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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Martinus on August 22, 2003, 01:27:56 pm
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[color=66ff00]You asked for them so here they are please note that there are textures missing due to me not being able to figure out how aurora works :D :
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/abaris.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/aegis.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/anan.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/Anhur.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/aoh.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/bachus.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/baku.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/balmung.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/benkei.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/briareos.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/caerus.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/chimera.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/chiron.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/chrysaor.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/corv_scylla.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/cyllene.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/danishi.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/duat.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/Ennead.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/ezechiel.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/gaia.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/geb.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/gtexd.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/Harpy.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/hydra.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/joh.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/ladiel.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/legion.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/lilith.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/mihos.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/oni.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/outpost.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/tanks.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/raiden.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/raziel.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/ryujin.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/serpent.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/sfgorgon.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/sentrygun.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/sentrygun2.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/shai.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/succubus.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/tdd.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/titan.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/unx.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/uriel.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/yaaru.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/yomi.jpg)
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[color=66ff00]These screencaps don't do the models justice by any stretch of the imagination, they're just to give you guys some idea of what we have to work with.
BTW PLEASE DO NOT ask Venom for any of the models, he has made it quite clear that he will not be releasing them to the public. They will be released when the FSUpgrade is released. How's that for incentive? ;)
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Very good, but they're stylasied as hell. Might take some imagination to think of some of those vessels as GTA...
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Ok, I'm going to be blunt. All the following models suck IMO. For different reasons:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/anan.jpg)
:wtf: Wtf is this? A fighter with a big board next to it?
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/duat.jpg)
Ok, I don't mean to be insultive, but if I have to fight such ships in a campaign it really makes me sad. Yes, they are alien. But that doesn't mean they have to look like a melted lollipop.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/geb.jpg)
:shaking: This ship will most definatly not be liked by me. I mean, no offense, it looks like a bunch of scrap metal welded together. With some serious retexturing you can make it look way better.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/joh.jpg)
Same as the above (The Geb).
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/oni.jpg)
Ok, two big blocks welded onto a more welded together cubes.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/tdd.jpg)
Ok, The design is very good here, but it needs SERIOUS retexturing :p
Ow, and please don't take these comments the wrong way. The rest of the models are awesome, its just that the above are truly below standard IMO. The new race should have a more techy texturing noy some softy Vasudan texture job. Make it something special.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/balmung.jpg)
What the hell is that?
Most of the ships look good, however, you're right, those textures don't do them justice. If myself and a few other modelers could get our hands on them, we could probably fix up some of the biggest faults (my biggest complaint is that the fighters are too blocky and don't have the proper curves to be a space fighter).
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[color=66ff00]The first thing I said was that textures are missing due to a problem with aurora, the first fighter's other 'wing' is not rendered as a result of this.
The other models with the exception of the last two are also missing textures.
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Can we have an IRC chat for this project?
Anyways, the anan looks good, however, it should have some more smoothed surfaces, and those guns should be pulled up closer to the fuselage.
BTW, Maeg, I'm back to school on Monday, so not a lot of work can be done by me for the next 2 weeks or so afterwards. :(
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Lots good models:yes:
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Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
Lots good models:yes:
[color=66ff00]I think some of those designs are quite beautiful, particularly the vasudan models.
UT I'm pretty sure that model is a beam turret.
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think some of those designs are quite beautiful, particularly the vasudan models.
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:nod:
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Not sure I like the Lilith one, but then there were some ships in the original FS2 that I didn't like either :)
Flipside :D
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*cums*
The Balmung is an RBC. As for the blockyness of the terran fighters.. it makes them.. well, more terran.
On the first ship TCO quoted, I like everything about it save the wings. They look like they're read to say "MAXIMIZE!" and turn into a different fighter.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
*cums*
:wtf: ewwww....
Anyways, I still think that cannon should be pulled up closer to the belly.
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I think there are too few shivans here ... there are millions of them :).
Understand: There are only a few Shivan models here.
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/raziel.jpg)
That's my favorite fighter. :D
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]The first thing I said was that textures are missing due to a problem with aurora, the first fighter's other 'wing' is not rendered as a result of this.
The other models with the exception of the last two are also missing textures.
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well, there's also a lot of swapped maps, obviously.
as for the comments about blockiness, etc: I don't give a fcking damn.
New species? there's no new species in all those ships, save for the unx ship ( the blue one ). The ships mapped with vasudan maps are, guess what? vasudans!
The ships are not mapped like GTA ships coz... well, I'm not gonna explain what OTT ships are again. I suggested that they should be remapped when I handed them over to maeglamor.
