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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kazan on October 28, 2003, 04:58:39 pm
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I got a called from home earlier, apparently some bastards put antifreeze in my dogs water last night - by the time it was discovered this morning it would have been too late for an antitoxin to work had he still be alive!
BASTARDS!!
They think they know who the perps were - a couple of troubled youths that are already in trouble for 20 other things! bastards!!!!
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I'm really sorry to hear that. hope the bastards gets what they deserve.
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There are no words to describe such twats. I'm no fan of dogs, but that's ****ing sick.
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Get some photos of them buying crack, smokin pot, and other various criminal activities. Send a nice package to the police containing information. Screw them over.
If you can not obtain photos, just take picture of them and use photoshop to 'prove' they did it. :drevil:
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Holy ****ing ****. That's twisted.
Hey, they're juvies, you know, nobody'd miss 'em if they had a little "accident" on the railroad. Probably be a bit too much to shove them in front of the train, just knockin' them out and putting them so an arm or leg happens to be lying on the rails would probably be sufficient.
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these little asshats are already on probation, have violating their probation - and the Vet ER Doctor is going ballastic and is going to hunt them down and all the evidence
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Originally posted by Kazan
I got a called from home earlier, apparently some bastards put antifreeze in my dogs water last night - by the time it was discovered this morning it would have been too late for an antitoxin to work had he still be alive!
BASTARDS!!
They think they know who the perps were - a couple of troubled youths that are already in trouble for 20 other things! bastards!!!!
I hope the courts make them drink a glass of antifreeze! Damn bastards! Do they have any idea how horrible the effects of antifreeze are?!:mad2:
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Good news- they're on probation already, get about a double sentence for anything they're caught doing. Too late to help your dog, I guess, you can at least get some retribution.
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[color=66ff00]Damn, that sucks! You have my sympathy. :sigh:
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, eh Kazan? I feel for you mate.
Here's to life getting better...
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Damn, that sucks! You have my sympathy. :sigh:
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I'm really sorry to hear about that Kazan, when you get your hands on the Bastards, theres this little trick with cheeswire and 2 rottweilers......
Flipside.
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they suspected perps are minors unfortunately - so they cannot throw the entire book at them
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flipside: im deadly enough with my bare hands and feet
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Sod the book, throw a ****ing brick at them.
In fact, throw a Caddilac at them.
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Even better, throw them at each other :)
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My approach to these situations is to do to the offending 'human' precisely what they did to the unfortunate animal
Sorry to hear the story, Kazan mate
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What the **** is with everyone being retarded to animals around halloween?
In the past 3 weeks in the UK there've been tons of animal cruelty stories, the most notable of which are: An adult dog was tied to a 12kg weight and thrown into a river; Some little ****s went into an animal shelter and executed tons of rabbits, horses and cats for target practice then set 2 cats on fire; And some ****ers taped a baby gerbil to a firework and launched it.
Kazan, you have my full blessing to take a ****ing axe to them. If you plead diminished responsibility you might even get off with it.
Seriously. Just follow them around on a dark knight, wait till they're alone, then jump 'em and beat them both half to death and (most importantly) blind them.
If someone even tried to poison one of my dogs, the little ****s wouldn't even know what was happening to them till they'd already lost a ****ing limb.
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unfortunately i cannot exact my revenge on the bastards - they're a two hours drive away
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Yeah, so they won't be expecting it.
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:mad: :mad: :mad:
BASTARDS!!!
just do like my dad did. Run them down and beat the **** outta them.
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And burn them alive while ripping their bowels out for good measure.
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Do they have any idea how horrible the effects of antifreeze are?!:mad2:
well i'm sure they didn't give antifreeze to the dog by mistake :wtf: :rolleyes:
anyway, yeah, my neighbor did that to a stray cat that kept sleeping on top of his car... that's one of the oldest ways of killing stray cats... they drink it eagerly because it tastes sweet, and then a few minutes later they die :-/
it pisses me off though... because it's done more for fun than anything else... people that intentionally hurt animals are the worst kind in my opinion.
and sorry to hear about your dog Kazan :sigh: :(
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a few minutes? that's one hell of a powerful dose of antifreeze - most antifreeze poisoning can be alleviated if caught immediately - antitoxins can be introduced
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Nasty little ****ers.
*hands kaz a semi-auto*
Go ahead...
