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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on September 01, 2003, 04:32:46 am
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Lookie at this (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20030828/ts_nm/mideast_dc) article. See the first picture, the one oriented vertically - with all the "tanks"? Click on it, you get this (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030828/161/53pg2.html).
First off, there is not a single tank in that picture. The heaviest weapons any of those vehicles carry is perhaps a 0.5" Browning (the kind I was carrying in my Serious Sandwich pic - click on my avatar's pic for it), and that can only be mounted on the M113 APC towards the top of the picture. But not even that one has a 0.5" - it carries the number 9, which is the IDF number assigned to the support/mechanics units. They have a bunch of engine grease, oil, spare tread tracks, and stuff like that in there, but they're pretty light on the weapons.
So, above the APC we have an "Achzarit" (feminine form of the word "Meany", actually), which is the retarded ancestor of the "tanks" in the rest of the picture - a tank hull with the turret removed and some personnel hatches installed. Achzariot (plural) were used by infantry brigades (primarily Golani, if that tells you anything) to protect them in Southern Lebanon, and are now serving the same purpose in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.
Above that we have what looks to be either a couple of supply trucks or a big D9 armored dozer - it's hard to tell.
Below the APC is a company's worth of Pumas (the initials in Hebrew stand for Engineering Barricade Breaker). These also are turretless tanks, and are used both to protect the combat engineers (*waves proudly*) and to carry their various equpiment (mines, exposives, ladders, anti-minefield stuff, anti-tank-ditch stuff, etc).
Now, look at the prominient Puma - the one with "1v" painted on the side armor. See how the armor plates have black (ok, they used to be black... :p) rubber skirts on the bottom edge? See how the edges of the rubber skirt are msimatched? :D :lol:
Those four front armor plates are reactive armor - packed with explosives that, when hit by an armor-piercing round, explode outwards, dispersing the focused molten "spear" of metal that would have penetrated regular armor.
They're as heavy as heck - I'd guess about 100 kilos apiece, and a real pain to take off and put on again. So I'll bet that they had the plates on incorrectly when they painted the unit designations, and just decided to leave them as-is. :p
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you scare me...
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ok, all that is nice and all, but... yeah?
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It does worry me that you find the situation so amusing, Sarnie. I mean, yeah, tanks are cool, but not when they're sat on my doorstep to protect me from the guys in the next town.
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err.. nice tanks sandy
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Why not just put j/k in your signature, it'd save you typing it everytime [/*****]
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:wtf:
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You asked for it:
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/diamondgeezer/images/wtf.gif)
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(http://www.gizmology.net/images/tank11.jpg)
MUHAHAHAHA! ;7 :D :p :drevil:
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:lol:
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that's good and all Sandy, but why do you need a tank.. when i so graciously gave you this? (http://users.bigpond.net.au/turnsky/images/army2.jpg) ;)
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I think I get his point. However, the casual observer ain't gonna see all that detail sand-man, they'll just see armoured vehicles with troops in 'em. Ignorance is the most common form of intelligence.
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Originally posted by Charlotte
(http://www.gizmology.net/images/tank11.jpg)
MUHAHAHAHA! ;7 :D :p :drevil:
hehehe. That's the latest, most advanced french tank, don't mock it :p
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I think all journalists are taught at some point that if it's tracked, it's a tank - even if it's got no guns and a big crane mounted on it instead of a turret ;)
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:lol: at the entire thread
:lol::lol::lol::lol: at Venom's post
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that's awesome that you can look at that and figure out all the details of everything. it's really awesome. i look at them and i see "BIG MACHINES"... wow
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Originally posted by Sandwich
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Originally posted by Turnsky
you scare me...
You scare us[/b].
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Originally posted by Stealth
that's awesome that you can look at that and figure out all the details of everything. it's really awesome. i look at them and i see "BIG MACHINES"... wow
A tank could probably drive right through one of those things and emerge almost unscathed.
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Originally posted by Venom
hehehe. That's the latest, most advanced french tank, don't mock it :p
Bah, a soldier with an M-16 could destroy that thing.
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I think Sandwich is pointing out that you cannot believe everything said in the media at face value (and you can't).
Those "tanks" set to invade are support units only with as he stated...the heaviest carrying a .50 cal machine gun. A devastating weapon to be sure, but not a major weapon when you consider that the M1 Abrams carries around a 120mm smooth bore cannon, a substantially larger and more devastating weapon. The .50cal should be considered a defensive weapon...
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Bah, a soldier with an M-16 could destroy that thing.
That's the point :lol:
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(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Gloriano/011024_01.jpg)
say hey to Tank killer;) :drevil:
and sorry about posting this baby here but i needed
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Tanks, but no tanks.
Let me give you a big ole OOOO-RAH! for that masterful investigation. The media never gets details right. They can usually get the jist of the story, but you cant get nitty-gritty with those people
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I'd care what exactly the things were classified as, but that's beyond my capacity to suspend apathy.
On another note, that is the friggin' scariest-looking bulldozer I've ever seen. AND I want to see technical specs on that donkey cart- are the Palestinians assembling a mechanized army?
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
AND I want to see technical specs on that donkey cart- are the Palestinians assembling a mechanized army?
:lol:
Makes you wonder where the donkey hides its WMD. :nervous:
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
A tank could probably drive right through one of those things and emerge almost unscathed.
You've got to be kidding, right? Those are tank hulls, with full armor and everything - except the main turret and gun. A tank could no more drive through them than you could simply walk through the Great Wall of China without a doorway. :rolleyes:
Tell me you were kidding and I missed the saracasm tag... again. :doubt:
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Bah, a soldier with an M-16 could destroy that thing.
give me a baseball bate and I can too :p
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Originally posted by Sandwich
You've got to be kidding, right? Those are tank hulls, with full armor and everything - except the main turret and gun. A tank could no more drive through them than you could simply walk through the Great Wall of China without a doorway. :rolleyes:
Tell me you were kidding and I missed the saracasm tag... again. :doubt:
Tank hulls? I thought they were lightly armored transports or personnel carriers, not tanks with their weapons removed.
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he said it at the beggining of the thread...
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Woolie, what did we say about making half-cocked hyperbolic statements without actually knowing what we're talking about again?
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Tank hulls? I thought they were lightly armored transports or personnel carriers, not tanks with their weapons removed.
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Sandwich
So, above the APC we have an "Achzarit"... which is the retarded ancestor of the "tanks" in the rest of the picture - a tank hull with the turret removed and some personnel hatches installed ... Below the APC is a company's worth of Pumas.... These also are turretless tanks...
You know, if I had a penny for every post of mine that consisted of nothing more than a quote of someone's post, a :rolleyes: smiley, and a quote of a post I already made earlier on, why - I'd be a rich man!
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Well, considering you only have 6200ish posts, even if you got a penny for all of them, that's only 6200ish cents. Not a particularly amazing sum. :p
;) :ha:
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It's enough to pre-order Halo and stop at 7-11 on the way home. ;)
You better get me a slurpy while you're there.