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Title: ANIME TOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: TrashMan on December 01, 2003, 04:24:13 am
Grade from 1 to 10 (10 beeing impossible). Comments why - THIS IS FOR THE SERIES, NOT THE MOVIE

.................
I LIKE: The story is great, the charachters allso, The mechs are uber-cool and so is the music. It's feels like a movie cut in several pieces, and I just love the feel. When I fifnished watching it I ws numb for a week or so. A mix of "Boy, what a great anime!", "What a great ending!" and "What? It's over allready!" "It's the end...?"


Animation is great, alltough I belive it could be better. I like the style they used in Loddos - allmost completely realistic (alltough with a bit more colour). I allso think Van and Hitomi should be a bit older and there are 2-3 scenes that could have benn done better... On the side note, they could have made Hitomi look a bit better


All in all, the best animated movie I've ever seen...8-9/10
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: Stryke 9 on December 01, 2003, 06:10:29 am
Why the **** did you make three threads out of this ****?
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: TrashMan on December 02, 2003, 05:41:37 am
To see what people think.... I'd tought it was obvious!
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Post by: Fineus on December 02, 2003, 05:54:27 am
Reopened - discuss your anime here! :)
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Post by: ZylonBane on December 02, 2003, 12:35:12 pm
"TOUGHTS"?? It's "THOUGHTS". THOUGHTS!
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: Stryke 9 on December 02, 2003, 12:39:12 pm
Not when they have to do with anime, they're not.
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Post by: kode on December 02, 2003, 02:39:01 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
"TOUGHTS"?? It's "THOUGHTS". THOUGHTS!


a penny for your toughts, ZB
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Post by: aldo_14 on December 02, 2003, 03:26:01 pm
I tink tats te wong speeling of 'tauts'.
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Post by: Baron MacDoblin on December 02, 2003, 04:56:32 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Not when they have to do with anime, they're not.


I'll anime you, *****!
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Post by: Stryke 9 on December 02, 2003, 06:09:43 pm
I feel unthreatened.
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Post by: Baron MacDoblin on December 02, 2003, 09:36:43 pm
And I unthreateningly feel you, so we're even.
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Post by: Shrike on December 02, 2003, 11:14:32 pm
Ok, I had to fix the spelling.
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: TrashMan on December 03, 2003, 04:55:06 am
It was a typo! For crying out loud!
Since the other threads were closed, this thread is for discussing Voe, Evangellion and Record of Loddos War.

So, to make the long story short:
- VoE (the movie) ------ 5-6/10
- VoE (the series)----------9/10
- Evangelion -------------6-7/10
- Loddos------------------8-9/10
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: Gortef on December 03, 2003, 07:27:04 am
Lodoss War get's 9/10 from me. Good story, good characters ^^
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Post by: kode on December 03, 2003, 11:07:10 am
okay... escaflowne the movie (not the series, as I haven't seen it) gets 7/10. somewhat interesting, but too little actual sense, or mecha fights.
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: Sandwich on December 03, 2003, 11:45:20 am
Enjoy your new title.
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Post by: TrashMan on December 04, 2003, 04:36:12 am
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I'm not a anime mainiac!:(
I only watched like 10-20 animes in my intire life!
Actually, I HATE 90% of all anime (couse the're crap), the other 10% are excellent.

Give me my old title back...pweeeaaaaaassssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!::sigh:
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Post by: TrashMan on December 05, 2003, 06:43:06 am
PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
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Post by: Gloriano on December 05, 2003, 06:53:57 am
- VoE (the movie) ------ 6.7/10
- Evangelion -------------7/10
- Loddos------------------8/10
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: TrashMan on December 05, 2003, 06:59:39 am
And VoE, the series?
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Post by: ZylonBane on December 05, 2003, 11:47:24 am
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Originally posted by TrashMan
It was a typo! For crying out loud!
And you made the exact same mistake ten times in a row? :doubt:
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Post by: Culando on December 05, 2003, 12:09:57 pm
Aah, Escaflone, the show that officially got me into anime. It was on Fox for a while, but they dropped it. XP I pursued it onto DVD and spotted other series as well. I love this anime. Good animation, cool mecha, gripping story, psychotic freak (you gotta love Dilandou) and a love story. 9/10

I have yet to see the movie, but I am very interested.
Title: Umm
Post by: Star Dragon on December 06, 2003, 04:20:15 am
Since you're in the mood for titiles,

   Could you give me one "Anime-God"... so the masses can start bowing down tme since I have been watching Go Nagai and Leiji Matsumoto since around 1976 (Earliest I can remember is 6yo)

   Starvengers & StarBlazers were my favorites!!!

