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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kamikaze on August 21, 2003, 12:35:53 am
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http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med/revolutions_320_dl.mov
http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med/revolutions_480_dl.mov
http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med/revolutions_640_dl.mov
those're direct links to the .mov files
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A while ago I got the one with Smiffy laughing... slightly disturbing to say the least.
Anyway, I was enjoying that thread we had a while back with all Ashrak's theories, so I'm reviving its spirit and trapping it in the shell of this one. Now, we had concluded that the reason the Matrix was inherently unstable was because of the machines inability to think outside the box, that is to say they think in ones and zeroes whereas humans can hold two opposing points of view at the same time and believe them both to be right, and go on to make illogical actions because we can choose our own fate, choose to fly in the face of all logic if we wish.
Now, the moral of the Matrix trilogy is all about the human ability to make choices. Which is why Neo was able to save Morpheus - the machines never expected a rescue attempt because the chances of sucess were so low that they would never have made the attempt themselves. Their logic dictated that Morpheus would be killed. But Neo made the choice to go, despite reasons not to. Hence the lines 'nothing like this has ever been done before' 'I know... that's why it's going to work'. The machines simply couldn't conceive a human making such a foolhardy attempt.
Anyway, what I believe will be the great irony of the overall story is that while choice is what seperates us from them, it will not be our choices which defeat the machines in the end. Because in a story of so many variable, with so many twists and head-****s, where nothing is ever as it seems, the real wild card is Smith. And Smith is now free from the system (well, so it appears). Morpheus line 'he fights for us...' in Revolutions has me convinced - it is Smith's choice that will defeat the machines. Not, perhaps, because he likes us but because he hates them for imprisoning him for so long in the Matrix amongst the smelly organic beings.
My money's on Smith to be the deciding factor. Roll on November! (or whenever it's out)
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Interesting trailer, there seems to be a third faction now.
Basically:
Machines
Morpheus and co
New freaks
Perhaps the others are rogue programs going against Morpheus and human-friendly programs like Seraph. It's also possible that, knowing the prophecy was a lie, suddenly people are hostile to Morpheus and co. (That would explain why they don't like Seraph, he was with the Oracle)
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Can someone PLEASE put a mirror of the file somewhere? I can't download more than a meg of the trailer. :(
EDIT: Nevermind - for once in my life... I LOVE FILEPLANET!!! (http://www.fileplanet.com/files/120000/129371.shtml) :D ;7 :D
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is it the same one that was at the end of reloaded titles?
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Nope.
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Morpheus line 'he fights for us...' in Revolutions has me convinced - it is Smith's choice that will defeat the machines.
Where'd you see that?
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Downloading... so this is not the one at the end of Revolutions? Is it the one in Enter The Matrix...?
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I've got two theories throwing around in my head...
Go with me for a second on this:
1st theory: The Matrix is...wait for it...wait for it...an "On-line FPS/RPG Game" of the future. It's like real life, but the thing is. It isn't. When you die in either the matrix or "in real life" (which is like a lobby of sorts...only it's part of the game too) you get lose, and you can't enter the game as that character. Now...we get to the interesting part. The Machines. The bad guys of course. or are they? Are they part of the game? or are they hackers? They can dodge bullets, and can transport to another location via other NPCs. Sorta sounds like what a hacker can do in TFC, or CS now doesn't it? The thing is. Neo is also a Hacker. And he's got a hellva lot of hacks! Bullet dodging, invinciblity, flying! Now, don't get me wrong though. He can still be killed while he's in the "lobby". The only way to beat the game...and reset the game server. is the beat the Machines and free all of mankind!
2nd theory: The Matrix is one of dozens or hundreds of matrixes! It's part of something I'd like to call..."The Multi-Matrix". Well let's think about this for a moment shall we? There has already been...6 matrixes hasn't there? Well, what if the machines thought up a fail-safe system? They created a "multi-matrix" program, which makes few choosen people think they've left the matrix, but they are still hooked up. The only thing that can stop the multi-matrix, is...basically...a power surge. It'd overload the machines and cause the matrix...or matrixes to deactivate. Now the power surge thing...I haven't quite figured it out. I'll reply when I've thought up how a power surge could work.
