, isn't this exactly the kind of thing that was on some tabloid posted here before?
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Originally posted by 01010
I'd like to know how they could "destroy" your computer though, becuase as far as I could tell the only way you could do that would be via the hardware itself and the last time I checked there isn't any virus software that could physically destroy hardware.
[color=66ff00]*A goldeneye satellite knocks on 01010's front door*
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Bri: Nope. Cooling fans are on a different setup from the hard disks and motherboard, last I recall.
Anyway, if this bill even came close to passing, you'd see the most massive cracking strike in history brought to bear on the American governmental computer systems from nodes all over the world. It would essentially destroy all net-accessible aspects of the government, and keep them down for good. Hackers as a group are nothing if not political, and damn few Net-savvy types don't take advantage of MP3 networking.
That would be so cool. They should do this!:D
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Originally posted by Bri_Dog
IIRC there is a virus that can cause the cooling fans to turn off. I'm not sure if it is a real virus, but I've heard about it from several people who say they got hit with it.
That'd still take a while to do any permanent damage, I know you can get virii that can overwrite the motherboard BIOS, but that's still software based. That would be easily countered by keeping a BIOS backup handy and purchasing an EEPROM flasher anyway, I should imagine at least.
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Fee fi fo fum.... I sense a senator searching for campaign contributions
Incidentally
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(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/story.hatch1.ap.jpg)
Is it just me, or does his head not appear to be properly attached to his neck?
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In the olde days (AAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEEEESSSSSSS ago), you could write a virus that would overhead and blow the CR tube on a monitor. Or so I've been told.
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That senator blokes a twat.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Fee fi fo fum.... I sense a senator searching for campaign contributions
Incidentally
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(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/story.hatch1.ap.jpg)
Is it just me, or does his head not appear to be properly attached to his neck?
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In the olde days (AAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEEEESSSSSSS ago), you could write a virus that would overhead and blow the CR tube on a monitor. Or so I've been told.
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That senator blokes a twat.
He looks like someone out of Robocop.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
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In the olde days (AAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEEEESSSSSSS ago), you could write a virus that would overhead and blow the CR tube on a monitor. Or so I've been told.
Wow, this whole time I've been using Iron filings in the vents. :D
and yes, that works
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Slapping on one of those rare earth magnets of the sort they sell for cheap earrings is better. Inconspicuous, portable, pretty damn effective.:D
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Fee fi fo fum.... I sense a senator searching for campaign contributions
Actually I believe he's one of the senators already in RIAA's pocket.
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Oh I hope this gets passed, the ***** slap the hacker community would unleash upon them would be legendary
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True enough.
Something along the lines of: "....ttack on goverment servers, the hacker groups managed to take down the entire .gov network in a matter of hours causing billions of dollars in damage."
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Couldn't you, theoretically, write a virus that would cause the drive heads on your HD to spin so fast they would melt/explode?
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I wouldn't be suprised if they already have several system nukes on each government computer just waiting for something to piss them off enough, I will be disapointed if it takes more than an hour for any thing even remotely relaited to this to spotainiusly implode.
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[color=66ff00]Actually I am aware of one virus that destroyed hard disk drives. It attempted to make the drive write outside of the physical platter damaging the heads, of course this was a long time ago and measures have been taken to make this impossible. Still, clever in a malicious kind of way.
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Originally posted by 01010
I'd like to know how they could "destroy" your computer though, becuase as far as I could tell the only way you could do that would be via the hardware itself and the last time I checked there isn't any virus software that could physically destroy hardware.
Just tell the internet to explode 'em all! Its really quite easy. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Couldn't you, theoretically, write a virus that would cause the drive heads on your HD to spin so fast they would melt/explode?
there's a few viruses that screw up the calibration of the heads. they go down a bit. when your HD starts reéading/writing, the heads will scratch the surface of the disks inside the HD. painfull.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Actually I am aware of one virus that destroyed hard disk drives. It attempted to make the drive write outside of the physical platter damaging the heads, of course this was a long time ago and measures have been taken to make this impossible. Still, clever in a malicious kind of way.
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The worst virus one of my friends experienced did something like that... all I remember was that their drive was unusable after that.
PS. Maeglamor, maybe you should provide a link to the thread in your sig? :)
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Originally posted by 01010
I'd like to know how they could "destroy" your computer though, becuase as far as I could tell the only way you could do that would be via the hardware itself and the last time I checked there isn't any virus software that could physically destroy hardware.
CIH and it's various derivatives can nuke flash BIOSes but that's not the same as physically burning out components which is what I would class as "physical damage."
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Originally posted by J.F.K.
PS. Maeglamor, maybe you should provide a link to the thread in your sig? :)
[color=66ff00]Well if you insist but I thought that having it at the top of Hard light would be enough. ;)
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http://amish.blogmosis.com/archives/012511.html
update: seems Mr.Hatch is using some JavaScript on his site that goes against the terms of the license agreement of the script makers...
OOPS
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lt's send Tiara to his home so she axe-chops his computer :D
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http://www.hatchmusic.com/
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I won't claim I can do better, aside from the lyrics, but **** man, what were you thinking?:lol:
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"looks at album names and music titles"
oh, I get it, now :doubt:
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At six years old, Orrin began taking piano lessons. Knowing how to play the piano gave him confidence to advance to the organ and violin.