   I thought regular cartoons were CRAP!

I have seen one episode of Escaflowne so I can't vote on it yet, but I do mean to have a go witht he whole series eventually.

BTW I am only kidding, but seriously could you make me "Pilot of Getter Robo G"?

Hellsing rocks! Too damn short though!
Title: Re: Umm
Post by: Sandwich on December 06, 2003, 04:41:34 am
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
Since you're in the mood for titiles,

   Could you give me one "Anime-God"... so the masses can start bowing down tme since I have been watching Go Nagai and Leiji Matsumoto since around 1976 (Earliest I can remember is 6yo)


Titles are given, not requested. You should know that by now. :rolleyes: :p
Title: Re: Umm
Post by: Nico on December 06, 2003, 05:22:50 am
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
Since you're in the mood for titiles,

   Could you give me one "Anime-God"... so the masses can start bowing down tme since I have been watching Go Nagai and Leiji Matsumoto since around 1976 (Earliest I can remember is 6yo)

   Starvengers & StarBlazers were my favorites!!!

   I thought regular cartoons were CRAP!

I have seen one episode of Escaflowne so I can't vote on it yet, but I do mean to have a go witht he whole series eventually.

BTW I am only kidding, but seriously could you make me "Pilot of Getter Robo G"?

Hellsing rocks! Too damn short though!


fanboy :blah:
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Post by: TrashMan on December 06, 2003, 11:26:07 am
C'mon Sandwich.....gimme my old title back...please!
I'll make you a hero in one of my upcoming stories!

StarDragon & kode: - The Movie sucks compared to the series, belive me.
They tried to squeeze in as much as they could in the movie, and ended up with great animation, but shallow charachters and lots of "?" at the end. Too many charachters making an apperance with no real background, too many unanswerd questions.
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Post by: Knight Templar on December 06, 2003, 12:22:24 pm
Dude.. shut up already. What did you think would happen after spamming the board with anime threads? :blah:
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Post by: Levyathan on December 06, 2003, 01:07:48 pm
Does that mean... :drevil:
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Post by: Flaser on December 06, 2003, 02:21:55 pm
huh...sine when did KT have no title at all?

Regardless a review that speaks of Evangelion as mild or bad simply hadn't even tried to grasp the serie.

As far as I know of all the titles you listed Eva is no.1 - for it craved to tell something to show you some value other than entertainment. It did achieve some things, but failed miserably with others. The end of...ect. stuff is just that including all the various teological stuff.
The best stuff is from episode 12-24. The last 2 episodes are for those who try to digest the meaning - but it does not sit well with the story.
The problem with the first part of the story is that after Asuka's appearance it became somewhat lightharted and that could have fooled you.
Eva is not about entertainment - it's a long epic of a tragedy ordinary people suffer when they try to play god - and the price their children have to pay.

It's a film from teh '90 so it was typical to mix a lot of stuff. Actually this serie is an ephitome of that trend.

Even with all its shortcoming the serie has earned a strong 9 in my book.
It's not for entertainment of coolness - it's for the attemt to finally tell us something valueable.
It's not for the faint hearted though.

As for the other two titles:

ROLW is just simple entertainment, it's an ADnD story made a film. Good entertainment and a couple of notable characters but nothing beside it - even the little philosophy at the end (Pawns realisation of his blindness concerning good/evil) is just filler and gets little play.
It's entertainment but nothing more. That's all about it.
It get a mediocre 7 from me.

VoE is another title I like.
It has some very good stuff:
Cool battles, and well written characters and a notable disdain of the common good-vs.-evil theme that amercian/western pop-culture tries to enforce as canon.
The best parts of this is when the allies turn on each other.
Hitomi is the best character of the show for we're finally given a heroine who's not a sex-idol or a masculine warrior.
She's a yound woman, with lots of teenager tendancies, and still manages to convey the oracle's struggle with faith.
Van is a minor IMHO, for he lacks the depth Htimo has - he's quite 2 dimensional throughout the show.
Dilandu is the next best character orher than Folken - the well portreyed anathonists dissolve our idea of usual fairytale.