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well i'm only guessing it was a few minutes as opposed to a few hours/days ;)
I didn't see it happen, my neighbor was telling me
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wait a second, now that i think about it, anti-freeze is very strong stuff, and if you feed an animal as small as a cat (which my neighbor did) pure antifreeze, it's only going to last a few minutes
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It seems like we need to start a lost pet club...
Take whatever means necessary... We will all be witnesses... My condolences... A picture in your spare time?
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Asprin is a very potent cat-poison but by boiling some pipe-tobacco in a pan of water and collecting the goo that forms on the bottom of the pan (pure nicotine) you gain a poison that will kill just about anything. Cats, hamster, fish..............people.......
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yeah (http://a1.cpimg.com/image/AF/79/24065711-7c43-022B0258-.jpg)
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Twisted is definitely the word... man, the big question I have is, WHY? No one even gains from it, completely seperately from it being a terrible act. Condolences to you, Kazan.
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the big question I have is, WHY?
because they're just like the rest of the sick, sadistic teenagers in the world...
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No. Their drunken dads beat the **** out of them when they're little because of all the pent-up sexual frustration they've got after their 4th wife has moved out of the trailer to go live with their uncle Bob. This removes their sense of power and destroys their self-esteem. So they go torture defenceless people/animals because it makes them feel big and clever.
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I rarely ever agree with an0n's sick crap, but he's as close as I can think of it.
Hey, is that a meteor shower? And what the heck is with all these locusts?
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The locusts are the result of Carl stealing my insecticide-like underpants........long story.
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Someone poisons your dog and you start a thread about circumcision? :wtf:
I really don't want to know how your mind works, Kaz...
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Galemp: i don't have a one track mind - i was chewing on the circumcision issue today much earlier than I found out about my dog - and im two hours from my dog so there Is no use in dwelling on that topic alone
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those who hurt animals are BASTARDS!!!!
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Kazan, seriously, if it were me, i'd beat the living snot out of them. or, at least, gather some more evidence against them on other charges so the can stay in jail longer and therefore have a better chance of becoming the girlfriend of a 300 lb man named Bubba. Those kids are sick, twisted, wastes of human life. And if they aren't convicted, take the law into your own hands.
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#¤%&@£$ Friggin idiots. Makes my adrenaline boiling :mad:
I think we can suggest many different methods of torture for those bastards. Just pick your favorite one.
You have my sympathy Kazan :(
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Ok, this is truly sick. I'd like 5 minutes alone with these d00ds... Maybe I can let Tiara have some fun with them.
No really, if I had the chance I'd kick the crap out of them. This is just sick.
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I believe the traditional response to this would be to slaughter all their livestock and burn their outlying farm buildings. Assuming this is impossible, skip that part and just go on a rampage. 2 hours is a small price ot pay for revenge...
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Originally posted by Kazan
i was chewing on the circumcision issue today
Did anyone else find that reasonably humourous?
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Well. This is horrible. :hopping:
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Originally posted by Kazan
a few minutes? that's one hell of a powerful dose of antifreeze - most antifreeze poisoning can be alleviated if caught immediately - antitoxins can be introduced
Just for future reference guys one of the best things you can do if someone/something has drunk antifreeze is to immediately get them drunk. It actually slows down the speed at which the body metabolises the antifreeze giving the body a chance to get rid of it before it can build up to toxic levels.
Kazan sorry to hear about your dog. I'd most likely beat the crap out of anyone who did something like that to a pet of mine. It's a fact that harming animals in this way is often the behaviour of future serial killers etc so you'd probably be doing the world a favour if you can get them locked up.
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4 years ago one of my friend got 4 Dog's one friday night my friend got home from work and he did found that all his Dog's are dead (Killed) everywhere was blood i not gonna tell what he did those who killed his dog's
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Kazan, I definitely feel for you. In 1993 someone poisoned my dalmation/pointer mix named Ali in my backyard. It was the worse feeling the world. You're furtunate not to actually see your dog turn into the complete opposite of who he was and then collapse :( In our case they didn't have any idea who the people who did it were. The only people we suspected at the time were my neighbors, but we had no proof.
I hope those kids that did that to your dog get the worse possible payback, whether it be penal or otherwise. You say it's 2 hours away, fu*k it. Get in your car and drive. I wish I knew who had done that to my dog.
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j3vr6: i have no car
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Kazan, i really ahte what happened to your dog, and for once, i am not going on the "talk this out" part. if you feel likem going legal, do so, but if you feel that hurting them a lot would work better, do so by all means possible.
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An eye for an eye...eh.
