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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Agent on September 12, 2003, 02:47:46 pm

Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Agent on September 12, 2003, 02:47:46 pm
MICROSOFT ( yes you heard it) has planted a little of spyware crap into the Windows Media Player 9. I just ran Ad Aware 6 with latest updates and discovered that. The bastereds really made me mad there.:mad: Fortunatelly, I was able to remove that registry ket thanks to AA 6 and it doesn't do any harm to Media Player. I strongly recommend that you all do this if you have Media Player 9.
What you need:
- Ad Aware 6. get the latest version from download.com and make sure you got the latest build.
- Latest Ad Aware updates (use web update in the program)
- Scan your computer (make sure you do the thorough scan)
- Remove the crap

Best regards, Agent
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Woolie Wool on September 12, 2003, 03:48:34 pm
That's nothing. XP service pack 3 allows Microsoft to take a peek into your computer if they feel like it, or something like that.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: JC Denton on September 12, 2003, 03:55:20 pm
Besides, smart(er) people don't use WMP anyways :P  Me for example: I use VirtualDub for most video playback, and what doesn't work in it, Winamp's video playback feature covers (which, I've found, is more stable in 2.93 than in 3.* :wtf: ).

And of course, you can always use the old version of WMP (version 6.*) by going to Start->Run->mplayer2.exe :D
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: SKYNET-011 on September 12, 2003, 05:20:42 pm
Checked it.

Ad-Aware kicks spyware arse:yes:
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 12, 2003, 05:22:37 pm
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
That's nothing. XP service pack 3 allows Microsoft to take a peek into your computer if they feel like it, or something like that.
Uh.... You know we're on SP1 still, right?
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Agent on September 13, 2003, 04:45:14 am
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Originally posted by SKYNET-011
Checked it.

Ad-Aware kicks spyware arse:yes:

:D :nod:
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Turnsky on September 13, 2003, 05:03:41 am
heh.. zone alarm is my friend..;)
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: diamondgeezer on September 13, 2003, 05:20:19 am
Right, two questions - where the hell are you getting XP SP3 from, and where the hell are you getting Winamp 2.93 from?
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Admiral LSD on September 13, 2003, 05:43:37 am
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
That's nothing. XP service pack 3 allows Microsoft to take a peek into your computer if they feel like it, or something like that.


MS have the right to do anything they want, it is their software after all, just because you paid for it doesn't mean you own it. That goes for all of their software, not just Windows XP. You know that block of text near the beginning of ever MS (and others) installation routines that you usially just click "Next" on without even reading? The one that say "End User Licence Agreement"? That's where you give them the right.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Tiara on September 13, 2003, 05:48:08 am
But XP came pre-installed with my comp so I didn't give them the right to peek into my computer. I also never got any license agreement either :p
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Admiral LSD on September 13, 2003, 05:52:31 am
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Originally posted by Tiara
But XP came pre-installed with my comp so I didn't give them the right to peek into my computer. I also never got any license agreement either :p


If you don't agree to the EULA then you're not legally allowed to use the software. If you're using the software you're assumed to be in agreement with all the terms of the EULA.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Tiara on September 13, 2003, 06:00:34 am
Its not my fault the store I bought it at didn't make me sign anything or tell me anything about it. If MS wants to sue me, I lay the blame at the company I bought it :) Its their responsibility to tell me as they sell it to me and they installed without consulting me about the EULA.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: kasperl on September 13, 2003, 06:50:10 am
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Originally posted by Tiara
Its not my fault the store I bought it at didn't make me sign anything or tell me anything about it. If MS wants to sue me, I lay the blame at the company I bought it :) Its their responsibility to tell me as they sell it to me and they installed without consulting me about the EULA.

i need to remember that one.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: kasperl on September 13, 2003, 06:51:08 am
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Right, two questions - where the hell are you getting XP SP3 from, and where the hell are you getting Winamp 2.93 from?


1) dunno, since it i don;t use XP
2) dunno, there at 2.91 according to the site.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Admiral LSD on September 13, 2003, 07:49:25 am
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Originally posted by kasperl

i need to remember that one.


Too bad it probably won't fly. Ignorance of the terms of a legally binding contract is no excuse. When Tiara took ownership of the computer and started using the software she is believed to be in full agreement with the terms of the EULA whether she read it or not.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Solatar on September 13, 2003, 08:20:26 am
I didn't think it mattered as SP3 doesn't exist yet..
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Unknown Target on September 13, 2003, 09:35:49 am
How can you check what version of WindowXP you have/remove any of the service packs? I want to get rid of SP3, but I'm npt sure if I have it.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Admiral LSD on September 13, 2003, 09:46:09 am
The current Service Pack level for NT/2k/XP is displayed in the System Properties window, right click My Computer and select Properties to see it. It's usually possible to remove a Service Pack by going into Add/Remove Programs and looking for it in the list. The exception is when a give SP is "slipstreamed" onto the CD, updating the files on the install CD itself so the SP get installed with the OS and you don't have to install it afterward. The only way to go back to a previous SP in this circumstance is to find the original CD on which the slipstreamed copy is based (assuming you have one. If you don't you're SOL). But at any rate, XP SP3 doesn't exist yet, SP2's only supposed to be released sometime early next year.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: diamondgeezer on September 13, 2003, 07:22:17 pm
I don't even have SP1, since my XP Pro is COMPLETELY LEGAL and NOT IN ANY WAY WAY A RIPOFF COPY FROM A FRIEND'S HARD DRIVE







;7
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Flipside on September 13, 2003, 07:27:55 pm
LOL

My concern is that a Service Pack is supposed to bring XP up to date etc. It doesn't say much for Microsoft that they haven't even released one batch of repairs and they are planning ahead to the next batch!

