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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on November 02, 2003, 06:26:56 am
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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/01/204252
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/
...not that I ever played the game, but I know many of you have. ;)
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It's on my to-download list. ;)
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already seen it ;)
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Hmmm. Good film vs Final nail in the coffin of the Alien franchise seems like an apt tagline for the movie.
If it's good I'll be happy but after the travesty that was Alien 3 & 4 there is no way I'm going to pay money to see this unless I hear it's good. Fool me 3 times shame on me :D
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It depends how they do it - Predator was all about action, Alien has moved through the suspense of hardly ever seeing the Alien in the first place to there being dozens on screen at once (depending on the movie).
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That was an interesting trailer. I couldn't understand jack ****.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Hmmm. Good film vs Final nail in the coffin of the Alien franchise seems like an apt tagline for the movie.
If it's good I'll be happy but after the travesty that was Alien 3 & 4 there is no way I'm going to pay money to see this unless I hear it's good. Fool me 3 times shame on me :D
I don't see how it is possible to **** up such a tremendously exciting premise, but the rumour mill has already been churning on this one and apparently it's going to be AWFUL.
Damn shame if it is but we'll see.
Originally posted by Kalfireth
It depends how they do it - Predator was all about action, Alien has moved through the suspense of hardly ever seeing the Alien in the first place to there being dozens on screen at once (depending on the movie).
I liked Aliens better that Alien. I like the feeling of utter desperation that is in the film knowing that now there isn't just one of the bastards running around on a ship, there's hundreds of them and very few humans.
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Originally posted by 01010
I don't see how it is possible to **** up such a tremendously exciting premise, but the rumour mill has already been churning on this one and apparently it's going to be AWFUL.
That's what everyone said about Alien 3.
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I heard the directors of Alien and Aliens said that if this film wasnt made then they would do the next alien film together.
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The Alien series should be done and dusted. The ending of Ressurection killed the premise. All the films were totally excellent until the whole human-birth thing. Half the terror was knowing they exploded peoples chests to reproduce.
And methinks the film will probably end up being largely from a trapped animal point of view. The Predator in an Aliens-esq situation. With loads of Humans trapped in some remote area with Aliens starting to amass in numbers and a Preadtor or two shows up to start taking some trophies. I mean, if the Aliens are tough, how tough must the people who slaughter them be? They'd be like a Predator magnet, the ultimate prize.
Then all hell'll break lose and everyone will be hunting everyone who's not them and it'll turn into one big Q3 bloodbath with Predator-Aliens hunting normal Aliens and other madness.
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*just watched the Behind The Scenes Footage*
Actually they've come up with a far better premise than I thought they would.
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I imagine that both the Predator and Alien sagas have taken on something of a Red Dwarf like cult following. No matter how good or bad the film will be, there'll be a market for it from the die-hard fans of either settings.
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Two of the best movie bad-guys ever and you think it won't be good?
All it needs to do is show some huge slaughters and it'll be at least on par with the original Predator.
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The trouble is, I love Aliens. But somehow with Ressurection they managed to make a rather poor movie. Don't get me wrong - it was "ok" but it wasn't on a par with any of the first 3... The first providing the sheer terror of this unknown killer. The second having the desperate fire fights and such, the third having a bunch of half-wits face off with virtually no weaponry and such against a fast and lethal dog-alien.
The fourth? Don't get me started. It just wasn't that good.
Don't get me wrong - I'm optimistic about the film. But they'll have to get it right. There *is* potential to screw it up.
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first was Freddy vs jason now Alien vs Predator
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Ressurection was a good film with some excellent cinematography, set design and effects, but it falls to pieces right where they're off towards the ship and Ripley stops and is dragged under the flooring. After that it's just tripe.
If they'd ended it with something like them getting to the ship and it being totally trashed and bathed in blood, Aliens swarming at them from all sides while they try to get the ship working, the android tearing a few to pieces as they tore away chunks of her arms, Ripley running back to fight them........
Then the film ending with the ship launching as Ripley is going knife-to-face with some beasties.
But the whole hybrid thing just killed the film. I suppose it was the natural evolution of the story, seen as since the first film The Company had been trying to get an Alien to engineer weapons from, but it seemed.......hollow, somehow.
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They screwed up the hybrid. I mean, it's potentially a good scary idea. But yellow?
(incidentally, i don't think I've ever watched that film straight through..... but I've seen the first & last half hour a bunch of times)
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If they absolutely had to go with the hybrid it shoulda been like a normal Alien but with boobs. As much human as Ripley was an Alien.
Maybe something like the main character offa MDK. Only more Geiger-ish.
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Sorta Species like, but (obviously) influenced by Alien design?
