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Title: Uglies!
Post by: Galemp on November 22, 2003, 06:11:47 pm: It's about time someone made some uglies of Freespace fighters, so here you go. For those of you who don't know, Uglies are fighters made from scraps of debris and other fighters welded together and jerry-rigged into working condition. It's been common practice in Star Wars fiction for a while now, with TIE-Wings and Y-fighters and such.

UTF Comanche space superiority fighter
(http://fsport.hard-light.net/images/ugly/comanche.jpg)

UTF Seminole interceptor
(http://fsport.hard-light.net/images/ugly/seminole.jpg)

UTF Cherokee assault fighter
(http://fsport.hard-light.net/images/ugly/cherokee.jpg)

UTB Navajo strike bomber
(http://fsport.hard-light.net/images/ugly/navajo.jpg)

UTB Yurok heavy bomber
(http://fsport.hard-light.net/images/ugly/yurok.jpg)

Those are the LOD1s, no submodels yet. What do you think? And here's the game: name the components used in each ship. :D

EDIT: fixed links[/url]
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Lynx on November 22, 2003, 06:17:00 pm: Actually, I think they look very good(though I'd still work on the first two). One of those models looks more terran than some of the [V] fighters toghether.:yes:

Just one thing: they should either be grey or brown - not both.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Alikchi on November 22, 2003, 06:21:04 pm: You already know what I think, but to reiterate: F'ing awesome. :D
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Post by: Taristin on November 22, 2003, 06:21:06 pm: How come no ships have Vasudan bits welded on them? :p
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Post by: Sheepy on November 22, 2003, 06:24:25 pm: technological diferences?
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Post by: Woolie Wool on November 22, 2003, 06:25:12 pm: I like these ships.:yes:
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Alikchi on November 22, 2003, 06:26:11 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sheepy
technological diferences?

Plus lack of availability. If you're a pirate/renegade/good-cop-gone-bad, you're probably Terran.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Galemp on November 22, 2003, 06:31:14 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Lynx
Just one thing: they should either be grey or brown - not both.

Well, they're all using the default textures at the moment, so a few mismatched colors are bound to happen. I actually like the patchwork colors, it's part of the whole Ugly theme, but some texture editing to add warning stripes, metal patches, welds and duct tape would be wecome.

The reason there are no Vasudan bits and pieces are because of A) technological differences pirates and scavengers have no hope of overcoming and B) most of these scraps would have been from GTVA-NTF battles.
Title: Re: Uglies!
Post by: Goober5000 on November 22, 2003, 06:32:31 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Galemp
What do you think?

Very cool. :yes:
Quote
And here's the game: name the components used in each ship. :D

Hehe... hmm...

Comanche: Body of a Loki with a Myrmidon missile pod slapped on the left, engines of a Valkyrie, nose of a Centaur.

Seminole: Body of a Valkyrie with the right wing of an Athena, engines of a Loki, nose of a Hercules.

Cherokee: Body of a Hercules with the right missile pod of a Medusa, nose of a Valkyrie.

Navajo: Body of a Zeus with a Medusa engine block stuck on the left and a Zeus engine block stuck out of place on the right, nose of an Athena (in the wrong place), unidentified forward gun mount.

Yurok: Unidentified body and nose, engine of an Ursa (rotated 90 degrees), left missile pod of a Medusa, right gun turret of an Ursa.

This was all from memory... now to research the so I can fill in the unidentifieds. :D
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Woolie Wool on November 22, 2003, 06:35:15 pm: The Yurok's nose and body are from the Zeus.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Galemp on November 22, 2003, 06:35:54 pm: Almost, but not quite. Any more guesses?
Title: Re: Re: Uglies!
Post by: Goober5000 on November 22, 2003, 06:43:47 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
Seminole: ... upper engines of a Valkyrie

Engines of a Loki. D'oh! Should have stuck with my first guess. Post edited.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Knight Templar on November 22, 2003, 06:57:33 pm: My god.. bastard children. :D

Only thing negative is that a lot of the mixed pieces look out of proportion, even for uglies. I think it has to do with the cockpits.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Black Wolf on November 22, 2003, 08:35:50 pm: I personally would have preferred at least a few symmetrical designs, but the concept's good, and the implementation's not too shabby :yes:
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Post by: adwight on November 22, 2003, 09:29:35 pm: Those are definately awesome man!!!
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Post by: mikhael on November 22, 2003, 10:40:17 pm: Galemp, you should be shoved into the intake of a Boeing 777. That's... Well its good work, but damn man, that's horrifying.
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Post by: Corhellion on November 22, 2003, 10:45:59 pm: Indeed! I like them alot!

Now, do some Vasudan ships like that!

