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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: übermetroid on October 13, 2003, 10:38:22 pm
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Ok, Freespace story line questions for the all knowing.
What happened to the HOL? I forget.
Durring FS2 were there any sightings of a lucy?
Were all the shivans at Capella? Or would I be right to assume that the GTVA still have to "mop" up a few left over battle groups after Capella went boom?
Shoot, I know I had some more... I made a big list while I was writing out my campaign. Oh well, I will edit this later. :rolleyes:
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1. Crushed in Operation Templar in 2345, one of the first official actions of the GTVA. It's a 4-mission FS2 multiplayer campaign, check it out.
2. No.
3. A few Shivan cruisers may have managed to make it through the Vega and Epsilon Pegasi nodes whilst chasing refugees, but the recovery craft on the other side would have mopped them up quickly.
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Originally posted by Galemp
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1)Templar? I head that sucked. I will have to check it out now.
2)Thats too bad. Maybe they were seen and they were hunted down. And maybe that happened after Capella. ;7
3)Or did they?
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Maybe not.
No actually, they really didn't.
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If Templar is canon then so is "The Trap" from the SOTY edition... And it says ships made it out.
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Not really. Templar was more of an add-on user campaign acknowledged by V to a certain extent IIRC. Big difference from approved single tech room missions.
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Oh. Oh well.... In my univerise some made it out. :-)
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No-one will argue with that. It's a perfectly reasonable supposition. So go with it :yes:
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If you excuse me, I wouldn't consider the Templar campaign canon. It is only a multiplayer campaign. If it were a single player camp, I would say it is fairly canon.
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Originally posted by TopAce
If you excuse me, I wouldn't consider the Templar campaign canon. It is only a multiplayer campaign. If it were a single player camp, I would say it is fairly canon.
I agree that it's not canon, but not because it's multiplayer - rather because it was acknowledged, not created, by V.
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I was reading the TECH info in game and in the spot that talks about the HOL it says that most of them were wiped out durring Operation Templar. So that means that it is cannon, right?
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Pretty much I'd say. If they disagreed with it they wouldn't have mentioned it. :)
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Originally posted by ubermetroid
What happened to the HOL? As people said, Operation Templar finished them off.
Durring FS2 were there any sightings of a lucy?None that V has mentioned.
Were all the shivans at Capella? A good portion of them were. If you're asking if they were in a different side of the galaxy from Capella, no (well, without Derelict anyway :D ), but the Shivan armada was concentrated in Capella, Gamma Draconis, and those whereabouts.
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Originally posted by ubermetroid
Oh. Oh well.... In my univerise some made it out.
Easily supportable. One of the transports from the final mission of Operation Templar was intended to escape with HOL personnel, so a reappearance could be viable.
Originally posted by ubermetroid
If Templar is canon then so is "The Trap" from the SOTY edition... And it says ships made it out.
:wtf: Wasn't The Trap dealing with Shivan capitals and not the HOL? Or was it somewhere in the CB that I missed? *goes to play that mission*
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Originally posted by TopAce
If you excuse me, I wouldn't consider the Templar campaign canon. It is only a multiplayer campaign. If it were a single player camp, I would say it is fairly canon.
I read that the Templar campaign was available in single player with the special edition of the game. However, I cannot say for sure since I don't have that version.
And I would believe it is quite cannon, although you cannot be sure the HOL was *completely* crushed by this operation. Who knows, perhaps all these tensions and plain insubordination (Rebels & Renegades IIRC) linked with the Vasudans are due to a few HOL members here and there? Or these spiritual leaders which are now hiding the database aludes to.
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It is available in SP for GOTY edition.
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Does anybody need the GOTY edition stuff? I could zip it and hand it out if needed.
Maybe then I could actually be doing something useful for the community. :lol:
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Funny, I always thought Templar was made by Volition, what with the full voice acting and all. Plus it's mentioned in the FS2 HoL tech entry so that makes it official. I'll have to look up the names of the mission designers in FRED, see if they're V staff.
When do we get the :V: smilie back, I wonder...
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Ubermetroid, I have the nasty habit of collecting everything I can think. If you don't mind, could you send me these files, if it also makes you feel better? ;)
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Actually, I've been hunting that stuff down for as long as I can remember. Register a Swooh account and get uploading, soldier. ;)
Oh, and welcome to HLP, Thylrial! :nod:
:welcome:
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I put a copy up myself.
Click me (http://swooh.com/peon/karajorma/Downloads/Templar%20Single%20Player%20Version.zip)
EDIT : I checked. Templer was created by Brad Johnson who also FREDded several FS2 official missions. As far as I'm concerned that's enough to make templar canon.
I seem to remember hearing that the single player version was user created from the original multiplayer version and that might be what is causing confusion
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Hum... Ok. I will upload the SOTY stuff at Swooh today, later in the afternoon (right now I got HW todo). Look for it then.
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Thanks a lot Ubermetroid and Karajorma. Oh, and no need to be really in a hurry. Like Setekh, I have been looking for these files for two years or so, so I can wait a few other hours without too much problem. :)
Thanks for the welcome Setekh!
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If I remember correctly, I also have given you a welcome beam.
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Yes you did so TopAce, on the Freespace Port forums actually. Two days ago or so I believe.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Click me (http://swooh.com/peon/karajorma/Downloads/Templar%20Single%20Player%20Version.zip)
This ZIP seems to be missing mission 4. ;)
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That was all I got last time someone put it up for download. Never having played the multiplayer version I didn't even realise there was a mission 4 :D
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Ill put the stuff up soon, but I still have to wait to get space at swooh...
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Yea! I uploaded the Templar and X Missions! Someone test out the link and let me know that it worked!
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Worked.
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You've got the four missions but you're missing the campaign file! :)
I had the camapign file (or at least A campaign file but was missing the fourth mission). :D I'll have to check later and see if the campaign file I've got includes mission 4.
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Originally posted by karajorma
You've got the four missions but you're missing the campaign file! :)
Of all the STUPID things to do! I fixed and uploaded one with the campaign file in it...
oops! :nervous:
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Better :D
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Is it just Templar and the Missions that the SOTY edition has over the normal editions? Anything else I can upload for the fun of it? Disk 3 has an extra folder, but most of that stuff it allready out in the community.
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That Templar campaign is very good in multiplayer, but the offline version is just a singleplayer conversion of the mission files with no play-balancing changes at all, so the difficulty is very uneven and it pales in comparison to the multiplayer version. The original version is definitely official (it came with the original retail FS2 and has the volition logo next to it in the multiplayer mission screen).
Regarding that last question, the briefing for the second last mission says something about a "massive attack at the Vega node," so some ships most likely managed to get through during that. Probably not enough to cause much trouble though, or else Petrarch would have talked about that at the end.
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How can we be sure that Templar got ALL the members of the HoL?
In (or rather, before) 'Apocalypse Nigh', a semi-stable node to a system called Zeta Aquilae was discovered in Regulus around the time of Operation Templar. The node was not considered stable enough to enable safe exploration of the system beyond, but robot scout probes reported that it was free of artificial constructs except for some abandoned Sol-era mine workings (see Descent 2...) A monitoring station (known as Tirith Station) was set up near the node, but not before Operation Templar concluded. During the NTF insurgency, the station was abandoned, but once the Second Shivan War was over it was repaired and expanded.
In the last few years Tirith Station has again fallen into disrepair and abandoned. The node to Zeta Aquilae is unguarded.
Near the beginning of the story, we find out that some HoL ships traversed that node before Templar and now form the nucleus of a pirate force that has been raiding supply bases over the past few weeks. The Aquitaine is sent to Zeta Aquilae with two Aeolus Cruisers and a Deimos Corvette to mop up the pirate forces, and the Vasudan Emperor has deployed three Cruisers to guard the node in Regulus and recommission Tirith Station as a Vasudan installation.
However, it becomes apparent that there are more new systems beyond Zeta Aquilae. The Hammer of Light flees to the outer reaches of Zeta Aquilae, and jump to Quartzon. There, the Aquitaine discovers that the HoL has found another Knossos portal, and as a last resort to escape the wrath of the GTVA, they have activated it. The Aquitaine is ordered not to pursue the escaping vessels, but instead guard the portal.