I don't like the sound of this...
Anyway, if you wan't revenge - that's risky.
Unless, they do it themselves.
Ever heard of moonshine whiskey?
CH3-OH is just as bad as it's glycerin pair....and there's planty of it in the first distillation of any palinka or strong booze.
Give them an anonymus hint that some "idiot" has left his own booze unguarded....
The consequences are the result of their own greed and evil....
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mmm, i assume you mean Methanol? i forgot the formula.
but poisoning, _is_ illegal, but so is assault/causing bodily harm.
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Originally posted by an0n
No. Their drunken dads beat the **** out of them when they're little because of all the pent-up sexual frustration they've got after their 4th wife has moved out of the trailer to go live with their uncle Bob. This removes their sense of power and destroys their self-esteem. So they go torture defenceless people/animals because it makes them feel big and clever.
For once, I actually agree with an0n.
[size=0]Maybe the murderers' small penises might have something to do with their sadism towards your dog...;)[/size]
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These bastards have no respect for life whatsoever. If not afraid of getting punished they'd probably beat the s**t out of one another, too.
Saddening stuff.
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I tend to lurk on these forums but this post nearly bought a tear to my eye. You have my sympathies Kazan. Its people like that who really test my belief in non-violence.
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Well this is disturbing...
Usually i'm not a fan of getting revenge, but taking into account that i hate people and love dogs, GET REVENGE!
Yeah, contact a hitman or something, give these stupid teens what they deserve.
...i hate teens. :mad:
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@Kazan,
During my service in GRAF, my usual service was standing watch 4-7AM every day. It was ugly. Then all of a sudden this little pup came out of nowhere and found refuge in my little cubicle (that guard thing). In the winter of '01-'02 we huddled for warmth. I always ate less to have something to provide. The way dogs look at you, is more candid and loving than that of most people. I had decided to take him along when my draft ended Jan '03. Saddly he (not it) was poisoned in 'dec 02. Never found out who did, it though I suspect it was someone superior.
Those who kill dogs have NO SOUL!
I don't think I can say something good right now.
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In good ole Glasgow venacular: ****ing C***s.
Seriously Kazan, sorry to hear it. I don't think I can think of a punishment.
[q]Did anyone else find that reasonably humourous?[/q]
Yes. Yes I did.
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My heart goes out to you, Kazan.
Being a staunch conservative, I believe that the problem lies in American culture. These teens obviously had no healthy backgrounds. Probably they're illegitimate children outside of wedlock and are on welfare. Most likely they've been abused somehow, and they're just retaliating on the world for "injustice". I would say rally up the neighborhood and scour these bastards (forgive my language) out and sue them for damages so their family would run out of welfare money. Watching them suffer physically would be too light. Let's watch their families suffer financially. Hey, they're lowlifes anyway.
NOTE: The US gov't wastes more on these scums through social security than anything else. People who get SS support end up buying drugs with the money anyway, so why not just cut all support to these people and let them drag behind society.
Empathetically,
Rampage
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Rampage, i don't actually agree on your political views, but i won't dfiscuss them in this thread. feel free to start another one or something on WS or NW in case you do want to discuss.
Kazan, once again, i'm sorry for your loss.
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Jesus.... that is probably the sickest, most vile thing I've ever heard of. Shame they can't force feed the perpetrators anti-freeze and see how they like it.
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Oh. But we can.
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well, anyone near them could, or you could, if you could afford a plain ticket.
seriously though, it is very bad to see that much violence to pets, especially from youngsters. there really should be something like a friggin day care project for 18 year olds. something called "mandatory school" or "mandatory community service".
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Originally posted by an0n
Oh. But we can.
:nod::drevil:;7
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[color=66ff00]Actually in a perfect world I think ghostrider esque punishments would be the most ideal form of justice, make the perpetrator (I hate that word) feel every single bit of the pain that their crime has caused the victim and those that deal with the repercussions. Alas in a perfect world this would never have happened in any case I guess...
If the crime's punishment was to feel the sum total of the pain an act caused I'd think that there'd be far fewer people willing to carry out these actions.
Frankly, I pity people who can do this kind of thing and feel no remorse.
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Simple solutions to all of lifes problems:[/u] Dealth penalty. Stop state benefits to criminals. Force the unemployed to build houses and roads. Allow torture of criminals. Have victims decide the punishment.
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I agree with an0n...again!:shaking:
(except the unemployed part)
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[color=66ff00]Death penalty is hypocracy of the highest level.
