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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on November 30, 2003, 02:59:38 pm
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http://www.killermovies.com/s/starwarsepisodeiii/articles/2686.html
George Lucas spoke to Fox News about Star Wars: Episode III and his future after that movie.
"I'm going to go from complete success to complete failure". Lucas says that he expects utter rejection from his fans once Star Wars concludes. "I'm going to make a bunch of movies like 'THX'. And if people don't like it, too bad. There will be no Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan for me. There won't be any big dramas or Oscars."
Lucas goes on to talk about working on Episode III, which will link Attack of the Clones to the first original movie. "I know what I want to do," he said. "It was mapped out from my original writing for 30 years. But still you have these two pieces — Clones and Chapter IV — and you have to make them fit together. You're going to see a lot about Anakin and Luke and Princess Leia's mother, all the adults. And of course Luke and Leia will be infants in it."
Talking about the criticism Hayden Christensen got for his portrayal as Anakin Skywalker, he says. "Not a bit. This is a talented kid. Years from now people are going to say, was he always so good, and look at Clones, and realize yes."
Lucas also talked about Peter Jacksons' 'Lord of the Rings', who he has become good friends with while they were shooting their movies in Australia and New Zealand.
"Essentially, Peter is making three three-hour movies out of one book," Lucas said. "And I'm making nine two-hour movies from one book. We discuss it a lot because they are similar in nature".
Episode III is expected to begin shooting this year, with the final movie hitting theaters in May 2005.
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Who cares? Hell, it was mildly surprising anyone was dumb enough to go see Attack of the Clones, it's not like we'll even know it happened if a seventh gets released.
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there were 3 trilogy's in the begging. the middle one was picked because it ahd the best story, and the first is now being completed. there were rumours about not making the last trilogy, though i am not sure.
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Let me guess, it's one where they make Jar Jar a Jedi.
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This seems to contradict Lucas's not wanting to make any other SW movies after Ep. III statement I'm sure I heard some time in my life.
Odd indeed.
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I was stupid enough to wach epp1, I knew I should have smelled something the first time I saw JarJar, I wasn't going to be caught dead waching epp2, and I sure as hell ain't gona watch epp3
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So you're one of those people that throws a temper tantrum because there was one character added in solely to appease younger audiances?
It wasn't that bad.
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Straw that broke the camel's back. Jar-Jar wasn't the only bit that seemed like something Disney had thoughtfully considered, then rejected.
Hell, you'd be hard-pressed to find part of the movie that didn't.
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Lookit the date on that article: Wed January 15, 2003 06:14PM. IIRC this was before AOTC and before Lucas swore off making 7-9 - thank God.
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yeah now we only have one horable movie that makes me reevaluate my childhood, rather than four.
you know I watched epp4 again the other day, and I now realize just how much the acting of those people caried it, the dialog was all horable and the designs were unimaginitave (though well implemented)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Lookit the date on that article: Wed January 15, 2003 06:14PM. IIRC this was before AOTC and before Lucas swore off making 7-9 - thank God.
Wow, Jeri Ryan was going to be in Star Wars?
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Where the hell do you get that?
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Originally posted by Sandwich
7-9
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:blah:
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I liked Ep2 and thought Ep1 was okay.
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Yes but you also walk hand in hand with satan so your opinion isn't quite as valid.
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I enjoyed all the starwar movies that have been released so far and will watch any in the future :nod: , I guess i`m not a critic :)
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Jar-Jar Binks wasn't as bad as Jake Loyd.
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It's working! IT'S WORKING!!!1
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I watch the films for the effects, so I'm not disappointed. ;)
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Episode 2 had the most action.
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Originally posted by Setekh
I watch the films for the effects, so I'm not disappointed. ;)
heh i agree
the only one i like is return of the jedi ;)
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Lets hope that the Wooden plank portraying Anakin isn't as wooden in the next one. I can only watch so much acting from a piece of wood.
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If he has time/energy/money to make more and more Star Wars films, I would be glad to accept those. :)
I just don't know how the Episodes would be numbered, Episode IV,V,Vi cannot be, and even VII,VIII,IX exist(The Thrawn trilogy).
