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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Inferno => Topic started by: Woomeister on November 01, 2003, 05:18:23 pm
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Currently working through the 187 pof files and decided to see after R1 what ships you liked, and which ships you don't like. List your favourites for each species in here (as many as you can) you can include ships not used in R1, and ships that I've shown off recently but haven't released yet.
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HOT:
GTB Phoebus (Whoa)
SB Kahlan (Groovy)
GTC Glaucus (Awesome)
GVC Selket (Sleek)
GTSD Odin (Incredible)
EAD Lindos (New, original, functional, impressive)
SCa Shiamak (despite the armament :ick)
GVA Setekh Mk. IV (Creative)
NOT:
GVF Acacia (bland)
SF Scorpion (WTF?)
SB Shaitan (See above)
GVC Sai (Has potential)
SC Abel (way too simplistic)
GVCv Mandes (ugh)
VCI Bastet (eurgh)
GVSD Het-Ka (An ancient, hideous mod that should be tossed)
ACa Akrotiri (awful mapping)
GTI Arcas (blocky with over-tiled textures)
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Hi.
Um.
Some of the models looked like they were kinda kibbled together from the sweepings down at the shipyard.
"Hey boss, what should I do with these left over bits from all them ships we made today?"
"Just throw them in the tra- wait, I got an idea! Let's stick 'em all together and sell them at a low, low price! Waste not, want not!"
No, really. I keep getting the feeling some safety inspector's going to come around and start throwing around the words 'cut'n'shunt job' and 'unfit for human use' and 'look, you can see the weld going right across the middle here'.
Guilty ships:
GTF Menelaos (not too bad though)
SF Gorgon
SF Serpent
SF Hydra
GTB Sabus (NO. BAD. EVIL. Looks like what you get when Boanerges inbreed)
GTB Jotun (Ditto for Ursas... is it something about being a heavy bomber?)
SB Durja
I see these and I go D:
I don't know... it looks like you took the bits that join important bits in previous fighter and bomber craft and mashed them all together until you got a vaguely recognisable shape. Maybe it's just me.
Also, the general disparity in Terran textures, which doesn't really make it look much like a unifed force at all - I mean, exceptions to the rule of fleet colouring, yes, they are nice and interesting and everything, but when you have too many exceptions, there isn't a rule anymore. Compare and contrast with the EA fleet, which is all grey save for the Peregrine, the Stentor and the Gagana, which are exceptions that are interesting and different to the rest of the fleet.
Now, this wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for how all the other fleets have unified colour schemes - Shivan red and black, Ancient blue, purple, grey, Vasudan brown, tan, yellow, EA grey, grey and grey, with extra grey on top... the Terrans just really jar. It's like the Forgotten Regiment of a child's play set - you've got enough soldiers for four regiments, but you need a fifth one and Mummy won't buy you any more toys, so you improvise with what else you've got; and that's how Ruffles the Huggly Puppy becomes Commander-in-Chief of Black Regiment, the top-secret battalion made up of the results of secret government experiments gone horribly, horribly wrong, such as Cabbage Patch Doll: Secret Assassin and the Jurassic Park Dinosaur Suicide Squadron.
Before I ramble onto capital-ship territory, one last thing: whoever designed the firing patterns for the Peregrine and the Claymore Mk.2 NEEDS TO DIE. I suppose, in a way, it's kind of comical how you're in this massive ship with eight firing points and armed to the bloody teeth, and you cannot hit a ship 300 metres away from you. It comes to something when you have to aim a couple of metres away from your target, to the right and down a little, so that you can hit them with your upper left cannon before they hit burners and you spend more of your precious time trying to line it up just right so that you can actually fire in its direction. The Peregrine is better, and is almost understandable, but if it's supposed to be able to fulfil a fighter/bomber role then it needs to be able to actually fight, and that involves its cannons not firing merrily right past the target, wasting almost half your firepower on that nefarious patch of space right next to them.
