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Title: Well I'll be damned
Post by: diamondgeezer on June 30, 2003, 01:39:20 pm
So there I was, innocently trawling Kazaa in case a ROTK trailer had been released or leaked, and I downloaded something interesting. A trailer for a Peter Jackson film, starring Ian Holm, Ian McKellan and Andy Serkis. It's called The Hobbit.


w00T!
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Post by: karajorma on June 30, 2003, 01:42:41 pm
Filename and other details needed for finding it now!
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Post by: beatspete on June 30, 2003, 01:46:30 pm
= teh intrestingness.

Only makes sense to do the Hobbit if the LOTR trilogy has been so succesful.
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Post by: Rictor on June 30, 2003, 01:54:02 pm
Uhm, Jackson said he's wasn't gonna do the Hobbit

that said, GIMME GIMME

edit: is it "The Return of the King Trailer"? Thats the only one I found that seeeems suitbale...

DG, please put it up on FTP somewhere, we need to see this
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Post by: diamondgeezer on June 30, 2003, 01:57:59 pm
God bless Swooh

*uploads*

Standby for mission update
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Post by: Rictor on June 30, 2003, 02:18:17 pm
I have to watch it again, but it seems possible that it was cut together from LOTR footage, and a dragon from another movie. If its authentic, WAHOO.

yeah, saw it again. Somehow I dont think its real. Theres a few scenes in there that I seem to remember from LOTR, theres no Dwareves anywhere in sight, and the dragon + peopple putting out fires seems to be from another movie

I hope I'm wrong on this one
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Post by: diamondgeezer on June 30, 2003, 02:27:35 pm
Oh, you're absolutely right - the dragon is likely from Reign of Fire.

Bum clouds.
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Post by: HotSnoJ on June 30, 2003, 02:27:52 pm
Alls I can say is DON'T USE FILE SHARERS!

I read an aritcle the other day (from my local paper) about the music labels/company's getting IP address from the people who use it. Then they'll go after you and sue you!

I'll certainly retract this if anyone can show that what I read was a lie. But until then I'm not going to use any.
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Post by: diamondgeezer on June 30, 2003, 02:31:45 pm
I also heard a Radio 1 DJ telling the public not to bother downloading music, since the tracks 'were of poor quality and often contained viruses'

In other words, it's a load of bollocks from a music industry with no power to stop you using P2P other than scaremongering


[EDIT] Oh blimey, ZB's online *waits for the inevitable*
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Post by: Stealth on June 30, 2003, 02:34:02 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
God bless Swooh



:D
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Post by: aldo_14 on June 30, 2003, 02:35:09 pm
AFAIK New Line (I think) only bought the rights to the trilogy.  Incidentally, on the subject oif file shares, most IP address are  - IIRC - allocated dynamically by the ISP's server, which makes it more difficult to trace.  Not 100% (not bothered checking up), but I have very little faith in the newspapers' ability to actually report correctly on tech stories.  more likely they were regurgitiating a press release sent out by the record compainies as a 'scare' tactic.

 Given that I've seen several hundred thousand people on Kazaa at a given time, and that suing is itself a costly process, i doubt that any tactic could honestly be succesfully implemented - the cost of the legal action would vastly outwiegh the profit if that person had actually bought the CD's in question.
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Post by: diamondgeezer on June 30, 2003, 02:37:04 pm
For what it's worth, get it here: www.swooh.com/peon/diamondgeezer/blah/The Hobbit.mpeg


Further to the P2P rumour mongering, Kazaa may be introducing paid membership. I trust we all know where to get Kazaa Lite, children?
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Post by: ZylonBane on June 30, 2003, 02:38:41 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
[EDIT] Oh blimey, ZB's online *waits for the inevitable*
The inevitable what? Your inevitable flogging for being so spastic? :rolleyes:
Title: Well I'll be damned
Post by: diamondgeezer on June 30, 2003, 02:40:28 pm
Lol, another triumph. And I thought you were losing you touch.
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Post by: vyper on June 30, 2003, 02:44:07 pm
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Originally posted by HotSnoJ
Alls I can say is DON'T USE FILE SHARERS!

I read an aritcle the other day (from my local paper) about the music labels/company's getting IP address from the people who use it. Then they'll go after you and sue you!

I'll certainly retract this if anyone can show that what I read was a lie. But until then I'm not going to use any.


http://www.methlabs.org
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Post by: 01010 on June 30, 2003, 03:00:29 pm
*Cough* BitTorrent *Cough*
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Post by: karajorma on June 30, 2003, 03:05:03 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
In other words, it's a load of bollocks from a music industry with no power to stop you using P2P other than scaremongering
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Sadly that's not true. At least not in the US.

Click me (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31434.html)
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on June 30, 2003, 03:10:03 pm
I'm tempted to sing "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins"
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Post by: DragonClaw on June 30, 2003, 03:17:06 pm
Heh, its definately a fake... All of those scenes except the dragon ones are from LotR movies already released. Besides, even if they weren't, why would it be released in December 2006 if they already have that much done? It wouldn't take 3 and a half years...