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Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
first was Freddy vs jason now Alien vs Predator
How dare you compare the two.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Sorta Species like, but (obviously) influenced by Alien design?
Yeah, but with spikey fingers and an elongated head.
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there should not have been eyes
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Originally posted by nuclear1
How dare you compare the two.
i meant like this Evil vs evil
but i am waiting this film
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It was humanoid... sure it had the longer head, the clawed hands and (I think) the tail. But it was to far to the human side of the spectrum. Looking back on what I said I'm inclined to agree with an0n, the majority of the film was fine, but deteriorated into crap with the human/alien crossover.
Now Predaliens.... that might be an interesting film concept...
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I never understood what people have against alien3. It's as good as the others, and I love the two first movies. I agree the 4th one is somewhat flawed. With Ripley's death in alien3, it was the perfect occasion to start anew, using the unexplained elements from the first and second ( director's cut ) movies ( the derelict ). But no, they had to get the ***** back. The movie was a pleasure for the eye, but a bane for the story.
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HIG, you're comparing apples to oranges. Freddy vs. Jason was a spoof on a horror movie at its best, since no one has taken that genre seriously in what, 15 years? Alien vs. Predator, on the other hand, is a classic arcade game, somewhat referenced in Predator 2 (with the xenomorph-like skull on the predator ship) and which is not nearly as stupid. There's more chance for a plot anyway.
As for Alien: Ressurection, the whole idea of a "hybrid" is somewhat messed up. The aliens in that series, refered to as Xenomorphs in several points, already take on certain attributes of the host they grow in. The one in Alien 3, for example, grew in a dog and was more canine in the way it moved (at the cost, we assume, of some of its intelligence). So mixing that with Ripley should have produced your "standard" alien.
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Originally posted by an0n
Ressurection was a good film with some excellent cinematography, set design and effects, but it falls to pieces right where they're off towards the ship and Ripley stops and is dragged under the flooring. After that it's just tripe.
That's basically my feelings about the film. Alien 3 wasn't that bad either but i just couldn't get over the basic stupidity of facehuggers getting onto the Suloco in the first place.
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Didn't the queen lay them there (or on the dropship)? I agree that is somewhat out of place but not so completely stupid.
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If the queen could hide in the cheyenne, a facehugger could too. Never had much pb with that.
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Though it's rediculous that nobody would notice a sodding huge Alien Queen hanging on for dear life to the back of a dropship as it bounces through a nuke blast!
Which raises another interesting point... the Alien Queen can survive deep space (since she clung on to the dropship between the planets surface/Sulaco. She got blown out into space but didn't die. I wonder where she'll land...
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HIG, you're comparing apples to oranges. Freddy vs. Jason was a spoof on a horror movie at its best, since no one has taken that genre seriously in what, 15 years? Alien vs. Predator, on the other hand, is a classic arcade game, somewhat referenced in Predator 2 (with the xenomorph-like skull on the predator ship) and which is not nearly as stupid. There's more chance for a plot anyway.
yea i know
but i hope APV director don't destroy Aliens and Predator Legacy making bad movie about those fighting
BTW do anyone who is AVP director?
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Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
BTW do anyone who is AVP director?
Paul Anderson. The dude who made Resident Evil ( shivers... ) and Die Hard 2 ( hah! ). So go wonder, it can be cool, or lame.
I tend to think it'll be the later, sadly. Aliens on Earth during the current days, for me, it's a no-no, anyway.
Oh, and my geek note of the week: altho it's obvious the skull in predator2 is supposed to be a xenomorph skull, it's inacurate as the eye holes are not placed at the right place "sigh".
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i hope that Paul Andersson remempers still how making good movies
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I didn't even think Aliens had eyes.........
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Alien eyes are placed at the same... place as ours. Take the neborn from Alien Resurection, that's about the normal face of an alien, execpted they have a transparent cranium above the face. The eyes are clearly visible in some shots in the first movie, and I have a book ( Giger's Alien ) where they show the alien "suit" being made. The thing is built around a human skull.
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I'm gonna go see this, regardless of the reviews. Aliens and Predators are so freaking awesome I'm willing to shell out the money just to see them duke it out on the big screen.
I wonder who's being cast? I'm pretty sure Arnold, Glover, and Sigourney aren't touching this.
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Really? i always thought they hunted by sound or something......
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Though it's rediculous that nobody would notice a sodding huge Alien Queen hanging on for dear life to the back of a dropship as it bounces through a nuke blast!
Which raises another interesting point... the Alien Queen can survive deep space (since she clung on to the dropship between the planets surface/Sulaco. She got blown out into space but didn't die. I wonder where she'll land...
Let's assume cold and lack of oxigen don't bother her. At least fo a while..
One an float around in space for centuries...