Capital ships. Now, even though some of the fighters remind one of those stories about scientists growing ears on the backs of mice, at least one is tempted to invoke that old homosexual stereotype and mutter something about their colour coordination being so good, they got to be gay... On the other hand, some of the capital ships appear to have gotten dressed purely by accident. Typhon and Hatepshut textures do NOT go together. Meanwhile, the Icelus and the Boreas look like they've been the victims of falling asleep in the sun and getting a partial sunburn patterned in a humourous fashion. Some of the freighters are guilty of this too. It's the Terrans and Vasudans who are guilty of this; the Shivans, Ancients and EA seem to be able to dress themselves well enough, if not superbly.
Now, not including those mutant fighter ships, the shape of the ships is generally very good. You've got a nice scale going on, with supra-boxy EA, kinda boxy Terrans, kinda curvy Vasudans and supra-curvy Ancients, with the Shivans off in a corner somewhere being ultra spiky and pointy. Some stand out as particularly good; Odin, Lindos, the usual suspects. Others aren't quite as interesting or secksay.
I've been bashing (and writing) a lot, but there is one thing you must not forget - EA, Ancient, Shivan fleets = A1-SUPAR. They are, aside from a few fighters and a couple of ships, brilliant. Beautiful, unique, all round good... it's the Terrans, damnit. Damn screwy Terrans, messing it up for everyone...
Well, well, well. I'm not normally this longwinded in real life. Ho hum.
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Alves = numbaaa 1
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Originally posted by PhReAk
Alves = numbaaa 1
Yep. Before I knoew you guys had it, I made the model from the dump into a pof, with shine and glow maps. I loved it. With it's shiny orange cocpit. :)
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A few favorites
HOT:
GTD Boreas
GTD Oberon
SOF Banshee
SOF Chaos
SOD Segomo
EAF Claymore
EAF Stentor
EASD Nemesis
EAB Gagana (Fav Bomber Ever)
SD Kismat (Fav Shivan Destroyer Ever)
NOT:
SOD Olemus
GTF Vesuvius (odd)
GTF Cyone (useless Primaries)
No offence but pretty much all vasudan ships as i hate vasudan styles.
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Really Good stuff:
GTF Cyone (I used to hate it, but the second time through I loved it)
GTF Vesuvius (loved it since the first day aldo posted it)
GVC Selket (looks businesslike)
SOSB Olemus (like wedge-shaped ships)
GTD Boreas (has charatcter)
Aiyah Bad stuff:
GTF Keres
GTF Chaos
GTF Menelaos/Archon (think they need more polies)
GVB Imset (textures need a bit of work - some dust, for example)
That's really all I have to say - a much shorter list than I expected, actually. I like most of the other stuff, although I think there's a bit too much of it - I suppose R&D gets a lot of funding in INF :).
And oh, the Clarius crashes HT&L builds.
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I found most ships to be qutie good, except for a few things.
Individual ships weren't really the problem, it was the themes of each species.
Most Terran ships were fine, except for the Vesuvius which doesn't look practicle, which is the very core of what all Terran ships should be: Practicle.
The Vasudan ships however, jump all over the place. Vasduans looked to haev moved forward in Freespace 2, dumping the old Typhon textures and using the Hatshepsut ones. But you guys seem to mix and match at will, and this doesn't really look good. The Sai looks like some sort of wierd monster, almost like a Shivan ship, and as much as I like the Asarte, it's texture is old. Vasudans are meant to look organic, as if their ships are like living creatures, smooth, rounded edges and reptile looking textures.
The Shivans on the other hand, while still looking organic, should look more spiderlike, and less reptilian. The Durja looks like a Terran bomber with a reskin, and half of the cap-ships, like the Raguel and Iblis, look like giant floating blobs, not spindly, scary things, like the Vinaashak (fav ship).
The good thing is that the Ancients, which you guys created, have no previous examples to follow. You guys have done a great job on them, making them a mix of Shivan and Vasudan. You could say that this was because they came from a planet near the Vasudans, and learned from the Shivans. :D
Or they could just be Shivans in disguise. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Blaise Russel
Um.
Some of the models looked like they were kinda kibbled together from the sweepings down at the shipyard.
"Hey boss, what should I do with these left over bits from all them ships we made today?"
"Just throw them in the tra- wait, I got an idea! Let's stick 'em all together and sell them at a low, low price! Waste not, want not!"
No, really. I keep getting the feeling some safety inspector's going to come around and start throwing around the words 'cut'n'shunt job' and 'unfit for human use' and 'look, you can see the weld going right across the middle here'.