[EDIT]I don't know why films are critical to reveal more about specific characters. Even books ARE GOING TO suffice. If I know it well(and I hope so), books are cheaper to produce.
Yeah, visual effects. They were all good(except of the starfield in Episode I, when Ruune Haako and Nute Gunray were talking to Sidius about the abbasadors being Jedi.
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Ivan: Musta hated the Matrix, then, right?
Acting, plot, a believable or internally consistent universe... these things are secondary these days. If even that.
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um, ive known that for like 5 years, There is 9 episodes to the whole series. Not that i know what the last 3 are about.
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Return of the emperor or summat
I did't mind AOTC... even if (or because) a large chunk was written as an excuse to dress natalie portman in less and less clothing.....True, some of it was nauseatingly irritating (anything with Hayden Christiansen for one thing...although he is suppossed to be a dick anyways.
he new films may seem a bit soulless in comparison to the original ones, but I reckon that's just nostalgia working its way in. Those people I've talked to who only saw the original a few years ago (i.e. special edition) weren't particularly impressed by them.
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Originally posted by TopAce
and even VII,VIII,IX exist(The Thrawn trilogy).
Zahn is writing a second trilogy about Thrawn apparently, or rather what happened after he died or such something.
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Thrawn returned not only once. But I do not know much details about that man.
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(small The Last Command spoiler)
Well, they didn't say if he actually died or not in the end of the book...so I guess theres a probablility that he's still alive then.
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Aldo: Yeeeah, character development and a plot that anyone gives two ****s about beyond "things shooting things" are overrated. Probably never existed, we just think they did because we're nostalgic for something that never happened.
I didn't particularly like the original Star Wars. Thought most of the characters weren't very likeable, the aliens and environments were of only marginally higher grade than Star Trek's, and that the whole Jedi Knight thing was hokey beyond hokey. Gimme some a' that blaster action any day. But it didn't suck. It was just about as poor as most sci-fi movies are. Episode 1 was a genuinely bad movie, any way you looked at it.
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This is why no-one likes you, Stryke :)
I liked Clones well enough. It had spaceships and whatnot in it. Passed my test :nod:
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I like Ep2, too. I don't know why the others critise(OK, I don't know how to write it correctly :)) this film. At most the 'Yoda-Dooku' duel could be considered as 'Comical' :)
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Of course, you all know that the Thrawn trilogy isn't canon, right?
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
This is why no-one likes you, Stryke :)
I like Stryke.
:nervous: What?
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there won't be a 7-9 now... all the books took care of stuff that happened afterwards, IE: Coruscant, Thrawn (twice)...
As for Thrawn, he did die, but he had a clone of himself that would be finished 10 years after he failed to reset the timer. It was destroyed also, along with The Hand of Thrawn, a huge listening post where Baron Fel along with hundreds of chiss were waiting for a signal to bring the chiss into the galactic picture, and throw the game in the imps favor...
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Star wars films fourever. :yes:
But first trilogy actors(Luke=Hamil, Solo=Harrison Ford) too old act films after Episod 6. Before Episod 4 and after Epsid 3= Episod 3.5? :)
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Don't worry. DG's just an angry, bitter little man who feels threatened by my superior intellect and penis size.
Someday, he'll realize that it's not so easy being me, and give it up. For one thing, having to cart around the wheelbarrow in front of me wherever I go gets old fast.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Of course, you all know that the Thrawn trilogy isn't canon, right?
Yes it is. ;)
Actually, it's more canon than you might think, considering it was Zahn who introduced Coruscant into the SW universe. Whether it was Lucas's idea that he let Zahn introduce or what, I don't know.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
I like Stryke.
:nervous: What?
I don't think he meant his dong.
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Dwarr?
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Yes it is. ;)
Actually, it's more canon than you might think, considering it was Zahn who introduced Coruscant into the SW universe. Whether it was Lucas's idea that he let Zahn introduce or what, I don't know.
It is closer to canon that most of the SW fiction out there, but it's not official canon. So anything that Lucas, which his deranged mind, wants to change, he can change.