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ok, venom, about the fronts of the ships: no terran fighter should have a square front, like the one I just posted, it should have some sort of curve to it, but not a simple flat front.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
ok, venom, about the fronts of the ships: no terran fighter should have a square front, like the one I just posted, it should have some sort of curve to it, but not a simple flat front.
ok, let's put it simply: all that was done for OTT, not for the FSupgrade originally. I designed those ships with my own tastes, and at that time, I was doing my OWN campaign, and gave no damn about what people would think: if they didn't like the deisgn, they could just avoid the forum and forget about the whole thing. I see no reason why a ship should be rounded, it's space, a flying wall would handle as well as a perseus in space. Mind you, I like blocky designs. The angles of the pics above don't help, in some cases. two obvious exemples are the Anan and the Oni, I do agree they don't look so great from that angle. I posted a poll about the favorite light fighter in OTT a while ago, it featured the raziel, the oni, and a vasudan ship ( don't remember which one ). The poll featured pics from an angle, slighly from the top. the Oni scored second, with only a couple hints of difference.
The public for OTT, and only this one, was happy with the designs I came up with. Now I understand that it won't please everybody for such a different project as the FSU one.
So I would suggest Maeg to post better pics of each ship, and run a poll such as "keep this, scrap that".
Now I'm done with the topic, I've provided the things, and I won't worry about anything anymore. If you don't like the designs I've done, be happy, coz I won't do anything else, if there's other ships added, I won't have anything to do with them.
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A whole lot of these look like V concept art. Not that that's bad mind you...
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the hydra, the benkei, the ennead and the serpent are volition concepts. The Gorgon too, but I didn't make that one ( credits to dark for that gorgeous ship )
The GTEXD is a model from sandwich, too.
The Anan ( the bilboard ship ) is a beafed up benkei, so in fact it looks pretty much alike, and so is much based on V concept pics too.
edit: the mihos: it looks absolutly ugly in modelview and the likes, it always had its maps messed up in it, never knew why. the maps are normal size, 256 color PCX, I checked it countless times. looks fine ingame tho.
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I'm actually happy with how the Vasudan capships are looking in the end ;) Maybe my whining and complaining and feeble reskins worked. :)
I think the red and blue on the Baku is a little too intense, lowering the saturation to about 50% of what it currently is would make it look better.
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/bachus.jpg)
Sorta looks like a mark 2 to one of the TVWP's ships.:D
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that's an escape pod :p
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/hydra.jpg)
Looks like the D3 Pyro...
Originally posted by Maeglamor
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/legion.jpg)
Different from an Orion How?
Originally posted by Knight Templar
*cums*
:wtf: Unfortuneatly, I saw that coming... (no pun intended)
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
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[img]http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/briareos.jpg)
What is that supposed to be? Looks like it was inspired by the transport craft in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.
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Different from an Orion How?
Notice the large hole at the back and other deformed parts.
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Originally posted by Hippo
Different from an Orion How?
that's the Legion: the orion with the hole in the FS2 intro. not obvious on that pic because of the black background. It was a scenary prop, not really a "ship" per say.
deepblue: it's a dropship.
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For fighters?
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Originally posted by Deepblue
For fighters?
no, troops. like a "space chinook".
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It reminds me of this
(http://www.evilnet.net/~jhfong/probe/Models/Gallery/page30/cprhd6.jpg)
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The people that dislike these models can bugger off. They have no taste.
Venom, as usual, your work is inspiring, and incredibly well done. I'm especially fond of those Vasudan ships. They rock beyond belief.
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all those ships look good
good work Venom:) :)
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Deep: What ship is that?
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Geez guys, be grateful. :rolleyes:
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Oh crap! drool on my keyboard! ;)
Cheers
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Oh crap! drool on my keyboard! ;)
Cheers
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Oh Crap! Double post. :rolleyes:
Great models, BTW. :nod:
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A couple look a little like some of the Homeworld concept art.
I think an Ion Frigate would be an interesting project.
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Venom, these models are of the quality we've come to expect.
Thank you for them.
To the rest of you who have complained about the models:
1. Let's see you do better. I know I can't.
2. The purpose of wings, planes, or other extremities on a vehicle, given the context is twofold, to give added manuverability by moving the verniers away from the the center of gravit and to move the shield projectors further away from the hull so any energy that does get through disipates with the interveneing distance.
Once again, thank you Venom. And just ignore teh loosers that don't appreciate such a fine gift.