Guilty ships:
GTF Menelaos (not too bad though)
SF Gorgon
SF Serpent
SF Hydra
GTB Sabus (NO. BAD. EVIL. Looks like what you get when Boanerges inbreed)
GTB Jotun (Ditto for Ursas... is it something about being a heavy bomber?)
SB Durja
I see these and I go D:
I don't know... it looks like you took the bits that join important bits in previous fighter and bomber craft and mashed them all together until you got a vaguely recognisable shape. Maybe it's just me.
Most, if not all, of the ships you've named are actually extrapolated from Volition concept art. Here's the link.
http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/index.html
Personally, I like the family resemlance; but it does look horribly out of place amongst all the Terran designs. I think the problem is that everyone KNOWS what Terran design is, and it's extremely diverse, because each of us has our own ideas of what a starship should look like.
Vasudan design is probably just as diverse, but since we don't churn out Vasudans by the dozens like we do with the Terrans, and we don't have as much to go on, things tend to look more uniform. Venom did a superb job on his Vasudan variants for OTT (despite the nausea-inducing textures) in demonstrating the amount of diversity avaliable in a species.
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Notably Good:
GTF Alves ( X] Make a figher fleet based around this guy and I'll be a happy bat)
All of the SOC Fighters (I just love these things)
GTB Pheobus (Just cool looking)
GTD Boreus (I don't know why, but I really like this ship)
Bad and Ugly:
GTF Vesuvius (just...no. They don't look standard issue)
GTF Cyone (same as Ves)
GTF Meneleos (maybe if more work was done on the model)
EAF Claymore MK II (tweak the gunpoints and you'll make me happy)
GVB Ismet (nonononoNO. It looks like a skeleton ship XP)
SC Abel (I'm sorry but I hate this thing)
GVCv Mandes (ewewewEW I hate this one most all)
SD Iblis (doesn't look shivan enough. they wouldn't design something that blocky)
edit: Oops, hit the post button early. I've got more. >> One moment.
edit2: Ok, I think that's everything.
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Alves, baby.
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GTF Vesuvius: Quite old and not interesting, was removed by popular demand, replaced by the Mihos.
GTF Cyone: Very few liked it due to its firing points and maps, replaced by the Herc 3.
GTF Alves: Haven't seen many people who dislike it, will appear earlier in the new campaign.
GTF Menelaos: Will consider this ones future
GTF Keres: Will remain unchanged
GTB Phoebus: Will remain the same
GTB Sabus: Removed for the Ursa 2 as I didn't like the mapping on it.
GTB Jotun: Looks great not changing either version
GTC Glaucus: I prefer the Bellerophon but both won't be removed
GTD Oberon: Not sure on this one
GTD Boreas: Unchanged
GTSD Odin: To cool to change
GTI Arcas: Unchanged
SOF Banshee: Unchanged
SOF Chaos: Unchanged
SOD Segomo: Unchanged
SOD Olemus: Unchanged
EAF Claymore: Unchanged
EAF Claymore MK II: Unchanged
EAF Stentor: Unchanged
EAB Gagana: Unchanged
EAD Lindos: Unchanged, usually mixed opinions on this one
EASD Nemesis: Unchanged
GVF Acacia : Unchanged
GVB Imset: My first and last attempt to actually draw my own map parts, unchanged.
GVC Sai: Unchanged
GVC Selket: My best Vasudan model ever :D
GVCv Mandes: Personally don't like it either, however don't have a replacement.
VCI Bastet: Removed
GVSD Het-Ka: Removed a week or so ago
GVA Setekh Mk. IV: Unchanged
SF Scorpion: Unchanged
SF Gorgon: One of my favs
SF Serpent: Unchanged
SF Hydra: Could use a remap
SB Shaitan: Unchanged
SB Durja: Unchanged
SC Abel: Removed for my edited Lilith
SD Kismat: Unchanged
SD Iblis: Removed for the Yama, but means we have only the Ravana with a fighterbay...