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i agree, but let's move the politics out of this thread.
i could post a discussion on the death (not dealth) penalty, but i doubt it would live long here.
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I disagree sort of. Retribution is the perfect punishment. As long as it is only done once and doesn't cause a cycle of retribution like the blood feuds in Albania.
Hoewever, the death penalty is often inadequate because many criminals don't give a damn whether they live or die.
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lessee.
my brother get's killed in a car accident by some drunk idiot.
i have a right of retribution
i kill the drunk idiot
the drunk idiot's brother has a right of retribution
he kills me
my dad has a right of retribution
he kills my killer
do i have to continue?
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That was the way it's not supposed to be:
Bozo A shoots bozo B
Bozo C is related to bozo B and shoots Bozo A
Bozo D, who is related to bozo B cannot exact retribution because it does not repeat.
But, then again, retribution is the perfect punishment for a perfect world and so we have to just use prison and hope that the guy's cellmates perform Chinese nipple torture on him.
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To those who say this is the worst thing they can think of...(which is indeed a sad thing), I've seen worse:
The same stuff done to humans.
The strange thing is no one gives a damn...
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I think why people aren't so sympathetic for humans is that they can defend themselves to a certain degree. If their water tastes like bitter almonds or weirdly sweet, they'll stop drinking it and run to the doctor like a bat out of hell. The animal doesn't know what's going on.
Still, I think we should care a little more about humans than we currently do.
Kazan, no offence, but you aren't having very good luck lately are you.:p
Seriously, I hate the "No cruel and unusual punishment" thingy...
EDIT: When they're thinking about the crime, they're like "just a little community service if I get caught", so they do it. If they were thinking "they'll make me drink antifrease if I do this" I'll bet crimes will go down a little.:D
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Originally posted by Solatar
EDIT: When they're thinking about the crime, they're like "just a little community service if I get caught", so they do it. If they were thinking "they'll make me drink antifrease if I do this" I'll bet crimes will go down a little.:D
Or they'll just try harder to not get caught.
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I'm going to sound like an old fogey here, but I don't believe that these little runts upbringing is any excuse. I play computer games, and I've seen Various horror movies such as Childs Play, and yet I STILL have not chosen to be violent. I have known people who's parents used to beat them who have chosen not to use violence on others.
While I'm not behind the Death Penalty at all (even the criminally insane are insane, which is an illness), I despise the way so many people hide behind a 'troubled' upbringing when finally caught doing what they KNEW was wrong.
So these kids ARE responsible for their actions, and while killing them is just one injustice for another, I do agree that they should be made to suffer for their crime, maybe clean the cages in a Dog's home for 6 months or the like, something that will always remind them that they were evil little bastards and they knew they were being so.
Flipside.
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Originally posted by Flipside
maybe clean the cages in a Dog's home for 6 months or the like
Then they'd most likely poison all the dogs so they didn't have to do any work. The bastards probably wouldn't be turned to liking dogs by working with them, but I don't think they ever would be...
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Originally posted by Rampage
Being a staunch conservative, I believe that the problem lies in American culture. These teens obviously had no healthy backgrounds. Probably they're illegitimate children outside of wedlock and are on welfare. Most likely they've been abused somehow, and they're just retaliating on the world for "injustice".
I just lost all respect for you. SHUT YOUR ****ING WHOLE - YOU're ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS COUNTRY. FIRST Convervatist bastards have caused enough problems in my life: loss of reproductive freedom, male genital mutilation, the disease that is religion, wars over religious bull****
Second: While your statement about them having no healthy backgrounds is correct - you're assuming that they're "illegitimate children outside of wedlock" [THATS REDUNDANT] is wrong - i know these kids - they are the children of a divorcee (i can hear you think, shaddap) who's wife became a druggy and ran up his credit cards/etc so he took his children and left - the only way of abuse they may have received is not enough attention from their father, he has his hand's full with 5 sons and 5 daughters
Originally posted by Rampage
I would say rally up the neighborhood and scour these bastards (forgive my language) out and sue them for damages so their family would run out of welfare money. Watching them suffer physically would be too light. Let's watch their families suffer financially. Hey, they're lowlifes anyway.
I'd rather see them go into a mental institution where they can be rehabilitated. They're how they are because their family has suffered - THE CREATION OF SUFFERING ONLY BEGETS SUFFERING
Originally posted by Rampage
NOTE: The US gov't wastes more on these scums through social security than anything else. People who get SS support end up buying drugs with the money anyway, so why not just cut all support to these people and let them drag behind society.