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What the hell is this deal with "canon", anyway? I could kinda understand it when the religious types invented it- "canon" there is word from ****ing God, it's the Truth and in big capital letters, you ignore it or pay too much attention to stuff that isn't it, you go to hell. What the hell is it supposed to mean in context of George Lucas? He doesn't have a single coherent idea of the Star Wars universe he started out with. He doesn't care what you think. Believe whatever the **** you like- ignore the later stuff like the midichlorians or ignore him entirely if you so choose- it doesn't make your version of the story any less "real" than any other.
You need an official Party line, someone to tell you what you should and shouldn't think? Fine, all the Jedi are magical princesses, direct descendants of the tooth fairy, and they're not there so much to protect the Universe and all that ****e so much as to eliminate tooth decay, in a really roundabout fashion. There, I told you what imaginary world to play around in, got rid of all those nasty "options" and "use of imagination" and so on, it's no less real or official than the others, it isn't even internally inconsistent like a lot of them. Be happy.
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I'm just saying that George Lucas, in the event of him making 7-9, probably won't give a **** about the Thrawn books.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I'm just saying that George Lucas, in the event of him making 7-9, probably won't give a **** about the Thrawn books.
I'd actually hate to see Lucas make movies out of those books - he's done so poorly with Eps. I & II that I can't even begin to imagine how bad it would be if it had to be based off a book, as generally movies based off books are far poorer than the books.
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Acknowledging that Episodes One and Two weren't fantastic, I'm too tired to come to my own conclusions at the moment. That being said, how would you guys realistically change the movies to make them better and what not, or which parts of the movies do you really dislike?
Is it more of a writing bit and the actual story, or just the way they were made as movies?
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Ever thought that maybe Ep1 & 2 were bad because the books were? I mean, there was a reason for Ep4, wasn't there...?
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I just went and watched EP IV. Wow, the acting was great, the special effects, while less advanced and explosive than the two new ones, seemed more real, as everything was less shiny, etc, etc.
But the thing that blew me away was how much BETTER the original trilogy, even 1 movie, was than both the new movies.
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Plus, the old technology and spaceships and junk kicked ass. Y-Wings versus those curvy Naboo thingies that looked like ten minutes in a NURBS modeler? Pfeh. I still can't make anything that comes even close to being as kickass as those Rebel ships.
I want a Y-Wing...
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Im a visual person, i like being dazzled by sight an special FX more than a story, even though i think storys are very important.
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The books like the Thrawn Trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn Duology (Spectre of the Past and Vision of the Future) and several others may not have been published by LucasBooks/DelRay, but they are still conceivably canon. After all, the New Jedi Order books, which were published by LucasBooks/DelRay and are undoubtedly canon, refer to those non-LucasBooks SW books in their timeline.
Trust me, I've got all the Star Wars novels, from the time of the Clone Wars all the way to the last New Jedi Order novel (The Unifying Force, which came out only a few weeks ago and takes place about 28 years after A New Hope) and all the later novels refer to events that happened in previous books. That makes it clear that the authors all made HUGE efforts to keep the events of the novels as interrelated as possible so no one would doubt that all the novels were all canon.
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EDIT: Directed at Krackers.
Then you should like the original's ships. They all had grit and grime and pipes and odds and ends, while the new ones are mostly smooth and look like extruded cylinders.
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Naboo fighters = :ick :ick
Aotc Imperial forces = :yes: :yes: :yes:
Original starwars stuff looks good too but the special fx were lacking. Bigtime. And i know how old it is.
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Hell, even Sean Connery, who has proved himself to be a good actor, gets the 'We've got CG so I'll be a plank' syndrome in The League :(
Flipside :D
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Originally posted by Cancer
Star wars films fourever. :yes:
But first trilogy actors(Luke=Hamil, Solo=Harrison Ford) too old act films after Episod 6. Before Episod 4 and after Epsid 3= Episod 3.5? :)
Allright, if you do not understand this, I would translate it to a more understandable form.