The whol Atlantis stuff is just not strong enough, but the underlying problem of free action against fate provides some good substitute.

Escaflowne is the only thing that can bring life to Fan and in the end it is his struggle to understand his mecha that saves him from being written of as another arche-typic hero of the day.

Alll in all the show has its good moments, but in the end it's still minor entertainment with little underlying message.
Still it has value, story, good characters and drama.
It earned a valuable 8 from me.
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Post by: TrashMan on December 06, 2003, 07:08:08 pm
Good comments Flaser, but as the old saying goes..beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I like Evangelion, but it's just too messed up. As for the "show that tell us something valubale" thing..well you can say that for everything. Every show has something to tell (both Eva and VoE, only VoE doesn't push it in your face).
People can find deep meaning in something that has none (like modern art...JUCK!:ick:) and overlook something good. Things like that happen...life sucks.
And Van is a cool charachter...I see nothing 2D about him...he's being torn apart by varrying emotions and expectations.

And a underlaying message? ..basicly, Don't play God (same as Eva), alltough both shows have some other mesages allso..

What can I say...they are both extreemly memorable (they get stuck in your brain and you can't flush them out anymore! - God, those are the best shows)

But I look at the whole package, and it's there that VoE beats Eva..

EDIT: Ups..double post... didn't notice that..wtf.? Can't delete the post at the top of this page!!! Somethings screwy...A admin better delete it then..

Deleted. // Sandwich
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Post by: Nico on December 07, 2003, 04:00:28 am
Mmh... altho the main topic of eva isn't that at all. It's about youngs being reclused and mentally unstable, and is a direct critic of the otaku in japan through Shinji. All the angel stuff, the seele stuff, etc, was added for commercial purposes, and in the end Hideaki Anno didn't bother to explan anything about that, focusing entirely on what really interested him: Shinji's psycho.
The movies are a result of that, since most people weren't happy with that end ( Anno even received death letters from otaku that were displeased with his vision of their world and for "wasting" the original plot ). There's about as little message as you can get in the biblical stuff of eva, it's just well documented popular fluff ( at that period, there were many series using biblical stuff in their plot, and eva is not different ).
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Post by: TrashMan on December 07, 2003, 01:54:35 pm
Really? Everything was just for show? Even the thing about Shinji and the blue-haired girl (can't remember the name) beeing the messiah? - (God, thoes that part suck!)
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Post by: Nico on December 07, 2003, 04:38:44 pm
That could have been drawn from the movies, but as far as I know, and as far as I've seen, that's completly made up by winded up fans, Rei is most likely an angel ( don't remember much about that, but from what happens in episode 24 of the series and in end of, that's what I gathered ), and shinji is just the dumb guy who caused the loss of humanity, he's not a messiah or anything, people tend to draw weird conclusions from just a piece of chit-chat.
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Post by: Vilkacis on December 07, 2003, 05:37:42 pm
I don't know why but I kinda liked the "huh what's going on?" feeling while watching NGE and it was "refreshing" and in a sick way touching to see the main characters going down the drain mentally in great psychological drama instead of saving the world yet again. Whereas VoE while still being good entertainment had nothing what made it stand out from the crowd.
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Post by: TrashMan on December 08, 2003, 08:34:22 am
Urrr...right....

I just tough of somewthing else:
TRIGUN - the show is hilarious! I give it a clean 8/10!

Flaser, I agree with you about the Hitomi charachter 100%!

Anyone watch Dragon Knight?
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Post by: Nico on December 08, 2003, 10:05:24 am
Dragon Knight? Saw the first one, I think. that's a bit ecchi ( mild erotism ), isn't it? If not, well, it's not what I think, probably.
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Post by: Gortef on December 08, 2003, 12:27:26 pm
Trigun? It's a good series... I give it 8.5/10. it manages to be hilarious many times and still it has quite a serious plot in the end.

Dragon Knight... never seen that one..
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Post by: TrashMan on December 08, 2003, 12:52:23 pm
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Originally posted by Nico
Dragon Knight? Saw the first one, I think. that's a bit ecchi ( mild erotism ), isn't it? If not, well, it's not what I think, probably.