While I agree taht the social security/welfare system is flawed and there are freeloaders - TO ASSUME THEY ARE ALL FREELOADERS AND DRUG ADDICTS IS NOT ONLY DISHONEST BUT IT IS INSIDIOUS HATE LANGUAGE.
you have been listening to Rush "Hypocrit" Limhaugh III a little too much.
You disgust me - never ask me a favor again, never post in a thread of mine again. This banishment lays upon you until such time that you have thought about your crimes of the mind and have realized your error. GET OUT OF MY SIGHT!
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Originally posted by Kazan
*snip*
*southern baptist voice*
Amen brotha':yes:
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"This banishment lays upon you until such time that you have thought about your crimes of the mind and have realized your error."
or till kazan forgets your name, and/or what you said, I know I forget your a fundi untill you spout your C.R.A.P. :D
honestly I figured they were rich kids, they were the basturds who always gave me problems, fireing off bottle rockets at me from there estate as I was mowing the lawn of one of my parent's richer frends. not to mention the stuff they did to me at school, wich I will not go into as it is a topic in and of it's own
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loss of reproductive freedom
Huh? Last I heard you can father as many children as you want.
male genital mutilation
This is being discussed elsewhere.
the disease that is religion
It's not a disease, almost everybody I know draws great personal strength from their faith. Don't let one or two bad experiences with an individual or individuals sour you on a relationship with God, whatever form it may take.
wars over religious bull****
The only religion actively engaged in violence based on the faith is, my appologies to any true muslims out there, Islam.
I have a new nick for Kazan,
The Angry German Army Coder.
BTW, condolances on the loss of your dog. Fry the buggers.
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There's too much emphasis on bloody political correctness and 'human rights' nowadays. The courts are afraid to dish out a REAL punishment to the criminal in case they hurt them.
Example: This business with Tony Martin over here in Britain. Poor guy lives alone in a farmhouse, and a bunch of teenage kids decide to break in. Mr Martin hears noises downstairs and, not surprisingly, is a bit worried. What would you do? I'd do what he did: grab a gun and squeeze of a warning shot. OK, so it was dark and he hit (and killed) one of the little bastards, but if they hadn't been there (illegally, I remind you) they wouldn't have got hurt.
Despite the fact that Mr Martin had requested police assistance and protection several times previously (his dog had been killed a few weeks ago by person or persons unknown) the police force didn't seem remotely concerned. Until they hear that he's shot someone.
Whereupon, the guy who acted only to defend himself and his property is now slung into jail because he had the misfortune to actually kill one of the buggers who intended to rob him.
Over in this country, the law protects those who break it... Is it just me, or is this entirely wrong? The problem can be solved by passing a new law that states: 'Criminals do not have human rights and cannot expect the law to protect them'. Of course, for this to apply someone would have to be guilty beyond all doubt to prevent any unfortunate miscarriages of justice. You might say that the law shouldn't protect Mr Martin, because he killed someone, but that 'someone' (or rather more accurately, 'something') had already broken the law when he broke Tony's window and entered illegally. Hence, the law does not protect the target and justice is served up by a spray of lead shot. And good riddance.
A little while ago, the court decided not to release Mr Martin from jail because, and I quote, 'he posed a danger to burglars'. W...T...F DOES THAT MEAN?!?! Bloody English justice system.
To summarise, if the police can't dish out justice to those complete BASTARDS who poisoned your dog, that means that it's up to you.
As for suggestions for punishments, there's this thing they do with a wire waistcoat and a cheesegrater...
Or maybe high voltage? DC, so it's not fatal, of course.
Or maybe you could dig up all you can find out about the Spanish Inquisition, and do a little 'reconstructive research'... Try out the Inquisition's methods, one at a time then all at once.
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Indeed. If you can't defend your own sodding property, what the hell are you meant to do? Stand idly by telling them where the valuables are kept?
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My advice......
Bury your dog, pay your respects first and foremost.
Then hunt them down.....but don't hurt them....physically.
Stalk them- tell them you have evidence to get them thrown into jail, mentally torture them- its supposedly more pleasing and rewarding than simply just hurting them.
Killing animals without a damn good reason (and by a good reason I mean is it a threath or it is suffering or you need to survive some how) is just like killing a human being without a damn good reason, and such acts are pure barbarism in my books. We're supposed to be advancing past our instincts if i remember correctly, not repeating our past mistakes.