Flipside :D
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Ace on September 13, 2003, 08:31:57 pm
That's why I use XMplay instead of Media Player. :)
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Anaz on September 13, 2003, 08:37:10 pm
also the latest version of msn messanger plus has lop.com stuff packaged with it. It hijacks your browser. I just got through slogging through the registry and the like trying to kill it. If you did get it, a google search will reveal many peeps who have the same problem, and that's how I fixed mine.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Kamikaze on September 13, 2003, 08:49:36 pm
Sorry, I can't resist the urge. This is why I use linux. :D
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Taristin on September 13, 2003, 09:11:24 pm
's why I use Trillian.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Admiral LSD on September 13, 2003, 11:15:49 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I don't even have SP1, since my XP Pro is COMPLETELY LEGAL and NOT IN ANY WAY WAY A RIPOFF COPY FROM A FRIEND'S HARD DRIVE







;7


My copy of XP is "COMPLETELY LEGAL" too, and I not only have SP1 but all the updates released since then on not one, but three machines running it ;)

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Originally posted by Anaz
also the latest version of msn messanger plus has lop.com stuff packaged with it. It hijacks your browser. I just got through slogging through the registry and the like trying to kill it. If you did get it, a google search will reveal many peeps who have the same problem, and that's how I fixed mine.


As in MSN 6.0? Dunno where you got your copy from but I installed MSN6 on my system a while back and saw no trace of lop.com, or anything else for that matter.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: kasperl on September 14, 2003, 02:42:09 am
MSN plus! has a sponsor package, if you read on install, you can disable it with one click.

un-install, re-install, and read.

otherwise, check the msn plus forums, there are lot's of helpfull people there.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: diamondgeezer on September 14, 2003, 07:15:39 am
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
My copy of XP is "COMPLETELY LEGAL" too, and I not only have SP1 but all the updates released since then on not one, but three machines running it ;)

You've installed the same copy across three machines? :eek::eek::eek:

That's illegal! Quick, uninstall two of them! Frankly, I'm shocked at your behaviour.

Anyway, I can get all the updates apart from SP1. When I try to install that, it says that my serial number is COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE and won't let me run it...
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Admiral LSD on September 14, 2003, 07:29:21 am
Then change it ;)

edit: MS even show you how on their site :p

Here it is:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;328874
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: diamondgeezer on September 14, 2003, 09:52:25 am
OK, so where's the method for lazy people?
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Admiral LSD on September 14, 2003, 09:43:50 pm
Using msoobe.exe requires less mouse clicks and keystrokes than you used to make that post you can't be that lazy ;)
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: JC Denton on September 14, 2003, 09:57:32 pm
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Originally posted by kasperl


1) dunno, since it i don;t use XP
2) dunno, there at 2.91 according to the site.


Blasted typos. :P  I meant 2.91 in my post, but somehow when I wrote it that's not what came out. :o
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Woolie Wool on September 15, 2003, 12:58:31 am
I've always been a detractor of big government (someone REALLY needs to clean up the goddamned US tax code!), but I think a law should be passed giving the user, not the distributor, ownership of that particular copy of the software.  You should be able to install it on any number of computers, as long as they're your computers and you're not distributing it to anyone else.

Then again, that's all a bunch of wishful thinking. Ever wonder where candidates for Congress and the presidency get all that money for their campaigns?;7:p
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Admiral LSD on September 15, 2003, 01:15:01 am
No, it should continue to be left up to the developer as to how their software gets licenced and package. If they choose to use an restrictive EULA (and you choose to agree to such terms), that is their right. There are licences, such as the GPL and BSD Licences, that offer the kind of freedoms you're suggesting but no developer should be forced into releasing their software under them.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Fineus on September 15, 2003, 03:29:18 am
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Originally posted by Anaz
also the latest version of msn messanger plus has lop.com stuff packaged with it. It hijacks your browser. I just got through slogging through the registry and the like trying to kill it. If you did get it, a google search will reveal many peeps who have the same problem, and that's how I fixed mine.

I got hit by that as well, didn't read the damn thing when I was clicking the proceed buttons... heh, what a mistake that was. Although I did finally manage to rip it out by its heart by uninstalling MSN Plus, running ADAWARE about 5 times and generally purging things.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: Agent on September 15, 2003, 04:07:16 am
OK So can we summ things up?
Is it smart to install MSN messenger and Service pack 1 or not?
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: vyper on September 15, 2003, 04:11:30 am
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
's why I use Trillian.


It ain't going to be much use very soon. MSN are blocking all but licensed access to thier im networks.
Title: Important Spyware Warning
Post by: diamondgeezer on September 15, 2003, 04:23:08 am
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
you can't be that lazy ;)

Oh you'd be suprised