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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Starfury on February 06, 2002, 09:47:00 pm

Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 06, 2002, 09:47:00 pm
It's kind of a cross between something in the DVD Menu of "The World is Not Enough"  and my trying to imagine things anime style.  Again, sorry for those who can't view the image.

 (http://www.angelfire.com/games3/xssquad/knossos.jpg)  

or click here (//"http://www.angelfire.com/games3/xssquad/knossos.jpg")
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: mikhael on February 06, 2002, 10:32:00 pm
You got the anime styling down right. How big is it? I assume those plates rotate madly around it?

Its gorgeous.


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ruhkferret on ICQ/AIM

"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: vadar_1 on February 06, 2002, 10:38:00 pm
Looks like its floating in lava... in the middle of a volcano
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: ZylonBane on February 06, 2002, 10:40:00 pm
Looks like the Angelfire logo. And yes, I copied the link into a fresh browser session.
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Sesquipedalian on February 06, 2002, 10:49:00 pm
Looks good (though I wonder what prevents those plates from simply spinning off into the void).  When are you going to release it?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: mikhael on February 06, 2002, 11:12:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian:
Looks good (though I wonder what prevents those plates from simply spinning off into the void).  When are you going to release it?   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

The same thing that kept the Knossos from slowly drifting apart in eight component pieces. PFM.

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--Mik
http://www.404error.com
ruhkferret on ICQ/AIM

"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: untouchable on February 06, 2002, 11:25:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by ZylonBane:
Looks like the Angelfire logo. And yes, I copied the link into a fresh browser session.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 06, 2002, 11:35:00 pm
eh, The outer ring (the plates) and the inner ring will spin in opposite directions, like the Knossos.  Not sure when I'm gonna release it.  I gotta redo parts of it.  But once that's done, soon as I learn how to pof edit, I'll release it.

[edit] And I have to figure out how to make the sub-objects right.  (I know, there's a turret tutorial that partially explains it, but I'm screwin' it up somehow)

[This message has been edited by Starfury (edited 02-06-2002).]
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: WMCoolmon on February 06, 2002, 11:44:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian:
Looks good (though I wonder what prevents those plates from simply spinning off into the void).
Answer: "...and they hurled themselves into the void with no fear."  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Pretty good, what's the poly count?
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 06, 2002, 11:47:00 pm
1613, according to ModelView, but there's a few that have to come out... if I can figure out how to delete things in TS  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: DTP on February 07, 2002, 12:12:00 am
 
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Originally posted by Starfury:
1613, according to ModelView, but there's a few that have to come out... if I can figure out how to delete things in TS   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)

click point edit faces and keep the buttpn pressed. move the mouse up til it says point edit faces again. now mark the poly you want to erase. click point edit faces again and select delete face. or simply press delete

If it is a object you want to erase the simply pres delete when you have the base object selected.
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 07, 2002, 12:15:00 am
ty  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Sesquipedalian on February 07, 2002, 01:15:00 am
 
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Originally posted by mikhael:
The same thing that kept the Knossos from slowly drifting apart in eight component pieces. PFM.


You make an excellent point.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: HotSnoJ on February 07, 2002, 02:29:00 am
Man didn't you know that Angelfire doesn't like you to put the pics you uploaded on to their comps to be image tagged to other sites! They'll close your account, they've done it to me for that.

Get a new host here ("http://www.0catch.com"). They don't care about the image tagging.
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Wildlife on February 07, 2002, 12:01:00 pm
yeh, i cant see it i just get that damn angelfire logo and i've copied - paste  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starwing on February 07, 2002, 12:08:00 pm
Try "refresh". The Angelfire image is probably in your browser cache.
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Su-tehp on February 07, 2002, 07:35:00 pm
I STILL can't see the image...  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: HotSnoJ on February 07, 2002, 07:37:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by hotsnoj:
Man didn't you know that Angelfire doesn't like you to put the pics you uploaded on to their comps to be image tagged to other sites! They'll close your account, they've done it to me for that.

Get a new host here ("http://www.0catch.com"). They don't care about the image tagging.

READ THE ABOVE
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 07, 2002, 08:35:00 pm
If I ever get the website up for my campaign, I'll host there.  1 question though:  

When I made this, I did it in Blender.  The three rings are separate models, and I can't quit figure out how to make the outer ring and the inner one submodels.  I've tried the turreting tutorial, but, unless I'm doing something wrong, it's not quite coming out right.  

[edit] Nevermind, got it.  

