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Post by: Stunaep on November 07, 2003, 03:42:06 pm: He cut Saruman.

Damn.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16462
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Post by: Sheepy on November 07, 2003, 03:43:17 pm: if clicking this link is going to spoil the film in anyway for me, i will hunt you down .... *click*
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Post by: Stunaep on November 07, 2003, 03:48:31 pm: well, it's not like you haven't read the book. Right?
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Post by: Sheepy on November 07, 2003, 03:49:16 pm: no actually, i started reading it a few years back but never actually finished, burn me at the steak if you wish.
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Post by: Drew on November 07, 2003, 03:51:26 pm: saruman effectily dissapears from LOTR at the end of Two Towers. (in the books)
he didnt cut anyone....
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Post by: IceFire on November 07, 2003, 03:51:32 pm: I can't get to Anti It Cool but I do know that the entire last section in the book has been cut. For obvious reasons...to do it justice it would surely add another half hour to the movie.

I also felt that with that section of the book, the story was already over. We were just waiting for the end to come. So if anything in that entire book were to be cut (and I had to choose) that would be the section to remove.
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Post by: Stunaep on November 07, 2003, 03:55:55 pm: But I want to see Cristopher Lee! :(
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Post by: Sheepy on November 07, 2003, 03:57:20 pm: ...you know .... actually i wont go there ... its just far to sick
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Post by: Stunaep on November 07, 2003, 04:06:06 pm: oh, and IceFire.... not the Scouring of the Shire part. The death of Grima Wormtongue part.
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Post by: karajorma on November 07, 2003, 04:27:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep
oh, and IceFire.... not the Scouring of the Shire part. The death of Grima Wormtongue part.

Ummm.
Spoiler:
Where the hell do you think he died?
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Post by: Stunaep on November 07, 2003, 04:33:53 pm: blaaaaeh....I meant, the part in the film when he dies. Since the Scouring will not be in the movie, Saruman is supposed to die in the Gandalf-Merry-and-Pippin-meet-at-Isengard-and-take-the-Palantir-from-Saruman scene.
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Post by: karajorma on November 07, 2003, 04:52:07 pm: Bah. He dies in the shire, he dies in Isengard. Doesn't really matter to me. As PJ said he played little part in ROTK until after the war of the ring was over anyway.
This is going to be like all the fanboys coming out to protest that it's Arwen rather than Gloirifindel who gets Frodo to Riverdale. There were all these complaints about it before the film and nothing except from the most rabid fanboy afterwards.
If cutting the scenes in Isengard improves the flow of the movie then they have to cut it.
All of us fans will be getting the extended DVD sooner or later anyway :D
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Post by: Stunaep on November 07, 2003, 04:54:00 pm: well, yeah, that... :D
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Post by: Setekh on November 07, 2003, 07:54:42 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sheepy
burn me at the steak if you wish.

You what now? :nervous:

Actually, I still have to read the LOTR series too... I read Narnia instead. I love kids' books. :D

Btw, I edited the thread title. Just because I felt like it. :p
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Post by: YodaSean on November 07, 2003, 09:58:44 pm: Quote
Originally posted by karajorma
This is going to be like all the fanboys coming out to protest that it's Arwen rather than Gloirifindel who gets Frodo to Riverdale. There were all these complaints about it before the film and nothing except from the most rabid fanboy afterwards.

If they get angry at that I wonder what they will think of the computer strategy game. After reading the reviews I thought it was rather odd. You can have armies with smeagols and balrogs :lol: (that big flaming monster, but I think there is only supposed to be one of them?). I'm sure the multiplayer opens up a whole new range of fanboy angering possibilites
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Post by: Stunaep on November 08, 2003, 03:05:43 am: and what the **** does Expletive mean anyway
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Post by: Turnsky on November 08, 2003, 03:09:14 am: you said it yourself.. ;)
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Post by: Odyssey on November 08, 2003, 03:10:12 am: Nah he didn't, Setekh edited it. It means a swear word:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=expletive
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Post by: Turnsky on November 08, 2003, 03:12:52 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep
and what the **** does Expletive mean anyway

yes he did:p
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Post by: Sandwich on November 08, 2003, 03:13:21 am: Quote
Originally posted by Odyssey
Nah he didn't, Setekh edited it. It means a swear word:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=expletive

That's what Turnsky meant... Saunaep asked what the f*** "expletive" meant. :p

Gah, you beat me, Turns'.
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Post by: Singh on November 08, 2003, 03:30:30 am: Never seen it
Never read it
Only Heard of it
Looks like another good vs evil plot to me
So looks like I will never read or see LOTR either
:rolleyes: :doubt:

Ahhh, the sad part of having a population of 6 billion- everything thats been done has and will be done too many times. :doubt: :ha:
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Post by: Turnsky on November 08, 2003, 03:52:08 am: Quote
Originally posted by Singh
Never seen it
Never read it
Only Heard of it
Looks like another good vs evil plot to me
So looks like I will never read or see LOTR either
:rolleyes: :doubt:

Ahhh, the sad part of having a population of 6 billion- everything thats been done has and will be done too many times. :doubt: :ha:

get a book then.... and read it..:blah:
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Post by: diamondgeezer on November 08, 2003, 05:05:32 am: Rumor has it that Jackson and his merry band of travelling idots are heading back for some more filming, which the intarweb community seems to assume must mean the Scouring.