But yeah, the RIAA sucks my balls.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on June 30, 2003, 03:17:23 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Further to the P2P rumour mongering, Kazaa may be introducing paid membership. I trust we all know where to get Kazaa Lite, children?


And further to Stryke's infallible prognostication record, Kazaa may soon see an 80% drop in membership, paired with an analogous rise in usership among some similar, free system.;)
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Post by: karajorma on June 30, 2003, 03:21:02 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Oh, you're absolutely right - the dragon is likely from Reign of Fire.


Shame on you for not recognising the dragon is from Dragonslayer (http://uk.imdb.com/Title?0082288) :p
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Post by: Nico on June 30, 2003, 03:27:10 pm
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Originally posted by HotSnoJ
Alls I can say is DON'T USE FILE SHARERS!

I read an aritcle the other day (from my local paper) about the music labels/company's getting IP address from the people who use it. Then they'll go after you and sue you!


"checks kazaa current user count: 4,403,722 users online"
oh yeah, I'm afraid :p
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Post by: Stryke 9 on June 30, 2003, 03:29:25 pm
Ohh, this is gonna be good. I can't wait for 'em to put their big foot right in a nest of script kiddies, real nasty ones... one of these days...;7
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Post by: Rictor on June 30, 2003, 03:41:34 pm
Oh man, I can see it comming:D :D
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Post by: Stryke 9 on June 30, 2003, 03:54:51 pm
Don't bet on it now, I meant when they get this whole lawmaking setup going in the next year or so. Hell, I'd join in on that action, think I still have that Magistr hard disk around...

Pity I can't find the human-communicable computer virus, but then, there ya go.:D
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Post by: Nico on June 30, 2003, 04:17:40 pm
just read that article:
1) concerns only US people, so I don't give a damn
2) concerms only music. I d/l mostly fansubs, so I care even less :P
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Post by: Martinus on June 30, 2003, 05:27:07 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Ohh, this is gonna be good. I can't wait for 'em to put their big foot right in a nest of script kiddies, real nasty ones... one of these days...;7

[color=66ff00]:lol: Script kiddies: Coming to a network near you.

Frankly I think this is a good thing, it will push talented people to design an anonymous, easy to use p2p system. Once that happens there's no going back. :)
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Post by: Bobboau on June 30, 2003, 07:08:33 pm
how would you do that, you would probly have to use some sort of proxy system but not a central server, maybe if chunks of a file got bounced around several diferent servers,
and some sort of file encription maybe
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Post by: vyper on June 30, 2003, 08:11:42 pm
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Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]:lol: Script kiddies: Coming to a network near you.

Frankly I think this is a good thing, it will push talented people to design an anonymous, easy to use p2p system. Once that happens there's no going back. :)
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:nod: Look at the stuff at methlabs even.
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Post by: Rictor on July 01, 2003, 09:04:28 am
Well BT is always good. Its more legal than, say Kazaa.

I think there will be a major backlash against government and RIAA netoworks for this stuff. People consider it a right, and they dont like rights being taken away
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Post by: diamondgeezer on July 01, 2003, 12:01:39 pm
Vyper mate, could you sum up all that Methlabs stuff for me? The descriptions of their pieces of software aren't comepletely, er, descriptive. Is their P2P thingy claiming to use other P2P networks and combine them in to one handy app?
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Post by: vyper on July 01, 2003, 12:09:21 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Vyper mate, could you sum up all that Methlabs stuff for me? The descriptions of their pieces of software aren't comepletely, er, descriptive. Is their P2P thingy claiming to use other P2P networks and combine them in to one handy app?


Two main projects: Peer Guardian - stops the RIAA and any other bugger from spying on ur downloads. It blocks incoming connections from a list of IP addys that are updated when people submit new ones.

XS: AFAIK its a new network, in effect, with XS hubs being central points to download through, like the way Direct Connect works.
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Post by: diamondgeezer on July 01, 2003, 12:10:32 pm
Then I shall give them a try when my computer is de-exploded
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Post by: karajorma on July 01, 2003, 12:39:08 pm
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Originally posted by vyper
Two main projects: Peer Guardian - stops the RIAA and any other bugger from spying on ur downloads. It blocks incoming connections from a list of IP addys that are updated when people submit new ones.


Does that stop the RIAA from finding out who you are by setting up a honeypot server with lots of mp3s on it slamming anyone who downloads from it?

The problem is that now thanks to the verizon case the RIAA can force your ISP to turn over your details if they think you're a pirate. What qualifies someone as a pirate is the grey area that scares me (or would if I lived in the US) cause they could concievably use it against anyone who downloads a single song from said honeypot.
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Post by: vyper on July 01, 2003, 06:27:48 pm
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Originally posted by karajorma


Does that stop the RIAA from finding out who you are by setting up a honeypot server with lots of mp3s on it slamming anyone who downloads from it?

The problem is that now thanks to the verizon case the RIAA can force your ISP to turn over your details if they think you're a pirate. What qualifies someone as a pirate is the grey area that scares me (or would if I lived in the US) cause they could concievably use it against anyone who downloads a single song from said honeypot.



I didn't say it was perfect :p