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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Grey Wolf on August 12, 2003, 02:14:08 am
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I'm just wondering whether you all are waiting for Prescott or Athlon 64.
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Pentium 17 with wormhole access to a Universe-sized mainframe processor in another dimension. Capable of rendering complex scenes of up to 2400000000000x180000000000 in realtime!
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I very much appreciate the last option there - it's around what my laptop, the old critter that it is, has inside it. It's just about enough to run Alpha Centauri slightly jerkily, and that's enough for me.
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Athlon 64, because it will be cheaper than the Prescott. Also because I don't like chips named after British Deputy Prime-Ministers. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by vyper
Athlon 64, because it will be cheaper than the Prescott. Also because I don't like chips named after British Deputy Prime-Ministers. :rolleyes:
Amen!
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AMD Opteron "Athens" (up to 8 processors on-board), power is greater than any other intel processor...:p (duals and up ^o^)
AMD Athlon 64 "Odessa" :yes:
both processors are .09 micron/90nm which is awez :cool:
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Originally posted by vyper
Athlon 64, because it will be cheaper than the Prescott. Also because I don't like chips named after British Deputy Prime-Ministers. :rolleyes:
Indeed. You won't be able to understand anything it says, and it will keep punching you.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Indeed. You won't be able to understand anything it says, and it will keep punching you.
:lol: :lol:
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Indeed. You won't be able to understand anything it says, and it will keep punching you.
:lol: :lol: rofl :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Now I shall display my ignorance. What's a Prescott?
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Originally posted by Hudzy
Now I shall display my ignorance. What's a Prescott?
A fat violent politician.
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And all politicians aren't fat and violent?
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Some of them are just stout and agressive.
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Originally posted by Max
AMD Opteron "Athens" (up to 8 processors on-board), power is greater than any other intel processor...:p (duals and up ^o^)
AMD Athlon 64 "Odessa" :yes:
both processors are .09 micron/90nm which is awez :cool:
San Diego is the 90nm desktop core w/ Socket 939 and dual DDR. Odessa is the mobile variant.
To tell you the truth though, I actually like the look of Paris/Victoria better. Although they only have single channel DDR, they'll be much cheaper, most likely.
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I'm waiting for the ATHALON.
I keep hearing great things about this chip, but haven't seen one for sale yet!
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Not until September IIRC.
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Originally posted by Liberator
Not until September IIRC.
:wtf: :lol:
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Whatever happened to the Hammer?
And as for a chip called Prescott, once you include depreciation, inflation and the price of keeping troops in the Gulf, I'll be surprised if you could play lemmings on it ;)
Flipside.
Mebbe it's nickname is 'TwoBusses'? ;)
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Hammer = Clawhammer and Sledgehammer
Clawhammer = Athlon 64
Sledgehammer = Opteron
And Prescott is the code-name for the new Intel core. 3.4 GHz and 100w+ of heat that needs to be dissipated by your poor little heatsink :p
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Thanks for the clarification :)
Ok, mebbe we should call the Prescott '2 Fans' then ;)
Flipside :D
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I prefer "Two Sheds" Prescott.
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Good god! Zylon actually brought a smile to my face!
I can't be getting enough sleep.;)
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Opteron FX. It may only have half the cache of the regular Opteron, but it won't be limited to a 64-bit memory channel like the Clawhammer-based Athlon 64 will be. Yeah, I'm already sick of seeing FX as the latest hardware tag-on, but it's the numbers that will count.
Fancy that, first post in months and it's not even about Freespace.
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I wish they'd make something like the processors in handhelds but using more normal architecture. In other words, a processor in the range of 100 to 400mhz, that's frickin' small, doesn't take a bit of power to run, and is fine with passive cooling, if that. It would be easily possible with current technology - for instance the old laptop I spoke of earlier (~75mhz) overheats itself very quickly if it's put on an insulating surface such as a bed where the 'feet' can't raise it up, yet my handheld (even when overclocked to 462mhz) which, like the laptop, has no fan, remains cold metal throughout. The only bit that heats up is the backlight if it's on full brightness.
Now if someone made something like that to stick in a laptop, it'd be perfect. 400mhz is enough for anything other than those newfangled three-dimensional games rampaging the market these days. And, to be honest, it isn't much of a loss. Most games around at the moment are the same, give or take a bit of graphics. 2D games get the most innovation, since you can't just overload it with pretty graphics and call it a sequel. Unless you're Sid Meier.
Unfortunately, it's all numbers these days, so it won't happen. Fun ol' world, innit?
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Lol, you are posting a putting a post saying that 3D games aren't really necessary, and it's all about 2D games, on a board based on one of the best 3D games ever made? :D
Anyways, yea, I was wondering myself why they didn't put something like a souped-up Palm processor in a PC. Of course, the big processors have more capability, and more hidden horsepower.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Lol, you are posting a putting a post saying that 3D games aren't really necessary, and it's all about 2D games, on a board based on one of the best 3D games ever made? :D
I am indeed. But I suppose freespace would run on 400mhz... *checks*
Okay, both FS and FS2 work on a 450mhz with a SiS 2D graphics card. Good old spare-parts computer. So with even a low-end graphics card from this era (instead of last century like the SiS), a laptop built around a 400mhz chip oughta do the trick.