SCa Shiamak: Unchanged
SPD Vinaashak: Unchanged
ACa Akrotiri: Unchanged
As for HT&L, we have 5 models that crash it and 2 that don't show up, so HT&L was removed from the latest INF build
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excellent decisions... i would have quit this community if you removed the Kismat or the Segomo. :yes: :yes: :yes:
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(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/qm/pub/snipes/erinyes2.jpg)
That's what I'm talking about! More like this!
Edit: sorry bout' that. Forgot it was in an internal...
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Originally posted by Woomeister
GVCv Mandes: Personally don't like it either, however don't have a replacement.
Would it help if this was re-textured? (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,16977.0.html) I'd like to see someone use something I made someday...
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GTF Vesuvius 6/10 I don't like it
GTF Cyone 8/10 good but have a bad primary weapons config.
GTF perseus Adv 9/10 very good
GTF menelaos and GTF archon don't see it in action model 8/10
GTF alves 10/10 my favorite
GTF daedalus 8/10
GTF Keres 8/10
GTF enceladus 5/10 more uglly than vesuvius
SOF Orpheus 9/10 beautiful
SOF Banshee 10/10 my favorite
SOF ophion 7/10 strange
SOF Horae 8/10 interesting
SOF Chaos 8,5/10
EAF claymore 8/10
EAF Claymore mk.2 8,5/10 strange prim. weapon config
EAF Stentor 10/10 my favorite
EAF Aurora 9.5/10 very very good
GVF Apis 8/10 strange
GVF acacia 6/10 very very strange
GVF Ennead 7/10 strange
VIF reshef 9/10 only one good vasudan model and you scrap it :(
GTF Mihos 8/10 it's better than vesuvius
SF Scorpion 7/10 this shoud be scrap
SF Gorgon 9/10 I like it
SF Chimera 8/10 strange but I like it
SF Serpent 8/10
SF Hydra 8.5/10
AF Kato 8/10 more ancient figthers please
GTB Danaus 8.5/10 I like it
GTB Phoebus 9/10 interesting
GTB Sabus 6.5/10
GTB Jotun 9/10
GTB Notus 9/10 what a monster :)
SOB Lyre 8/10 better than artemis
SOB Jotun adv 9.5/10
SOB Wraith 9/10
GVB Petbe 7/10 weak sec. weapons
GVB packhet 7.5/10 strange
GVB Imset 8/10 I like it
EAB peregrine 9/10 very good
EAB Gagana 9/10 very very
SB shaitan 6/10 scrap it
SB Durja 8/10 strange but i like it
SB Kahlan 7/10 strange and i don't like it
SB vindhyachal 9/10 good good good
AB Satyr 10/10 best
AB Attis 8/10
AB Zakros 8.5/10
GTC Alcyone 8/10
GTC Glaucus and Bellerophon 10/10 best
SOC Phenia and Orc 7.5/10 too dark
EAC Eclipse 10/10
EAC Aesacus 9/10
GVC Sai 9/10
GVC Selket 8/10
SC Raguel 9/10
SC Abel 6/10 very weak model
AC Heraklion 9/10
AC Gordia 7.5/10
Cv Phobos 10/10
Cv Alexandria 7.5/10 I don't like it
Cv Ehreos 8/10 good
Cv phobos adv 9/10 whyyy... you scrap it?
Cv Neptune 9/10
Cv Darknnes 8.5/10
Cv Mandes 6.5/10 it's look like a worm can be replace by Pachet
Cv Pachet 8/10
Cv Bryn 8/10 hmm too powerfull ??
Cv scylla 9/10
Fg Damini 7/10 strange but it can be
Ancients corvettes 9/10
D icelus 9/10 good
boreas 8.5/10
Oberon hmm 8/10 ??
Odin 9.5/10
Segomo 10/10
Neaera 9.5/10
olemus 10/10
solaris 8/10
Lindos 10/10
Tereus 9.5/10 weak AA weapons
Nemesis 1000000000000000000000000/10 my favorite ship
Apothess 9/10
asarte 9.5/10
Hedetet 10/10
Bastet 5/10
Tempeth 8.5/10
Het-ka 9/10 it will be replace by what??
