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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: GT-Keravnos on October 21, 2003, 05:24:04 pm
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Don't know how to describe it, can't really define it.
Maybe the words "interesting times" have an interesting sound to them. It makes sense really, doesn't it...
I mean, it has been a good 2-4 months since I saw a "Fs2 is about to die", "Who gives a funk about a 4 year old engine" (The sig you see below is an answer to those claims) and the good old tired and true adage...
"I am getting too old for this", and "My machine won't run SCP, so I 'm out".
Thing is, we are living a renaissance of sorts, a "Golden Era" if you will. I don't want to wait for it to end before aknowledgin it :nodding: speaking out about it and what I think caused it...
So, without further ado... (If you're left out, don't mean nothing, probably that I didn't remember something important, and that is MY mistake, not yours)
1. Freeware engine (thank -V- gods)
2. Free download (including the missing parts ;7 )
3. TBP v.2 (despite teething problems and progress reports therof)
4. and quite possibly the most important... INFERNO
which brought so many new people over HLP, some of which WILL stay.
Reasons for continued and proposed growth (aka, this WILL NOT fadeout not too soon)...
1. HTL coming on to us
2. WC saga (models look gorgeous, people WILL make campaigns out of them...;7 )
3. Kazan's and other valiant efforts to make the tools_of_the_trade more accessible (and of course you can get Truspace 3.2 for FREE)
4. More and more people coming over, and actually creating stuff.
and last but not least...
The star wars TC. Can't beat the grandaddy, no sir :)
So, sit back and enjoy the ride. It WILL be quite a magnificent experience. If you feel like, contribute. It is good to belong, and after all those times playing same old games, why not be creative?
(All that remains is that in due time I answer my own question) ;)
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Ummm, congrats on figuring out, what, year, two year-old news?
EDIT: And aren't you a little new to be discussing the ages of Freespace past? I mean, seriously, you just came on board. You haven't even seen the stuff that happened before, sheesh :rolleyes:
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LOL Well, he's entitled to be pleased at what will hopefully happen in the future, but when I came back onto HLP after a year of not playing FS2, I was breathtaken at what the coders had achieved :)
Anyway, it's been at least 2 months since we had a 'Source Coders Rool!!11shiftone!!111!' post, even if I guess it should be in the SCP one where the coders can see it ;)
Flipside :D
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Ummm, congrats on figuring out, what, year, two year-old news?
EDIT: And aren't you a little new to be discussing the ages of Freespace past? I mean, seriously, you just came on board. You haven't even seen the stuff that happened before, sheesh :rolleyes:
february 2001 was only like 2½ years ago, so he's probably been around here. I see you registered in october that same year...
and now when he mentions it, he's right. hasn't been that much "let's give up, this game is 0ld" talk lately. which is nice.
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Originally posted by GT-Keravnos
The star wars TC. Can't beat the grandaddy, no sir :)
:D Yeehaw!:D
It would seem that GT registered before you even?
Though registration dates lie... I was on the VBB for almost 2 years, but only joined here when it died, and though GT hadn't, that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about...
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Uknown Target, You are right, I haven't been here to know.
I missed the great flame wars of VBB and the migration over here.
But, I have been here long enough. So, I can only speak from what I have seen.
And that is more "Fs2 is dead" threads than I can count.
Just wanted to get a quick heads up to those who are interested in finding out what 's going on. (There are many new people around). I also feel vindicated in a small way. You should too. You waited out the bad times, and now good times are a-rolling again!
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I think I must be blind. I haven't seen a single one :D
EDIT: And kode, you registered in the same year as well. And just because I took forever to register on HLP, doesn't mean I wasn't in FS before that.
Actually, if we're gonna get nostalgic, when I first found HLP, I thought it'd never last. Proved me wrong :D
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I had a website on GroundFS
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as long as people play FS2 it wont die. As long as FS2 is the Undisputed champion of space sims people will mod for it. As long as people mod for it, others will source code for it. As long as people source code for it, and make new mods and it is the undisputed champ of space sim games, people will play it.
Nuff' said..
And its good to see more FS is alive threads too.
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well i did see freespace golden years in VBB but i dind't register ever
because i was too busy
campaigns i waiting are
BWO
he Scroll of Atankharzim
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I lurked around he VBB for a while, but when I finally decided to register, it was too late. I went to f2s from there, registering as Warlock because I didn't know about the original (never played multi, had like a 56k modem back then). And now I'm here.:p
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
EDIT: And kode, you registered in the same year as well. And just because I took forever to register on HLP, doesn't mean I wasn't in FS before that.
and then, in your head, a little lightbulb could have been turned on, and you'd think, "hey, but yeah! maybe that's the same for him!".
But seems there's not enough juice for that :p
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
EDIT: And kode, you registered in the same year as well. And just because I took forever to register on HLP, doesn't mean I wasn't in FS before that.
Actually, if we're gonna get nostalgic, when I first found HLP, I thought it'd never last. Proved me wrong :D
what is your point?
