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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rampage on July 27, 2003, 09:53:16 am
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The last topic relating to this topic was a backfire. (I forgot to post a poll.)
I have collected several sources on several sci-fi materials this community is familiar with. Please poll your most memorable arch-enemy from these sources and post replies regarding them.
Rampage
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My answer would have to be Lore from TNG.
Although he didn't appear much, he was one hell of a nemesis and could kick Data's @ss anyday!
If you want species specific, then I would have to say either the Dominion from DS9 or the flood from Halo
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Shivans. Why?
1.They have probably unlimited resources or energies to use against enemies.
2. Shivans' don't act like humans or Vasudans. They are unpredictible (with small exeption to mission designers:))
Thats why Shivans are nightmare to anybody, from fighter pilot to highest command of space fleets.
ps. hello all!
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Best arch-enemy of all time? EVIL JIM!
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/diamondgeezer/images/evilj3.gif)
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I think Diam just hit the nail on the head with that one :D
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Best arch-enemy of all time? EVIL JIM!
Any bad guy who was the result of a photcopying error isn't really that scary. Besides Professor Monkeyforahead was much better :D
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Sort of a tie between Shivans and Nod for me. SHODAN (SS/SS2) and Walton Simons (DX) were pretty good too.
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If the storyline was better, the zerg would have been the most scary.
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Shivans I guess... it's an easy choise
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Best arch-enemy of all time? EVIL JIM!
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/diamondgeezer/images/evilj3.gif)
[color=66ff00]But evil the cat was a much better enemy (funnier too :) ).
Anyhow I choose skeletor, he was just a bad bad man. :nod: :D
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Simple when you think about it...
(http://www.sunsetangel.com/bigjerm/scooby/sdgang1.gif)
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GTI/GTVI/Shivans GTVI all ways hide something and Shivans Destroy
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Shadows.
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dravis
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The Master from Fallout, creep mess 'o talking ****. Plus he had high-minded (if crazy) ideals.
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The Strangers from Dark City. They had the getup, they had the evil, they had the creepy-ass little kid. What more could you want? Oh yeah, the telekinesis and cool-ass knives.
Or God. God was kinda overdone, but he was pretty cool- sadistic, near-omnipotent, army of rabid zealot followers. Wouldn't care to take him on, but so long as he stays in fiction that's a thumbs up. Wouldn't mind being him, either- kinda like Blofield but you have to talk in Hebrew.
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Ganon.
:thepimp:
EDIT to Kali: Regarding the second thread Rampage made on the topic, I'd guess that he forgot to add a poll, so he edited the post without saying so, thus making him look dumb and annoying at the same time. It's just a theory though.
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This is very simple:
(http://www.rdanderson.com/stargate/capture4/80venm24.jpg)
And coming a close second, unbeaten as yet by any foe:
(http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s4/graphics/401_03.jpg)
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Apophis is dumb... He gets killed too easily :p Though the "taking the Tauri with me" was a nice sentiment :p
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Considering every other system lord only lasted maybe 2-3 encounters with SG-1, I think Apophis was quite an effective arch-enemy.
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Originally posted by an0n
Considering every other system lord only lasted maybe 2-3 encounters with SG-1, I think Apophis was quite an effective arch-enemy.
And why did he let 2 Goa'Uld motherships be destroyed by a single SG team and some Jaffa? And why did he lose almost every single encounter with SG-1? The only thing he does is rely on technological superiority. Something that should've been proven unsuccessfull after the first few tries :p
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If it wasn't for the Replicators he'd have whupped the **** out of everyone in the whole goddamn galaxy.
He coulda been like "Yeah, nice ship Anubis. *BLAOW*" and had like 50 of his super-ships (which require no fancy, rare power sources to run) show up and blast the **** out of the etherial mofo.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
EDIT to Kali: Regarding the second thread Rampage made on the topic, I'd guess that he forgot to add a poll, so he edited the post without saying so, thus making him look dumb and annoying at the same time. It's just a theory though.
The time stamps on his posts seem to support that theory. His last edit on the other thread was performed 5 minutes after he created this one.
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The beast was very cheesy.
