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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bobboau on November 04, 2003, 12:38:19 am
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&ncid=585&e=3&u=/nm/20031029/sc_nm/cyprus_atlantis_dc
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Took them long enough to figure that one out..
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hey, could an admin put the missing 'A' in the thread title please, thanks
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Originally posted by Bobboau
hey, could an admin put the missing 'A' in the thread title please, thanks
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Done. :)
And Cyprus, eh? Cool - that's a cheap boat ride - I may go sometime. :)
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thanks :)
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Cypress? I thought it was Crete, what with the Minoans being wiped out by the earthquake/flood and all. :blah:
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You're wrong, Atlantis is in Antarctica, it's the Lost City of the Ancients and where the second Stargate was found...
What? :nervous: Seriously, though, that's pretty cool. :)
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Originally posted by Bobboau
/*runs off to lurk at the sg1 forums*/
33 minutes later
Originally posted by Bobboau
Atlantas found!
conclusion?
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People looking for Atlantis always make me laugh. Why not spend your time looking for Father Christmas instead. At least you might get some presents that way :D
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Atlantis has been "found" dozens of times throughout history. Until I get something more solid than an island over 1 mile beneath the surface, and directions from a (probably fanciful, and almost certainly, shall we say, creatively read) map, I'll continue to believe that Plato was talking about Crete.
NB - even the Cyprus scientist don;t really believe it - it says so in the article...
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Originally posted by Bobboau
33 minutes later
conclusion?
I'm slow on the uptake with these sorts of things. :p ;)
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Originally posted by Setekh
it's the Lost City of the Ancients and where the second Stargate was found...
With the SGCs luck, it probably will be... :p
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personaly, if anything, I say it was thera
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Some say it is in the Aegean, others in the Azores, off the Celtic Ridge of Britain or even as far as the South China Sea, but...
Those up on their Plato know that Plato made up Atlantis as an example of an ideal society and that it never existed. But hey, why should people actually care what Plato actually said about Atlantis?
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Well, the funny part is that following a series of Earthquakes in the Icelandic area about 4000 years ago, a lot of people Migrated to Mainland Europe and Africa. Because they had arrived from the Atlantic Oceans, they were called Atlanteans, therefore, they 'must' have come from Atlantis :) There are so many theories....
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very nice, problem is that they're looking for it just in front (atlantic side that is) of the Strait of Gibraltar (where Plato and his source located Atlantis) where supposedly a small chain of now submerged islands existed at around the timeperiod Plato and his source claim. Could be interesting, not to mention a show of the power and longevity of oral traditions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3227295.stm
Hunt for Lost City of Atlantis
By Verity Murphy
BBC News Online
A team of experts believes it could be close to unravelling the millennia-old myth of the Lost City of Atlantis and is launching an expedition to the seas west of Gibraltar to test its theory.
Myth or reality? It is said to be a place of beauty and wealth
The team is led by eminent pre-historian Professor Jacques Collina-Girard, aided by the two men who led the expeditions to the Titanic.
They believe that using a combination of literary pointers and geological evidence they have pinned the lost city's location to just west of the Straits of Gibraltar, on a submerged mud shoal now known as Spartel Island.
The story of Atlantis, a fabled utopia destroyed in ancient times, has captured the imagination of scholars ever since it was first described by the philosopher Plato more than 2,000 years ago.
As soon as I saw it I thought 'Oh my God this is it!' In fact I couldn't believe no-one had drawn this conclusion before
Paul-Henri Nargeolet
His depiction of a land of fabulous wealth, advanced civilisation and natural beauty has spurred many adventurers to seek out its location.
Debate rages over where it may lie, with it being placed variously near Cuba, off the coast of Devon, near The Azores or slap bang in the middle of the Atlantic.
"The area looks just like Plato described it - sitting right outside the Pillars of Hercules. As soon as I saw it I thought 'Oh my God this is it!' In fact I couldn't believe no-one had drawn this conclusion before," team member Paul-Henri Nargeolet told BBC News Online.
Plato made the first written references to Atlantis in 360BC:
"There was an island situated in front of the Pillars of Hercules; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together," he said in his Timaeus dialogue.
He explained that the island "was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent".
Ancient archipelago
Professor Collina-Girard says that whilst researching patterns of human migration from Europe to North Africa 19,000 years ago during the last Ice Age, he became convinced that in pre-historic times a land bridge linked the two continents.