Yeah, that's the one! Poor guy...surrounded by all those ckicks and he hasn't the time:lol:

Anyone seen Beserk? The ending is left with the most "?" I ever seen.
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Post by: Nico on December 08, 2003, 12:57:47 pm
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Originally posted by TrashMan


Yeah, that's the one! Poor guy...surrounded by all those ckicks and he hasn't the time:lol:

Anyone seen Beserk? The ending is left with the most "?" I ever seen.


Yeah, Berserk rocks. The pb with the ending is that it's not the end :p.
In fact, the whole series would be just an introduction to the plot in the manga.
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Post by: TrashMan on December 08, 2003, 02:49:05 pm
the guy cut off his own arm...and his darling was beeing r**** before his eyes by demons...

But boy, once he grabs his big ol' sword it's a real slaughterfest!
What did they call him? Centuryslayer?
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Post by: Nico on December 08, 2003, 03:42:22 pm
yeah I know all that. The manga starts way after that event...
I guess they planed a season 2, but it was never done, don't really know why, the series scored well afaik.
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Post by: TrashMan on December 08, 2003, 04:07:47 pm
Hmm....just downloaded VoE winamp skins...You know I found only ONE Freespace skin!!!

Anyway, who's the tard that voted 1?????????
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Post by: TrashMan on December 09, 2003, 02:02:00 pm
I just tought of something!

Why is Escaflowne so special?
- It was built by the Ispanos! - True, but they built lot's of armours

- The Ispanos used the knowledge of Atlantis when they built it! - Allso true, but they did that with all of their armours.

Why then? Why is there only one Escaflowne?
My theory is the following:
- Escaflowne is the only armour on which the draconians themsevs worked. It is said that the survivors of Atlantis imparted some of their knowledge to the Ispanos. We allso know that Escaflowne was one of the fist armour they built - the draconians were still around and they helped them. That would explain a lot - and would allso explain it's power. I reckon that the redish crystal and the two green ones (with the green energist inside) were made by the draconians theselvs, and while the Ispanos can repair Escaflowne, they can't build a new one!

On the other note, there is one show that is a classic, but we haven't talked about - ROBOTECH!
I'v only seen the begining - from the time the reconstructed the SDF-1 and launched it, to the time when it returned 3 years later. It was on one video tape and some things were clearly cut.
Nevertheless, a excellent show!
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Post by: kode on December 09, 2003, 02:32:40 pm
yeah, the thing with robotech is that I can't get an opinion of it, as I can't get hold of it.

I saw silver fang (ginga: nagareboshi gin) this weekend tho. the super-cut, swedish-dubbed version. pure ownij. could be because it was the first anime I ever came in contact with... but I'm definitely getting the uncut version (three hours longer :D). If you haven't ever heard of it (which is very probable), it's about a silver colored akita dog that runs away from his master to be in a group of wild dogs that are to kill a big bear which incidentally also killed his father (and grandfather). the bear never sleeps, since silver fangs master shot him in the eye, and injured the bears brain, making him a complete psycho. no such things as character development or deep plot, just a lot of blood and dogs killing and getting killed...
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Post by: Flaser on December 09, 2003, 03:54:13 pm
I don't know wheter it's better but I would watch Macross before Robotech.

A common mistake is that people confuse the two: Harmony Gold massivly reedited Macross and combined it with several other shows to get a serie long enough to air in US.

BTW the story is good - it has tiwsts and suprises (I haven't seen the original, but I do know the story and I watched several additional material) with well portrazed characters.

Get Macross: Do You Remember Love - it's more accesable, though it is an extremely short and thick movie made from the serie.
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Post by: Gortef on December 10, 2003, 09:22:07 am
Gits - SAC had an ending that left me hanging with a WTF^^ Mates -feeling also. Great series though, I'll give it 9/10

This is an eternal question "Which one is better, Macross or Robotech". I can't answer that one. I might prefer Macross since it IS the original version of the story, but I can't deny the fact that I saw Robotech first.

Marcoss - DYRL sure is short considering that they tried to sum up the story of Macross, but IMHO they succeeded pretty well (excluding the fact that they modified the strory a bit). And the quality of the animation is a bit better of course.

Wanna see a really depressing but still good short series? Then go find Saishuuheiki Kanojo. 7.5/10 (because I do prefer happier stories)
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Post by: TrashMan on December 10, 2003, 09:39:32 am
Since I watched the cut version maby smeone can fill in the blanks for me.