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I resent that statement- Iam a teenager and yet you dont see me going around and killing dogs. I have better things to do with my time, and frankly speaking I don't have the desire to do it (have a dog of my own- left him in India when i came down here for my National Service :()
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Singh, I think you misread the emphasis on that statement. I think he meant that they're 'just like the rest of that minority of teenagers who are sick and sadistic'.
I myself am only 18 (technically a 'teenager') and I don't even turn the gore level in games above 'normal'. In fact I often turn it down.
Admittedly, so I can aim easier...
But there ARE weirdoes who don't seem to understand that people and creatures besides themselves are living things and have feelings.
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Originally posted by Descenterace
I myself am only 18 (technically a 'teenager') and I don't even turn the gore level in games above 'normal'. In fact I often turn it down.
Admittedly, so I can aim easier...
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It's true, it's nothing to do with age, I worked for the Police for 2 years and, although most of the loudest problems were teenagers, the really horrible stuff was done by adults, often to other adults, often who they had known for years :(
Flipside :D
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Indeed. If you can't defend your own sodding property, what the hell are you meant to do? Stand idly by telling them where the valuables are kept?
New EU legislation states that all items that are of value to a burglar MUST be kept on the front lawn to allow easy access.
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Originally posted by 01010
New EU legislation states that all items that are of value to a burglar MUST be kept on the front lawn to allow easy access.
what about us without front lawns? or lawns in general.
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Originally posted by kode
what about us without front lawns? or lawns in general.
You have to pay the EU fine for "Insuficient grass coverage Section(a) 1b"
Damn bureaucracy.
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Though of course, you have to make sure the lawn is clear of twigs, leaves and any other items that may cause your burglar to trip or slip and sprain their ankle :/
Flipside :D
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Originally posted by an0n
What the **** is with everyone being retarded to animals around halloween?
In the past 3 weeks in the UK there've been tons of animal cruelty stories, the most notable of which are: An adult dog was tied to a 12kg weight and thrown into a river; Some little ****s went into an animal shelter and executed tons of rabbits, horses and cats for target practice then set 2 cats on fire; And some ****ers taped a baby gerbil to a firework and launched it.
Kazan, you have my full blessing to take a ****ing axe to them. If you plead diminished responsibility you might even get off with it.
Seriously. Just follow them around on a dark knight, wait till they're alone, then jump 'em and beat them both half to death and (most importantly) blind them.
If someone even tried to poison one of my dogs, the little ****s wouldn't even know what was happening to them till they'd already lost a ****ing limb.
You know what? For once I agree. Generally I don't like violence - it doesn't solve much for me. But the kind of people you describe above deserve worse. Heck if I had it my way the deliberate killing of any animal would equate to the murder of a human being. Failing that the axe plan works just fine.
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Originally posted by kasperl
but if you feel that hurting them a lot would work better, do so by all means possible.
i'm sure he will, now that he's got your permission and all.
hey Kazan, do you know exactly who these kids are? like... where they live?
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yes i know exactly who they - not where they live ATM though
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Find something dear to them, something inanimate, something that they cherish and nurture.....
Vengeance is a dish which is best served Cold.... with a Big hammer ;)
Flipside :D
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can't say i agree with most of you... do something "violent" back and you're the one that will get taken to court.
i say take them out legally. "take matters into your own hands", and in the society we live in you'll be the one that's screwed in the end
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
You know what? For once I agree. Generally I don't like violence - it doesn't solve much for me. But the kind of people you describe above deserve worse. Heck if I had it my way the deliberate killing of any animal would equate to the murder of a human being. Failing that the axe plan works just fine.
I wouldn't go that far. I love Hamburgers, bacon and fried chicken far too much for that.
What annoys me is the senseless killing of animals. If you kill an animal for food then it's fine. If you kill someone's dog just because you think it's fun you really need to be locked up for the safety of the general public (amongst other reasons).
I wouldn't say it's equal with the murder of a human being but I would put it on a par with assult of one.
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So, say, if you had a pet dog and somebody killed it, then ate its remains, you'd be okay with it?
You meat-eating types, so incomprehensible... :p
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Hmmm... getting into a theological discussion about whether Dog's souls are worth as much as human souls would probably get this thread closed ;)
I suppose my own views are against a wanton taking of a life, any life. We all tread on insects, this is accidental, though children often do it when they are young for fun, but even this is taking a life, so obviously it has to be kept in perspective :)
Killing for food is ok, killing by accident (as in treading on ants etc) or for survival or safety reasons (pouring boiling water into an Ants nest, or shooting an animal that is attacking you), and putting old sick animals out of pain are all 'unavoidable' situations.