I liked the Kadeshi + the evil empire (Taiidan/Kushan, depending on who you played as) in the original Homeworld.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
God was kinda overdone, but he was pretty cool- sadistic, near-omnipotent, army of rabid zealot followers. Wouldn't care to take him on, but so long as he stays in fiction that's a thumbs up. Wouldn't mind being him, either- kinda like Blofield but you have to talk in Hebrew.
Heh ;)
Well my vote is for Ravel Puzzelwell from Planescape Torment. That's one crazy Night Hag :p
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Well, you wanna talk about scariest.. Resident Evil 2: When you're clair in the Police station, and that metal dude busts through the wall n front of you. Scared the crap outta me...
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You know when the Asguard had that planet full of Replicators stuck in a time warp, and the damn things 'evolved' in to people? Did they ever un-gay them after that, or was that then end of a quality enemy? I mean, the Borg were the **** in TNG... but they sucked copious egg in Voyager. Except for that first encounter, where they're watching a probe's telemetry and suddenly they've got a screen full of cube...
Zordrak was also a good baddie:
(http://www.nyanko.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dreamstone/images/introzordrak.jpg)
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The Replicators 0wn.
They're now impervious to all forms of attack. With the possible exception of a black-hole/supernova and other cosmically significant uber-explosions.
If they ever come out of that time-squish thingy, they'll be able to just run amok and ****ing 0wn everything.
And if the SG-Gods decide that they've gone the way of the Borg, they can just bring back the old Replicators saying they were in another part of the universe when the big freeze went down.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Zordrak was also a good baddie:
(http://www.nyanko.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dreamstone/images/introzordrak.jpg)
Oh my god, I used to watch that as a kid and loved every second of it, it was such a nice show! Thanks for reminding me (logs onto EBay in search of the VHS release..)
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Question on the Borg: Are they the great, distributed-mind setup from TNG, or the dumb, hive-queen setup from Voyager?
Anyway, there have been quite a few interesting science fiction enemies. I found Q rather interesting in the first few seasons of TNG, and the alliance against the Atreides in "Dune Messiah" was rather interesting.
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Oh.. almost forgot.
Nobodies mentioned one of the all time "greats" of arch-enemy fiction. The Master from Doctor Who.
This guy had it all, a sense of humor from time to time - but he was still a generally evil person. This is bound to raise the Daleks - but I reckon The Master was better.
Also:
His Divine Shadow: Lexx
Bester: Babylon 5
Agent Smither: The Matrix
Pinhead: Hellraiser Series
The Emporer / Darth Vader: Star Wars
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I think that the borg will always be the most memorial enemy because the sort of powers that they had assimilating technology, having massive ships, etc. :hopping:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
EDIT to Kali: Regarding the second thread Rampage made on the topic, I'd guess that he forgot to add a poll, so he edited the post without saying so, thus making him look dumb and annoying at the same time. It's just a theory though.
YES!!!! When I posted that other post, I recognized that I had forgotten to post a poll. So I changed the contents of the post to read "Please Delete This Post." Then, after I posted this thread, I changed my first post again with a link to this thread.
Also, when I talk about arch-enemy, I really mean an enemy that's unpredictable and/or mysterious. I personally wouldn't specify the Dominion or the Cardassians as an arch-enemy, but rather as a regular run-of-the-mill enemy, for they weren't as enigmatic as say, the Borg.
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Ming the Merciless!
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Originally posted by Makil Heru
I think that the borg will always be the most memorial enemy because the sort of powers that they had assimilating technology, having massive ships, etc. :hopping:
Or memorial in the way that Beramn and Braga raped them, flushed them down the toilet, stuck a knife up their ass and all the way through their heart then doing some kind of satanic river dance on them, then introducing them to Voyager.....
:sigh:
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I blame the writer of First Contact in addition to Brannon and Braga.
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meh, at least they were still bad-ass in that movie. The Queen addition sucked, yes, but at least it wasn't the whole Janeway-Nemesis, found off a cube or 3 with our uber-photon torpedos thing... ugh.
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I agree they killed the Borg off in one of the dumest ways possible they should have given them a more honorable death.
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(http://www.aths.com/ming.jpg)!
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C'mon guys... you're missing the most evil... Dr. Evil
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
(http://www.aths.com/ming.jpg)!
on a similar, Dr. Chaotica 0wns j00 :p :D
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*Captain Proton to the rescue!!!*
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Dude. Kor.