[NO OFFENSE FOR CANCER, HE IS SITTING NEXT TO ME AND HE ASKED ME TO SAY THE SAME WITH MY OWN WORDS]
Star Wars films forever! :yes:
But the actors of the second trilogy(A new hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi) are too old by now to be able to fit the role they would have to act.
He also doesn't understand what those Episode numbers would be. Episode III will soon be out(2005 May :?:), and in order to insert more episodes, they would need to be Episode 2.5 for example.
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Originally posted by TopAce
But the actors of the second trilogy(A new hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi) are too old by now to be able to fit the role they would have to act.
Not really. Since it's 18 years behind to first two trilogies, it's been just a few more years real life since Ep's 4-6, so it would fall right in with the preset. (Provided the suggested Ep's 7-9 were set about 20 years after Jedi)
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
The books like the Thrawn Trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn Duology (Spectre of the Past and Vision of the Future) and several others may not have been published by LucasBooks/DelRay, but they are still conceivably canon. After all, the New Jedi Order books, which were published by LucasBooks/DelRay and are undoubtedly canon, refer to those non-LucasBooks SW books in their timeline.
Trust me, I've got all the Star Wars novels, from the time of the Clone Wars all the way to the last New Jedi Order novel (The Unifying Force, which came out only a few weeks ago and takes place about 28 years after A New Hope) and all the later novels refer to events that happened in previous books. That makes it clear that the authors all made HUGE efforts to keep the events of the novels as interrelated as possible so no one would doubt that all the novels were all canon.
The thing is, according to Lucas, NOTHING, including NJO and the Thrawn trilogy, is canon. Only the movies are part of the official timeline. Or have you not noticed that those books are listed under the Extended Universe?
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Originally posted by Warlock
Not really. Since it's 18 years behind to first two trilogies, it's been just a few more years real life since Ep's 4-6, so it would fall right in with the preset. (Provided the suggested Ep's 7-9 were set about 20 years after Jedi)
It looks I will have to have a look at the Behind the Magic timeline. I doubt there would be that much time difference between the original trilogy and the Thrawn trilogy.
Because 20 years after the battle of Endor, Luke's Jedi Academy fought against Shadow Academy. At the times of the Thrawn trilogy, Luke has not foundated his Jedi Academy yet.
But please confirm me.
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Originally posted by Warlock
Not really. Since it's 18 years behind to first two trilogies, it's been just a few more years real life since Ep's 4-6, so it would fall right in with the preset. (Provided the suggested Ep's 7-9 were set about 20 years after Jedi)
Only problem is, Mark Hamil got in a....car crash, I believe. That's why he's not doing show business anymore.
You know he does the voice of the The Joker, right?
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I belive his car accident was before the Return of the Jedi was begun to be recorded.
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Mark Hamill's accident occured during the initial stages of filming/planning for The Empire Strikes Back, which caused Lucas to write in the whole Wampa scene in the very beginning, to explain the change in Luke's facial structure. Note that you don't see Luke's face clearly (if at all) until after his run-in with the Wampa.
And the Thrawn trilogy is set 5 years after Endor, not 20. :-/
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Actually I wasn't referring to the Thrawn triliogy,...just that if Lucas did happen to decide to made 7-9 and he kept up with the roughly two decades between trilogies,...then the original actors/actresses would be about the correct age.
As far as Hamil's accident, not sure about it being before or after Jedi (my understanding is it was indeed after and that actually was why he was only doing voices) but you know, all Lucas would have to do is write into the script that Luke gets a bit f**ked up at some point. Yea it would be against every novel,...but then again look at where Palpy got the DS plans in Ep1 vs the novel's story about it.
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eps 4, 5, & 6 will 0wn forever
eps 1 & 2 were sorry and ep 3 probably will be too
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Originally posted by Warlock
As far as Hamil's accident, not sure about it being before or after Jedi (my understanding is it was indeed after and that actually was why he was only doing voices) but you know, all Lucas would have to do is write into the script that Luke gets a bit f**ked up at some point. Yea it would be against every novel,...but then again look at where Palpy got the DS plans in Ep1 vs the novel's story about it.