However, the killing of an animal 'for a laugh' or to 'get back at it's owner' is certainly one of the weakest and sickest excuses.
Flipside :D
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Originally posted by Odyssey
So, say, if you had a pet dog and somebody killed it, then ate its remains, you'd be okay with it?
You meat-eating types, so incomprehensible... :p
If he killed A dog an ate it I'd have no problem with it. If he killed MY dog and ate I'd gut him like a fish.
The difference being my dog belongs to me. I'm the only person allowed to eat it :D
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If I was stuck on an island covered in animals, but no human-digestible plants, I would rather starve to death than touch the animals.
I think I'll leave it at that to explain my views, otherwise I would piss one hell of a lot of people off.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I wouldn't go that far. I love Hamburgers, bacon and fried chicken far too much for that.
What annoys me is the senseless killing of animals. If you kill an animal for food then it's fine. If you kill someone's dog just because you think it's fun you really need to be locked up for the safety of the general public (amongst other reasons).
I wouldn't say it's equal with the murder of a human being but I would put it on a par with assult of one.
Sorry, yeah I did mean the senseless killing of animals. Or indeed doing it cruely if there is a reason behind it (such as for food). Even animals meant to be food in the end can be killed in a humane and painless way (and ideally should have a trauma free and natural upbringing during their lives - but thats very unlikely :(). But killing animals for fun? **ck that. Lock anyone who does it away.
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well, i am no vegetarian, but i do want my steak to lead a happy life before i eat it. and i think that IF you decide to kill an animal, you hsould use everything, not just take the nice tneder parts and throw the rest away.
and killing pets is something else, for once, they are the property of someone else, and they are often very important to people. with killing pets the crime is not just against the animal, but mainly against the owner, the one who loved it.
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kasperl- they use as much of it as they can - the "not so nice tender parts" become sausages of a million kinds
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Originally posted by kasperl
with killing pets the crime is not just against the animal, but mainly against the owner, the one who loved it.
That is quite possibly the most retarded thing you have ever said.
Also, is it Sweet Bread that's just fried bull's testicles?
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Originally posted by an0n
That is quite possibly the most retarded thing you have ever said.
Also, is it Sweet Bread that's just fried bull's testicles?
With a name like that, it wouldn't suprise me. Black pudding anyone?
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Originally posted by an0n
That is quite possibly the most retarded thing you have ever said.
I don't know, I mean on the one hand it's true that the crime is not only in the killing of an animal - it is also in the pain that its owner feels (assuming it's a pet). Some people love their animals as they would family. Imagine the pain of loosing someone that close to you and then have them die in such a horrific way as being forced to drink antifreeze. It's a huge crime against both the animal and its owner.
That said, the animal dies. Many consider animals to be as good a companion as any human. With such love and care directed toward them - it's easy to call it murder when someone kills a pet.
Either way, it's a horrible and wrong thing to do. Those who do it should be locked away as if they had commited the same crime against a person. It may take an animal lover to understand this but then animal lovers are not in short supply.
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Okay, now replace the words 'animal' and 'pet' with 'child' and 'wife'. That's when the true stupidity shines through.
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well, dieng is bad, and might be painfull, but antifreeze is reasonably fast. if i was killed, i'd probably die thinking something about how my family and friends would deal, hoping that they'd live on. i don't believe in an afterlife, so i only see one loss for the person that dies, anything it might have done, but that's uncertain to say the least, and perhaos the pain he suffers in the process. the once that live on will have to deal with missing the dead, which is very, very hard IMO.
sonehow, i find it harder to deal with the death of somehow i never liked all that mcuh, then with the death of someone i loved a lot. the last is bad, i feel very bad, but you know how to deal with it. with the former, your feelings get in your way a lot more.
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Pfff. When I go I'm making sure it's nothing less than the complete, violent and instantaneous destruction of my entire body. I refuse to let my body give up on me. If I still have blood in me, I'll kick and fight and scratch and bite and spit and scream till my bones break, my heart explodes and my brain rots in my skull trying to force my body to keep going.
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Have fun :)
Me, I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep. But this isn't the topic for discussion of how we'd like to die...
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It is now.