Ibis 9.5/10 whyyy you scrap it , now shivans have only ravana
Kismat 8.5/10
Diablo 8/10
Pylos 9/10 bad beam config. on hull
Lenaeus 9.5/10
Warlock 9.5/10
Aristaeus 9/10
Telemus 10/10
Tanen 9/10
Hesat 8.5/10
Shiamak 8.5/10
Akrotiri 8.5/10
vinaashak 9.5/10
Amritaya 10/10
Gigas 9.5/10
Gargant 11/10 :)
Androgeos 10/10
Icanus 9.5/10
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Does that mean I'm the only person who doesn;t really like the Alves?
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I am of the opinion that the Alves is far too small to be as powerful as it is supposed to be. It looks like an extrapolated Ares with a new paint job, more fiddly bits, and less room for missile storage/reactors/engines. But it's still a cool model.
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It's a blatant copy of the Erinyes, with 2 wings.
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I don't actually have how you wanted it to be. I made my own pof of it from the dump, simply because it looked cool. No other reason.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Does that mean I'm the only person who doesn;t really like the Alves?
well i don't like Alves
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
I don't actually have how you wanted it to be. I made my own pof of it from the dump, simply because it looked cool. No other reason.
That is how i wanted it to be. I just don't like it anymore. Same applies to the Daedelus & almost all of the old Reci mods.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Does that mean I'm the only person who doesn;t really like the Alves?
No, I don't like it either, you've made much better designs.
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Hot:
GTB Notus (kickass)
GTB Jotun (ditto)
GTF Alves (Dunno why I like it)
GTF Archon (Much better than the Menelaos
SOF Ophion (weird but cool)
SOF Banshee (awesome)
GVF Acacia (nice but needs reskinning)
GVF Reshef (beautiful, elegant, sleek)
SF Hydra (Good, but needs a reskin)
AB Attis (Really cool)
AB Satyr (its table entry redefines the word "overkill" (10000 hitpoints and 95 m/s!) but it's otherwise fine)
GTC Glaucus/Bellerophon (lovely)
All EA warships EXCEPT the Darkness (original, interesting, and well-textured. The Tereus and Nemesis are my favorites)
GVC Selket (OMG a good Vasudan cruiser!)
AC Gordia and ACv Malia (Kind of cool, but rather wimpy)
SPD Vinaashak (Just plain wicked)
GE's new Tanen (beautiful)
GTCa Warlock (Nice, but the textures are bland)
SSJ Gigas (Evil-looking)
SH Gargant (Mommy I'm scawed!:shaking: )
Not:
GTF Vesuvius/Cyone (*barf*)
GTF Menelaos (*retch*)
GTF Daedalus (Meh, I just don't really like it that much)
GTF Keres (use the Ladiel instead--the Keres is awful)
GTF Enceladus (the Mustang Alpha skin is better--and what's with the paper plate things on the front?)
GTF Horae (Blech)
SOF Chaos (way overkill)
GVF Apis (meh)
GVF Ennead (too skinny and weird)
SF Serpent (*puke*)
GTB Sabus (Needs a diet)
GTB Mehit (AWFUL skin)
SB Shaitan (Why? Why on Earth?)
GVC Sai (Looks Frankensteined together from pieces of unrelated warships)
SC Raguel (a giant vacuum cleaner)
SC Abel (the worst model Venom ever made)
SC Heraklion (doesn't even look like a ship)
EACv Darkness (doesn't really look like an EA ship)
GVCv Pachet (all the problems of the old Tanen)
GTD Icelus and Boreas (I hate the Hecate textures)
GVD Apothess (use GE's model)
VCI Bastet (*throws up violently*)
VCI Tempeth (WTF is this thing?)
SD Kismat and SSD Diablo (Replace the Kismat with the Yama and remodel the Diablo without those things that look like the frills of that smallish lizard that attacked the fat guy in Jurassic Park)
AD Pylos (an amorphous blob of a ship)
GVCa Hesat (the whole thing is awful)
SCa Shiamak (WAY too phallic!)
GTFr Vela (yuck)
GVT Isten (the texture job from hell)
ATT Dallie (needs more detail)
AS Kalimari (here is how NOT to texture a ship)
SD Iblis: Removed for the Yama, but means we have only the Ravana with a fighterbay...
Bring back the Demon then. It's still the best Shivan destroyer around, except for the Yama.