I might be able to live with the cuts if he doesn't add any crap like the falling off the cliff bit in the last one...
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Post by: Stunaep on November 08, 2003, 05:28:59 am: That's a really bad rumor, then because the movie has to belivered for copying and distribution 1 month before the premiere at the latest. That would give PJ a whole week to do the scouring. :doubt:
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Post by: karajorma on November 08, 2003, 06:52:43 am: Quote
Originally posted by YodaSean
You can have armies with smeagols and balrogs :lol: (that big flaming monster, but I think there is only supposed to be one of them?).

There was only one Smeagol but there was more than one Balrog. Whether there should be more than one left by the time of the war of the ring is another matter :D
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Post by: Singh on November 08, 2003, 08:05:01 am: Quote
Originally posted by Turnsky

get a book then.... and read it..:blah:

*points to his collection of 150+ star trek books*
Already done ;)
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Post by: diamondgeezer on November 08, 2003, 08:17:25 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep
That would give PJ a whole week to do the scouring. :doubt:

No, I mean like for a special edition or whatever. But yeah, it prolly is a bad rumour. This is the interweb after all.
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Post by: Drew on November 08, 2003, 04:47:53 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Singh
*points to his collection of 150+ star trek books*

:ick
nerd.
LOTR tops ANY star trek ANYTHING
If you read the books, you would be happy you did.
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Post by: Rictor on November 08, 2003, 05:24:02 pm: Ok, heres my opinion:

1.Peter Jackson has done a fantastic job at creating an amazing world for LOTR to take place in. The scenery, the battles, the characters, the costumes, the weapons...everything is oh so right. The visuals are out of this world, and barring thr invention of 3D cinema, I doubt anyone will ever do much better than this.

2.The parts that he has done, he has done rather well. A few major things have been changed there, but if the books were just those parts I would be much more forgiving. Well, except for the whole Arwen deal, which is going to freaking far for no obvious reason. If it (the expanded role) is, as I think, only to accomodate Liv Tyler's ego, then you could just as easily hire another actress who would most likely do a better job at acting the role.

3.He has cut out far too much. Yes, I understand that a movie can't be 6 hours long, but without the parts that were cut, you don't get the full exprience. The cuts were made to accomodate the casual watcher (aka the unwashed masses, aka the Harry Potter crowd), because I can almost gaurantee that no one who has read the books would mind an extra 1/2 - 1 hour for each movie. The more, the better. And if you are the type to get bored by the greatest fantasy story ever told, then you quite frankly don't deserve to be watching. This may sound fanatical, but its like the London Symphony Orchestra adding turn-tables to their line-up in order to draw in the younger crowd.

Without having seen the last movie yet, I have actually enjoyed the first two alot, and I don't think I'll be overly disapointed. The movies have been "very good" as opposed to "excellent", so its not like its a catastrophe or something. However, one day, when I get rich, I'm gonna remake the LOTR trilogy (not to mention the Hobbit and the Silmarillion (that would be like a 20 hour movie)) as it should be.

Well, that was my little rant, now I'm off to [l]stalk Peter Jackson[/l] watch the Two Towers again (no, I am not a wierdo, this will only be my second time watching the movie, the first was in theatres)
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Post by: Rictor on November 08, 2003, 05:36:09 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Singh
Never seen it
Never read it
Only Heard of it
Looks like another good vs evil plot to me
So looks like I will never read or see LOTR either
:rolleyes: :doubt:

Ahhh, the sad part of having a population of 6 billion- everything thats been done has and will be done too many times. :doubt: :ha:

Do yourself an enourmous favour and go out and get the books. If you find them to be too bland (I seriously doubt you will) then go out and get the Silmarillion. As far as I know, there is no modern fantasy book that even approaches the scope of the Silmarillion. Basically, its like Tolkien inveneted and entire new world, complete with gods and nations, ethnic groups and myths, everything...everything.

Summary: Starting from the creation of Middle-Earth (or more correctly, Ea) The Silmarillion spans several thousand years and introduces you to the world as it was in the old days. I really can't sum it up in a few sentences (or a few pages) but the cast of characters is much more epic, such as Gods (Valar), demi-gods (Maiar, such as Sauron), Elven kings (very cool, tres powerful) and tons more. The best description would be to say thats its many times more epic than LOTR or the Hobbit. Go buy it...now...

