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Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 11, 2003, 11:10:06 am: All DOTA civy stuff will soon be public and put for download.

The Civilian Station (still unnamed) will be the first and the Majestic megaliner.
We allso have other liners, freighters and security forces...alltough they're still not done, but as soon as they are they'll be put for download
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: FreeTerran on October 11, 2003, 11:25:35 am: Yep right i hope you like all the stuff, and we need an host with forum for our projekt anyone with ideas ? :nervous:
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Setekh on October 11, 2003, 11:27:07 am: Well, uhhh, HLP won't be offering that kind of hosting for a while, methinks - you could head for NW (http://www.nodewar.com). :)
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Knight Templar on October 11, 2003, 12:59:48 pm: Err.. Cool. :yes:

And Setekh, really, I know we're all supposed to be anti-new / not-as-cool-as-other-projects people, but why can't we just host forums here, as opposed to full hosting?
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: FreeTerran on October 11, 2003, 02:06:09 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
And Setekh, really, I know we're all supposed to be anti-new / not-as-cool-as-other-projects people, but why can't we just host forums here, as opposed to full hosting?

yep right i have enough webspace but not an forum and DOTA is big and this is sh*t to talk with all staffers over mail or IM the best will be an forum here with internal ;7
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 11, 2003, 04:53:03 pm: 1. We're not a "new" mod...we've been around for a Year or so... We have tried to get hosted before but something allways came up and we were told to wait a bit.... then to wait a bit more...and now this....ugh...

2. Whitelight, how's it going with the station? Send it to me as soon as you're finished!

3. Here are pics of the two civy things I'm making right now. Suggestions are welcomed!

* the medium Liner:

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/LinerM2.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/LinerM3.JPG)

*and the Security fighter:
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/SecFighter.JPG)

EDIT: PICS UPDATED!
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Unknown Target on October 11, 2003, 05:00:00 pm: Too boxy. Slant some sides and stuff, make it more "flowing"
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 11, 2003, 05:13:13 pm: I just begun to work on them 1 hour ago!
Didn't you notice the polycount? I was more refering to the design.

I wanted the medium liner to look a bit like todays modern superliners.
The Security Fighter is supposed to be a civy perseus derivate.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Knight Templar on October 11, 2003, 05:39:40 pm: Well the design of the liner looks a lot like a... liner.. ala water. Don't know if that's what you want..

And by new, you guys are new compared to other campaigns that are already hosted (or not hosted) here.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Unknown Target on October 11, 2003, 05:43:06 pm: The liner looks too....watery. Make the bottom a different shape than current ocean lineres, like add engine pylons, etc.

And remember, we have T&L now!!!
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Setekh on October 11, 2003, 08:08:46 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TrashMan
1. We're not a "new" mod...we've been around for a Year or so... We have tried to get hosted before but something allways came up and we were told to wait a bit.... then to wait a bit more...and now this....ugh...

With all due respect, I empathise with your present troubles, but as I've said before: virtually regardless of what has come before when I was absent, this is the way things will run in the future. Realise that things must not only be done according to the rules, but they must be seen as done according to the rules - having a new hosted project such as yours, an incomplete campaign (longstanding as it is), would be a bit of a shock to anyone who has read and understands our hosting policy. Even if that is unimportant - for what reason do you need a forum? Really, I would prefer that you diverted all your attention to the completion of the campaign itself than to posting in your new forum.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Knight Templar on October 11, 2003, 08:51:00 pm: I hate to nitpick against you Setekh, but uh, with what your saying, why does any campaign have a forum?

Of course, I know the answer to that, so I'll answer it. Forums let you publicise and generally communitize your campaign. They also provide a spot, as FT said, for discussing stuff that would otherwise be a hassle to discuss over IM or email with a staff.

That having been said, as I've stated before, most campaigns can do fine with their own webhosting, what with swooh, VW, F2S, and whatever else being offered, but it's the forums that really 'communitize' the campaign.

I totally agree with not hosting other campaigns. HLP is simply too big. That's fine. But what's wrong with hosting new forums to include other projects in the community? AFAIk they don't take up that much space.