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I was on the VBB, but
"VBB Survivor:
Posts: one or two" doesn't sound all that great.:p
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well Freespace is dying slowly but surely and now one can't stop that
few campaigns can give little more time to freespace
but not more
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Holy Imperial Gloriano,
How do you define death in a computer game?
I think it is oblivion, when NO-ONE wants it, it doesn't get played, people don't remember it, etc. For example (and regretabbly so, Slave Zero, a REALLY GOOD GAME)
In that sense EVERY game is dead, since it has passed its hi-time and it is awaiting oblivion. Well, it doesn't happen here.
Why?
1. New campaigns.
2. SCP- bringing you more graphics beauty than you can handle.
3. New people coming over.
4. The mere fact that there isn't anything like it. I mean if they make something that can be as good and as easily moddable as Freespace, people may go over there. But, nothing on the horizon to show for.
Death. What is it? In the end we all will die. You, me and the Universe. So will Fs2. But for the foreseeable future, you will be seeing a lot of activity around here for the above reasons. That means that Fs2 is alive. Which is one more reason to appreciate and be thankful for new and better things like HLP 2.0
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when game starting die it happens when peoples don't play it anymore
i am playing little bit FS but not more anymore
(because i helping one campaign and playing FS-port
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*thinks back to VBB* Ah yes, the Great Flame Wars. And the VBBQ. And the Dead Frozen Goat of Justice.
I'm considering setting up an EzBoard (free) forum, just so we can relive those happy(?) days of flaming all and sundry (especially when those buggers from an adjacent forum try to invade...)
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I remember when I first arrived on the VBBQ. It was quite an experience. I couldn't understand how such a great game could attract such a miserable bad tempered fan base :P. Freespace 2 the game is already dead. On the other hand there is still some interest in the Freespace universe based on the modding community. I guess that will continue as long as people are happy to mod.
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Ah yes, the good old VBB. Then it got slightly too hot.....I think I was amongst the last to escape to HLP.
But on topic, I don't view FS2 as anywhere near dead. The engine itself is still pretty sound, although looking a little dated. The SCP is doing a superb job at sprucing the thing up again, so I could easily see a few more years here.
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Not to mention MAC users...
:nod:
;7
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People are still ordering FS2 disks to be burned from a certain factory I know of (250 sets last weekend)... With that new disk smell too...
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I don't think FS2 is dead. It's my favourite game of all time, ever since I bought it. Which was, admittedly, only about a year and a half ago. However there are very few games which keep my attention for very long after I've completed them. FS2 on the other hand, I've played through many times and it still doesn't seem to get any older. And with all the mods, and more on the way, it looks like it's only getting better. I'll play Doom 3 and Half Life 2, and sure, they'll be great, but in the end there will be something better, and they will be forgotten. I can't imagine ever forgetting FS2.
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Well, there's only one other non-franchised Space Combat game that has attracted this much attention after this many years, and that was Elite :D
Flipside :D
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STAR TREK TC TOOO!!!!
http://swooh.com/peon/Bubsy87/STTC/STTCNews.htm
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ELITE! Damn, that was a cool game. I had a ZX Spectrum 48k copy on tape, but the Spectrum broke before I could get Elite to load...
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:lol: I had to put my old tape player at full volume and leave the room, it was the only way my old Speccy would load :)
However, I was lucky enough to borrow one of my schools BBC Micros over a summer Holiday, and played Elite practically non-stop throughout :) I think it was that game that turned me into the computer game addicted wreck I am now ;)
Flipside :D
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Elite and privateer those were awesome
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Got Palm?
If so, go play spacetrader. They got Privateer skins for it.
Best way to beat a commute to work.
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Originally posted by GT-Keravnos
Got Palm?
If so, go play spacetrader. They got Privateer skins for it.
Best way to beat a commute to work.
I can't wait for picoverse...
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X2 is looking good too......
www.egosoft.com
Flipside :D
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Originally posted by Flipside
X2 is looking good too......
www.egosoft.com
Flipside :D
:nod:
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Terminal Velocity 2 looks good too.
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I haven't read throught the whole thread, but if you accept my opinion, FS2 will remain as it is(except of some SCP upgrades).
As to my experience, most of the projects ongoing now are stuck down.
All staff members say they do not have the time to do anything. If you accept an example, the latest file I received from a staff member of my own project(Renegade Ressurgence) was at the beginning of September. That was a zip file which contained some voice files for !!Mission 1!!
So FS is only living on the papers.
I suppose most of you are only modding for it, not playing.
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Well, I just got my P4 2400+ XP SP1 in order. Guess what game I will RE-play? Righto!
Am waiting for Lightspeed to finish lighting them up, but I might not wait any longer. As for projects, well there are more than you know! (I guarantee!)
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Actually I've replayed FS1 more than FS2 - somehow it's more classy for me.
Nowadays the FS Port fills that void.
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this would be AHTW?
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FS AIN'T DEAD UNTIL I SAY IT IS!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Triple Ace
FS AIN'T DEAD UNTIL I SAY IT IS!!!!!!!!!!
I want to say something so witty and funny to this, but words fail me.