Those are my theories! Flame them, ponder at them, and add your own theories!
Cor
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The machines lost the war.
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Agent Smith : A self replicanting malignant program?
Virus :)
Neo : Can now sense the Sentinels and control them?
Have they left the Matrix yet?
Just my thoughts :)
Flipside :D
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I'd bet anything that the 3rd faction are the corrupt programs. If you look at them, they look EXACTLY like the vampires + people from the Enter the Matrix game.
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the real wild card is Smith
If that is true, why would he fight Neo? Why would he send one of his to the real world to kill Neo and others? Why would he sabbotage the fleet at the end of Reloaded? Does that make Neo a bad guy?
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No. It makes Smith a wildcard. You're fond of dictionary.com, look the word up.
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is this the same trailer that they showed at the end of Matrix 2?
anyway, there's many matrix "explanations" out there, you guys should read some of them
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Originally posted by Ashrak
is it the same one that was at the end of reloaded titles?
No, but it has some scenes from it.
This trailer is ****ing badass. I can't wait for the movie!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Nope.
Where'd you see that?
He saw it in this: http://www.movie-list.net/mlst2k2/matrix-revolutions.mpg
and here are some mirrors
zipped mirror:
http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/progressive/thematrix/us/med/revolutions_640_dl.zip
mirror:
http://www.whatisthescape.de/files/revolutions_640 _dl.mov
zipped mirror:
http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med/revolutions_640_dl.zip
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The l33t people at the cinema, told us there was no trailer after the movie(Reloaded), so they loaded another reel or whatever, which had it on. :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
The machines lost the war.
Bah. I doubt it. Why would the humans go through all the trouble of making the machines think they're human?
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Originally posted by Levyathan
Bah. I doubt it. Why would the humans go through all the trouble of making the machines think they're human?
i know, right!
what's your brother been smoking? :D :D :D :D ;)
Actually i KNOW the humans will win :D
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Originally posted by Stealth
what's your brother been smoking? :D :D :D :D ;)
I guess he's just been testing his theory about alcohol increasing your brain's average thinking speed. But that doesn't matter, because it wasn't his idea in the first place. Read this (http://www.thelastfreecity.com/zionswitchboard/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=12480).
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Originally posted by Levyathan
I guess he's just been testing his theory about alcohol increasing your brain's average thinking speed. But that doesn't matter, because it wasn't his idea in the first place. Read this (http://www.thelastfreecity.com/zionswitchboard/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=12480).
Bah, ruining my fun. I should delete your post.
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cool trailer:)
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Originally posted by Stealth
is this the same trailer that they showed at the end of Matrix 2?
anyway, there's many matrix "explanations" out there, you guys should read some of them
It is basically the same trialer except that on this one, graphics are much more better than on the other one. However I liked the music from previous.
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there is something else to potentially take into account: the matrix online game they're working on. According to the few snippets of info on it takes place after the Matrix:Revs and with an intact matrix.
(also remember that morpheus said that most people just aren't ready to leave the matrix)
what if man indeed defeats machine but chooses not to destroy the matrix? instead leaving most of it intact, with it's programming (i.e. agents, etc) but with under overall human control? Or even under an 'alliance' between man and machine (taking into account that counsil-dude what's-his-name said that man can't go without machine but that machine likewise can't go without man?
Of course it's also possible they **** up the ending completely thus creating a George Lucas New Star Wars Style Turd of Trilogy.
In the Matrix anything is possible! :D
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With his ability to take over both people and machines, Smith is a greater threat than we could possibly imagine. This is why Neo is going to kill him. Then he's going to find out the Truth.
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
Of course it's also possible they **** up the ending completely thus creating a George Lucas New Star Wars Style Turd of Trilogy.
I KNEW IT! Neo is the original Jedi!
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Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
I KNEW IT! Neo is the original Jedi!
no you dumass... Neo's Darth Vader's father!
*DUH*
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Originally posted by Stealth
no you dumass... Neo's Darth Vader's father!
*DUH*
No Mr. Numbbrains, Smith is his father. Neo is Yoda's father!
*D'OH*
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Originally posted by Levyathan
Read this (http://www.thelastfreecity.com/zionswitchboard/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=12480).
:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
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Whoever wrote that has too much time on his/her hands.