Is there something we're missing here?
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: FreeTerran on October 12, 2003, 03:08:52 am: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh

With all due respect, I empathise with your present troubles, but as I've said before: virtually regardless of what has come before when I was absent, this is the way things will run in the future. Realise that things must not only be done according to the rules, but they must be seen as done according to the rules - having a new hosted project such as yours, an incomplete campaign (longstanding as it is), would be a bit of a shock to anyone who has read and understands our hosting policy. Even if that is unimportant - for what reason do you need a forum? Really, I would prefer that you diverted all your attention to the completion of the campaign itself than to posting in your new forum.

Dude we need an internal forum to discuss the stuff what everyone in the staff do and other problems :sigh:

EDIT: Don't forgot what the admins have told us we will get hosted after the new website is done and now ? they came with an f*cking hosting police :mad:
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: kasperl on October 12, 2003, 03:09:53 am: the fact that each new camp drains the modder pool more and more.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Nico on October 12, 2003, 03:34:45 am: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
I hate to nitpick against you Setekh, but uh, with what your saying, why does any campaign have a forum?

Of course, I know the answer to that, so I'll answer it. Forums let you publicise and generally communitize your campaign. They also provide a spot, as FT said, for discussing stuff that would otherwise be a hassle to discuss over IM or email with a staff.

That having been said, as I've stated before, most campaigns can do fine with their own webhosting, what with swooh, VW, F2S, and whatever else being offered, but it's the forums that really 'communitize' the campaign.

I totally agree with not hosting other campaigns. HLP is simply too big. That's fine. But what's wrong with hosting new forums to include other projects in the community? AFAIk they don't take up that much space.

Is there something we're missing here?

yes: that they've decided already and you're wasting their time by arguing whenever it is possible about something that won't change :doubt:
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: karajorma on October 12, 2003, 03:46:21 am: Quote
Originally posted by FreeTerran
Dude we need an internal forum to discuss the stuff what everyone in the staff do and other problems :sigh:

So go to EZ Board (http://www.ezboard.com) and get one! I know that it's nowhere near as good as VBulletin but it's free and it does what you need it to do.

MG spent about 6 months or so using that system for communication. Sure we were happy to be hosted here but if we'd been rejected we could have carried on with that.

BTW has anyone here tried getting hosted on FreespaceWatch instead?
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Whitelight on October 12, 2003, 04:10:02 am: Oops, didn`t see this new thread untill now.. :nervous:

Trashman, I recieved your e-mail for the civiy station, but the pof wasen`t there, if its not to much trouble could you send it again..

Oh and i`ll need a few textures that I don`t have for the GalaxyCarrier listed below.

Behemoth0.pcx
gtshiplightsinvert.pcx

I replaced these textures so I could render the model in Fred2, and for some reason it removed all path data from the turrets and subsystems.. :confused:
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: FreeTerran on October 12, 2003, 04:26:57 am: Quote
Originally posted by karajorma
BTW has anyone here tried getting hosted on FreespaceWatch instead?

Hey cool idea do you know to which guy i must talk ?
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Tolwyn on October 12, 2003, 04:39:32 am: Quote
Originally posted by FreeTerran

Hey cool idea do you know to which guy i must talk ?

as far as I recall, there is a link on their website 'get hosted'
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: FreeTerran on October 12, 2003, 04:52:09 am: right i found it thanks
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 12, 2003, 06:43:43 am: SEKETH:
I understand - you said you won't host other projects and you can't make an exception out of DOTA or it will seem like you don't follow your own rules....:D

And both me and FT are helping out other projects so they'll be done sooner. I have only two mod avatars, but I'm actually working on 5-6 projects...so there!

WHITELIGHT:
I'm trying to send you the stuff....swooh and hotmail have been acting strange lately...
I've been trying to upload updated pics on these models for 15 minutes now....DAAARN...It just won't go!!!!
No..won't go....Looks like the civy staton andthe updated pics will have to wait a little!