____

Oh and, as far as I know, the one in Moria was the last Balrog left alive. If you think about it, there isn't any place else left for them to hide (well, maybe in the North or in the Blue Mountains)
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Post by: Stunaep on November 09, 2003, 04:41:32 am: Quote
Originally posted by Rictor

3.He has cut out far too much. Yes, I understand that a movie can't be 6 hours long, but without the parts that were cut, you don't get the full exprience. The cuts were made to accomodate the casual watcher (aka the unwashed masses, aka the Harry Potter crowd), because I can almost gaurantee that no one who has read the books would mind an extra 1/2 - 1 hour for each movie. The more, the better. And if you are the type to get bored by the greatest fantasy story ever told, then you quite frankly don't deserve to be watching. This may sound fanatical, but its like the London Symphony Orchestra adding turn-tables to their line-up in order to draw in the younger crowd.

*ahem* special edition *ahem*
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Post by: Dark_4ce on November 09, 2003, 04:59:58 am: Yeah, the Silmarillion is the Middle-Earth bible. I'm not kidding. It tells the whole history of it and in a fashion reminicent of the bible. Still a good read though. But thats one book NO one will ever make a movie on.
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Post by: diamondgeezer on November 09, 2003, 12:50:37 pm: Why not? There've been plenty of movies made from Biblical stories...
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Post by: TrashMan on November 09, 2003, 01:00:20 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Rictor

Do yourself an enourmous favour and go out and get the books. If you find them to be too bland (I seriously doubt you will) then go out and get the Silmarillion. As far as I know, there is no modern fantasy book that even approaches the scope of the Silmarillion. Basically, its like Tolkien inveneted and entire new world, complete with gods and nations, ethnic groups and myths, everything...everything.

Summary: Starting from the creation of Middle-Earth (or more correctly, Ea) The Silmarillion spans several thousand years and introduces you to the world as it was in the old days. I really can't sum it up in a few sentences (or a few pages) but the cast of characters is much more epic, such as Gods (Valar), demi-gods (Maiar, such as Sauron), Elven kings (very cool, tres powerful) and tons more. The best description would be to say thats its many times more epic than LOTR or the Hobbit. Go buy it...now...

____

Oh and, as far as I know, the one in Moria was the last Balrog left alive. If you think about it, there isn't any place else left for them to hide (well, maybe in the North or in the Blue Mountains)

that's where you are wrong...

Eru is the God...

Valars are sore like angels (or Demi-gods)
Maiar are demi-demi-gods

...

It's nowhere stated how many Barlogs survived Morgoths fall.....
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Post by: Nico on November 09, 2003, 02:23:34 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Yeah, the Silmarillion is the Middle-Earth bible. I'm not kidding. It tells the whole history of it and in a fashion reminicent of the bible. Still a good read though. But thats one book NO one will ever make a movie on.

would make a cool TV series if you ask me, tho.
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Post by: diamondgeezer on November 09, 2003, 03:13:33 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TrashMan
that's where you are wrong...

Eru is the God...

Valars are sore like angels (or Demi-gods)
Maiar are demi-demi-gods

Not exactly. Eru Illuvatar is the all-father and is the guy that runs the universe. He makes all the rules. The Valar are gods, but are more accurately called the Powers. They are those of Illuvatar's children that went down to Earth to govern it. They have huge power in Earth, but their powers and their fates are bound up in it. The Maiar are angels - messengers and servants of the Valar. Lastly, the Balrogs are demons, of the same race as the maiar but of lesser power. And that's how it's done.
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Post by: Sandwich on November 09, 2003, 03:20:44 pm: :nervous:

....So! Did anyone see Attack of the Clones? Corny, huh? :shaking:

:nervous:
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Post by: diamondgeezer on November 09, 2003, 04:35:06 pm: :wtf:

[Predator] Want some candy? [/Predator]
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Post by: Rictor on November 09, 2003, 05:12:23 pm: Well the Valar are gods in the way that the ancient Greeks had a pantheon of gods. They are the greatest powers on Middle-Earth, excluding Eru, who is not really bound to Ea.

Slightly OT, I for one for really love to know a bit more about the 2 Istari (Pallando and uhmm..another guy) who traveled into the East (Harad) to do whatever. For that matter, I'de love to know about Harad and Umbar and the people there. Unfortunately, death is permanent so it looks like this will remain a subject for anyone wishing to do fan-fiction.

As for the Silmarillion, it could be done justice as a 3-5 part movie series. Just think of all the possibilities..the fall of Gondolin, the War of Wrath, Fingolfin vs Morgoth

*drool*
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Post by: diamondgeezer on November 09, 2003, 05:16:05 pm: Yes yes yes indeed, a series might do the Silmarilion justice. Each major bit in its own episode with some of the minor fillers jammed in around them. Though how you'd realise the music if the Valar I don't know.
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Post by: Flipside on November 09, 2003, 08:28:02 pm: Well, I seem to recall that Tolkein was planning to do a Dwarven version of the Silmarillon, but went and died.

What I'd love to see now is someone take on Magician by Raymond Feist :)