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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Hamano on October 23, 2003, 09:36:10 am
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New thread!
Here is link to my new MOD, HERC3:
http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/FS/herc301.htm
Comments are welcome.
If you have comments for my other works, please write here.
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it looks really like something used in atmospheric fightng, and not really freespacy.
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there's already a herc mkIII, and a mkIV i believe.
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very nice desing
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I don't think it looks too out of place in the Hercules line - although it looks a bit more Mk.1 in textures and cockpit, it retains the Hercules trademark of the retruding rod on the bottom.
I also like the Japanese influence in the design.
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Hmmm, I like. The wing parts are a little remiscent of the F-22 stealth fighter.
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Due to the fins, it looks more like an atmospheric fighter (maybe from robotech:)) rather an advanced herc. But the model isn't bad and it seem you have done an excellent texturing job:)
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ehy I've just seen your plugin page... the vertex slider sound very useful to me:)
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Yukikaze!:D
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I like it, very much! The Herc series is definitely getting more streamlined; compare the original Herc with the Herc II, and the Ares. Sprouting another pair of wings off the bottom looks great. I think it's fine successor to the Herc series.
Right now the stats look too much like the Erinyes, though; eight guns, good speed and armor, but smaller missile banks. Consider tilting it more towards a 'line' version of the Ares.
Oh, and Hamano- have you seen Venom's OTT ships? They're very Japanese in style. Look them up.
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MUST.... BUILD... HI-POLY.... HERC-MK3....
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Ooh, yes....
This is excellent, mate! Aain, very nicely done! :):yes:
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Very cool!!! :D
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Originally posted by Galemp
I like it, very much!
:nod:
Originally posted by mikhael
MUST.... BUILD... HI-POLY.... HERC-MK3....
:D
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Very Nice. :yes:
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I love it!
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Originally posted by mikhael
MUST.... BUILD... HI-POLY.... HERC-MK3....
[Crowd cheering] Do it! Do it! Do it! [/Crowd cheering] :D ;7 :)
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Always loved this mod, I'm overjoyed to see it finally in FS. Beautiful mesh and skin job. :)
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The Hercules MK II was only an Ares reskin, not?
Haven't seen the Mk IV yet.
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Originally posted by TopAce
The Hercules MK II was only an Ares reskin, not?
Haven't seen the Mk IV yet.
I do hope you intended to say the original Herc III, as the Herc II is a canon FS2 ship. But yes, there is an Ares reskin called the Hercules Mk III
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it was done by the steak himself :D
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Sleek!:D
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Thank you for responding everyone.
Already existing Herc3(Ares reskin):
I'd like to say it "Herc2-B","Herc2-D", or some,
because its base modules are the same as Herc2.
This is only just my guess.
If the FS community want to say Ares reskin as Herc3,
I will change mine to Herc4.
mikhael,
I am looking forward to see your hi-poly Herc3!
Galemp,
I've not seen OTT pages.
I will see the pages from now.
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I can not see OTT pages.
When I went to:
http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/ott/
then Not found page of 3dap is displayed.
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OTT Models (20.4Mb) (www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?/3dactionplanet/hlp/files/OTT Models/OTT.exe)
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Very slick model. I like it alot.
Cheers!
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If it didn't have those stick things it'd be 100x better.
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Hamano, all the pics for the OTT ships are here.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,16966.0.html
They're all publicly released, too, somewhere...
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Originally posted by StratComm
I do hope you intended to say the original Herc III, as the Herc II is a canon FS2 ship. But yes, there is an Ares reskin called the Hercules Mk III
ohh .. sorry. I wanted to write III. I know that the Herc 2 is canon. :)
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I love that fighter!!! I just downloaded it and haven't evenunzipped it but from the pics it looks sweet! I just finished watching macorss zero 1&2 so I was stoked when I saw you HercIII!!!!!!
KEEP IT UP!
As for Orion Phase2 HURRY! lol
I'd like permission to steal teh HercIII for REF... I'd like to give Robotech a fighter that is extreamly fast in atmosphere and yet has a retro pre-protoculture look and HercIII looks like it would fit nicely? (if no I understand)...