No food, temerature shifts, radiation..... if that doesn't kill her, nothing will..8except perhaps plommiting into a Sun)
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Though it's rediculous that nobody would notice a sodding huge Alien Queen hanging on for dear life to the back of a dropship as it bounces through a nuke blast!
Which raises another interesting point... the Alien Queen can survive deep space (since she clung on to the dropship between the planets surface/Sulaco. She got blown out into space but didn't die. I wonder where she'll land...
Wasn't the Sulaco sitting in the upper atmosphere.
And even if it was in high-orbit, people can spend around 15 seconds in space and live through it, so I'm guessing the Queen could spend a fair few hours scurrying around in a vacuum before it started to do any real damage to her.
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Fine, ruin all my ideas ;)
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Though it's rediculous that nobody would notice a sodding huge Alien Queen hanging on for dear life to the back of a dropship as it bounces through a nuke blast!
It's not so much that I have a problem with. I can live with the queen surviving for short periods in space and since the Landing gear was pulled up she would have had almost as much protection as Ripley and Bishop did.
What I have a problem with is the way they basically ignored the fact that Ripley blew up the queens Ovipositor and then took out most of the eggs. So the question is where did the face huggers come from? The queen couldn't have laid them in the ship herself.
At no point did we see the Alien Queen carrying a pair of face huggers or eggs, so we're left with them running after Ripley, catching the lift with the queen up to the gantry where Bishop was going to meet Ripley, managing to get on board the dropship alongside the queen and then hiding while Ripley fought and killed the queen. Even after doing that they don't immediately go after Ripley but somehow know to wait until she put herself in hypersleep.
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They needed Colonial Marines. Damn them for making it in present day.
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Y'know, maybe the face-huggers saw the drop-ship and just jumped aboard as soon as it got within jumping distance. They coulda got on waaaay before Ripley did.
And then there's the possibility that the Queen keeps a few latched onto her so she can muster up some guards if she's ever trapped alone somewhere and under attack.
It could even be that the Queen injected Ripley and Newt/Bishop with an Alien directly and the fire that resulted in them ending up at the penal colony was the result of an alien bursting outta someone and scurrying around.
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Awesome AvP This is goin to be good :nod:
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Originally posted by an0n
Y'know, maybe the face-huggers saw the drop-ship and just jumped aboard as soon as it got within jumping distance. They coulda got on waaaay before Ripley did.
And then there's the possibility that the Queen keeps a few latched onto her so she can muster up some guards if she's ever trapped alone somewhere and under attack.
It could even be that the Queen injected Ripley and Newt/Bishop with an Alien directly and the fire that resulted in them ending up at the penal colony was the result of an alien bursting outta someone and scurrying around.
And Ripley failed to notice that she was injected by the alien Queen? Besides if the queen can directly inject Alien Embryos into people what's with all this egg laying anyway?
If the queen does have face huggers attached wouldn't it have been smarter to send them after Newt while she was fighting against Ripley? Hell, why not send them after Ripley. In that powersuit she wouldn't have been able to move quickly enough to avoid being implanted.
I'm not saying that having facehuggers on the ship was impossible A clever writer could have found a way to get around the problem. What annoyed me about the movie was that the writers obviously just said "Hey! Lets say that some facehuggers got onto their ship." and didn't bother to actually come up with an explaination thinking that most of their audience would be too stupid to notice.
Pretty much the same is true of the basic premise for Alien 4 too. If Ripley is a clone then she wouldn't be Alien at all. But the writers said "Let's put Sigourney Weaver in it" and ignored the fact that books (and possibly the comics too) already had come up with a far more sensible way to achieve this.
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for the face hugger, let just say that it was romaing around in the atmosphere processor, somehow jumped on the dropship. as it was outside of it, it had to face air-free environment, etc. We know from the first movie face huggers can survive extremely low temperature, w/o available oxygen, for quite some time. But that doesn't mean they can run around easily while trying not to choke. So while Ripley and the Queen are playing together, the face huggers are, well, simply sleeping. They wake up later, start searching, find the crew in hypersleep.
Additional note: the facehugger implants Newt, not Ripley, originaly. I dunnot know if the scene will be featured in the director's cut movie or has even be shot, but it was scripted: when Newt capsule is flooded with water, drowning Newt, the queen escapes Newt and goes into Ripley ( hugh! ).
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Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
first was Freddy vs jason now Alien vs Predator
Yeah, what was with that movie? :no::blah:
I'll wait till it comes out on DVD. I can't handle scary movies on the big screen, scares the hell out of me. In a bad way. ;)
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Originally posted by Nico
for the face hugger, let just say that it was romaing around in the atmosphere processor, somehow jumped on the dropship. as it was outside of it, it had to face air-free environment, etc. We know from the first movie face huggers can survive extremely low temperature, w/o available oxygen, for quite some time. But that doesn't mean they can run around easily while trying not to choke. So while Ripley and the Queen are playing together, the face huggers are, well, simply sleeping. They wake up later, start searching, find the crew in hypersleep.