Dying in your sleep is the equivelant of being stabbed in the back while drunk. No chance to fight it. You just drift off without even knowing to make peace with whatever God you believe in. You either die or you don't. You get no say in the matter.
But if you're being hacked to death with a machette, at least you can fight it. At least you can make sure the bastard wielding the weapon is gonna walk with a limp for the rest of his life and have back-spasms in cold weather.
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Meh...
I'd rather have a good run in life, then die peacefully. No pain, no terror. Just the end.
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Drowning is supposed to be quite nice after you stop struggling. How they know that, though, is a mystery.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Meh...
I'd rather have a good run in life, then die peacefully. No pain, no terror. Just the end.
You lack the heart of a warrior.
I wanna enter Hell while filled with as much anger, hate, spite, vengence and violence as possible so all those little eternally damned ****s will know my name and cower before me.
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I don't believe in hell.
And I have my own set of beliefs that makes my heart my own. I lean more toward leading a good life, enjoying it and contributing something back to the world if the possibility ever arises. I don't want to fight my fellow man and I don't have any time for the foolish who behave as they do because they think it means something. No space for teen angst here.
But if you want to go down fighting then be my guest. Just don't go down fighting me. (No, I don't mean literally, I mean I don't want anyone to go down fighting me).
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Frankly, I don't care how I die. If it comes as I'm walking drunk and flip off some gang member, then that sucks. If I die because I try to bring that same gang member to God, that's a different story. I'd die for God any day.
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I really wish I wasn't getting involved here, but attitudes like that, nuke1 mate, are what leads to the Midle East crisis and whatnot
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*shoots nuclear1* ok you have died for god
/me places ceritifed Darwin award on nuclear1
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Those sons of b***** should be hung by their balls!
Stick an hot rod up their ass! Show an umbrella down their throat and open it! Give tham a hard shave (everywhere) and use acid intead of aftershave! Put ice cones in their ears!
Stick long needles in their ba**s! Force tham to watch 100 re-runs of the worst sope-opera ever! Use a grinder on their ears!
One should rip off their fingernails, pull out their tounges, brun them alive, rip out their eyeballs and piss into their skull!!...:mad:
Ugh...got carried away...I got a dog too, and I would kill any man who would hurt it....that is - that man would wish he was dead....
EDIT: I don't want to fight my fellow man either...or hurt ANY living thing either.
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Originally posted by Odyssey
Drowning is supposed to be quite nice after you stop struggling. How they know that, though, is a mystery.
i don't know, i would imagine it'd be a constant struggle to get air into your burning up lungs, and that when you stop struggling, you're dead... so i think you'd struggle up till the very end, because plain reflex (unavoidable) would make you want to get air into your lungs
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Something to do with your consciousness fading gradually as you run short of oxygen. I dunno, I hope to never find out!
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Originally posted by kasperl
well, dieng is bad, and might be painfull, but antifreeze is reasonably fast. if i was killed, i'd probably die thinking something about how my family and friends would deal, hoping that they'd live on. i don't believe in an afterlife, so i only see one loss for the person that dies, anything it might have done, but that's uncertain to say the least, and perhaos the pain he suffers in the process. the once that live on will have to deal with missing the dead, which is very, very hard IMO.
sonehow, i find it harder to deal with the death of somehow i never liked all that mcuh, then with the death of someone i loved a lot. the last is bad, i feel very bad, but you know how to deal with it. with the former, your feelings get in your way a lot more.
No, ethylene glycol kills you slowly and horribly, causing you to die from a monumental case of kidney stones. It is NOT a nice way to croak.
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I say that they should also be sent to a chinese political prison/labor camp.
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Those sons of b***** should be hung by their balls!
Stick an hot rod up their ass! Show an umbrella down their throat and open it! Give tham a hard shave (everywhere) and use acid intead of aftershave! Put ice cones in their ears!
Stick long needles in their ba**s! Force tham to watch 100 re-runs of the worst sope-opera ever! Use a grinder on their ears!
One should rip off their fingernails, pull out their tounges, brun them alive, rip out their eyeballs and piss into their skull!!...:mad:
KILL! MUTELATE! TORTURE! SKIN ALIVE! RAPE! BRUN! ARgh.h.h..
Ugh...got carried away...I got a dog too, and I would kill any man who would hurt it....that is - that man would wish he was dead....
EDIT: I don't want to fight my fellow man either...or hurt ANY living thing either.
No...really...I'm a pacifist....I wouldn't hurt a fly...:nervous: