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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Raven2001 on November 18, 2003, 12:34:10 pm
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Ok, three more fighters...
The SDF Gefjon, Sol Dominion's Heavy fighter
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Gefjon 1.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Gefjon 2.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Gefjon 3.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Gefjon 4.jpg)
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The Aurvandil, Sol's Interceptor:
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Aurvandil 1.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Aurvandil 2.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Aurvandil 3.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Aurvandil 4.jpg)
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Hydralisks invade the Freespace universe!!! :p
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And finally, the Gwidion, Sol's Elite Fighter:
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Gwidion 1.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Gwidion 2.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Gwidion 3.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Raven/CIMShipPics/Gwidion 4.jpg)
Drop your feedback below...
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you know the comment on the last one, probably.
the first two are fine examples of vertical designs that don't look like a......
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please don't make the "gods" close another thread due to childish beahviour.... :rolleyes:
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i didn't mention the word.
and really, it just looks off. the large ball seems out of place, i'd suggest adding more detail, and make it a bit smaller, perhaps make it look more mechanicle
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I'll think about it... maybe with this particular main hull some changes won't hurt...
But don't take it for certain! I'll THINK about it... :)
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i think they look nice good work Raven:) :yes:
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First two....very nice
thirds...well give the lower stuff a different shape..maybe something like the other two have...or put in there some quite big rocketluncher.
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The first two are okay, but the third has a bad case of penis syndrome. Make the bottom more like the Aurvandil and change the Gatling guns to something less silly.
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It's been said before, but I want to hammer this home. The first two are great examples of verticality that's not 'suggestive.' The third is not.
That said, I like the vertical aspect of them, but it seems kind of unneccesary. If the lower struts were mounting a vertical strip of guns, thrusters, or missile tubes, it would seem like they were more part of the hull and not just welded on because you wanted a vertical design scheme.
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Sorry, I don't like those 'fins' sticking out the bottom. They seem to have no vital functions and it disrupts the flow of the design in my opinion.
I like the fighters for the most part but the fins kill it for me. If more fighters look like this it would really deduct from the playing experience for me.
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The first one looks good. The second is fine. The third needs 'altering' to look sensible.
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I agree. The first two look great, expecially the first one.
The last one however, needs some altering. This has NOTHING at all to do with the implied shape or whatever, its just that I don't see the point of having the big knob on the end. It doesn't git the design characteristic of the other parts of the ship as well as the first 2 ships.
Overall. very nice. I'm really a sucker for your models man, they rock..
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Good work. I like.
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The first one is rockin. Great work on it. The rest need more refining.
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First one: :doubt: that vertical makes it look weird
Second one: hmm hard to tell, bad screenies; the vertical on this one looks good :)
third one: get rid of that umm... thing, entirely
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First one = :yes:
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Texture them! That's an order!
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alright...all immature jokes aside, the third one needs serious work. From a purely visual standpoint, the lower strut on that one is very un-balancing to the design, as it draws focus away from the main hull of the ship (despite being phallic). It is also relatively un-detailed, and seems to serve no real purpose at all. In the other two ships, their verticle fin/protrusions had some function/detail. I thought the little lower fins looked cool. And the other one has an engine on the lower part, which would look awesome flying. However the 3rd one's serves no real purpose and is intrusive on the design. It also looks slow and lumbering. More like a bomber than an elite fighter. In fact if you put missile bays on the sides of that protrusion (lower down to avoid more jokes, and perhaps thin it up a bit on the bottom too), it'd make a cool medium bomber.
Also, although you may not give a rip weither your ship has a giant wang, remember that ultamately we (the members of the FS2 community) are your audience, and do you really want to remember CIM as that one campaign with the ships with the wangs?
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1st and 2nd are cool. no comment on #3
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Originally posted by TheCelestialOne They seem to have no vital functions
i think the third ones function is quite vital ;7 :D :rolleyes:
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first two great, last one... not
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Originally posted by Bobboau
first two great, last one... not
Exactly, modify the 3rd one
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I love verticle designs. We see so few of them, and they really add variety.