He says that by making a map of the ocean floor as it would have appeared at that time, when the sea levels were much lower, he discovered an archipelago just in front of the Straits of Gibraltar, or as Plato referred to them - the Pillars of Hercules.
The professor believes that about 11,000 years ago the rapidly rising seas submerged the archipelago - not in one day as Plato describes, but nonetheless at a rapid rate in geological terms - some 2 metres per century.
If correct, the timing is a match for what Plato describes in his Timaeus and Critias texts as he, a figure from over 2,000 years ago, recounts a story from 9,000 years before.
Childhood fascination
Joining the professor in exploring his Atlantis theory are George Tulloch and Mr Nargeolet, famous for leading the expeditions to Titanic.
"I first met Jacques at an archaeology conference - he was giving a talk, but no-one was listening to him. I think I was the only one listening and as I sat there I started to think 'this is good stuff'," Mr Nargeolet explained.
"He was describing his theory about Atlantis - I had read about Atlantis since I was a kid and had of course been fascinated by it, and what Jacques was describing was a great new way of seeing it."
Mainly we will be looking for caves that look like they could have been lived in and if we find any we will then come back with a remote controlled camera that we can use to explore those caves
Paul-Henri Nargeolet
Mr Nargeolet said that following the success of the Titanic project he and his American partners were looking for a new challenge and that the professor's theory proved alluring.
Spartel Island is a mud shoal about 8 kilometres (five miles) by 3.5 km and lies at a maximum depth of 100 metres (320 feet).
Later expeditions planned
On the first two-week mission, set to take place next July, a two-man submersible captained by Mr Nargeolet will be sent down to investigate areas of the island most likely to be inhabited.
"For example we have identified an area which we think would most likely have been the island's harbour - an area which would of course been a centre for civilisation," the project's spokesman James McCallum said.
However, although they hope to uncover evidence of tools, weapons or even walls, the team will not be searching for the great buildings and temples so often associated with Atlantis.
We are not treasure hunters, our only goal afterwards is an exhibition that the public can see
Paul-Henri Nargeolet
"Those are dreams. Mainly we will be looking for caves that look like they could have been lived in and if we find any we will then come back with a remote controlled camera that we can use to explore those caves," Mr Nargeolet said.
The $250,000 to $500,000 estimated cost of the first expedition is being covered through a combination of private collections and sponsorship.
If the two-week study yields good results they will return at a later date for a more exhaustive study.
But Mr Nargeolet stresses his team are pushed on by the pursuit of knowledge, not profit.
"We are not treasure hunters, our only goal afterwards is an exhibition that the public can see - everything we salvaged from the Titanic has gone into an exhibition and nothing has ever been sold - that is not what we are interested in."
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Originally posted by Bobboau
personaly, if anything, I say it was thera
Ditto. But that's just us...
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I'd say it was in my backgarden. Dredged it up from the clyde 2 years ago. The fish means it's a bit smelly, but the architectures neat.
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Bah, everybody should know that Atlantis was destroyed by the civilisation of Mu, which founded the seven cities of gold, and became the Olmek, and... what? Oups, sorry, been watching too much the Mysterious cities of Gold during my short life :p
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Those up on their Plato know that Plato made up Atlantis as an example of an ideal society and that it never existed. But hey, why should people actually care what Plato actually said about Atlantis?
That is another theory. He never says it is false. I'm not saying it may exist, however these mythical cities have a tendency of showing up. Troy, Ankor-Wat, etc. Also there are arguments on the translation... when he says bigger than asia, that could be talking about asia minor (they could not have known how big ASIA was).
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Heh? Troy existed, everybody knows where it is, there's ruins of it, etc. Of course, Helene, Achiles, Ulysses and all that stuff, it's another story, but Troy and the war, that's not a myth :p
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Originally posted by Falcon X
That is another theory. He never says it is false. I'm not saying it may exist, however these mythical cities have a tendency of showing up. Troy, Ankor-Wat, etc. Also there are arguments on the translation... when he says bigger than asia, that could be talking about asia minor (they could not have known how big ASIA was).
Dude. You need to go back and read Plato. He said it was made up.
Criminy. What is up with the educational system these days? Does no one read the ancient classics?
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C'mon! This is America, we don't need no stinkin edumacashun!
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No, they made us read (*&*& Jane Eyre.
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Great. They found it. Now Dagon or Cthulhu will kill us all.
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No no no!
they found "Atlantis", not R'Lyeh. ;)