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Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Solatar on July 08, 2003, 01:34:04 pm
Kasperl and I are working on some background for a campaign set ~26 years after Cappella. It follows Derelict, and I want to know what other campaigns are following Derelict so we can plan accordingly. I don't want to contraidict anyone's campaign.:D

If you do have a campaign set after Capella, please PM me with the details, if it isn't out yet, give me SOME of the details (enough to get me by without spoiling it for myself when it comes out):)

Thank you,
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: kasperl on July 08, 2003, 02:04:01 pm
speaking about the campaign, could anyone give me a quick overview of Derelict? i am still playing it, but i am not all that sure if i can finish it before i go on a holiday, so i'd like to have the story on paper so i can use it in the background.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Woolie Wool on July 08, 2003, 02:11:26 pm
My campaign, A Terror and a Traitor, takes place from 2377 to 2379, if that comes after Derelict. Inferno and The Scroll of Antankharzim after come after Derelict.

My campaign contradicts Inferno on when several borrowed ships appear, though. Here are the ship timelines for T&T (Inferno ships are marked with an asterisk):

GTDn Hades II begins development: 2368
GTD Olemus*: 2369
GTF Valkyrie D.H.* (SOF Banshee in INF): 2372
GTDn Nemesis*: 2373
GTF Hercules Mk III* (GTF Alves in INF): 2373
GTF Phaeton* (SOF Orpheus in INF): 2374
GTB Jotun *: 2375
GTDn Hades II completed (three of them enter service): 2375
GTF Vesuvius*: 2376
Shivans reappear with various INF ships*: 2377
TSF Apollo II: 2376
TSB Kahlan*: 2376
SF/TSF Hydra*: 2376
GTVJ Colossus II: 2376
GTB Jotun D.H.*: 2377
GTB Gagana*: 2377
Ancients appear*: 2377

A story will appear soon, but at the end of T&T, there will be nodes from Barnard's Star to 61 Cygni and from 61 Cygni to Sol, a faction called the Terran-Shivan Alliance (TSA) will be in control of the Barnard's Star, 61 Cygni, and Sol systems (the Sol alliance is defeated at the end of T&T), as well as numerous surrounding systems, the GTVA will be on the verge of collapse, the Ancients will have briefly appeared and then disappeared, but the TSA will be using its technology and ships as well as Shivan and Terran ships and technology, and numerous other things that probably contradict other camapaigns in the same timeframe. Expect a detailed storylne and timeline soon.

Oh wait, did he say PM? Oops. Oh well, it's not like anyone would object to learning more about a new campaign.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Solatar on July 08, 2003, 02:16:09 pm
Well, yours also doesn't come in between Capella and ~26 after...

As for the Derelict storyline
Spoiler:

The GTVA discovers a Derelict SD Lucifer class destroyer. It comes back to life and calls a fleet of Shivan ships. They make a jump node to Sirius, and since they can make jump nodes (or repair extremely damaged ones, not sure which) the GTVA is afraid they are going to open up one of the nodes to Capella. A suicide attack by a Deimos class corvette stops the destroyer before it can unleash Capella.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: kasperl on July 08, 2003, 02:16:36 pm
Terran Shivan Alliance?

i thought we bashed that before......

no offence, but that is very unlikely.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Knight Templar on July 08, 2003, 03:00:11 pm
Woolie: He wants campaigns set in the Derelict Universe... meaning you follow all the stuff that happened in derelict, which by deffinition, also follows Warzone, BWO and ITHOV.

Oh, Sol, if you need anyhelp with Storyline, bug me. I beleive you have my ICQ number.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Solatar on July 08, 2003, 03:19:08 pm
I don't have ICQ. Just AIM (it sucks, but it's a fun little proggy to get under the skin of).

I'll try to get around to downloading and installing ICQ soon. I'm leaving for vacation July 14th, and I'll be back about a week later.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: kasperl on July 08, 2003, 03:25:10 pm
uhm, Solotar, check your email, and get MSN or IRC while your at it, i don't have AIM or ICQ, and both messed up my system when i installed them.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Solatar on July 08, 2003, 03:27:11 pm
I'll go download Trillian...
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: kasperl on July 08, 2003, 03:28:52 pm
sounds more effective, but that one messed up things here even more.....
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: LtNarol on July 08, 2003, 03:38:34 pm
Into the Night (the 158th campaign) takes place largely after Capella, but we pretty much contradict everyone... so take that whatever way you will.  :p
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Solatar on July 08, 2003, 03:44:38 pm
I got MSN.
[email protected]
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: TopAce on July 08, 2003, 04:36:18 pm
Thor would kill me for this: We are planning a campaign right after Derelict. He could give you more details.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Knight Templar on July 08, 2003, 04:37:07 pm
ITHOV, right?
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: TopAce on July 08, 2003, 04:40:24 pm
No, left. :D
Otherwise yes, it is the so-called ITHOV.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: kasperl on July 09, 2003, 09:41:32 am
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Originally posted by Solatar
I got MSN.
[email protected]


then log in please, i've been on for most of the day, but i still didn't hear anything.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Epokai on July 09, 2003, 10:11:44 am
Wait a minute here....

You mean, ALL the campaign on HLP are on a specific time line you guys set up? :eek2:

So lets say that I wanted to create a campaign on HLP, I would have to make sure my story line doesn't mess with the chronological line you guys already have?!? :wtf:
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Solatar on July 09, 2003, 10:26:28 am
no....There are certain campaigns that I don't want to clash with, and I'd like to know if any other campaigns take place in this era, and I can decide whether I want to include it or not.