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The, um, "fin" on the third one looks out of place. The first one is okay, but the second one is designated as an interceptor. This being the case you need to lengthen it. It doesn't look fast.
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(http://members.iinet.net.au/~meloury/devils_hitman/haha.jpg)
I mean COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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You pump out meshes like a rabbit! I'm curious, where do these all go to? I've seen dozens of your meshes, but hardly any actual releases. :nervous:
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Setekh.. I hate to be the one to mention this... but do you realise how last with innuendo your last post is? ;)
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Originally posted by Setekh
You pump out meshes like a rabbit! I'm curious, where do these all go to? I've seen dozens of your meshes, but hardly any actual releases. :nervous:
Oh?? that was aimed at me wasnt it, i see now ;7
so sorry i didnt realise anyone wanted the models, i'll post a few in 3ds then. :doubt:
Bloody valtures!!!.
Anyways my ones are for my mod, i never intended to release them or port them to fs2 :lol:
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Originally posted by Devils_Hitman
I mean COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Exactly :doubt:
Ow and Hitman, check your PM box ;)
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If they're all wang-ships, it's marginally less odd as it can be taken as a design-feature of all the ships in the fleet.
It's still pretty ****ing wierd though.
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Gatling guns!:wink: ...luv them
Firts one - excellent, but make the fin shorter.
Second one - great, have no other comments
Third one - great looking front part, really bad "fin", back of engines could look better.
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Originally posted by Devils_Hitman
*snip*
I mean COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
It's still not all that wang-like. Definitely not as phallic as the Gwidion and the Njord.
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1 and 2: very nice
3: I suppose the um, "lump" on the end could be a radar housing.
Kinda like the radar anti-sub choppers carry. (well Brit Sea Kings and Lynx' anyway)
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PENIS!
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I wonder wherever you saw a penis that looked like that.:p
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::checks pants::
now.
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Well, than I'm sorry for you.:D
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Theres this lotion.....
Anyway, I'll stop before I get the thread closed :D
I like the models, though, you do not need me to point out the obvious conclusions people are going to jump to if you don't do a really good texture job. If it hadn't been mentioned, I doubt I would have noticed really.
Flipside :D
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Raven, why don't you just break down and listen to people's suggestions, and change/remove the damn cocks?
I mean, seriously, they add almost nothing to any of the ship's functionality, and it makes the entire ship look, like, well, a dick with balls!
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And I refuse to voice act...
'My God command! They're hung like donkeys!'
Sorry :D
Flipside :D
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Originally posted by Flipside
And I refuse to voice act...
'My God command! They're hung like donkeys!'
Sorry :D
Flipside :D
My desire to play any campaign with either, (a) these models (b) that particular piece of voice acting (c) a fantastic combination of the two, has increased tenfold due to my laughter at this post.
I might even be inclined to learn a skill that would help said campaign.
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:lol:
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okay, i gotta ask this so if Dark would make that kind model would peoples then laugh? i think not lesson is this every body has own desing taste:)and peoples grow up
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The modelwork itself is excellent, and, as has been mentioned before, if it had been textured, no-one would have noticed, but people are looking for it now.
Flipside :D
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Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
okay, i gotta ask this so if Dark would make that kind model would peoples then laugh? i think not lesson is this every body has own desing taste:)and peoples grow up
If Dark made a penis fighter, I would criticize it and ask him to get rid of the giant wang on the bottom. Which is what I did when I saw the Njord and Gwidion. I was laughing at 01010's remarks.
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Originally posted by Flipside
If it hadn't been mentioned, I doubt I would have noticed really.
do you really expect us to believe that ?! :D
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I wonder what the capships look like. :D
"Hehe, a penis. Hehe." --- Beavis
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Lol, the cap ships.
I swear, if you guys make them big and triangular :D :P
Sorry, but it LOOKS LIKE A FREAKING DICK. Either A) Listen to what everybody's saying, and fix the dicks, or B) Don't post them until they're textured, and the dickiness has been lestened to the extent where it's not so...'pronounced'.
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... One question, what is the actual problem? You’re all bloody homophobes, this has to be one of the most homophobic communities around.
I really do pity you that ***** and moan about it so much, and wonder how you make it through life without falling into girlish fits of pathetic childish giggling at the slightest hint of anything sexual, or reeling in disgust because mommy said you were so god damn special and sheltered you from all the bad things in life.
Well let me tell you something, mommy lied!
Give the guy some credit, not many people are making meshes these days, I would think you would be thankful for anything that people make these days, but instead you throw immature insult after immature insult at him in a vain attempt to get noticed, but in the end it makes you look dumb and degrades the boards.
Grow up!
(I’m going to regret that in the morning)
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What's so homophobic about pointing out that it looks like a penis? Nobody is afraid of a cockfighter, it just looks silly. Look up the word before you use it. :blah:
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I saw very few insults, I happen to like the designs, they just look like cocks to be fair. I don't see how it's homophobic.
::Edit::
Me and KT on the same wavelength.
:nervous:
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Don't worry, I tend to be on a lot of wavelengths these days.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Don't worry, I tend to be on a lot of wavelengths these days.
I was more concerned for you really. I don't think it's healthy to think like me.
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Homophobic is being afraid of dropping the soap in prizon, laughing at a penis is not, i mean...most of us have one right.
(except the wemon(s) of cource, but im sure they'll laugh too anyways.)
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There's a point where it's funny, and a point when it's totally out of hand.
One person saying it looks like a cock is funny.
20 people making a 2 page rant of "Ahh! It looks like a dick! Change it" is not only out of line, but incredibly annoying and immature.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
What's so homophobic about pointing out that it looks like a penis? Nobody is afraid of a cockfighter, it just looks silly. Look up the word before you use it. :blah:
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
There's a point where it's funny, and a point when it's totally out of hand.
One person saying it looks like a cock is funny.
20 people making a 2 page rant of "Ahh! It looks like a dick! Change it" is not only out of line, but incredibly annoying and immature.
Well there's "Hehe, it's a penis! err.. get it off! Mommy!" vs. Actually critiquing the design and not liking because it looks silly to have a ship with or so similar looking to a wang. There's a big difference and by calling one of them the same, you're only going to make things worse.
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#1.) Looks like it has a leg attached to it or something. Looks strange. I'd make it thinner, change the angle so it faces more back.
#2.) Aah, a "fin" that looks cool, and seems to serve a purpose as a stabalizer or something. This ship looks cool.
#3.) Did someone stab that fighter with a huge pencil with one of those big erasers on it? (Hey, at least I came up with an original description for it. =P ) Just, no. It's bigger than the fighter itself and just looks wrong. Get rid of it.
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The first two are an excellent use of vertical design aesthetically. They seem to be somewhat functionless, but they look pretty good just the same. The third, well, the third still has the exact same extrusion with a bulge at the bottom as the Njord. (So similar in fact it makes me think you just changed the fighter part on top). We didn't like it then, we don't like it now, and not only does it look hopelessly out of place on both designs because of its immense size but it also raises some major concerns about the flight performance of said vehicles. In reality, if they are going into Freespace, the game won't know any differently and would break if you tried to effectively simulate it. But with the giant... thing... the center of mass would be so far behind and below the pilot that manuvering the ship so that its guns actually were aiming correctly would be harder than I think you realize. It would rotate about a point fully outside of the main hull, which makes little enough sense for a combat spacecraft, but the guns on both models are far too distant from that point to effectively track a target through a turn. And you can forget lining up your shot, as it would require precise control over pitch, yaw, and bank at the same time, a thing for which there is absolutely no natural control configuration without the use of your feet. Slender that sucker down, a lot, and it will look pretty good.
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1st: I'm really tired of hearing kiddie stupidities in my threads, of reading 2 pages that say exactly the same on each line, and in useless english... if I wanna read again, I don't need you to write again
2nd: I'm really really tired of hearing people say that *WE* don't like it and I should listen to your suggestions, when some, although very few, people have shown to like it... don't use the plural when it is not true... and I DID listen to your suggestions, otherwise the Gefjon and the Aurvandil would have the same kind of "fin" as the Njord...
3rd: I'm really really really tired of hearing people speak about the Physics of a ship when this is a game, when people speak about functionality that I already explained...
4th: I'm really really really really tired of people seeing penis' everywhere (not only the Njord and Gwidion, but also the Gefjon and a cruiser WIP mikhael made... that just adds up to the immaturity status of most of you...)... Sheepy said it all about it... oh and for those who talk about only showing these models textured I only have to say that I'd love to see them textured and that if you guys have such imagination to imagine penis' everywhere, you should have enough imagination to imagine the ships textured... with DECENT textures that is...
Finally... you are lucky, I didn't think that kind of "fin" didn't fit the Gwidion from the first time, so I changed it. But I wanted to check if you learnt or grew up a bit since the Njord... the answer is NO obviously...
I hope you like the new fin... the Njord will not be changed though
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you guys have such imagination to imagine penis' everywhere, you should have enough imagination to imagine the ships textured...
A frightening number of people will probably imagine this ship with flesh textures.
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*beats woolie with a lead pipe*
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
A frightening number of people will probably imagine this ship with flesh textures.
A frightening number of people are hopeless, just like you...
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Dude. If you didn't want to hear peoples opinions, you shouldn't have posted the pictures.
I'd say the response was mostly positive.
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Raven you're misinterpreting a lot. You knew what kind of response you were going to get, and now you're pissed off about it. Calm down a little, sort out the garbage, and go on.
As for my post, which you obviously don't seem to like, I stand by the technical hurdles I was complaining about (although it now only applies to the Njord). Guns should be as close as possible to the axis of rotation, period. That's what makes models like the Claymore mk.II and even the Ursa a pain because the shots come out so far out of line with the centerline of your ship. Freespace will be more than willing to let you place said axis way, way above what should be the center of mass, behind the cockpit where presumably you'd want it, so you won't run in to any true technical hurdles with the game and the guns will line up just fine. It just doesn't match what it would do if an object of that shape tried to manuver under even semi-newtonian physics, even in the way you have described.
And you really should let people know when you change the first post in a 3 page thread, I completely missed the redesign. I think it suits very well, much more in proportion, and I retract my complaints. Before it was just a copy of the Njord's bulge though, so you have to admit that people were going to go on right where the now-locked Njord page left off.
Originally posted by Raven2001
Finally... you are lucky, I didn't think that kind of "fin" didn't fit the Gwidion from the first time, so I changed it. But I wanted to check if you learnt or grew up a bit since the Njord... the answer is NO obviously...
I hope you like the new fin... the Njord will not be changed though
You expected us to grow up in what, 2 days? What were you thinking :rolleyes: Don't take it personally Raven, many members of this community as a whole have always had a tendency to see things as phallic even when they are not. And a stunning minority actually read the whole thread before they post so the rest are going to keep saying it even after everyone says to stop.
I still wish you'd at least tweak the Njord, box it out or something. But if you want to keep it as-is, it's your perogative and I fully respect and support that decision.
EDIT: And Woolie, please stop being a complete 'tard. You didn't have to comment and you know it.
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ok #3 looks much better
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You didn't know it was changed either did you Phreak.
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I only just noticed it changed. The 3rd ship looks MUCH better now. Now the "fin" actually looks like it's part of the ship rather than something just thrown on there.
However, now I think it falls into the category of the first ship. That "fin" is still quite big in respect to the ship and I think it should point back more.
And honestly, Raven, if you thought that you could take a design that got a lot of negative feedback, reuse it a couple days later, and expected none of that feedback to repeat itself, I think you're the one who's hopeless.
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Originally posted by magatsu1
Dude. If you didn't want to hear peoples opinions, you shouldn't have posted the pictures.
I'd say the response was mostly positive.
Here, here. Anyways, 3rd ship looks much better now, good job.