[This message has been edited by Starfury (edited 02-07-2002).]
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 07, 2002, 10:44:00 pm
ARGH!!!! I can't get it to run in the game!  Is it because I'm just replacing the POF for the knossos as the POF for the Terran one?  Because everytime I try to use it, FRED2 craps out.   Please help!
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: HotSnoJ on February 08, 2002, 03:42:00 am
I'm no expert on FS2(cuz I don't have it) but the reason FRED2 is "crapping" out is because you have too many faces,polygons, and/or vertices on you ship. Here's a saying I thought up last nite, "The bigger ya make em' the lesser ya can detail em".
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Nico on February 08, 2002, 05:16:00 am
my bet is that you have too many polys per subobject
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Nico on February 08, 2002, 05:17:00 am
anyway, I can't see the pic  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
even copy/paste won't work this time  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: HotSnoJ on February 08, 2002, 07:20:00 am
Just saw it, but I don't get it!
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 08, 2002, 11:29:00 am
eh, I got it working  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)  Didn't have to delete any faces or reduce the detail.  FS2 just doesn't like something about Cob2Pof, but it can handle Kazan's converter.
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Sesquipedalian on February 08, 2002, 11:43:00 pm
So again I ask, are you gonna release it soon, Starfury?  Are ya, huh?  Please a la prettiness and cherry topping?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 09, 2002, 12:31:00 am
lol I could release it right now, if I wanted... but it wouldn' be compatible with any other mod... I just got it in the game today  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Sesquipedalian on February 09, 2002, 12:48:00 am
What do you mean by incompatible?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif) Does it not just need its own table entry yet?  If you got it in the game then what else oculd be left to do?
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 09, 2002, 01:57:00 am
Nothing    (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)  (I think)

  (http://www.angelfire.com/games3/xssquad/tknossos.gif)    

^^ What it looks like in the game (I retextured it)

[This message has been edited by Starfury (edited 02-08-2002).]

[This message has been edited by Starfury (edited 02-09-2002).]
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Reaper on February 09, 2002, 05:34:00 am
It's soooooo good, but i hate those plates araund em.  Only inner circles would be cool. And you can add some turrets on it if you know how =)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Sesquipedalian on February 09, 2002, 05:53:00 pm
It is a jump gate, it isn't supposed to have turrets.
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Wildlife on February 09, 2002, 06:56:00 pm
I really wanna see it, but i still get that angelfire logo  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 09, 2002, 08:48:00 pm
Ok, for those of us who are interested, I've just sent the ZIP file to HLP to be added to the mods section.  In the mean time, anybody who wants it before then, I can ICQ it to, I guess.   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: mikhael on February 09, 2002, 08:59:00 pm
Excellent work. I'd only make one change, make the outermost ring of plates (the smallest ones) rotate in the opposite direction. Right now, they are padlocked to the ring farther in, and move at exactly in the same direction at the same speed. If the outer ring was moving in the opposite direction, the eye wouldn't notice the correlation and it would look more convincing.

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--Mik
http://www.404error.com
ruhkferret on ICQ/AIM

"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: an0n on February 09, 2002, 09:12:00 pm
 (http://www.fattonys.com/images/knossos.jpg)

 (http://www.fattonys.com/images/tknossos.gif)

Take THAT, Angelfire.

Get a friggin better friggin frelling host.
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: an0n on February 09, 2002, 09:14:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Wildlife:
I really wanna see it, but i still get that angelfire logo   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)

Happy?
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: TheVirtu on February 09, 2002, 10:04:00 pm
*drools at the subspace effect*

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Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Galemp on February 09, 2002, 10:20:00 pm
Okay, the first one is sinking in lava. But the second one... the animation... it's... ewww, I have a sick mind.

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Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 09, 2002, 10:40:00 pm
ty an0n   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)  

mikhael: The outer ring rotates clockwise, the middle ring doesn't move, and the inner ring rotates counter-clockwise   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

[This message has been edited by Starfury (edited 02-09-2002).]
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: mikhael on February 09, 2002, 10:59:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Starfury:
mikhael: The outer ring rotates clockwise, the middle ring doesn't move, and the inner ring rotates counter-clockwise    (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
I see four rings. The two outer ones rotate clockwise to with respect to the Hades, the centermost ring rotates counterclockwise and the second ring from the center stays in one place. I was suggesting that the outter most of the clockwise rotating rings actually be a seperate rotating subobject, going in the opposite direction of the next ring in.



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--Mik
http://www.404error.com
ruhkferret on ICQ/AIM

"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: an0n on February 09, 2002, 11:22:00 pm
  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif)

The outer one goes clock, the inner one goes anti and the middle one just shakes coz of the crapness of whatever program was used to make the gif.

[This message has been edited by an0n (edited 02-09-2002).]
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: mikhael on February 09, 2002, 11:38:00 pm
 
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The outer one goes clock
Yes. It is two rings though: an outer one and an inner one. The outer one is small plates, the inner one is longer plates.

 
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the inner one goes anti and the middle one just shakes
Agreed.

I hope this sufficiently explains what I mean by four rings. If not, then I'll have to draw a picture, and I'm too bloody lazy.

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--Mik
http://www.404error.com
ruhkferret on ICQ/AIM

"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 09, 2002, 11:53:00 pm
lol I see what you mean now.  Maybe in a later version  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: vadar_1 on February 10, 2002, 01:28:00 am
*wonders how you got special warp to work for entering subspace*
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 10, 2002, 01:35:00 am
the flag "knossos"  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Reaper on February 10, 2002, 03:19:00 am
Its sooo cool. Try to add some turrets on ring that doesn't move
Title: MY idea for a Terran Knossos
Post by: Starfury on February 10, 2002, 01:16:00 pm
eh, I might if I decide it's needed to balance it.   But there's going to need to be an Arcadia near it for control purposes.  And I suppose I'll have to add a dock point to it in the future.  And make a still one.  Oy, so much to do. lol  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)