The original bad-guy.
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Double Post...
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Originally posted by Rampage
Also, when I talk about arch-enemy, I really mean an enemy that's unpredictable and/or mysterious.
Im that case, i also include the Covenant, and the Flood :p ...
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I agree with that the villians from Halo are preatty bad @$$.
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The covenant were idiots. If they'd only do more research before opening locked doors...
Then again, the captain wasn't much smarter...
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The flood were who they were because they attacked in huge numbers they were about intelegence but annoying the cr@p outta you in mass numbers.
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hey, the bad guys from Pirates of the Carribean were pretty good! First bad guys in a while that were just plain BAD, no frills attached :D
BTW, Makil, the only word that the censor filters is the f-word ;), so you don't have to put all the @ symbols in :D
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OMFG!!! How could I forget:
(http://botchthecrab.com/archive/decepticon/1984/megatron.jpg)
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an0n:
Dude. Kor.
The original bad-guy.
Uh...An0n...you spelt my name wrong ;)
How about an "old" StarWars (more specifical..."Tie-Fighter" ) arch-enemy.
Admiral Zarin: He betrayed the empire, tried to create a new empire like faction, stole the first cloak capable corvette (incidently...he also blew up the first cloak capable corvette...dumb ass...) he crippled the empires Tie-Advanced and Tie Defender construction capabilities, and he out-witted the great Grand Admiral Thrawn more than once!
I can't believe I remebered the entire T/F game in that paragraph/sentence...weird...
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He's got a, uh... giant gun scope on his arm.
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(http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/simpsons/images/340/burns.jpg)
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how about the first Blacktron faction? :D (Cor should get this one)
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What about Bowser, a.k.a. King Koopa? He might not be that tough, but he's the first villain i fought, and definitely a memorable one.
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Originally posted by CP5670
how about the first Blacktron faction? :D (Cor should get this one)
Space Police would 0wn them any day :p
then of course, you have the Spyborgs or whatever...
Originally posted by lobsterclaw
What about Bowser, a.k.a. King Koopa? He might not be that tough, but he's the first villain i fought, and definitely a memorable one.
Ganon would 0wn him any day. :p Then of course, their's Mr. Blonde ;7
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Koopa!? yes he is a villan, but not one I have much memory about, and this is after spending about 2/3s of my childhood fighting him and his buch of thugs, the fact is the turtle/whatever thing isn't anything more than a "boo! I'm a scary monster" thing, there wasn't anything to em
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Lest we forget the Ultimate Badass of Ultimate Badasses:
Kane
The Brotherhood is a joke, Kane himself has always been the threat.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Ganon would 0wn him any day. :p
No argument there.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
He's got a, uh... giant gun scope on his arm.
That gets more useful when he transforms into a Giant Gun
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I'm going to guess that would be old school Megatron, as I cannot see the image i question
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I'm going to guess that would be old school Megatron, as I cannot see the image i question
You'd be correct. However,
Megatron inferior. Galvatron superior.
Same mind, more uber body :D
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Q from ST:TNG
:p His arrogant attitude was hilarious at times
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Bester: Babylon 5
I'd agree with that. Bester was awesome.
One other guy from B5: the inquisitor. Sure he was only one episode, but come on, he's Jack the Ripper.
For anyone who's played the Baldur's Gate series. Irenicus.
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(http://www.planetdreamcast.com/sonic/sonic/merchandise/mcdson3toys/robotnik.jpg)
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Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
Q from ST:TNG
:p His arrogant attitude was hilarious at times
Ah... him...
Anyway, the Borg or Beast gets my vote, mainly just because their little "poem" has been my fav for a long time :D (Comon, you all know it...). The Beast was just evil. Plain evil.
Weeeeee aRrrrEE leegGGiioonN! (http://www.swooh.com/peon/Nuclear1/001_1337_aifr.wav)
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Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
Q from ST:TNG
Bah. Q was annoying as hell. I can barely stand to watch any episode he's in. The only good things to ever come out of Q episodes were the introduction to the Borg (and I can think of ten other ways to have introduced them) and Worfs comment about not being a merry man. That one cracks me up every time :lol:
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But Q plays so well with Picard, and then Janeway. :D
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Originally posted by nuclear1
Ah... him...
