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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stunaep on October 17, 2003, 04:04:30 pm

Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Stunaep on October 17, 2003, 04:04:30 pm
It's out. It's good. it's as short as the last one. Go!
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: pyro-manic on October 17, 2003, 04:09:10 pm
What? Already? Oh well - more stuff to spend money on....
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Liberator on October 17, 2003, 11:50:55 pm
I'll be honest.  I didn't really like the first one all that much.  Better graphics or not, Film Noir does not translate well to a digital format.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: mikhael on October 18, 2003, 12:42:45 am
man, Max Payne... great story. Great damn story. Such a shame they destroyed it by making it a bloody game.

Max Payne 2? Not even if you bought it for me.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Sandwich on October 18, 2003, 05:49:14 am
It was a film?
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on October 18, 2003, 05:50:37 am
I assume it was a novel.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Setekh on October 18, 2003, 05:56:54 am
It was some sort of strange hybrid. Film noir characters and setting, narrated through an illustrated novel, and carried through by run-and-gun action gameplay. Well, I enjoyed it (number 1, that is - not sure about the sequel, seems to me that the title is a bit too defeatist for my likings).
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 19, 2003, 01:47:26 am
Max Payne a great story? Eheheh. Heh heh heh heh heh.

You are aware that it was made to be intentionally bad, right? Please tell me you meant "good as in they made it suck nicely".
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Stunaep on October 19, 2003, 01:58:17 am
could you just stop arguing about the old ones, and get MP2. It's got bullet time, for pete's sake
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Fury on October 19, 2003, 02:14:46 am
Finished the game yesterday. It's same as the prequel with better graphics and a new story. If you liked MP1, you like MP2. Otherwise, don't bother.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: RangerKarl on October 19, 2003, 03:22:16 am
I'll wait until the Kung Fu mods come out. They're always worth it.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Carl on October 19, 2003, 03:59:54 am
max payne 2 is pretty much the exact same game as max payne 1. instead of spending money on the new one, just play the first one again.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Razor on October 19, 2003, 05:29:55 am
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Originally posted by Carl
max payne 2 is pretty much the exact same game as max payne 1. instead of spending money on the new one, just play the first one again.


That's a very dumb suggestion. :wtf: No offence, but I am gonna get this game to see how the new story develops.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Stunaep on October 19, 2003, 06:28:40 am
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Originally posted by Carl
max payne 2 is pretty much the exact same game as max payne 1. instead of spending money on the new one, just play the first one again.


Freespace 2 is pretty much the exact same game as Descent: Freespace. Instead of spending money on the new one, just play the first one again. :doubt:
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Setekh on October 19, 2003, 07:24:27 am
Maybe if they put out a demo, I can play it next year. :D
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Razor on October 19, 2003, 07:47:50 am
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Originally posted by Stunaep


Freespace 2 is pretty much the exact same game as Descent: Freespace. Instead of spending money on the new one, just play the first one again. :doubt:


My point exactly. There must be something new added to MP2 to make it different from MP1. And i know that at least 1 thing is new and that is story. But I bet my money that there is a lot more new stuff like moves, Bullettime 2 new weapons new characters and all. So I don't see any GOOD reason to agree with Carl. :doubt: :rolleyes:
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 19, 2003, 06:28:16 pm
Because FS2 had better effects and fancier ships and ****loads of new ships and weapons and had nebulas and didn't look like total ass when compared to everything else at the time and ****?

Just a random guess. MP2 uses effectively the same engine, with more or less the same sorts of things to shoot at, apparently the exact same AI, and the story was ass to begin with. The big difference? Now stuff breaks. Whee. I can get a better effect by going down to the junkyard with my sledgehammer.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Bri_Dog on October 19, 2003, 06:58:13 pm
What's the story in this one about? How does Max "fall"?

Spoil me damnit!
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Stunaep on October 19, 2003, 11:57:07 pm
Aside, of course, that the engine looks like the third best thing since Doom III, every game out there is pretty much some new scenery to shoot at and.... IT GOT ****ING 9.4 FROM IGN

Well, simply put:

(http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/MaxPayne2rev_101603_003.jpg)
Effectively same engine my ass.

Bri_dog - apparently Max "falls" in love
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 20, 2003, 12:15:09 am
Stu: You are aware that it's ten to one you'll never see a scene that looks as good as a dev screenshot the entire time you play the game? I could show you shots from games that are five years old that make modern games look like ass. As a matter of fact, that one does a rather poor job of demonstrating your point, as it's pretty obvious that all that's there a low-poly environment with soft shadows and some very nice skins- which is nothing new, the original Max Payne did a great job with skinning, too, and shadowmaps (like **** that's raytraced) can be found in N64 games. Which is a good thing, too many games rely on pure quantity of polygons, but doesn't do anything to change the fact that there's nothing in that screenshot that's much at all different from what you coulda gotten three years ago- virtually everything but Max himself in the image is a cube (the pillars are chamfered, so really an extruded octagon there), and the character model wouldn't be more than about two hundred polys by the looks of it. Maybe, oh, 50% more model detail than the guys in Quake. One would think, on a 3d-art-intensive board as this one, you'd learn to see these things.

Also... IGN? You're joking, right? You think a positive IGN rating means anything at all? AH-HAH HA! AH-HAHAHA! Those corporate whore lackeys? You kill me! They ain't given anything under an 8 to anything they thought might sell well since the hottest game out there was Pong.

And he "falls" because a dramatic name'll sell well, even though he's basically still ****ed for life at the end of the first game.

Oh, and no. Many games actually implement what are called new "features", things like minigames or vehicle control or different styles of combat (though, sadly, the minigame has for the most part gone the way of the nonlinear plot). These are what are known as "innovative games" or just for short "good games". The original MP had, among a few other things, bullet time- this one has nothing to add.


If you like the game, want it, whatever, fine- that's subjective. Just don't lie to yourself and pretend that you're getting anything more than Max Payne: the Expansion Pack. For one thing, it'll make me unhappy because I don't like it when people get tricked into monetarily encouraging uncreative gamemaking- it's already ****ed up gaming in general enough, maybe one in fifty games actually isn't a graphically upgraded clone of something these days.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Gloriano on October 20, 2003, 12:49:53 am
Stu:MP2 uses same engine that MP1 used but it's edited

but i think MAFIA is still better than mp1&mp2
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Setekh on October 20, 2003, 01:26:36 am
I might just wait till spoilers come out and read them - I like the story of these games more anyway. :p
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Gloriano on October 20, 2003, 01:29:20 am
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Originally posted by Setekh
I might just wait till spoilers come out and read them - I like the story of these games more anyway. :p



same here:nod:
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 20, 2003, 01:36:32 am
Holy hell, I'm turning into a dweeb. Did I really just post that?


That's it. Final. Off the Internet for good, before I start seriously discussing games in real life.
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: Gloriano on October 20, 2003, 02:24:43 am
(http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/pc/maxpayne2/1016/max_screen001.jpg)


;)

in games i love well written plot&love story
Title: Max Payne 2. Out. Now. Get. Shoo. Go already
Post by: kasperl on October 20, 2003, 03:13:08 am
ok, first screenie, you see that that badge is another textured thingy, not really something you'd expect from something so marvelled about. second screenie, the blood is ugly, and every edge is pixelated.

and my pc wouldn't run the first one, so i'll just try to get FSO to work on this bloody box.