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Originally posted by Ypoknons
I also like the Japanese influence in the design.
I don't remember where, but I'm sure Volition aknowledged that freespace design was much influenced by animesa already, so it's only senisible to keep up with this trend, methink :)
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I'd like to see this ship cell-shaded. :D
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
I'd like to see this ship cell-shaded. :D
:nod:
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Originally posted by Fractux
Very slick model. I like it alot.
Cheers!
If noone whan'ts it I would like to use the compleated model for my mod StarShip, I also would need a modifed verent of the Yamir too. hehehe;7
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Originally posted by Nico
I don't remember where, but I'm sure Volition aknowledged that freespace design was much influenced by animesa already, so it's only senisible to keep up with this trend, methink :)
Really? Man, I'd be really interested to see where they said that - I always suspected it a little, but never had heard the words before. No wonder I like their designs so much. :D
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Hey that ship looks realy cool...maybe not like the common HERC design what is much mor bulk, but like a sleak and strong fighter...realy like it.
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Hey, that looks really good, but it doesn't much owe to the Hercules design lineage. Perhaps it needs a different name. Its definately more sleek and fighter looking than Hercs are.
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That's a good model, but it looks oh-so-unHerky. When I think "Hercules", I think a stubby box of death. This thing looks more like a Perseus update.
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What are you talking about? It's the perfect evolution to the Hercules line. Just as the Herc progressed from the original to the Herc II, so this Herc III is expanding upon that (and the Ares) for a new generation.
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agreed, but god knows why you need streamlining in space
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Considering the thickness of the nebulae you fly into in FS2, streamlining is a good thing.
:p
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Hardly a major thing if you ask me, but hell what do i know about flying spacecraft in nebulee.
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It can come handy in a variety of situations.
One major reason is that, bulky things don't tend to make bullets and shrapnel bounce of as much as something smooth.
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There's only one real reason to streamline a Herc: because it looks cool. Cool Factor is pretty much the only important thing in science fiction^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfantasy design. :D
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im not denying it looks cool and i think it fits well in the herc line, i was just comenting on the actual point of what is the real reasoning for actually streamlining spacecraft .... if you get where im coming from ... probably not :D
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Originally posted by Galemp
What are you talking about? It's the perfect evolution to the Hercules line.
Okay, lay down the crack pipe.
Both official Hercules versions (and the extremely Herk-esque Ares), have been all about packing gobs of weapon points into a stubby, slow-moving, heavily-armored package. Like its mythological namesake, slow, tough, and muscular.
This new "Hercules" looks to be the exact opposite of all these principles.
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Actually, I'd say that the Herc Mk2 was very much a curvier, more streamlined Herc Mk1. The Aries is just a Herc Mk2 with soem engines added. A Mk3 could very easily be longer and slimmer, as this one is.
Of course, you can just disagree Zylon. No one is going to force you to pilot one. Promise.
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Its great model! And yeah I guess it looks like what the new Herc should look like... the same toughness with added speed and maneuverability, just like the H2 was to the H1
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You know, this HercIII actually seems like a second-generation Erinyes than a Herc. Even the tech description places it as a space superiority fighter (better speed, less missiles, more guns; the Herc was renowned for it's missile-carrying abilities and this shouldn't be removed IMHO), while the Herc is a heavy assault fighter. Not quite the same thing, and I think the Mk line should fall in to the same role from one generation to the next. However, as a space superiority or elite fighter this thing would fit the bill quite nicely.
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Well, I havn't tested it yet... I was talking about the design only...
About an Erynies Mk.2... wait about a month or so, and I'll show it to the comunity :)
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just wait till he releases the Orion Phase 2 and the Ticonderoga!
must get!
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Originally posted by deep_eyes
just wait till he releases the Orion Phase 2 and the Ticonderoga!
must get!