Anyway, the Borg or Beast gets my vote, mainly just because their little "poem" has been my fav for a long time :D (Comon, you all know it...). The Beast was just evil. Plain evil.
Weeeeee aRrrrEE leegGGiioonN! (http://www.swooh.com/peon/Nuclear1/001_1337_aifr.wav)
I remember when HW: Cataclysm was due to enter stores, PC Gamer had a review on the game. On the last page in the corner, they had a comparison between the Borg and the Beast called "Assimilation Showdown". It said something like this:
"...the Beast was just a spinoff of the Borg... Plus, who wouldn't be scared of a giant cube in space?"
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(http://www.goodbrush.com/hirez_pgs/concept/concept3/borgride.jpg)
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Oh my god!
I should have remembered!
The most memorable Arch-villians would be the lighters from the game Forced Alliance!
Pity few people played that game, it was a damn fine one too- perhaps better than FS itself when it came to storywise :nervous:
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Wait... what about the Hand from ED2?
I mean... it's just a freakin' hand! And it stil kicks royal ass! You gotta be good to overcome your disabilities like that!
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Lest we forget the Ultimate Badass of Ultimate Badasses:
Kane
The Brotherhood is a joke, Kane himself has always been the threat.
yeah Kane was among the best, especially in the first game. What happened to him at the end of firestorm anyway? He became fused with that cabal dude or something... :wtf:
Space Police would 0wn them any day :p
then of course, you have the Spyborgs or whatever...
at least the Blacktrons are well balanced. :p The first-generation Space Police ships were a combination of really heavy firepower and nonexistant engines, while the second-gen Space Police ships had multiple huge engines and crap weaponry. :p :D
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Lego, right?
Anyway, the ultimate Arch-Enemy is obvious. The big, fuzzy bundles of trans-stellar death we lovingly called the Kilrathi.
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Voted Borg, but I must clarify that as a TNG-era Borg. ;)
Almost voted Shivans, though. I didn't simply because they aren't all that much more unusual then a run-of-the-mill, super-powerful, bad-ass alien species. ;)
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Nuff respect to the Megatron post. But you're forgetting Unicron ;7
Rumour has a it a new Transformers film is in the works - but it's live-action [:wtf:]
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Rumour has a it a new Transformers film is in the works - but it's live-action [:wtf:]
They should do it ala Final Fantasy. :D
Omega Supreme rulez.
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It's either the Administrator from Half-Life or Kefka from Final Fantasy III.
Vamp from MGS2 is also one creepy dude.
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This post no words
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Nuff respect to the Megatron post. But you're forgetting Unicron ;7
Unicron was weak. He only returned from certain death a couple of times while Megatron/Galvatron just kept doing it. :)
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Hammer of Light.
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIL!!!!!!
(http://home3.inet.tele.dk/debrass/pics/lisa-mug.gif)
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(http://www.workoutmusicvideo.com/images/richard.jpg)
easy when you think about it.
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(http://www.dobig.com/evilcat/evilcat114.jpg)
This cat just looks awesome!
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I agree Richard Simmons is of the utmost form of evil that you will ever see. :devil:
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It's true about Galvatron. I never realised that he wasn't actually Megatron until I found a website with the complete history of the Transformers, from Primus' battle with Unicron right up until Unicron's final defeat. Nor did I realise quite how mental Galvatron was. The guy was nuts.
Anyway, back to nemises (that actually a word?). I present Lambert's nemesis:
(http://swooh.com/peon/diamondgeezer/images/Lambert%20vs%20Drone.jpg)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
It's true about Galvatron. I never realised that he wasn't actually Megatron until I found a website with the complete history of the Transformers, from Primus' battle with Unicron right up until Unicron's final defeat. Nor did I realise quite how mental Galvatron was. The guy was nuts.
Huh? Not Megatron? He admits to being megatron in the comics (In Target 2006 while torturing Jazz IIRC) and we quite clearly see him being changed in the movie.
I agree about him being nuts though. He was quite different from Megatron. Look at what he did to Starscream compared with what Megatron usually did (i.e slap him about and generally show him who's boss but not do any huge damage to him)
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Read this (www.swooh.com/peon/diamondgeezer/blah/morethan.txt)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Read this (www.swooh.com/peon/diamondgeezer/blah/morethan.txt)
That person needs a life.