Again that doesn't make sense. At no point in the movie did you see facehuggers roaming around on the off chance that they'd come across someone to implant. In fact it's quite contrary to the way Aliens has set up the facehuggers.
No bodies were found in the colony itself because the Aliens dragged every single person over to the atmosphere processor, stuck them up against the wall and then implanted them. Also when the Aliens decided to implant Newt they had to bring an egg over to her. It seems odd to me that facehuggers would be wondering around the upper levels of the atmosphere processor and yet not be wondering around inside the nest.
I tend to think of Alien 3 & 4 as stand alone movies entirely unconnected to the first two. They works like that but any attempt to connected it to Aliens just runs into the big plot holes they've introduced.
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Originally posted by Nico
Paul Anderson. The dude who made Resident Evil ( shivers... ) and Die Hard 2 ( hah! ). So go wonder, it can be cool, or lame.
I tend to think it'll be the later, sadly. Aliens on Earth during the current days, for me, it's a no-no, anyway.
Oh, and my geek note of the week: altho it's obvious the skull in predator2 is supposed to be a xenomorph skull, it's inacurate as the eye holes are not placed at the right place "sigh".
IIRC, he also made Event Horizon.. which was a pretty decent movie in it's own right:nod:
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Originally posted by karajorma
Again that doesn't make sense. At no point in the movie did you see facehuggers roaming around on the off chance that they'd come across someone to implant. In fact it's quite contrary to the way Aliens has set up the facehuggers.
No bodies were found in the colony itself because the Aliens dragged every single person over to the atmosphere processor, stuck them up against the wall and then implanted them. Also when the Aliens decided to implant Newt they had to bring an egg over to her. It seems odd to me that facehuggers would be wondering around the upper levels of the atmosphere processor and yet not be wondering around inside the nest.
I tend to think of Alien 3 & 4 as stand alone movies entirely unconnected to the first two. They works like that but any attempt to connected it to Aliens just runs into the big plot holes they've introduced.
I kind of agree with you, you know, but the xenomorph "science" keeps evolving with the movies. In alien ( the firstb movie ), there was NO queen, they wouldn't exist. The eggs are not layed or anything: the victims of the aliens turn into eggs. There's scenes about that that WERE shot. Hold on, I'm sure I can find a pic or two.
bingo! there you go:
(http://www.planetavp.com/al/Alien/DeletedScenes/a1out18p3.jpg)
(http://www.planetavp.com/al/Alien/DeletedScenes/a1out18p5.jpg)
even have a video: http://www.fileplanet.com/dl/dl.asp?planetavp/al/Multimedia/Video/a1cocoon.zip
In every movie, they keep adding things, w/o necessarily looking back on the stuff that was made before. The WHOLE reproduction cycle had been thought trhouht for the first movie, I have a nice painting from Giger showing it, Egyptian-painting style.
But what is cooler? A victim turning into an egg, or a huge 6-limbed creature that hatches them by the dozen? The same, to me, applies with huggers. If they're not free to roam around, what's their purpose? would be simpler for the queen to implant embryos directly into bodies. I think it serves a purpose to have some huggers running the land, finding preys that could hide or run away from the actual xenomorphs..
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where did you get that picture? is it from the movie?
EDit: if it was in the movie i must have fallen asleep.
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The AvP teaser trailer is... well a teaser. Can't get much out of it. But i'm still waiting for the movie with positive thoughts :nod:
I was a bit surprised when I saw this on Apple/Trailers... I shouldn't have been since there were news of this movie being produced soem time ago allready. Oh well...
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There's also a documentary thingy that reveals alot more about the movie.
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I've waited for this film since I first read the books. Now that I heard the guy who did Resident Evil is directing, my stomach lurched. Then when I heard the plot, it lurched again. Then when I saw the featurette... It didn't lurch, but it kind of grumbled. Ok, cool looking Krull flying Glave thing. But come on!!! TEENAGE PREDATORS?! GOING TO ANTARCTICA WITH AN AZTEC TEMPLE? Huh? Ok, aztecs were olnly around for what? 500-1000 years before the spanish arrived. So how the hell did they manage to dig a temple into the ice? And there was ice there a thousand years ago. Ok, that aside, which isn't really a big deal, why the hell bring an egyptologist? Oh well, I don't really care anymore for plot. If the action is good, the dialogue modest, and the predators given at least a "friendly" sort of light as in Predator 2, then I guess I'll be happy. But who knows, maybe I'll be blown away and begin using it as a preaching example on how good films are still possible with bad plots. :D