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I believe the key is to have more FREDing going on. It's been mentioned before by someone else, but we have all of these great MODs but almost nothing to put them in.
Sure, there are the great campaigns in the works, but we need something to last us 'in between' the releases. What is needed is the creation of a great many individual missions, both single- and multi-player, just so that we have something to play.
It cannot truly be that every FREDer out there is working on some grand project? Personally, I'm somewhat surprised that we don't see more single missions being released.
FS2 will die when we stop playing it, but we need something to play with. We need a flow of missions, as well as campaigns and MODs.
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Well said. Get to work.
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The problem is that when single missions are released very few people pay attention.
I rarely play single missions myself because I prefer the richer storyline of a campaign.
What might be an idea is the release of mini-campaigns. That way you get the rich storyline and can FRED it fairly quickly.
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I prefer campaigns myself.
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I agree. Campaigns are more involving, but take correspondingly greater time to produce. Mini-campaigns is probably the better solution then.
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Originally posted by kode
february 2001 was only like 2½ years ago, so he's probably been around here. I see you registered in october that same year...
before you make a fool out of yourself, remember that registration dates aren't accurate since the board had some troubles a few months ago. It says he's registered February 2001, which is (if i remember right) one month after HLP's forums went online.
Now take a look at his "member ID"... it's 970 or thereabouts... meaning he's much, MUCH newer than February 2001 ;)
A lot of people are like that... look at "kasperl"... i remember him registering, i remember his first post, yet it says he registered before me ;)
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Originally posted by Stealth
before you make a fool out of yourself, remember that registration dates aren't accurate since the board had some troubles a month ago. It says he's registered February 2001, which is (if i remember right) one month after HLP's forums went online.
Now take a look at his "member ID"... it's 970 or thereabouts... meaning he's much, MUCH newer than February 2001 ;)
A lot of people are like that... look at "kasperl"... i remember him registering, i remember his first post, yet it says he registered before me ;)
oh, thanks for telling me. It's just that I made that post you quoted over a month ago. I also didn't think about that reg date thing, as it was a long time ago I read that and thought it had been resolved. and my reg date is correct, so I thought everyones was.
who's that kasperl?
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Originally posted by kode
oh, thanks for telling me. It's just that I made that post you quoted over a month ago. I also didn't think about that reg date thing, as it was a long time ago I read that and thought it had been resolved. and my reg date is correct, so I thought everyones was.
who's that kasperl?
yeah well don't worry about it. Even Sandwich fell for it a while back... of course i was obliged to 0wn him ;)
Anyway, kasperl is a n00b who turned against me a few months ago out of jealousy. but i don't talk behind people's backs, so i won't insult him :D
he was the one that made me realize the system was wrong... because i saw his reg. date, and i was like "wait a minute... i was registered for a year when he registered"... hehe. "something's wrong" ;)
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Originally posted by karajorma
What might be an idea is the release of mini-campaigns. That way you get the rich storyline and can FRED it fairly quickly.
Deus Ex Machina! :D
It took only two months from conception to first release. :nod:
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Originally posted by Stealth
Anyway, kasperl is a n00b who turned against me a few months ago out of jealousy. but i don't talk behind people's backs, so i won't insult him :D
ahh... yes, knoppix/redhat guy. now I remember.
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Is kasperl (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=936) a newbie?
:lol:
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Originally posted by TopAce
Is kasperl (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=936) a newbie?
:lol:
yeah, what kasperl did you think i was talking about!?
he even admits he's n00b... remember the signiture he had? he was like "just a normal n00b who doesn't know how FRED, .TBL, or anything".
i always liked him, we still work on the FSSCP website together (well, we both have access to it) but he's turned to the dark side (i.e. an0n, Knight_Templar, and Stryke's side)... i dunno. i think it also had something to do with Swooh not being good enough for him. i dunno, i think he's cool, he can hate on me all he wants ;)
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No. No he isn't. Stealth, I think, uses that particular term overmuch.
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well he said he was... i'm just repeating what he said
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!Oh, his signature![/color]
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yeah, he must have changed it since then. it used to say something to the effect of:
"Just an average n00b with no FRED, programming, or modeling knowledge".
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Originally posted by Stealth
Anyway, kasperl is a n00b who turned against me a few months ago out of jealousy. but i don't talk behind people's backs, so i won't insult him :D
you know, i got angry at you because you posted a thread for reaching a certain postcount, while a day before that, FT got is postcount killed for posting the thousandst thread in the SCP forum. i never said swooh wasn't good enough for me, i just said you thought you were popular because of swooh.
i didn;t pay attention to this thread untill now, and i saw my name flash by. now i don't mind bieng talked about that much, but then saying that you don't talk about me behind my back while your doing it, is more then just a little bit wrong.
and yeah, i changed my siggy, after someone pointed me to the fact i was here for a year or more, and i still had the noob thing in my siggy.
edit: that must have been on NW, when someone did something to it, i see it still sais noob here. not that i mind
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Originally posted by Stealth
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"Just an average n00b with no FRED, programming, or modeling knowledge".
Wrong, sir.
just another newbie without any modding, FREDding or real programming experience