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800024828&cf=biog&intl=us
http://www.starwars.com/bio/markhamill.html
It was after filming of Star Wars, but before the movie's release... i.e. before filming of Empire Strikes Back.
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I say we declare war on Russia, to settle this once and for all.
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That was random. :nod:
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Originally posted by Sandwich
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800024828&cf=biog&intl=us
http://www.starwars.com/bio/markhamill.html
It was after filming of Star Wars, but before the movie's release... i.e. before filming of Empire Strikes Back.
thanks for the correction :)
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[color=66ff00]I say let David Fincher make the Thrawn triliogy. Single handedly could save the whole shebang.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]I say let David Fincher make the Thrawn triliogy. Single handedly could save the whole shebang.
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Don't take this as anything personal,...but I'll never understand why anyone would want to take one man's work and have someone else do it instead. Just like that whole petition to make Lucas give up Star Wars so Peter Jackson could do the rest. That'd kinna be like me posting that I think *insert random user name here* should take over HLP because I like how he makes sites better.
Again nothing against Maeg's post,...it just made me think of it ;)
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[color=66ff00]Look at what Irvin Kershner did for ESB. I see what you're saying Warlock but for the sake of decent entertainment Lucas should just throw in the towel, admit that he can't do a good job and pass on the directorship to someone with potential.
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Originally posted by Warlock
I think *insert random user name here* should take over HLP because I like how he makes sites better.
Sounds good.
Bwahaha.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Look at what Irvin Kershner did for ESB. I see what you're saying Warlock but for the sake of decent entertainment Lucas should just throw in the towel, admit that he can't do a good job and pass on the directorship to someone with potential.
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Meh, see I've had no problem with any of the 5 Movies. Granted Ep 1 wasn't nearly what I'd expected,...yet at the same time it told part of the needed background story. Ep 2 was the same but with a more SW-ish huge battle at the end. To me it's always been
4-6= Luke's Story
1-3= Vader's Story
At the same time, it was Lucas' vision that gave us the story that we're discussing right this moment, I don't care if the man makes Ep 3 and has Vader come out of the closet and admit he secretly has sexual fantasies about Obi Wan and Jar Jar, it's his story to tell.
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seeing how Bosch has "special" relations with Shivans, he'd probably like Jar Jar
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:wtf:
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^^from the original 'Tell a Story' thread
there were always jokes that Bosch had a Shivan love slave. Basically, I'm implying that Jar Jar is gay and so is Bosch
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No ****. Still doesn't explain your randomness...
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Besides which, it doesn't even work. Interspecies sex doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality, it's like saying that because you like eating play-doh you love swallowing nails too because neither are ordinary food sources. It doesn't even sound like it should make sense. Unless you're somehow assuming all Shivans (never mind any Shivans) are male, which would change things entirely, except that that's just plain stupid.
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Originally posted by redsniper
^^from the original 'Tell a Story' thread
there were always jokes that Bosch had a Shivan love slave....
Rather than Bosch having a Shivan love slave, considering that Bosch was taken away by the Shivans, I thought he was a Shivan love slave...
...I'll let myself out. :D
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
...I'll let myself out.
...of the closet?? :nervous: :shaking:
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and I think this proves once and for all that star wars is gay :)
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Originally posted by Su-tehp
Rather than Bosch having a Shivan love slave, considering that Bosch was taken away by the Shivans, I thought he was a Shivan love slave...
...I'll let myself out. :D
Originally posted by Sandwich
...of the closet?? :nervous: :shaking:
Low, Sandy. Very low. Well done. :rolleyes: :D
Originally posted by Bobboau
and I think this proves once and for all that star wars is gay :)
Heathen! Die a horrible death as you are sacrificed to your pagan gods! :hopping: :mad: ;)
Ok, maybe I shouldn't turn this into a religious thing... BTW, in the last Australian census, how many people chose "Jedi Knight" as their religion? Steak, did you hear about this?
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Originally posted by Bobboau
and I think this proves once and for all that star wars is gay :)
You can eat my socks.
*points at avatar*