Old AND New
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Post by: Alikchi on November 23, 2003, 12:07:11 am: The best part about Uglies is their design peculiarities. For example, if you turn that Cherokee too hard, chunks of it might fly off. :D

Too bad that can't be modeled in FS, but I'm sure that flying these babies will be veee-eee-eery interesting.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Carl on November 23, 2003, 12:16:40 am: Quote
Originally posted by Alikchi
Too bad that can't be modeled in FS

...they can't?
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Culando on November 23, 2003, 12:31:06 am: Quote
Originally posted by Carl

...they can't?

He's referring to the chunks flying off the ship he was joking about I believe.

Anyways, hurray for the mutant ships! XD I like these things. That Navajo is one freaky ass bomber. Wonder how it flys.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Unknown Target on November 23, 2003, 01:07:02 am: Those have got to be....

the ****ing uglies things I've ever seen! :D

Good job! :D :yes:
Title: FOR SHAME!
Post by: Star Dragon on November 23, 2003, 02:54:48 am: There may be individual ships in SW that can be termed "ugly" but not as a ship class! I dare you to call these ships ugly so take it back Emperor...

http://photo.starblvd.net/Star_Dragon/4-2-5-1061599954?m=0&pg=3&ro=1&co=4
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Woolie Wool on November 23, 2003, 03:12:56 am: They're not ugly but they're uglies.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Galemp on November 23, 2003, 03:32:14 am: Goober: 63%
Woolie: 3%

So, any more guesses?
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Post by: Ulundel on November 23, 2003, 03:39:44 am: Hey! Navaro and Yurok are actually pretty good. Can't identify Yurok's body though...
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Turnsky on November 23, 2003, 04:07:25 am: Quote
Originally posted by Ulundel
Hey! Navaro and Yurok are actually pretty good. Can't identify Yurok's body though...

it's a medusa's it's upside-down by the looks of it..
Title: Uglies!
Post by: gevatter Lars on November 23, 2003, 04:19:25 am: Well I can't tell why, but these ships look quite cool. I like them they are so confusing to look at that this maybe could be there best weapon ^_^
(An confused enemy can't shoot back right?)

I would try to make some new/add textures where the different parts are connected so that it looks like they have been weld together, but after that not beein painted...or even think about letting them be just grey...as they wheren't paintet.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Goober5000 on November 23, 2003, 04:25:37 am: Quote
Originally posted by Turnsky
it's a medusa's it's upside-down by the looks of it..

I wondered about that. I figured it was upside-down but I didn't know which one it was.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Raptor on November 23, 2003, 04:29:33 am: Quote
Originally posted by Turnsky

it's a medusa's it's upside-down by the looks of it..

'takes a closer look'

so it is! That was the only part I couldn't get.

Very good man:yes:
Flying them could be a realy pain (due to the strange alignment of COG, thrust resultant, weapon ports and cockpit position), but would also very intresting

Now make a few more, maybe some symetric ones?

One question: Why are there no Apollo parts? I'd of thought those would have the easiest to get hold of.....
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Galemp on November 23, 2003, 10:40:46 am: Well done, Turnsky! Did anyone notice that the Zeus hull was backwards?

I'm considering making more, if I can get my hands on some more scraps... perhaps use chunks from the Kulas, Myrmidon and Scimitar, and some pieces from Inferno's Jotun and Notus.

There's no Apollo pieces because they're connected in such a way that it's nearly impossible to integrate them into the other hulls. The Loki, Herc and Medusa are all fairly modular while the Apollo's bits connect in weird ways.
Title: Congratulations ...
Post by: Star Dragon on November 23, 2003, 11:00:05 am: It's not just an art form it's Picasso!
So Galemp, have you found your true calling? ;)
Title: Uglies!
Post by: kasperl on November 23, 2003, 11:18:53 am: as said before, try some more semetric ones.

and what about this idea?

take the weapons hull of a Centaur, about five of them, welded in a line. now, had some stretched nose, a few big engines, and various missile pods on the side, and some turrets top&bottom. it could be used as an utlra heavy fighter/ultra light cruiser.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Killfrenzy on November 23, 2003, 11:20:25 am: Just the sort of thing for pirates, hmm?
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Post by: Lightspeed on November 23, 2003, 11:50:18 am: Navajo and Yurok look cool :)
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Post by: Nifelheim on November 23, 2003, 12:53:28 pm: Looks cool. The only thing needed are new textures...
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Post by: Hippo on November 23, 2003, 01:10:09 pm: ooooooohhhh...
Title: Uglies!
Post by: TrashMan on November 23, 2003, 01:55:42 pm: OH... MY ...GOD!

They are perfect! They would make excellent pitare fighters!
Can I have them for DOTA??? ...PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Title: Re: Uglies!
Post by: TopAce on November 23, 2003, 02:58:47 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Galemp
....It's been common practice in Star Wars fiction for a while now, with TIE-Wings and Y-fighters and such.