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Hot:
AB Satyr (its table entry redefines the word "overkill" (10000 hitpoints and 95 m/s!) but it's otherwise fine)
-It dies real fast with that amount of HP...
GVC Selket (OMG a good Vasudan cruiser!)
-It should look good, that's V5 of it :D
SSJ Gigas (Evil-looking)
-The new or old one?
Not:
GTF Keres (use the Ladiel instead--the Keres is awful)
-No the NGTA fighter skins don't fit our designs, also the Keres severally outguns it.
GTF Enceladus (the Mustang Alpha skin is better--and what's with the paper plate things on the front?)
-Actually the MA doesn't even have a custom map
GTB Mehit (AWFUL skin)
-???? if you mean the Vasudan bomber, the Menhit is a reskin of the Imset, not the other way around...I was the one who UV mapped, skinned and converted the Imset
GVC Sai (Looks Frankensteined together from pieces of unrelated warships)
-Selket mesh V2 :p
SC Abel (the worst model Venom ever made)
-One of his first so yeah :p
AS Kalimari (here is how NOT to texture a ship)
-was a place holder ship to stop normal FS2 crashing, there was a better model, but I lost it a year ago :D
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GTF Keres (use the Ladiel instead--the Keres is awful)
-No the NGTA fighter skins don't fit our designs, also the Keres severally outguns it.
:wtf: Both have 16 gunpoints.
-???? if you mean the Vasudan bomber, the Menhit is a reskin of the Imset, not the other way around...I was the one who UV mapped, skinned and converted the Imset
Oops! I meant the Imset. I like the Menhit (even though it has a very strange-sounding name;))
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If I was to choose an OTT Terran fighter it would be the Ezechiel, as it's maps fit far better with our own than the other NGTA fighters. Plus it's the best looking :D
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Yeah, the Ezechiel is the best of them all. If only there was a hi-poly version for HT&L...
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Well HT&L crashes Inferno right now so a high poly one would be useless to us :D
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It would make a good poster.
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HOT!
The new beams and explosions.
NOT!
Subach HL-12. (the black parts on the subach hl-12 are not transparent, rather they are a really dark red)
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The Sai looks horrible. I must say I wasn't a fan of the Cyone (it's primaries anyway) and the Vesuvius (seemed way too much like a step backward from the Myrmidon). Why was the Shaitan included with no weapon upgrades?
New beams, SSD Gigas, and explosions looked awsome.
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The cyclone wouldn't have been so bad had the primaries simply been aligned [rant]LIKE ANY OTHER FIGHTER IN THE FS UNIVERSE[/rant]... I mean honestly, who would mount two different guns, often with projectiles moving at two seperate speeds, in an asymmetric configuration if they had the choice to mount them symmetrically. I really don't like the forward-dome style cockpit on a terran fighter either, but that's not why I hated flying the thing.
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it looked more like an upgrade from a WWII bomber than a 24th Century Space Assault Fighter.
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cyone's paintjob = sweet.
too bad everything else about it sucked
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Perhaps the Erinyes could fill a gap with a Erinyes MKII or somthing. It was a good fighter (it was supposed to be heavy assult but i found it a good at everything:D), and it seems silly that it would be scraped right after is construction (it began full duty at the end of FS2).
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and it seems silly that it would be scraped right after is construction (it began full duty at the end of FS2).
Where does it say that it was scrapped right after FS2? Remember that Inferno takes place quite a few years after the end of FS2. I would think that a fighter with that kind of firepower would be in circulation for a little while.
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It takes place 23 years later. The Erinyes is rather old by that time.
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It takes place 23 years later. The Erinyes is rather old by that time.
Aye, you have a point there. Perhaps it could follow in the footsteps of the Hercules, becoming a cadet ship and behind-the-line defensive vessel.
Or perhaps it could go on the black market :devil::drevil::devil:
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The Herc MK. I was kept in service a way damn long time.
And remember, most fighters today arn't scrapped even after 30 years in service. The Delta Dart stayed in service from the 1950s until the 1980s, and some P-51s stayed in the Puerto Rican National Gaurd until the 1980s as well!
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The Ulysses was as well. The U-2 spy plane and the B-52 bomber are still in service, despite the fact that production started in the 50's (and that most of them are older than their pilots).