The tape I watched starts with the chrash of SDF-1, then the rebuilding of it. then the Zantradi attack and SDF-1 tries that uber-device that teleports it to Pluto. Then they fight they way back and when the Zentradi Scout self-destructs (with Rick Hunter still inside), the show jumps to  
* HOLE IN STORY*
the Zentradi blasting a asteroid and bombarding SDF-1 with it. Then the battle of the 3 Veritech on board the Zentradi ship (Hunter is there???)and their esacpe, and the landing  of SDF-1 back on Earth after 3 years in space.

Now...what happend in that hole?
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Post by: Nico on December 10, 2003, 10:27:34 am
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Since I watched the cut version maby smeone can fill in the blanks for me.

The tape I watched starts with the chrash of SDF-1, then the rebuilding of it. then the Zantradi attack and SDF-1 tries that uber-device that teleports it to Pluto. Then they fight they way back and when the Zentradi Scout self-destructs (with Rick Hunter still inside), the show jumps to  
* HOLE IN STORY*
the Zentradi blasting a asteroid and bombarding SDF-1 with it. Then the battle of the 3 Veritech on board the Zentradi ship (Hunter is there???)and their esacpe, and the landing  of SDF-1 back on Earth after 3 years in space.

Now...what happend in that hole?


Lot of stuff :p

Aki, I'm on the verge of killing myself, I'm stuck at GITS: SAC ep 22 and can't find the 4 last ones :shaking:
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Post by: kode on December 10, 2003, 01:57:02 pm
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Originally posted by Gortef
Gits - SAC had an ending that left me hanging with a WTF^^ Mates -feeling also. Great series though, I'll give it 9/10

seconded. really an a-1 supar series.

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Originally posted by Nico

Aki, I'm on the verge of killing myself, I'm stuck at GITS: SAC ep 22 and can't find the 4 last ones :shaking:


same here...
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Post by: Gloriano on December 10, 2003, 02:06:52 pm
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Originally posted by Gortef
Gits - SAC had an ending that left me hanging with a WTF^^ Mates -feeling also. Great series though, I'll give it 9/10

it's one of my favorites:)
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Post by: Gortef on December 11, 2003, 04:15:11 am
finding them depends on the method... BT  is pretty hard right now since they are allready gone from the lists, I'm not sure about eMule or Kazaa but DC is a sure trick.

I wish you luck Nico and others ^^

That's all I say before this thing goes deepers into a "warez" conversation, unless the others don't mind

The 4 final episodes are online though... but I think they are HK Bootleg DVD rips considering the subs are pretty... err... odd time to times (adding up the confusement).
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Post by: Nico on December 11, 2003, 04:35:42 am
Oh, I see.
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Post by: TrashMan on December 11, 2003, 05:13:24 am
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Now...what happend in that hole?
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Post by: Shrike on December 11, 2003, 05:35:00 am
Apparently it was requested by the people who made GitS that it stopped being distributed, so the entire thing just... died.
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Post by: Nico on December 11, 2003, 06:26:30 am
Well, if there's a planed release for zone1 US DVD, that's all to the honor of the fansub group, that's how it's supposed to be.
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Post by: kode on December 11, 2003, 01:23:01 pm
if it ever becomes available on properly subbed, non-bootleg, dvd's, I'll buy it immediately. great story/stories, music, and so on.

the OST is really good.
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Post by: Nico on December 11, 2003, 02:49:27 pm
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Originally posted by kode

the OST is really good.


I second that, but it's Yoko Kanno so it goes w/o saying :p
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Post by: Gortef on December 11, 2003, 03:34:43 pm
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Originally posted by Shrike
Apparently it was requested by the people who made GitS that it stopped being distributed, so the entire thing just... died.


When Gits - SAC got licenced they did ask all the fansubbers to stop fansubbing and distributing fansubs (as happened to Gundam SEED aswell). But people did fansub it unofficially as has happened to all licenced anime. Gits-SAC is an exeption though with the fact that the remaining 4 eps can be found only as DVD rips (at least that how I did find them).

Nevertheless, if I can find those DVD's I must have them... and Gundam SEED DVD's and...