That's true (http://www.darksaber.freeserve.co.uk/craftgeneral.htm)
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Knight Templar on November 23, 2003, 04:45:02 pm: TM: I think he was planning on releasing them publically.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Galemp on November 23, 2003, 11:31:45 pm: It all depends. Who knows, maybe I'll hand out one to each campaign that wants them... :D
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Post by: Knight Templar on November 24, 2003, 01:33:25 am: I call Navajo. :p
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Post by: Solatar on November 24, 2003, 05:25:10 am: Dibs on the Seminole.:D :nervous:
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Post by: TrashMan on November 24, 2003, 09:45:16 am: Hey, I asked first!
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Galemp on November 24, 2003, 02:07:23 pm: Like throwing a bone to a pack of starving dogs... :D

You know somthing, I think I'm going to beef these up. I'll add some exposed wiring and tubing, and a few other things so they actually look cobbled together instead of just bits of models glued to each other. There may also be some more on the way, but those will be kept secret for use in the campaigns priveliged enough to have me on their staff.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Woolie Wool on November 24, 2003, 02:10:20 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Galemp
campaigns priveliged enough to have me on their staff.

:lol:
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Taristin on November 24, 2003, 03:58:46 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
I call Navajo. :p

Quote
Originally posted by Solatar
Dibs on the Seminole.:D :nervous:

Wee! I can have 2. ;7
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Knight Templar on November 24, 2003, 07:31:37 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Galemp
Like throwing a bone to a pack of starving dogs... :D

You know somthing, I think I'm going to beef these up. I'll add some exposed wiring and tubing, and a few other things so they actually look cobbled together instead of just bits of models glued to each other. There may also be some more on the way, but those will be kept secret for use in the campaigns priveliged enough to have me on their staff.

Hey, you're on my staff. :D
Title: Uglies!
Post by: TrashMan on November 25, 2003, 04:15:42 am: You're welecome in my staff anyday!
Title: Uglies!
Post by: aldo_14 on November 25, 2003, 09:11:18 am: Off the top of my head

Comanche
Nose - FS1 support ship. Rear/mid body - GTB Zeus. side pods - Loki, Myrmidon. Engine - Valkyrie

Seminole
Nose - Herc 1. Body & wing - Valkyrie. Other (right) wing - Athena.

Cherokee
Nose - Valkyrie. body & RHS pod - Herc Mk.II. Left pod - Zeus

navajo
Nose- Athena. Body - Zeus. Guns - Ursa. Right engine - Medusa.

Yurok
Nose - Zeus. Body - upside down Medusa. right pod - Medusa. Guns (LHS) & Engine - Ursa.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: redsniper on November 26, 2003, 08:39:58 am: man, those are [glow=blue]ugly[/glow]
in a good way though
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Post by: Triple Ace on November 26, 2003, 10:25:56 am: WEIRD :wtf:
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Post by: Singh on November 26, 2003, 11:05:50 pm: Somehow...the Cherokee fighter scares me :nervous:
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Post by: Woolie Wool on November 26, 2003, 11:22:37 pm: It's probably far inferior to a Herc, although it can carry bombs on the left missile bank, so cap ships better watch out.
Title: Re: Uglies!
Post by: Krackers87 on December 01, 2003, 12:05:54 am: Quote
Originally posted by Galemp

UTF Comanche space superiority fighter
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/fsport/working/ugly/comanche.jpg)

....

name the components used in each ship. :D

Cockpit is of the FS1 support ship, hull and right engine from loki, back engine from valkryie
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Galemp on December 01, 2003, 12:13:24 am: I think everyone has that one. There's still a component everyone's missed in the Cherokee, though...
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Post by: Knight Templar on December 01, 2003, 01:18:18 am: the (perseus?) hook?
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Post by: Alikchi on December 01, 2003, 04:14:03 am: It's an Athena tail-fin, actually.

I win. The cookie stash is mine!
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Post by: TrashMan on December 01, 2003, 04:15:36 am: The second missile launcher - ti's from a Myrmodon!
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Post by: Goober5000 on December 01, 2003, 11:30:51 am: What's the left gun pod on the Comanche?
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Post by: TopAce on December 01, 2003, 11:56:44 am: All uglies are uglies,
but not all uglies are ugly.

:)
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Taristin on December 01, 2003, 12:10:16 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
What's the left gun pod on the Comanche?

I'd guess Zeus, but I think I'm wrong. I couldn't place it to begin with.
Title: Uglies!
Post by: Flaser on December 01, 2003, 03:09:42 pm: It's an engine module from a Myrmidon - I guess upside down.
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Post by: Sticks on December 02, 2003, 03:10:07 pm: Ah yes, a good set of Space Inferiority Fighters. Looking good so far.

I like it!
Title: Uglies!
Post by: pyro-manic on December 03, 2003, 09:38:02 am: Kewl. :D:yes:
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Post by: Triple Ace on December 04, 2003, 08:53:04 am: Use these in a campaign.