O.k. - I got my old connection back! files sent, pics updated!:D
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: kasperl on October 12, 2003, 08:29:47 am: if VW doesn;t wnat to host, go over to NW, and beg for hosting at an0n.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Knight Templar on October 12, 2003, 11:45:41 am: Quote
Originally posted by Venom

yes: that they've decided already and you're wasting their time by arguing whenever it is possible about something that won't change :doubt:

They were adamant about not hosting new projects, and I recognize that. But so far, every one of my questions dealing with forum specific hosting has been ignored.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Solatar on October 12, 2003, 12:11:02 pm: Get webspace from Stealth, and get a bulletin board from www.proboards.com (get a pop-up blocker and then you won't have any ads.:D ).
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 12, 2003, 12:49:18 pm: Thanx for the help/advice guys...

Can we now move to the buisness t hand - PICS ARE UPDATED!
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 13, 2003, 04:42:55 am: Whitelight - I relised I made a huge mistake. LOD2 os the station I sent you was textured with the damage/debis texture...and I didn't notice that.. I corrected that and added LOD3 and sent it to you via e-mail...Sorry for the incovenience!
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Woolie Wool on October 13, 2003, 07:03:51 pm: Quote
Originally posted by karajorma

So go to EZ Board (http://www.ezboard.com)

NO DON'T!

Try ProBoards (www.proboards.com I think). EZBoards is not a great place to host your forums. It's really, really slow, and someone is guaranteed to hack your account and/or your board sooner or later on EZBoards. I know someone who was hacked THREE TIMES on EZBoards.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Unknown Target on October 13, 2003, 08:18:14 pm: Security fighter looking way cool, but the missle pods are still to square.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 14, 2003, 05:21:20 am: Missile pods?
The 4 things in front are guns....missiles will be fired from the part of the wing between the main hull and the engines....
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 19, 2003, 05:28:17 am: If all goes well the Civy Station will be put for download later today...

Here's one of the new thingys I'm working on:
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/HotelStation.JPG)

Something like a casino-hotel-station...
Texturing will be a b****!:D
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: karajorma on October 19, 2003, 07:49:27 am: This I like. :) Then again that might be cause it looks quite similar to the station I was working on :)
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Devils_Hitman on October 19, 2003, 07:51:47 am: doesnt look....terran.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: karajorma on October 19, 2003, 07:59:54 am: Quote
Originally posted by Devils_Hitman
doesnt look....terran.

That's just due to the texturing. The model is definately Terran.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 20, 2003, 06:19:04 am: Of courese it's terran...
But I haven't the time to texture it properly. I used the Vasudan Awacs texture to be the dome glass...but it doesn't work well....
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 27, 2003, 05:48:36 am: CivyStation is done!
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/screen00.jpg)

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/screen01.jpg)

[SIZE=30]Get it HERE:D (http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Misc/Freeport.zip)..;7[/SIZE]
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: FreeTerran on October 27, 2003, 05:51:18 am: yeah looks great man :yes:
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 27, 2003, 05:52:30 am: Another thing...what do you think of this civy
fighter?
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/CivFighter2.JPG)

hehehe...allso a little sneek peak at the Ascarts...here's their Strike bomber:

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/AscBomber.JPG)
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Ashrak on October 27, 2003, 06:06:18 am: looks minbari/vorlon.
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Post by: Black Wolf on October 27, 2003, 08:18:53 am: Please tell me you intend to Unwrap that with Lith (or the equivalent) Tile texturing on fighters barely works for Terrans (very, very barely, often not at all) - it will not work for aliens. Though I will be interested to see how you portray them texture wise - new species are always cool :)
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: gevatter Lars on October 27, 2003, 10:08:46 am: (http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/CivFighter2.JPG)

Looks like you have redesigned one of my older models.
Beside that I would make the engines or the mainhull part larger, but not the same hight.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 27, 2003, 11:02:42 am: Everythhing has to look like something....

I intend to texture all fighter when I learn how to do that (with Lithium unwrapper) or when I find a good texturer....

WHat? No comments on the Civystation? Has anyone downloaded it at all?
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: karajorma on October 27, 2003, 11:46:25 am: Didn't even notice the download the way you tucked it in at the bottom of your post. Looks pretty good :)
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 27, 2003, 02:34:35 pm: Darn...Post edited...you see it NOW?

I wanted to test the geometry a bit, so I did a quick texture job on LOD0 (640 polys), converted it and tested it.....

