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Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 09:25:40 am

Thats my first try in LightWave
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/FreeTerran/renders/erinyes_fleet.jpg)
What do you think ?

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Tiara on July 16, 2003, 09:37:29 am

Looks good... but I have 2 things to say about it:

- The nebula is not quite nebula-like. It appears as if space is on fire.
- Lightning is wrong. Though this is done quite often so your not the only one placing the lights wrongly. :p

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2003, 10:37:06 am

Make the nebula more "dissolved". Basically, make it spread over a larger area and less contrasty...uhm I really can't explain it that well. As well, you could try putting a planet in the background or something.

other than that, its very cool. I take it the inspiration is that SOC mission where you have to rescue Snipes?

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 10:51:11 am

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Originally posted by Rictor
I take it the inspiration is that SOC mission where you have to rescue Snipes?

Hey 100 points for you :yes:

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2003, 10:55:52 am

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Originally posted by Tiara

- The nebula is not quite nebula-like. It appears as if space is on fire.

damn shivans

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Tiara on July 16, 2003, 10:59:11 am

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Originally posted by Bobboau

damn shivans

:lol:

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 11:06:40 am

:lol: its time to put some nukes into shivans ass

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Tiara on July 16, 2003, 11:54:00 am

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Originally posted by FreeTerran
:lol: its time to put some nukes into shivans ass

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 12:05:33 pm

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/FreeTerran/renders/erinyes_fleet_1.jpg)
New version and what do youn now think ?

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: mikhael on July 16, 2003, 12:33:15 pm

Now all you have to do is kill the ambient light, light the scene properly and you're in business.

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 12:36:32 pm

Well i will give now the lights on the erinyes a glowing

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 12:52:00 pm

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/FreeTerran/renders/erinyes_fleet_2.jpg)
OK next update now ?

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2003, 01:16:00 pm

lighting is still fuct. You want the faces that we see to be relatively dark, and the backs of the fighters to be where the light is (because the star is shining on them). Right now, it looks like the opposite.

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 01:26:24 pm

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/FreeTerran/renders/erinyes_fleet_3.jpg)
better ?

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Darkage on July 16, 2003, 01:34:53 pm

1. Always disable ambient lighting or not higher then 5%
2. Use shadow maps or raytrace, but shadow maps are just as good and render time is less.


You are improving but there is still much to learn.

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 01:39:55 pm

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Originally posted by Darkage
1. Always disable ambient lighting or not higher then 5%
2. Use shadow maps or raytrace, but shadow maps are just as good and render time is less.


You are improving but there is still much to learn.

1 ambient lighting is at 0%
2 i use ray trace

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Anaz on July 16, 2003, 01:45:46 pm

ooh, nifty...


but one gripe...

you fixed the lighting on the erienys, but the planet still looks like the light source is next to the camera. Either use a modeled planet, or rotate it somehow to make it look like the sun is on the same side of it as it is the erieneys

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Ashrak on July 16, 2003, 01:54:00 pm

kill the ambience use 2 spotlights to light the ships

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2003, 02:49:15 pm

Hmm, definate improvement. Try putting a glow around the planet to simulate an atmosphere. Or not, depending on what you had in mind. Try dispersing the nebula a bit. The outer edges of the pic, where there are only stars, look a bit barren.

One other thing you might try, and this really is more a matter of taste, you could try making the yellow bit of the nebula white, to give it more of a "glowy" and powerful feel.

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 16, 2003, 03:15:19 pm

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/FreeTerran/renders/erinyes_fleet_4.jpg)
Now with better lights so what do you think now ?

EDIT: I will add the erinyes lights tomorrow its night here and i'm tired

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Flaser on July 16, 2003, 04:50:29 pm

It's awsome to see how much lighting can improve things.
It's as if an entierly different - and lot more talented - artist has created the last one.
Both thumbs up!

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Nico on July 16, 2003, 05:00:49 pm

it's odd. use the sun on the bacground as a reference and place the light accordingly. Now the nebula probably takes its color from the neighbouring star, so I suppose this one should glow red -> light should have a slight red tint.
then, put more distance etween the erynies, I think, they're too close to each other.
what else? mmh...
decrease the opacity of the nebula a bit.
more important: give a focal point to the camera: what is the goal of this pic? is it focused on the full wing? then center the wing on the pic. on the leader? then center onthat ship, and add range blurr to the three other ships. etc etc.
The main thing for a render to be remembered, is to give it a meaning. Steak would have said it has to tell a story. I couldn't agree more.

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Flaser on July 16, 2003, 05:18:22 pm

I can't believe how good you guys are at this.

It would have took me ages to come up with these advices.

Anyway I think working out the correct color for the nebula's going to be the hard part, since in theory it shouldn't have any self illumination, only reflected light from the star.

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 17, 2003, 01:57:41 am

hey venom don't forgot thats my first render with lightwave

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Gloriano on July 17, 2003, 02:33:11 am

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The main thing for a render to be remembered, is to give it a meaning. Steak would have said it has to tell a story. I couldn't agree more.

you are right venom

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 17, 2003, 02:48:16 am

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/FreeTerran/renders/erinyes_fleet_5.jpg)
Ok new version now with light on the erinyes

Comments ?

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Nico on July 17, 2003, 02:57:32 am

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Originally posted by FreeTerran
hey venom don't forgot thats my first render with lightwave

That's why I give you advices ;)

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 17, 2003, 03:04:00 am

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Originally posted by Venom


That's why I give you advices ;)

Yeah right and thanks for help :D

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: J.F.K. on July 17, 2003, 05:29:06 am

Your latest one has come quite a long way - in cases like this, lighting is everything. Also, as Venom already mentioned, the render is quite pointless - there's no big reason for me to be compelled to see it, it's not more pretty than other renders, it's not a new ship being shown, it's got no story. But that's forgiveable for a first render. Just keep it in mind for future ones :)

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: FreeTerran on July 17, 2003, 05:30:31 am

That was only an test render with tutorials

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Anaz on July 17, 2003, 07:31:55 am

That last render is just about perfect.

Slap a DOTA logo on it & put it up on your website as a background :p

Title: first render with lightwave
Post by: Ashrak on July 17, 2003, 12:20:52 pm

hmmm


what id do is mix stuff a little red from the neb so it would show up only a lil at the fighters and about 40% yellowish-white from behind camera :)