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Great stuff mate! :)
I really like the Vasudan stuff. :)
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http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/benkei.jpg
is a sweet ship, but I think it could use a reskin to look more great-warish. I always loved that concept pic, and was hoping it would get made. :yes: :D
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After all, the blocky white ships are Tau ships, which are not supposed to be graceful because the Tau were kind of desperate and slapped them together.
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Really wish I knew the full extent of the OTT plotline bout' now..
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Here comes my personal "TOP 3":
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/mihos.jpg)
Extreme, awesome, superb. Love it. The best Vasudan fighter / bomber model I've ever seen.
When will it be available?
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/Harpy.jpg)
Very, very, VERY good. A definite eye-candy and great design.
When will it be available?
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/Ennead.jpg)
[V] Concept Art design, great model. A slight polycount improvement would be nice.
When will it be available?
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They are all available actually. Although none of the models are technically available from Venom (as they are now for the project), the Vasudan ships are in Inferno (with different skins) and the the shivan one is on Venoms site (in his sig. ) as he released all of his shivan stuffs.
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Originally posted by Fr3z3r
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/Ennead.jpg)
[V] Concept Art design, great model. A slight polycount improvement would be nice.
seems I sent maeg the wrong version, actually. it's supposed to be smoothed...
Ypoknon: the Tau weren't desesperate :blah: well, not at the begining at least, and the ships already existed. the blockiness is just, well, coz I wanted to, nothing more, nothing less.
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The Harpy... ooh, missed that one. Nice. :yes:
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My mistake, sorry Venom. I've always assumed them to be kind of rag tagged. Should have read more carefully.
Fr3z3r, isn't the your third favorite model (in the order you posted anyways) in Inferno?
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Both of the Vasudan ones are, actually.
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Holy **** Venom!! You rule man!
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Noting that this is an FS UPGRADE project, I think we should only use some (maybe all) of Venom's models, and keep all the old ships in.
If it was supposed to be FS3/a new FS2 campaign, then we could remove the old ships, but since we're only supposed to be giving new tools and a new lease on life to the original FS2, the old ships should still be kept.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Noting that this is an FS UPGRADE project, I think we should only use some (maybe all) of Venom's models, and keep all the old ships in.
If it was supposed to be FS3/a new FS2 campaign, then we could remove the old ships, but since we're only supposed to be giving new tools and a new lease on life to the original FS2, the old ships should still be kept.
But if we do that, we can't legally put it up for Download anywhere. If we change all the ships (and all the textures, interface screens, effects etc. - a massive but not impossible job) we can put it up for DL wherever we want with the latest SCP exe.
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Nice. Some of those corvette-looking Terran capships seem to be suffering from TMGS* though....
* = (Too Many Gun Syndrome)
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compared to regular FS2 ships, all capships are between 1.5 and 2 times bigger, so they're also more heavily armed. of course that might be a problem here.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Really wish I knew the full extent of the OTT plotline bout' now..
Without giving anything away...it goes like this. The Shivans invade and blow stuff up :)
Oh...you probably already know that. Sorry.
(random post of the day, week, month, year).
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jeeze, you become like DG more and more each time I sign on..
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/raziel.jpg)
That's my favorite fighter. :D
mine too
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this is an older thread, and there may be pictures in between but I'll add my voice to saying that I think many of the Vasudan vessels could use some work. I mean, its better than I could do. There's no disputing that (until I do a model), but as a great fan of Vasudan designs I am wholly unimpressed by the few I can recognize as vasudan.
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Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
this is an older thread, and there may be pictures in between but I'll add my voice to saying that I think many of the Vasudan vessels could use some work. I mean, its better than I could do. There's no disputing that (until I do a model), but as a great fan of Vasudan designs I am wholly unimpressed by the few I can recognize as vasudan.
[color=66ff00]All good and well but unless you're going to point out which ones and give us ideas on how you think they can be improved you may as well not have posted.
BTW This thread is pretty new. :confused:
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Hey Look at Me! I'm completed and ready to use!
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/datdb/KT/Saqqara.jpg)
Smile! (http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/datdb/KT/saqq.zip) :)
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'Twould need a retexture first methinks KT, as its based off a [V] skin, and therefore, technically, warez. I dunno how picky Maeg is planning to be though.
BTW, I like the boxy fighters venom, and they'd fit quite neatly into the arsenal of the bad guys in my plot entry :D
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thanks :)
I don't have access to the plots, btw, so I have no info about the one you submitted ;)
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Originally posted by LAM3O
mine too
I'd trade my soul for that ship.:D
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
'Twould need a retexture first methinks KT, as its based off a [V] skin, and therefore, technically, warez. I dunno how picky Maeg is planning to be though.
