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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Unknown Target on November 03, 2003, 01:26:47 pm
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Ok, odd title for an odd subject.
Who else here thinks that Vasudans are really under-represented in the current flow of mods and the stock FS2, in terms of design?
Basically, in my opinion, most Vasudan designs look like [V] got lazy, and slapped on as many semi-blurry, indistinct textures as they could onto a single ship?
I really think the Vasudans need a new visual design, 'cause right now the textures are all semi-fuzzy-ish, blurred, and stretched. They should be more like the Terrans or Shivans, with crisp, structured textures, that are evenly wrapped around the model, not looking like it's a giant stretched rubber band.
Come my Vasudan friends! Let us fight the hegemony of bad textures! Rebel against the oppressors! To arms! To arms!
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I think we should go back to FS1 style vasudan textures. Most of the FS2 vasudan fighters were just butt-ugly compared to their counterparts from FS1.
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Anuket and Sobek were sexay. The fighters, howver, sux0red looks wise...
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Ok, odd title for an odd subject.
Who else here thinks that Vasudans are really under-represented in the current flow of mods and the stock FS2, in terms of design?
Basically, in my opinion, most Vasudan designs look like [V] got lazy, and slapped on as many semi-blurry, indistinct textures as they could onto a single ship?
I really think the Vasudans need a new visual design, 'cause right now the textures are all semi-fuzzy-ish, blurred, and stretched. They should be more like the Terrans or Shivans, with crisp, structured textures, that are evenly wrapped around the model, not looking like it's a giant stretched rubber band.
Come my Vasudan friends! Let us fight the hegemony of bad textures! Rebel against the oppressors! To arms! To arms!
Use Typhon textures then.
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Well, I like the sandy looking textures. Yeah they're fuzzy on some models, but they suppose to look different than the old one. All the "new" Terran stuff is armor plated, and looks it. The Vasudan textures are the same way, but with a Vasudan design feel.
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Use Typhon textures then.
I think that they're probably the worst of the lot. Randomized reds and lights, and it gets rreaaaalllly ugly when it gets stretched (as often happens).
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Well, if you really want a new Vasudan visual design, then you can grab Nico's OTT Vasudans.
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the vasudan textures look fine. stop complaining you poopy heads.
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That the Vasudans are under-represented with coo looking ship designs. That's probably why I prefer Terrans first, folowed b Shivans second, and teh Vasudans last..
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I like Vasudans the most; they're difficult, and I love a good challenge. :) I'd make more if only I had the time. You can see most of my stuff in SA, once it's released.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
I think that they're probably the worst of the lot. Randomized reds and lights, and it gets rreaaaalllly ugly when it gets stretched (as often happens).
Dude, the Typhon textures can be used very effectively - the problem is, they hardly ever are. I've only seen them work on two ships - V's original Typhon, and Aldo's Typhon 2. :p
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Hmmm...... perhaps what we need is not a change in *basic* design, but *more* actual textures available.
look at many of the new terran designs out there. many have textures *specifically* designed for them. Why can't we do the same with the Vasudan? Nico's Vasudan ships for OTT are an example of stepping in the right direction most certainly. Now we should continue stepping on that path.
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I've got twenty new Vasudan textures that I'm keeping to myself. :D
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Greedy bugger
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
Greedy bugger
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Show me some good Vasudan meshes and I'll let you have them. :p
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Vasudan ships are butt ugly[V ones at least], especially their colour, looks like a brownish sort of puke.
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Originally posted by Galemp
Show me some good Vasudan meshes and I'll let you have them. :p
How about I send over some big scary men in balaclavas to take the textures from you?:p;)
[size=0]just kidding[/size]
*runs like hell*
EDIT: Raptor's got a nice Vasudan model (you will release it, right Raptor?:nervous: ):
(http://www.angelfire.com/space2/raptorsnest/vasudan2.jpg)
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That thing definitely needs some help before you can call it Vasudan...
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If we ever get DatDB up, you'll have a couple more to play around with. These are, in my opinion, two unorthodox but clearly Vasudan ships, with a paint job to match. Notice the curves and the multiple textures over clearly defined sections of hull.
The Petbe
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/sandwich/modeling/vascorvette_v2_01.jpg)
and the Pharaoh
(http://www.duke.edu/~cek6/betatexfinal1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Galemp
Show me some good Vasudan meshes and I'll let you have them. :p
*Feels tempted to post pics of the GVI Viraj*
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Originally posted by Galemp
That thing definitely needs some help before you can call it Vasudan...
How so? It look Vasudan to me.
If you have any points about it, post them here:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,18527.0.html
And yes WW, I do intend to release it (and most of my other Terran/Vasudan stuff;) ).
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
EDIT: Raptor's got a nice Vasudan model (you will release it, right Raptor?:nervous: ):
thats not vasudan.... its a terran design mistake with vasudan textures....
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
*Feels tempted to post pics of the GVI Viraj*
;7
However, you are not allowed to.
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Originally posted by Drew
thats not vasudan.... its a terran design mistake with vasudan textures....
Oh really:wtf:? What's Terran about it now?
EDIT: Link to thread posted earlier.
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Originally posted by Drew
thats not vasudan.... its a terran design mistake with vasudan textures....
i agree, looks crappy. :ick
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ikt needs to be rounded, that's all. the head needs to be a tadd thinner (vertical), and a very small bit smaller (horizontal), and it would be good. don't spare poly's on roundness though, the SCP can handle plenty.
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Even without rounding, it needs sections that are better differentiated. The stripes that texture creates on the neck don't help anything, and otherwise it looks like a fat sobek with less texture detail. It's got potential, but it looks a little too much like the sobek for me.
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Let me explain a few things.....
1) Since I am unable to use HT&L builds (I only have a NVIDA TNT2) for, possibly, a year or 2, any craft I make for myself has to work under the old limits (~750 ploys per subobject, including the hull). My Vasudan Cruiser is currently 646, so not much room. (once I have upgraded my graphics card, which might, just might, be with a month, then it's a whole diffrent kettle of fish)
2) I'm not sure HOW to smooth an object, never before had reason to ( I generally work on turrets and Terran ships, neither of which are, generally, smoothed)
3) I, Personally, prefer game play over looks, so I'd rather have something that was playable, rather than looked really, really good, but was totally unplayable.
Case in point, anyone remember 'Mechwarrior2' or 'Mechwarrior2:mercinares'? Both were quite bad in the graphics department (compared to today), but they were very playable. Mech2:mercs was my favorite game for a long till, even after graphical standards left in the dust.
I'd just better point out that those textures are stand ins, just to give it a Vasudan look, until I Lith the model.
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You have 200 polys for smoothing stuff, then. Look at where you can remove polys as well - odd's on theres a few straight sections where it's too subdivided.
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Good Lord, the Modelling Master, Aldo himself, commenting about one of my models (based on one of his, but still....) :eek2::eek::eek2:
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So, was that Saturn ever finshed?
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Originally posted by Eviscerator
So, was that Saturn ever finshed?
Well, not yet.
Texturing on main hull is better, not great but better than before, and it has working LODS. Just needs better texturing and Debris.
And paths for the turrets (subsystems+docking are done).
Give me a few minutes and I'll upload a recent pic (in its thread:nervous: ).