And Raven, if you know it looks like a cock, stop complaining about how immature we are, when, in reality, it looks like a cock. Don't post your model if you expect 2 pages of praise (praze? spelling?), about how incredible it looks, when all these people are saying that it looks like a cock, and then get pissed when you suddenly come to the realization that most people in this world are 5 year old schoolboys at heart, and are not so mature. In fact, if 90% of the people who replied in the thread think it looks like a cock, guess what? Most likely 90% of the people who didn't reply in the thread, and are gonna play the actual campaign are gonna think it looks like a cock.
But, again, I noticed you changed it. These points are for past and future reference. Good job on the new ship. Might I suggest some more functional "Wings" at the bottom?
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It's not so much tht it does that bothers me, but that everyone feels it's important that they each say it. It looks like one. Get over it. That's all I'm saying.
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But it looks better now. :)
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
It's not so much tht it does that bothers me, but that everyone feels it's important that they each say it. It looks like one. Get over it. That's all I'm saying.
Well the *mature* ones are actually critiquing the model. It looks like a wang. That's bad. I don't really think that's great on a ship. I'm not saying "OMFG ItS TEH GHAY SHPI!!!!" I'm just saying that I would change it like so.
It's not like this is anything new to the forum..
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What is really suprising me is how all of a sudden critiques are being interpreted as attacks against one's skills or ideas. Where they are intended to be beneficial for all concerned, I'm seeing several instances where a disagreement over a ship, or an idea, turn into a flame war based on each others' stubborn refusal to come to any sort of agreement or to simply say "noted and considered." I'll admit that I haven't been above these disputes.
This is Raven's project, so he's got full grounds to do whatever he wants. But he put the models up for critique, and (no offense Raven) then went on to blast the critiques he was recieving. That's not the way to build interest in a mod, and it certainly is not the way to build a positive community environment. And he's not the only one acting like this. We have one of those here already so I don't understand why these flame ups are even happening.
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Tbh, I think they all look great. None of the appendages look like a dick.
Raven, keep up the good work. I like every single mesh you've put out so far.
Jack
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Originally posted by Flipside
And I refuse to voice act...
'My God command! They're hung like donkeys!'
Sorry :D
Flipside :D
:lol: That's the funniest thing I've heard all day man. Anyways, I absolutely love the Idea behind these fighters, the verticality (is that a word?) to them is very, very nice. And the fins really add to the uniqueness of the ships. Great Work!
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Whatever the originals, the edited versions are awesome - it seemed like Sol decided to take the Herc's design features into all their fighters, which is cool.
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Stratt: I only go blast on how people make the critics... I'll be honest, I kinda was proud about how the critiques were made in the first replies of the thread... people didn't show any intention of making fun or being offensive for the models. What really pisses me off is when people do what has been done... I hope this is enough to get that point settled, cause you gotta agree, how most critiques to the first Gwidion were made, they certainly didn't point to build a "good community environment", as you call it. A good goal IMO, but sometimes even the most peaceful community must have problems to stay stable :)
Oh, and don't take it that I didn't like your post... when I said that about the physics stuff, it was not related to you, but my point of view about it: its a game, so why don't we forget some of that complex stuff? But the theory you wrote is completely correct in reality, however :)
I think all is settled now :) Check the new thread
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The Gwidion looks a lot better and more realistic.
As for the flesh comment, I just lost any faith in this forum being able to get over the wang on the bottom. You all are obsessed with the phallic aspects of these ships. :blah:
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come on guys lighten up, it is very very very very funny :lol:
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@ Woolie... but you knew good and well that it was over the top. Just try to show a little more restraint, especially when someone's already flustered about the response. You've already got more than your share of posts in this thread, and I really can't say that many of them are helpful or that any actually go towards bringing the obscenity under control.
@Raven... I took out too much on you there, I think most of your comments were actually well founded if a bit wishful. As you are all too aware, me getting flustered really involves an issue with another part of the board, which has since degraded further. I look forward to seeing all of these things textured and in game; they are superb models no matter what one might think of their asthetics.