Oh yeah.. about that. Any takers? ;7
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/gaia.jpg)
one of the best destroyer desing :yes:
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Okay, here's a more informative post regarding my opinions. Now first of all, let me display the Vasudan fighters for a benchmark to my later comments.
(http://members.shaw.ca/pbcbrown/Vasudan-fighters.jpg)
What's to be said about these designs? If I could state out any one commonality between all of these designs, I'd say that they are flat. Flat, flat, flat. They all have low vertical profiles, even the Serapis and the Tauret. Now the Sekhmet, Bakha and the Phat are all a bit higher but they're still pretty flat.
I also want to point out something else. Can anyone find the missile banks on half of those? The only place the missiles are prominent are on the Serapis and the Bakha. The Tauret and the Sekhmet have them too but they don't stand out as much. Now onto the new designs, first with the positives:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/mihos.jpg)
This is by the far the best looking Vasudan out of the entire lot. But it does look a little Shivan. And I don't think that the Sehkmet sets a precedence for Shivan designs as it came from the Hammer of Light. (it looks like the Basilisk btw)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/Anhur.jpg)
This one is kind of interesting, but it looks more Shivan than Vasudan. From here on the ships start to move towards the a kind of "bunch of limbs connected together" look, which frankly I think is more Shivan than Vasudan. Even the advanced Vasudan designs in FS2 look like they're one piece. This ship actually reminds me of the aliens from the movie of the same name. Retexture it with Shivan images and it might be all right.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/Ennead.jpg)
This ship is interesting, but not because it looks Vasudan. It reminds me of Prince Xizor's Virago from Star Wars (see Essential Guide to Vehicles/Vessels). And this is FS2, not star wars.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/aoh.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/shai.jpg)
Both of these designs have several faults:
-prominent missile banks. They look like something out of Battletech: Technical Readout 3067, a book which I own but which contains several mechs I'm not too in love with.
-high vertical profile / no lateral profile. -looks more utilitarian than stylish. They're both main bodies with missile pods attached (utilitarian = Terran trait).
Basically they're both exactly the opposite of every Vasudan fighter/bomber we've ever seen.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/tdd.jpg)
I'm not sure if this is suppose to be Vasudan or Terran. But if you round the main body more, retexture it a bit, I can see it as a passable heavy assault fighter. But certainly not a trend setter.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/yaaru.jpg)
Frankly I'm not sure what the hell this is? Is it a fighter? I guess by that white bit at the part that's the thruster. Again the whole vertical/lateral thing is backwards here. If you moved the thruster to between the main body and the first spiky bit, and then rotate it a bit, throw some guns on that stinger part it might look alright. Might look a bit like the SW Cloud City fighters but only in passing.
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Now for the ships:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/joh.jpg)
A few problems with this:
-first of all, it looks like a limp weiner.
-secondly, the textures do not work. I think its too white, kill the white for another biege or a darker brown. The dark brown that you have there now COMPLETELY clashes with the other two colours.
For a few positives, the aft section looks alright but I think the neck and the forward section need to be reworked. I'd say straighten the neck, and flatten out the forward. Have the forward more like an Aten Cruiser in terms of general dimensions, maybe wide at the back and tapering off towards the front. Some parts of the front could even extend to the same area of the back (not touching, but just around there). If that was done, I think it could look better. I'll do a sketch to show you what I mean.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/duat.jpg)
Again, the colours chosen for the textures, especially the browns, simply do not work. Maybe try adding some more greens tones like we see in the Tauret. As for the design, I don't particularly like it either. I'm not sure what suggestions to give to improve it, but I may come up with some sketches for this one too.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/geb.jpg)
I don't like this design either, but its hard to give some constructive opinions on it. First there are too many bridges, three is too much (are those untextured?). Two, more flat/less round bridges from either side (akin to the Rakshasa's forward area) might be better. I do sort of like the bit just behind the bridges, though the circle on the side could be retextured to a brown or beiege. After that section there are too many bumps, there's like an underlying section which is a wood brown and on top there are two pieces. Well two pieces is too many, if there was just the strip of brown with a one big piece behind it it would look alright. And maybe flare out the back like the Hatesphut (spl?). As for the front, I dunno, The colours all clash, those little bumpy things (turrets?), it looks a bit like some football shoulder pad with metal studs on it. I think it just needs to be rethought from scratch perhaps.
Again, a lot of the ships are moving towards a vertical profile, as opposed to the lateral profile of the Vasudan vessels in both FS games. And I think that has to be kept in mind.