But I've pretty much finished. I've got Derelict, Warzone, and Blackwater Ops. From playing them, and their websites, I have enough info to move forward.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Thor on July 09, 2003, 11:59:22 am
Some campaigns are far out in scope, like Over the Top, while other are more in line with what I like to call the Big Ones (see the list Solatar put up).  Mine, comes a year after Derelict, and tries to follow along the precidents it set up.  I didn't have to do this, but I wanted to, as IMHO Derelict and BWO are the closest thing we have to a logical follow up to FS2.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: TopAce on July 09, 2003, 01:35:13 pm
Setting up a timeline with all campaigns exist is impossible, each campaign works up the future of the GTVA a different way. Campaign a ends with the destruction of the NTF, but campaign b is played flying the NTF and ends with the total destruction of the GTVA. I know that there is a camp in which the player flies Shivan vessels. Or am I wrong?
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: kasperl on July 09, 2003, 02:06:13 pm
the shivan one is just getting started.

but as Thor said, some campaigns follow the same timeline,and use the same nodemap.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Epokai on July 09, 2003, 09:32:05 pm
Oh oka.

One other thing. What are the unspoken rules of using ships in HLP?
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: StratComm on July 09, 2003, 09:59:36 pm
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Originally posted by Epokai
Oh oka.

One other thing. What are the unspoken rules of using ships in HLP?


The general rule is if the mod can be downloaded, you can use it, so long as you give appropriate credit.  Some people are a little more particular, so it doesn't hurt to ask anyway.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: TopAce on July 10, 2003, 05:01:06 am
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Originally posted by kasperl
....but as Thor said, some campaigns follow the same timeline,and use the same nodemap.


So it would mean that Solatar is about to follow an already ready campaign and continue it?
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Knight Templar on July 10, 2003, 05:05:49 am
:wtf: did you just say?

Solatar's camp is in the BWO-Derelict-Warzone-ITHOV-whatever other campaign follows the last 4 timeline. Whatever happens in those campaigns and his, affects the others (well in accordance to time). I.E. if ITHOV brings in a 2nd colossus or if Warzone had the Aquitaine killed, then Solatar would have to take into account a 2nd colossus and the fact that he can't use the Aquitaine because it is no more.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Hippo on July 10, 2003, 02:49:41 pm
Another example; AHTW (www.sectorgame.com/ahtw) is between FS1 and 2, So i can't use ships destroyed in or before FS1 and can't use ships desiged/built at any time after FS2...
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Noise on July 11, 2003, 05:53:30 pm
My campaign can more or less fit into any other campaign.  The ships I use really have no contact with the GTVA until like thirty to forty years after Capella.  Check out the site in my signature to learn more.;)
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: TopAce on July 12, 2003, 05:10:04 pm
That's very difficult to follow a storyline that not you have written. For example, derelict has a Fenris cruiser named 'Policeman', and Solatar doesn't know it and names one Orion destroyer as 'Policeman' too. I just said you have to be more careful with the details not only the 'most' important ships.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: pyro-manic on July 12, 2003, 06:04:48 pm
'K. Here's my camp outline. It follows Derelict, but doesn't pay much attention to the rest, 'cos it's set in the arse-end of nowhere, so doesn't really affect events anywhere else :D

A year after the Nyarlathotep incident (ie Derelict) the hulk of an Ancients destroyer is found drifting in the Wolf 239 system. The GTVA boards it, and finds a wealth of information and technology, and manages to reverse-engineer advanced subspace sensor technology. This gives them the means to accurately detect and track vessels in subspace in tactical situations, and also the means to find subspace nodes. A network of new systems are discovered in the region, many of which are incredibly rich in resources.

These systems are quickly opened to commercial exploitation, in an attempt to improve the struggling Allied economy (still in a mess after Capella). However, this causes problems, as competing corporations use more and more borderline-illegal tactics to grab as much territory as possible to maximise their influence and profit. This is largely ignored by the Security Council, who need the materials to rebuild the shattered Navy.
However, it is not long before corporations resort to intimidation and violence, attacking convoys and hijacking or sabotaging each others' operations.
The GTVA is forced to take notice when a particularly vicious skirmish between two gangs of corporate thugs breaks out at a heavily used jump node in the Rigel system (newly opened to commercial and civilian traffic). A Vasudan cruise ship is caught in the crossfire, and 1500 innocent people die.

The GTVA responds by sending in the GTD Indomitable (an old Orion-class destroyer assigned to the 3rd Combined Pathfinder Fleet based in Wolf 359), the idea being to scare the crap out of the corporations (who wouldn't be scared by an Orion bearing down on you out of the dark?). The Indomitable's crew (of which you are a member) are under orders to stop the fighting before it spreads any further. At first, it works like a dream, and a large amount of weaponry and equipment is seized, and several key figures are captured and imprisoned. However, not all is as it seems - somebody has plans for the sector, and the 3rd Pathfinders don't figure in their designs....

Well??? Whaddaya think? I'm fed up of "Oh-bugger-the-Shivans-are-back-with-another-uber-fleet-to-wipe-us-from-the-galaxy-forever" type plots, so I wanted to go for something completely different.

Oh, I'm looking for some help with this, so if anyone wants to lend a hand, let me know!
:)
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: kasperl on July 13, 2003, 06:41:58 am
sounds very good.
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: TopAce on July 13, 2003, 06:42:48 am
The story is good, but its ending is mysterious, of course you don't want to tell everything about your camp.

I have the same at RR(Renegade Ressurgence), if you have a look at the Campaigns thread, you see how mysterious I am.:)
Title: Campaigns taking place after fs2
Post by: Nuclear1 on July 13, 2003, 01:18:12 pm
Hmm... well mine doesn't matter, since it's just like Alien3; it didn't happen :D