Ticonderoga model is coming out as the GTFg Atropos and GTFg Sovereign class frigates in the TVWP (no the original textures, but it still kicks major ass.:D)
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Originally posted by Raven2001
About an Erynies Mk.2... wait about a month or so, and I'll show it to the comunity :)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/infv5/techimages/alvesgrid.jpg)
'Nuff said.
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I agree that it is very cool,
and not a herc,
it looks like a fast well armored yet not too agile (slow rotation) figher, assault interceptor
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Originally posted by mikhael
Actually, I'd say that the Herc Mk2 was very much a curvier, more streamlined Herc Mk1. The Aries is just a Herc Mk2 with soem engines added. A Mk3 could very easily be longer and slimmer, as this one is.
Of course, you can just disagree Zylon. No one is going to force you to pilot one. Promise.
Couldn't have said it better.
Side note... heh, the highlights work. :cool:
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does anyone get the feeling we scared him off?
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meh, its to sleek... dosnt even resemble the original Herc.....
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You're either blind or lack taste, or both.
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its a kick ass model, but it dosnt fit as a herc...
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I like it, don't care if it resembles the original or not.
Hell, I don't think the Mk II resembles the Mk I all that much except for the dingleberry hanging from it's loins...
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Awfully phallic terms you used...:ick
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I think it the herc has a nice edge to it.
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You know what? If the front part of this fighter wasn't so thin and narrow and instead was bulky and featured missile points, this would be a Herc. As it stands right now, it's a cross between the perseus and the erynies. A beautiful hybrid, but not a herc =\
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I disagree totally. Where is it written that the Herc designers could not decide to take a new design approach with it's successor? They most certainly could and that happens in weapons design in the real world all the time.
It is a Herc because the designer has decided that is what it is. It may have a twist on the old design philosophy, but it is not for us to decide what it is and isn't.
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Thank you for many replies.
I can understand following opinion. I think it may be right from audience's view.
Herc family must be bulky. Hamano's Herc3 looks non-Bulky. It will not be a Herc family.
However, let me write some my thought from creator's side.
When I developped my herc3, I planned to reduce weak points of Herc2 and give someting changed.
Low speed and less guns are Herc2's weakpoints, so I increased speed and guns in Herc3.
However, only increasing makes invulnerable fighter.
I decided to make some weakpoints for gaming balance.
Missile capacity is reduced from this, but still 160% of Erinyes.
It is reduced but still high, I think Herc3 is in heavy assault category.
For exterior, Herc is boxy, Herc2 is roundy, Herc3 has edges, they all are different.
Herc2 already has Ares as a variation, so I decided to make a big difference between Herc2 and Herc3.
I hope that you feel some technical progress for difference between shapes of Herc2 and Herc3.
One more thing.
I have developped my Herc3 as advanced Ares, based on the design of Ares.
Herc3 looks non-bulky, but basic design of Herc3 is the same as Ares.
(http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/FS/AresHerc3.jpg)
According to this, I think that my Herc3 can be placed in position of a direct descendant of Herc2 and Ares.
After seeing this comparison, you may feel Herc3 more hercy.(^_^)
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Well, Hamano, I've gotta say - in light of that, I think your Herc 3 is ten times more thought out than most of the fighter designs out there presently. I'll definitely enjoy flying her. :)
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He thinks just the way I like :)
On the Hrc 3, I don't have any grips, just a little something I would have made differently: on the body ( red part ), I would have make the back shorter, so it ends halfway between the engine pods ( green parts ). That would stress more the multipart design IMHO.
But, just like TangBoy, I can only like that ship, being biaised by being an anime fanboy :p
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Hamano you need to be doing this professionally. :D
You really did a good job at reasoning through your design (and that latest image you posted shows just how much thought you put into it). Excellent work.
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Originally posted by Galemp
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/infv5/techimages/alvesgrid.jpg)
'Nuff said.
Hmm... yes, I'll inspire myself a bit on the Alves, but mine will be more an Erynies successor looking ship, that fits with the rest of the more smoothed next gen GTVA ships... the concpet is done already :)