Anyways, hope these comments help and I'll see about doing up some sketches
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Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
Okay, here's a more informative post regarding my opinions. Now first of all, let me display the Vasudan fighters for a benchmark to my later comments.
What's to be said about these designs? If I could state out any one commonality between all of these designs, I'd say that they are flat. Flat, flat, flat. They all have low vertical profiles, even the Serapis and the Tauret. Now the Sekhmet, Bakha and the Phat are all a bit higher but they're still pretty flat.
I also want to point out something else. Can anyone find the missile banks on half of those? The only place the missiles are prominent are on the Serapis and the Bakha. The Tauret and the Sekhmet have them too but they don't stand out as much. Now onto the new designs, first with the positives:
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This is by the far the best looking Vasudan out of the entire lot. But it does look a little Shivan. And I don't think that the Sehkmet sets a precedence for Shivan designs as it came from the Hammer of Light. (it looks like the Basilisk btw)
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This one is kind of interesting, but it looks more Shivan than Vasudan. From here on the ships start to move towards the a kind of "bunch of limbs connected together" look, which frankly I think is more Shivan than Vasudan. Even the advanced Vasudan designs in FS2 look like they're one piece. This ship actually reminds me of the aliens from the movie of the same name. Retexture it with Shivan images and it might be all right.
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This ship is interesting, but not because it looks Vasudan. It reminds me of Prince Xizor's Virago from Star Wars (see Essential Guide to Vehicles/Vessels). And this is FS2, not star wars.
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Both of these designs have several faults:
-prominent missile banks. They look like something out of Battletech: Technical Readout 3067, a book which I own but which contains several mechs I'm not too in love with.
-high vertical profile / no lateral profile. -looks more utilitarian than stylish. They're both main bodies with missile pods attached (utilitarian = Terran trait).
Basically they're both exactly the opposite of every Vasudan fighter/bomber we've ever seen.
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I'm not sure if this is suppose to be Vasudan or Terran. But if you round the main body more, retexture it a bit, I can see it as a passable heavy assault fighter. But certainly not a trend setter.
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Frankly I'm not sure what the hell this is? Is it a fighter? I guess by that white bit at the part that's the thruster. Again the whole vertical/lateral thing is backwards here. If you moved the thruster to between the main body and the first spiky bit, and then rotate it a bit, throw some guns on that stinger part it might look alright. Might look a bit like the SW Cloud City fighters but only in passing.
ok, general comment. first, OTT happened at least 100 years after capella. many reasons for that. one of them being I can get away with standard design and do my own stuff instead. I hate vasudan ships, not coz they look bad or anything, but coz they're difficult to do. In OTT, vasudan tech is based on shivan tech. that's why most vasudan ships in OTT looked a bit shivan. Like it or not. and I like to see weapons points, even if they're barely visible on original vasudan designs. call it artistic license.
1: see above
2: same
3: It is a Volition concept pic, absolutly no change were made. it also was a request, it was integrated into FS2 because I liked the ship. The smoothed version looks much better.
4 and 5: see my comment about OTT happening 100 years later, and the fact I've adapted vasudan designs to my own tastes. I happen to like vertical designs, and nobody can please everyone. Note that both those ships use special weapons anyway, and their look fit with the weapon used.
6: that's a Tau ( terran ) model. It's NOT a ship, it's a defense drone. Tau vessels have few turrets, and all are large ones. They don't have sentry guns too. Those ( pretty small ) drones are here to make up for that lack of defensive armament on capships and around instalations.
7: that ship was a request from Ace for twilight. when it was cancelled, I included it as a bonus ship, unlockable through special objectives or loop missions. something like the artemis DH. It's also a special ship, with a beam turret and a few fun things. by no means a standard vasudan fighter.
as for the capships, well, if I did them that way, it's because I wanted to.
Ok, let me put it simple: I'm DONE with OTT, I'm done with those models, I'm not changing anything ( you think it takes a few hours to make 3 complete fleets? ). If maeglamor wants to reskin them, he can feel free to do so.
Also: as I pointed before, maps on those pics are switched, missing, etc. The capships did not look like that in OTT.
about the geb: what the hell are you calling bridges? there's no visible bridge on any vasudan vessel.
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He means the connecting tubes on the ship. The 3 tubes. I think.