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I've rarely seen a document more full of basic mistakes. :)
Still it has made me want to read my old transformers comics again so some good came out of looking at it. :D
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The HoL could beat the crap out of the Decepticons any day.
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
The HoL could beat the crap out of the Decepticons any day.
Give it a rest Woolie. No one else is going to join in your stupid vs battle anyway.
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The TeleTubbies would get their collective wired rear ends handed to them by My Little Pony & Friends!!!!112
:nervous:
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
The HoL could beat the crap out of the Decepticons any day.
Long live Vasuda!
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Sandwich: No way man! Tellytubbies were thug! They might look cute, but those suckers knew Kung Fu, and if you pissed 'em off they might sic their giant psycho guard rabbits on you!
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Not to mention the butch one :nervous:
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Yeah, I heard Tinky Winky ****ed a guy up in prison, knocked all his teeth out and made him... well, might not be true, seeing as he ain't anatomically correct and all, but I wouldn't be surprised if he found a way...
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stryke: that's what the things on their heads are for.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Give it a rest Woolie. No one else is going to join in your stupid vs battle anyway.
I was not setting up a VS battle.
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...but the HoL were not enemies. They were heroes. :wtf:
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Heroes? They're were murderous maniacs! They tried to wipe out the human race!
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Your point?:confused:
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Sentient Hyper-Optimised Data Access Network
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The Shivans, in Freespace 1, when you were pretty much fighting a losing battle, it just seemed like the Shivans were the biggest nemesis ever... Freespace 1 and 2 are still the only games that I have ever gotten butterflies in my stomach due to the story, and fighting against the big bad shivans, and the holy SH!T factor to them, they are just that awesome... And the shivan are just scary, especially in the hall-fight scene. I had nightmares about that one...
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Originally posted by an0n
This is very simple:
(http://www.rdanderson.com/stargate/capture4/80venm24.jpg)
Agreed. Perhaps not the most efficient (SG-1 would be dead by now) nor the most downright scary (Anubis gives me the shivers, seen his face?), but certainly most memorably. He gave SG-1 more than a run for their money over... how many seasons was he? I simply cannot attach anything good to the name 'Apophis' anymore. :D
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Originally posted by adwight
The Shivans, in Freespace 1, when you were pretty much fighting a losing battle, it just seemed like the Shivans were the biggest nemesis ever... Freespace 1 and 2 are still the only games that I have ever gotten butterflies in my stomach due to the story, and fighting against the big bad shivans, and the holy SH!T factor to them, they are just that awesome... And the shivan are just scary, especially in the hall-fight scene. I had nightmares about that one...
The only thing is... After 14 years of war, when we were totally strapped, with only a very few fighters left, and the shivans came for us... things seemed more desperate. FS1 made me fall in love with the game. FS2 wasn't half as good to me. The technology made things more interresting, and the gameplay was faster paced and the like, and I did enjoy it. But that feeling of exasperation wasn't there. There was only a 14(18?) month war that time around, and many many many more recruits from all of the colonized systems. I find it difficult to believe that with all of the smallscale battles we saw, and all of the resources we had, the best we could come up with is that lame ass cap gun... "colossus"...:doubt:
If you get what I'm trying to say. (32 years of resource gathering and R&D, and we waste it)
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Skynet is evil, gave us lot's of terminators!
but the best nememsis has to Khan from Star Trek II. It is still the best of the Treks, and very few movies have come close to replicating that epic space battle between the Enterprise and the Reliant.
As for the ultimate evil, well this dude is evil:hopping:
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Originally posted by Thor
Skynet is evil, gave us lot's of terminators!
but the best nememsis has to Khan from Star Trek II. It is still the best of the Treks, and very few movies have come close to replicating that epic space battle between the Enterprise and the Reliant.
As for the ultimate evil, well this dude is evil:hopping:
KHAAAAAAANNNN!!! ;) i just couldn't resist :p
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1: (http://archives.volitionwatch.com/download/fs1mod/Shivan.jpg)
2: (http://www.code7r.org/inquiz/images/koshgi.jpg)
3: (http://web.planet.nl/game/foto/nolf2/nolf26-gr.jpg)