Like many young boys, Orrin enjoyed playing with his organ
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Bleh, this is just another idiot who knows absolutely nothing about the digital age trying to stop something he knows absolutely nothing about. He's proposing something and he doesn't even have the slightest idea how to carry it out. Politicians are Satan's spawn, I tell ya.
Originally posted by an0n
Like many young boys, Orrin enjoyed playing with his organ
He has one? :drevil:
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He's probably bitter because nobody will pirate his music (and I use music in the loosest sense)
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Originally posted by Bobboau
Oh I hope this gets passed, the ***** slap the hacker community would unleash upon them would be legendary
Haha! That is good...thats definately quoteable in a strange sort of way :D
The door opens both ways...you can't just do it one way without getting feedback from it the other way. Seriously, how do these senators get into power? They seem to be the most power hungry, lowest IQ, highest radicalist in the state, with little or no understanding of the common family values, beliefs or traditions, and even less understanding of their childrens values, beliefs, and traditions...what is wrong with these people? How can we expect them to represent a state or a country when they are so self absorbed.
This file sharing paranoia has gone on far too long. RIAA needs to get their heads out of the sand and so do the record companies. The long days of their ultimate control over who's music gets published and who's doesn't are starting to fade. The internet bypasses this middle-man kind of monopoly that the record companies enjoy at the moment. Their monopoly has been made obsolete...the are just having a hard time hanging on. The new iTunes from Apple is the kind of proof I have been hoping for. Get a clue record companies, 99 cents a song is fantastic. People want music, they want it now, they want what they want to listen to, and they want to be able to take it everywhere with them. There is demand, why is there no supply.
Sorry, I'm ranting. I really want this whole filesharing thing to go to the next level where its 100% legal and the people who made the music get the recognition and the financial compensation they deserve.
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actualy he is from Utah,
he probly does reprsent there views
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:sigh:
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I'm all for filesharing (I dont think I've bought music for like 6-7 years and now the concept sounds absurd to me) but I do agree that there is a bad side to it. Ultimately, most people will download most of their music, cause very few people want to pay unecessarily. Then, you create a situation where the musicians are getting little to no money, so where is the incentive for them to make good music? I mean there will always be concerts, merchandise and even people buying the music, but I think that it could have a negative effect on the quality and quantity of music thats being put out.
However, this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
edit: ya, just noticed that. How many more hardline Christian fundamentalists are going to get into power. Bush is bad enough, now this guy, and others as well
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the incentive to make the music should be for the art, if someone does not want me to DL there music I generaly don't want to already.
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unfortunately that sort of idealogy is largely unrealizeable in today's materialistic world....
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no acutaly there are a lot of artist who are quite in suport of the file shareing, I beleve weazer even got into truble for actualy putting one of there albums on there site for people to DL freely
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Do they support file sharing like kazaa with no pay-to-download? (I'm assuming so 'cause you said freely) If so that's quite an amazing commitment. :nod:
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You'd find that most artists income comes from merchandise and touring, even highly rated artists make little more that £0.60 per album sold, which is disgusting given that at the end of the day, it's their art that is making sales.
I think file sharing is the death knell to the record industry and it's not without due time because they are leeches that suck eveything that is good and pure within music and they represent neither the art nor the artisan.
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Originally posted by 01010
You'd find that most artists income comes from merchandise and touring, even highly rated artists make little more that £0.60 per album sold, which is disgusting given that at the end of the day, it's their art that is making sales.
I think file sharing is the death knell to the record industry and it's not without due time because they are leeches that suck eveything that is good and pure within music and they represent neither the art nor the artisan.
hey, it's all 'the bottom line' for them, not the amount of soul that goes into the music..:nod:
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lets think about something for a moment,
it takes me, an individual, roughly $0.20 to make a CD
the corperation with the big huge automated CD burnatrons (in otherwords it probly costs them less) sell the same CD for $7.00-$20.00.
just think about that.
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exactly, it's not like blank discs are expensive and made out of solid gold is it?:rolleyes:
they get a large chunk out of what most artists pour all thier creative talent into (britney spears doesn't count, she has no talent)
and this makes the record companies more evil than microsoft..
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Ya know, it turns out his webpage is running pirated Javascript now? It's only a pity he hadn't gone and gotten that thing passed, it would have been sweet justice when he was the first victim.:D
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Hrm...
Link me, baby! (http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html)
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:lol:
ahhh, poetic justice... there ain't nothing sweeter.., unless you're on the receiving end of course:p
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:lol: :lol: :lol: rofl this has got to be the best joke of the year...no one in this forum should be worried anyway. There are way too many legal issues they would have because each country has its own internet laws especially the BIG !!PRIVACY!! Issue so lets all cheer :p
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Hrm...
Link me, baby! (http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html)
Ah sweet sweet irony, let me embrace thee.
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I guess there was even a pornographic link on his site.
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,59345,00.html
Exploring Utah, indeed.
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Porn and warez...
I think I'll bookmark the site, cause ****, atleast theres no pop-ups like alot of the other ones. Most porn sites make you pay for access, but once again Senate's first concern in your convenience..
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Originally posted by aldo_14
He's probably bitter because nobody will pirate his music (and I use music in the loosest sense)
not loose enough to cover that :D