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the only thing that makes any of them not look vasudan is the lightness of the textures and the relitive boxyness of the design, both of wich could be atributed to 110 years of hanging out with the terrans. I like the changes and sugest they be made standard for all (modern) FSU vasudan fighters, further I think that haveing clearly terran or vasudan ships should be scraped, rather I think we should only mention that some ships were designed and/or built by a (predomenantly) terran or vasudan corperation, if the GTVA is still in one pece after this amount of time the fleets should have merged more or less, meaning that all fighters/bombers should be able to acomadate ether terran or vasudan crews, rather than needing to be modifyed.
the three caps ships;
I didn't think the top or bottom ones were done by Venom, there defenantly not his best work, I do very much like the one in the middle, though the back end of it could posably use some work
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ok, general comment. first, OTT happened at least 100 years after capella. many reasons for that. one of them being I can get away with standard design and do my own stuff instead. I hate vasudan ships, not coz they look bad or
anything, but coz they're difficult to do. In OTT, vasudan tech is based on shivan tech. that's why most vasudan ships in OTT looked a bit shivan. Like it or not. and I like to see weapons points, even if they're barely visible on original vasudan designs. call it artistic license.
100 years later? Okay, I assumed that this "upgrade project" is supposed to be like a FS3 using the SCP and happening not too long after Capella. I'd have to look a bit more into it to understand it more fully. I can see Vasudans and Terrans studying Shivan technology but I'm not sure why they'd build their ships in a similar vien shape-wise. Aside from the HoL I don't get the impression that Vasudans like Shivans so why would they build their fighters the same way?
And don't misunderstand me, it's not that I don't like the fighter designs I've commented on, they all look pretty good. It's that I don't think they look Vasudan when compared to what we have in FS1 + 2. If I were to make a campaign with some new race featured within it, then your designs would be a good candidate for that race.
6: that's a Tau ( terran ) model. It's NOT a ship, it's a defense drone. Tau vessels have few turrets, and all are large ones. They don't have sentry guns too. Those ( pretty small ) drones are here to make up for that lack of defensive armament on capships and around instalations.
Tau? You might want to re-consider that name. I can see Games Workshop getting on your case, especially as you're using drones as well. (Tau is some new robot/drone army for the tabletop miniature game Warhammer 40K).
Ok, let me put it simple: I'm DONE with OTT, I'm done with those models, I'm not changing anything ( you think it takes a few hours to make 3 complete fleets? ). If maeglamor wants to reskin them, he can feel free to do so.
Not at all. I've simply seen a few people comment on the pictures posted, and as I've done the same I was then asked to expand upon my rather short post which is basically what all that babbling was about.
about the geb: what the hell are you calling bridges? there's no visible bridge on any vasudan vessel.
The other guy is correct in saying that I mean the "tubes" which connect the two pieces. I was thinking bridges in the verbal sense of bridging two pieces, rather than a Command and Control centre onboard a starship.
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Okay dude, we'll forgive you because you are new. (And to all the other people of whom it applies)
Here's the Deal.
Venom can out-model anyone here's ass off. He once had a might project, called Over The Top. It was set in the future.. freespace's future. He made all completely new ships for each faction, the Terrans, the Vasudans, and the other Terrans.. , and the shivans. The other Terrans were named the Tau Imperium because they were mostly like from the Tau Cygni or Tau Ceti or another sustem named Tau. Tau isn't, nor could be a copywrited name afaik. Now, these models that you see in this thread were Venom's, for use in his campaign, OTT. He decided to kill the project. Everyone Cried. But... but.. when he heard that the FSUpgrade Project was looking for models, Venom did a generous thing, and donated the models to the project, so to not make his time a total waste. The Models were not made with the FSUpgrade in mind. Venom is not going to make any changes to them, nor care if you don't like them. Most likely nobody will care if you don't like them. The only people that will matter in the carring of the Models are the people who end up actually making the project... wether it be a team or the community. In other words, there's no sense in *****ing at the moment, as nobody is really going to do anything and complaining to Venom would, if I were in his shoes, only make me wish I never did it in the first place. Not to mention Venom is well respected around here. So as Venom has said, if something about the models ain't to everyone's liking, ***** to Maeg.
Don't take this the wrong way, just as a status update and reminder.
Oh, we still haven't come up with a plotline or anything for the project yet, so untill one is chosen, our 'fs3' could be in 2600 for all we know. :nod:
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I like the 70 years after Capella time scale, we can have a buch of back story and ****, far enough in the future that you can have all sorts of cool ships but close enough that you might see a few cameos of old ships in the boon docks (probly see a lot of older freighters) and I have about three diferent plot lines that can go into this, though they arn't fully developed.
I should take what I have and PM Maeg
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I like the 70 years after Capella time scale, we can have a buch of back story and ****, far enough in the future that you can have all sorts of cool ships but close enough that you might see a few cameos of old ships in the boon docks (probly see a lot of older freighters) and I have about three diferent plot lines that can go into this, though they arn't fully developed.