Here are some test screenies:

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/AbTest1.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/AbTest2.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/AbTest3.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/AbTest4.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/AscB.JPG)

talk about some serious firepower!
1x6 primary and 3 secondary!
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Knight Templar on October 27, 2003, 06:45:30 pm: Station = 1337

Meesa wants more.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 28, 2003, 01:45:38 am: What?
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: FreeTerran on October 28, 2003, 04:02:59 am: he like it and want more ;7
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on October 28, 2003, 04:07:43 am: I meant 1337?!

lenghth? polycount????
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Post by: Black Wolf on October 28, 2003, 05:01:08 am: You've been on HLP/the net for this long and you've never encountered 1337? :wtf:

1337 = Leet = Elite = good.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Knight Templar on October 28, 2003, 09:07:33 pm: What the black one said.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on November 01, 2003, 04:47:26 pm: Here's another one of my Civilian Models.
This is a Police Heavy Fighter:

(http://www.swooh.com/peon/Trashman/Pics/SecFighterType2.JPG)
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on November 02, 2003, 05:58:56 am: No comments whatsoever?:nervous:
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Devils_Hitman on November 02, 2003, 06:05:23 am: looks to flat
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on November 02, 2003, 06:15:19 am: It has to look flat...fast...sleek
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: karajorma on November 02, 2003, 06:33:28 am: Reminds me of the X-wing somewhat actually.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: StratComm on November 02, 2003, 12:06:30 pm: If you want it to look sleek, then taper the wings, especially on the leading edge. You're implying that you want an atmospheric fighter of some kind, and those square wings would never cut it.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on November 02, 2003, 03:55:39 pm: No, I just want it to look sleek....

And who sez it wouldn't fly in an atmosphere?
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: StratComm on November 02, 2003, 04:06:18 pm: Ok, let me clarify. If you put that ship, as-is, into an atmosphere and kicked in the engines, you'd have an unbelievable amount of drag coming from the leading edges of the wings. And the airflow off the back would be so turbulant that you'd probably completely lose control of the ship. "Atmospheric" fighters should look like planes, no hard edges facing directly into the direction of flight.

And if you aren't going to beef up the ship under the premise that it has to look "sleek", you're really going to want to bring those hard edges under control. Right now it's got the biggest radar cross-section possible for a craft of that size.

I actually think the design has a lot of promise, it's just way too square.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Knight Templar on November 02, 2003, 04:08:39 pm: Why not just say it won't go in the atmosphere and make it look better anyways?

Unless you are planning on atmospheric missions.. :blah:
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Eviscerator on November 02, 2003, 05:02:57 pm: I agree that it needs to be smoothed out.
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on November 03, 2003, 04:29:20 am: Perhaps...I tought of putting missle launchers on the front of the wings....I could smooth it a bit...

Alltough if you have a gravity drive, shape doesn't matter...
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Setekh on November 03, 2003, 08:55:22 am: Whooo, you got some real heavy hardware in here, T. Good stuff putting it all together. :)
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on November 03, 2003, 09:08:07 am: You haven't seen nothing yet! Just look at my to-do list!

Some team mambers have been complaining I'm showing too much...
From now on most stuff will be hush-hush!:wink:
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Knight Templar on November 03, 2003, 09:06:27 pm: I thought it was supposed to go public anyway..?
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Vilkacis on November 04, 2003, 10:50:35 am: No he's talking about the things that are still in the pipeline and we thought better stop him before he vents everything out into the public. There have to be some secrets to keep the mod interesting :D
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: Eviscerator on November 04, 2003, 04:46:47 pm: When are the rest of the scheduled public releases going to be....... well... released?

ohhhh.... missile launchers in the leading edge of the wings..... a good idea.. or... PULSE LASERS! :D
Title: DOTA Civy stuff will go public
Post by: TrashMan on November 07, 2003, 04:05:10 am: As soon as they are done and tested!

I'm the lead modeler in the team, and I can only work for 2 days in the week, which makes it a bit difficult to be fast (especially with exams). Allso, the texturing is the problem. I allready have several models that are completely done, but lack better textures..

Oh well.... I'll try and finish as much as I can, but I say again...Just look at my to-do list, and you'll see it's a hell'a of a lot of work!