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Originally posted by Odyssey
I am indeed. But I suppose freespace would run on 400mhz... *checks*
Okay, both FS and FS2 work on a 450mhz with a SiS 2D graphics card. Good old spare-parts computer. So with even a low-end graphics card from this era (instead of last century like the SiS), a laptop built around a 400mhz chip oughta do the trick.
*Remembers being amazed by the Nebula on the FS2 demo running on his 400mhz k6-2 with 16mb tnt2*
Scary thing is that was only four years ago.
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The spare-parts-machine is a 450mhz K6-2 with a 2mb SiS. It's crap. And it runs the best 3D game ever. How intriguing. Pity they don't make games that'll run great on just that any more :(
EDIT: Maybe it's something to do with the code being completely illogically written? Methinks old computers like that :p
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Originally posted by Odyssey
The spare-parts-machine is a 450mhz K6-2 with a 2mb SiS. It's crap. And it runs the best 3D game ever. How intriguing. Pity they don't make games that'll run great on just that any more :(
You pay the price technology wise for the latest games, that is true. But with games like GTA: Vice City, C&C Generals and the forthcoming HL2 and Doom 3 I think it's worth it.
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Originally posted by 01010
You pay the price technology wise for the latest games, that is true. But with games like GTA: Vice City, C&C Generals and the forthcoming HL2 and Doom 3 I think it's worth it.
C&C Generals = remake of all the 2D things in the series just because everything 'has to be 3D' these days with huge PC requirements otherwise people won't take it seriously.
GTA-ViceCity = glorified version of arcade games, with more violence.
HL2, Doom3, UT2003, etc. = all the same.
Myself, I don't see the appeal. Each to their own though :)
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Originally posted by Odyssey
C&C Generals = remake of all the 2D things in the series just because everything 'has to be 3D' these days with huge PC requirements otherwise people won't take it seriously.
GTA-ViceCity = glorified version of arcade games, with more violence.
HL2, Doom3, UT2003, etc. = all the same.
Myself, I don't see the appeal. Each to their own though :)
Generals is just a 3d remake I agree, but I loved the originals so it's a moot point. I'd heavily disagree with you on the Vice City remark however, it's the closest you'll come to experiencing a livng, breathing world on a computer and it is so much fun that I'm still playing it solidly two months after I completed it, which is a complete change for me as I'm so jaded with most games nowadays I don't even bother to complete them.
I played the Doom 3 alpha and that game will be something special if ID manage to maintain the atmosphere from that for the entire game, the first time I was ever truly terrified to walk around the next bend for fear of what was there.
Half Life 2, that just speaks for itself. That game is going to decimate everything else on the shelves for a good six months at least in my opinion.
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Well, I'm not going to argue - as I said, each to their own. I'm still playing Alpha Centauri, and that's been one hell of a long time since its release ^_^
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Originally posted by Odyssey
I wish they'd make something like the processors in handhelds but using more normal architecture. In other words, a processor in the range of 100 to 400mhz, that's frickin' small, doesn't take a bit of power to run, and is fine with passive cooling, if that. It would be easily possible with current technology - for instance the old laptop I spoke of earlier (~75mhz) overheats itself very quickly if it's put on an insulating surface such as a bed where the 'feet' can't raise it up, yet my handheld (even when overclocked to 462mhz) which, like the laptop, has no fan, remains cold metal throughout. The only bit that heats up is the backlight if it's on full brightness.
Now if someone made something like that to stick in a laptop, it'd be perfect. 400mhz is enough for anything other than those newfangled three-dimensional games rampaging the market these days. And, to be honest, it isn't much of a loss. Most games around at the moment are the same, give or take a bit of graphics. 2D games get the most innovation, since you can't just overload it with pretty graphics and call it a sequel. Unless you're Sid Meier.
Unfortunately, it's all numbers these days, so it won't happen. Fun ol' world, innit?
Get a transmeta processor then.
www.transmeta.com
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Originally posted by Odyssey
Well, I'm not going to argue - as I said, each to their own. I'm still playing Alpha Centauri, and that's been one hell of a long time since its release ^_^
I'd like Civilization more if I wasn't so bad at it :)
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Get a transmeta processor then.
www.transmeta.com
Yeah, they're good, but I haven't ever seen a teeny, cheap (i.e. not Sony Vaio) laptop mass-produced with one. If only...
Originally posted by 01010
I'd like Civilization more if I wasn't so bad at it :)
I've got Civ3 lying around from a friend, but I tried it for a few minutes and said "Aw, dammit", then returned to Alpha Centauri. I'm sure given an hour or two I'd pick it up (like Alpha Centauri at first), but I can't be arsed at the moment ^_^
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How much is cheap? If you're willing to pay 1500 you can get a sharp actius, very small notebook with a 1ghz transmeta processor.
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Well, my handheld cost £400 new a year ago, and the laptop would have to be less miniaturised than that, so knock off £100 or so, then add ~£200-300 for larger screen, casing, larger battery... And then, with a little more fudge factor, we get £700-ish.
Assuming that the price you gave for the Actius was in dollars, then that's £1000-ish. Not half bad, I suppose. But I don't need all that speed! Oh well, I can just wait until it all comes down in price. The old laptop has served for 5 years or so, it can go on a few more, albeit whilst burning my lap in the process... Bloody hot-running :S