I agree completely... the 50-70 year timespan is more than enough for all of the necessary backstory and technological developments.
Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
Tau? You might want to re-consider that name. I can see Games Workshop getting on your case, especially as you're using drones as well. (Tau is some new robot/drone army for the tabletop miniature game Warhammer 40K).
(Sorry, I just had to comment)
Tau is a greek character, and by that very nature cannot be copyrighted to the extent that it prevents a race from being named that. That'd be like saying that no one can use 'T' because of the terminator movies, except in an even more questionable state. As for the ships from OTT, I was never really fond of the NGTA ships with their dark and somewhat bland colors and square windows/cockpits, but the rest I think are top quality. The Vasudan ships especially, they still maintain that organic feel that is nearly impossible to replicate and the lighter textures make them look very stylized. So you don't like them as a personal choice, big deal. I happen to like them, but that's beside the point.
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about the Tau:
I wrote the OTT plot before Games workshop announced the W40k Tau. But when they did, I adapted mine and stole some ideas. So my Tau inherited the defense drones and huge railguns.
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Tau is a greek character, and by that very nature cannot be copyrighted to the extent that it prevents a race from being named that. That'd be like saying that no one can use 'T' because of the terminator movies, except in an even more questionable state.
Well that's good because Games Workshop is the microsoft of the gaming industry and they've screwed enough people over already.
The Vasudan ships especially, they still maintain that organic feel that is nearly impossible to replicate and the lighter textures make them look very stylized. So you don't like them as a personal choice, big deal. I happen to like them, but that's beside the point.
I didn't say that I don't like them, I do like the models but I just don't think they look Vasudan. And that's of course nothing more than a personal opinion. I don't like the ships mind you, but there are a few bits of the ships that i do like.
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Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
Well that's good because Games Workshop is the microsoft of the gaming industry and they've screwed enough people over already.
I still don't see your point. I'm not saying that there aren't a few borrowed traits, but there is no grounds for a legal battle as there was nothing in the name to steal.
Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
I didn't say that I don't like them, I do like the models but I just don't think they look Vasudan. And that's of course nothing more than a personal opinion. I don't like the ships mind you, but there are a few bits of the ships that i do like.
Ok, so... you don't like the models when looking at the ship designs on the whole, I do. Of course, I have done Vasudan meshes before (though they didn't look anything like these) and I know just how hard it is to maintain that "organic" feel. The curves, the shape, it's all very hard to achieve. To me, those are as next-gen Vasudan as they come. Honestly, did the Vasudans maintain a consistant style from FS1 to FS2?
And the textures are stated to be off, they were when the pictures were put up, so disliking the designs on grounds of something that's known to be wrong already seems a little pointless to me. I see those ships with the potential for new/altered skins as well as for their current appearance... think of what could be tweaked without even loading up the model file. The possibilities are very promising.
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The curves, the shape, it's all very hard to achieve. To me, those are as next-gen Vasudan as they come. Honestly, did the Vasudans maintain a consistant style from FS1 to FS2?
If you're asking me if the designs look the same as what we see in FS1 then no, there's obvious been some evolution. But the evolution apparent within the new designs still draws parallels to the previous ones. The only parallel between (most of) Venom's fighters and the FS2 Vasudans is the skin, nothing more. If they had a grey texturing would you assume they were Terran?
Its like I said, all of the fighters are flat in both games. The only exception being the Anubis, but even with the Anubis we can see its evolution in the GVCv Sobek. The Ships have adopted a light yellow/tan colour as opposed to the dark brown/purples of FS1 but if you put a Mentu beside an Aten you can see the similarities.
And the textures are stated to be off, they were when the pictures were put up, so disliking the designs on grounds of something that's known to be wrong already seems a little pointless to me.
If that were the only thing I disliked about the designs I would agree with your sentiment, but as my post made clear the texture is not the only thing I dislike. It is merely one facet.
I see those ships with the potential for new/altered skins as well as for their current appearance... think of what could be tweaked without even loading up the model file. The possibilities are very promising.
Perhaps. But I really couldn't say one way or the other until I saw the finished product. My post isn't meant to discourage anyone, it's great that people are making new ships for the game and that work is still progressing. But that doesn't mean I have to love everything that comes out. Take Derelict for example, I've yet to finish it but I find that the GTFf Saphah is a pretty simple yet cool idea. But for some reason whoever textured it decided to put a face on the front of the ship and I think that looks pretty goofy.