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But the U-2 and B-52 is only because it filled the role fine and their replacements (SR-71 and B-1/B-2) never got produced in similiar quantities because there was not need to: the recon plane has been replaced to large amount with Satilletes and UAV's, and B-52's still work for a heavy bomber force.
Firstly, there's no evidance that the Erinyes was produced in very large numbers, before and after Capella. It's possible that more cost-effective types were produced after Capella to take the Advanced Space Superiority Fighter role, and we know that there are mass produced replacements in INF.
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Firstly, there's no evidance that the Erinyes was produced in very large numbers, before and after Capella. It's possible that more cost-effective types were produced after Capella to take the Advanced Space Superiority Fighter role, and we know that there are mass produced replacements in INF.
Oh yes, how true.
I've always been a believer of small groups of well-designed and constructed vessels (A wing of Keres anyone?) rather than just pilling in with hundreds of ships. However, you are correct.
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I see you scrapped GVSD Het-ka. Do you have something to replace it, can you send some screenshots of it?
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Vasudans will don't have a superdestroyer?
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Hot: GVCv Kurruk... ;)
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HOT:
GTD Odin (awesome design, I can't wait to see it used. Only hope it isn't wasted...)
EAD Lindos (interesting and original design, but could do with more details)
GVF Ennead (the best Vasudan fighter I've ever seen)
EACa Telemus (see Lindos)
GTCv Alexandria (looks cool, asymmetric)
The SOC Dreadnaught - cool, not blocky.
NOT:
EASD Nemesis (The most ugly, boring and all-round crap ship I have ever seen. It's an inflated, squared-off Fenris, and I hate it. Sorry.)
EAD ?? (taud-inf.pof) can't remember the name, but it's ugly, blocky and dull.
Most of the new Shivan stuff is a bit useless as well, to be honest. I just don't think they look Shivan.
I didn't like the feel of INF, to be brutally honest. Yeah, a hell of a lot of work went into it (it shows, the quality is very high), but the whole thing of a load of massive ships knocking **** out of each other just didn't do it for me - I'd rather have seen more original tactics and situations - I felt kind of superfluous in most missions - Command could have just sent in a few more capships to do my job, or that's what it felt like...
Hmmph. Maybe I'm just *****ing, but I'll wait for release 2 before I make my final decision.
Having said that, some of it was really good, and the new explosions and beam effects are bloody good. :)
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I kinda agree with you pyro. Missions should be missions if 1) you are one of if not the deciding factor to the mission, and 2) The mission is beatable on at most the 2nd or 3rd try, not the 400th like on m13.
Id also like to add to my list of Hot:
GVB Petbe (original and cool design for a Vasudan Fighter. Seems very advanced Vasudan like) :yes: :yes: :yes:
EAC Eclipse (what every cruiser should be like) :yes: :yes:
EASD Nemisis (I wouldnt call it a superdestroyer though) :yes: :yes:
EAD Lindos (Unique original design, but the engine textures need a lot of work) :yes: :yes:
:)
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
EAD ?? (taud-inf.pof) can't remember the name, but it's ugly, blocky and dull.
Tereus. Which, by the way, has a really messed up engine-blast-thingie that makes you spin uncontrollably round and round and round until you get pushed out of the way... when you're not even directly behind the engine, but are way off to the side of it. Messed up.
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HOT:
SODn Solaris - Looks awsome
GTD Boreas - big, brutal and ugly... perfect.
NOT:
GTD Iceleus: It just looks bad (to me), and what's with those pointy bits on top of the engines?
GTCv Ehreos - Looks great but I can fly straight through the front section.
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EASD Nemesis (The most ugly, boring and all-round crap ship I have ever seen. It's an inflated, squared-off Fenris, and I hate it. Sorry.)
The general configuration of the Fenris is cool, and the Nemesis executes the theme much better than the Fenris. It's very nice and powerful-looking.
EAD ?? (taud-inf.pof) can't remember the name, but it's ugly, blocky and dull.
I like Terran ships blocky and untainted by Vasudan elements such as curves and the color tan.
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
The general configuration of the Fenris is cool, and the Nemesis executes the theme much better than the Fenris. It's very nice and powerful-looking.