For every ship that comes out, some people will like it, and some people won't. Differing opinions is what keeps life interesting.
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the yellow tone thing is because I wanted to:
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/infv5/techimages/mihosgrid.jpg)
that's the first version of the mihos ( w/o any graphical bug, I assume Woomeister didn't take a shot from modelview ), with standard vasudan maps. I think it looked cool, still I didn't keep it. Why? because I wanted my vasudans to look different. It's a matter of choice.
As you wisely said, different opinions is what makes life interesting. In that matter, my opinion comes first, and obviously many people won't share it. But when I do my own models I am the rule ( always wanted to say that :D ).
That said, I DO think that the version above would probably fit better for the FSUP than the OTT version, coz the FSUP is not OTT. I did OTT solely on my own vision of how the FS2 story would evolve, and there was some dramatic happenings that were supposed to change many things on what is taken as canon and that other people would not want to change for any reason. That's my take, and that's why I didn't apply the OTT plot for the FSUP ( other reason I want OTT dead for good, coz OTT was mainly a story, not new ships ).
To sum up, OTT was MY own vision of the freespace universe future, and I made choices that probably didn't please my old staffers, but I disregarded their comments, and, finally, they were all fine with it.
I never wished to please anybody, I still don't. I know my tastes aren't the regular ones, I know I like odd designs, I know that the twists in OTT plot were sometimes a huge departure from what players were used to see, and I know that they would most likely not like it. But I prefer to stay true to my own vision rather than ( I'm gonna make enmies with that sentence ) following the trends of a universe which by many ways, I find utterly boring.
Anyway, I'm kindda fed up, coz I've been explaining myself a bit too many times in that very single thread, and I wish not go on with it. I'm done with OTT, and I'm also done with those models. They're old and history for me.
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I'm doing my story for 20-30 years afterwards, HG is around 70, and the general average storyline is about 20-50 years after Capella. Many of those models won't work, but no one said we had to take ALL of them, right? ;)
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
I'm doing my story for 20-30 years afterwards, HG is around 70, and the general average storyline is about 20-50 years after Capella. Many of those models won't work, but no one said we had to take ALL of them, right? ;)
[color=66ff00]Of course, actually it's far preferable than attempting to concoct a plot that uses all of them. Basically they are our 'options' which obviously, given the number, gives us a lot of room to maneuver.
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I really hope you use the Raziel and Ezechiel in FSUpgrade. They're too cool to go to waste.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/gtexd.jpg)
;7 :thepimp:
course, it's supposed to be horizontal, not vertical... ;)
Originally posted by Unknown Target
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/raziel.jpg)
That's my favorite fighter. :D
THAT'S the Raziel?!? I thought the Raziel was something else! Huh!
The general design of the ship would be a perfect Shivan ship (of any size - fighter, bomber, capship) if it was pointy and spikey - mainly I say this because of the two arms coming up over the back. :)
Venom.... *takes off hat*
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/joh.jpg)
Penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis...
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Originally posted by Max Sterling
Penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis...
Alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien...
:p
Nah, seriously, I hope yours is noweher near like that, for your sake :p
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You mean its supposed to look like an ALIEN PENIS? Maybe that explains it then.
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Originally posted by Max Sterling
*snip*
Penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis...
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Bah, the Shiamak from Inferno is far more penile.
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/benkei.jpg)
Now THIS is great!(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/maeglamor/OTT/ezechiel.jpg)
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Gotta love the Ezechiel.:yes:
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The Benkai would rock if it had a better texture job. I'm not bashing the job on it, it looks ok, a bit pixelated, but ok. Alas, it'd be even better with big, grey, Old skewl Terran Textures on it.
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yeah, but please note that for some reason there's no texture smoothing on that pic.
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At least he has veritity.
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Originally posted by Venom
yeah, but please note that for some reason there's no texture smoothing on that pic.
That's what you get for letting other people take the screenies...
I think I saw it on your main site, and yes, it looks sweet. :) Can't wait to play with it. :)
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Originally posted by BlazeME
At least he has veritity.
:wtf:
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variety.
Not that hard, even for you. :p
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
variety.
Not that hard, even for you. :p
:drevil:
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Okay, enough drooling over the OTT ships already. :p Here's the question that's been bugging me for the past few days:
Has anyone made any attempt whatsoever to model any of the designs in the concept art thread?
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Originally posted by JC Denton
Has anyone made any attempt whatsoever to model any of the designs in the concept art thread?
Yes. I'll post some later. Most of the Shivans are in Inferno.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
:wtf: ewwww....
Ditto :D