No, the Fenris works much better than the Nemesis. :p The Nemesis is ugly (not even cool ugly, but dumb ugly) and doesn't even look very powerful.
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The Ticonderoga owns them both :D :p
Though our Bellerophon is better than that :D
The Nemesis evolved from a really old buggy model that was released in that outakes pack a year or so ago, it was designed to be a carrier originally, but after the design change, was upgraded...
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and doesn't even look very powerful
Appearences can be decieving.
and what's with those pointy bits on top of the engines?
It's supposed to be a second generation Hecate, so it would share a lot of hull design features. The Hecate had those pointy things on top as well, they were the Comm and Nav subsystems.
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The Nemesis will have a somewhat different weapons configuration once we're done re-designing the tables. :)
And I for one love the Nemesis model. The 'Fenrisyness' suits it more as a command carrier instead of a bulk cruiser. Maybe the 500-meter diameter comm dish on the top is a bit much, but that's all that I can perceive is wrong about it.
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The Fenris itself is an awesome-looking ship. The Nemesis is a couple of big boxes stuck together with an engine on the end. I don't think it even looks particularly Terran - look at the Orion, for example. That is a cool, pure-terran design. It's blocky, yes, but the Nemesis one BIG block. It's dull, ugly, and doesn't look very imposing or scary. Nobody will ever convince me to like it. So there. :p
Oh, the Tereus has the spinny engine-wash thing as well, does it? Hadn't noticed that. I thought the SOD Segomo had it really bad - the mission where you're killing those three Lycaeon stations took me bloody ages, 'cos I kept getting blasted by it's engines from about a klick below it! Perhaps it was the Tereus next to it after all...
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Ah yes, I remember Woo telling me that the engine wash had something to do with the length of the thruster normals in the POF data. Should be fairly easy to fix for R2 if that is indeed the case.
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It should be fixed already for some of the ships at least.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
The Nemesis will have a somewhat different weapons configuration once we're done re-designing the tables. :)
can you tell me something more?
it will have more or less heavy weapons (like BFSilv)
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
Ah yes, I remember Woo telling me that the engine wash had something to do with the length of the thruster normals in the POF data. Should be fairly easy to fix for R2 if that is indeed the case.
The thruster glows on the Tereus also are too small. You can easily see the thruster nozzles through them. Or maybe that's just because of the recolored TBP thruster ani I use for SIA. That's something I can fix in Modelview though.:p
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One Qestion:
these new ship engine trials file will be in chapter 2 relase or I need to download them from some other FS2 pages.
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Probably need the FS Open media VP except for the Ancient ones, as they are my own custom ones so will be in the modpack.
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SCv - shivan corvette
SD - shivan destroyer
SH - shivan ?????
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SH - shivan Hive
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Just completed Inferno.
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!! 999999999999999999 out of 10 :D
I will confess that when i first started playing, i thought the Phobos looked a little too blocky, but after seeing it from different angles, i saw that this wasnt the case.
All the missions were true challenges, and had several unexpected additions.
End of mission 15: now THATS an ending, how many F****** Beams does the Gigas have?
Overall hot's\not's:
All ships: insanity sauce (i.e. VERY HOT!!!)
Missions: HOT HOT HOT, though a little too hard in some places.
New Music track (Hidden): HOT!!!!!!
Not's: As far as i can tell, none!
Definetly looking foward to more!
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Originally posted by T-Man
End of mission 15: now THATS an ending, how many F****** Beams does the Gigas have?
The new one has around 20, but we haven't done the table rebalance yet so I don't know what the final amount will be.
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SF Serpent IS TOTALLY TERRIBLE. Manticore wass IMHO perhaps the coolest Shivan fighter; fast, agile, well-armed and always a pain in the ass. Basilisk ... well. Ot at least looked like it could pack a punch. But hybridizing the two resulted somewhat retarded-looking, short-handed thingie, which resembles more a goldfish than a starfighter of menancing black genocidial revengers from outer space.
Just ... no. I feel physically sick as I look at it.
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I think the Hydra is worse, that fighter really needs a remap...
though goldfish :wtf:
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The SF Serpent needs to be remodeled to look more like the the cool concept art picture and needs its own maps. You just can't map a fighter with another fighter's textures like that.