And I third the OST statement, it is fantastic.
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Post by: kode on December 11, 2003, 04:02:35 pm
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Originally posted by Gortef
Nevertheless, if I can find those DVD's I must have them... and Gundam SEED DVD's and...
 


and every other great series...

hey, you're finnish. you must've heard of silver fang (hoopeanuoli), right?
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Post by: TrashMan on December 12, 2003, 03:26:27 am
Can somebody tell me what happend tin that hole?????

Very short version! Just tell me!

EDIT: Yeah, Yoko Kanno is the best!!!!!! I have around 64 of his works from Escaflowne and a few form some other shows.
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Post by: Gortef on December 12, 2003, 06:13:20 am
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Originally posted by kode

hey, you're finnish. you must've heard of silver fang (hoopeanuoli), right?


Yes I have. I don't have the Box Set yet, but people who have bought it say that it's good.

It's been such a long time since I have seen it so I myslef can't remember a thing :p
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Post by: RangerKarl on December 12, 2003, 07:15:17 am
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Can somebody tell me what happend tin that hole?????

Very short version! Just tell me!

EDIT: Yeah, Yoko Kanno is the best!!!!!! I have around 64 of his works from Escaflowne and a few form some other shows.


Pretty sure Yoko Kanno's a she.......
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Post by: Nico on December 12, 2003, 07:23:00 am
Well yeah, obviously :p
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: kode on December 12, 2003, 08:39:34 am
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Originally posted by Gortef


Yes I have. I don't have the Box Set yet, but people who have bought it say that it's good.

It's been such a long time since I have seen it so I myslef can't remember a thing :p


same here, I'm pretty sure I just saw part 2 when I was little... I just recently bought the swedish dubbed version on dvd, cuz I got tired of waiting for the box set. but it's a definite will-buy in the near future.
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: Gortef on December 13, 2003, 04:21:44 am
yep, same here... not sure about the near future though but I'd really like to have the Box Set
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Post by: TrashMan on December 13, 2003, 12:46:49 pm
Box sets are expensive....
I wanted to buy VoE on DVD.... Too expensive for my pocket.
Had to "aquire" a mpeg an CD's.... Oh well...at least I have it
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Post by: Gortef on December 14, 2003, 07:23:44 am
true that box sets are expensive but usually when you think how much it would cost to buy the dvd's one by one the box set is then cheaper
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: TrashMan on December 14, 2003, 01:09:09 pm
Well...yes.

Tell me - do you hate me? Do you like to torture me guys?
You keep me in susspense! Now, for the last time - WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT HOLE?

EDIT: I have no idea if Yoko Kanno is a he or a she.(alltough I stumled upon one site where it said "Yoko Kanno" and there was a picture of some guy) I only know I like the music!
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Post by: Nico on December 14, 2003, 01:25:08 pm
Yoko Kanno:
(http://www.jpopzone.de/bilder/yokokanno01.jpg)

She does often wear that hat, it seems :p

Trashman: just run a search for "robotech episodes" in google, and read :p
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Post by: TrashMan on December 15, 2003, 01:08:32 pm
thanx for the info....

on the side note - anyone ever watvhed those really old giant robot series like Daitan 3 or Voltron?
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Post by: Nico on December 15, 2003, 01:31:11 pm
Voltron rings some bell, but the only one I can remember is Grendizer ( Goldorak in France ).
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Post by: TrashMan on December 15, 2003, 01:47:13 pm
Voltron - a gigantic robot that is made up out of five lion-like robots. Uses a big flaming sword.

Daitan 3 - a GIGANTIC robot taht resembles a samurai. Uses the power of sun, and has loads of other weapons.

Saber Raider - a robot with TONS of guns controlled by 3 guys (horsman(robot-horse), driver(racing car with guns) and cowboy( a fighter)).
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Post by: Nico on December 15, 2003, 02:01:42 pm
Nope, haven't seen those.
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Post by: Shrike on December 15, 2003, 03:05:08 pm
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Originally posted by TrashMan
on the side note - anyone ever watvhed those really old giant robot series like Daitan 3 or Voltron?
I've seen Gekigangar!
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Post by: Nico on December 15, 2003, 04:29:14 pm
lol :D
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Post by: Gortef on December 16, 2003, 01:15:06 am
Saber Rider, my friend has a one Saber Rider VHS. Pretty cool series. Voltron also rings a bell...
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Post by: TrashMan on December 16, 2003, 01:51:32 am
I've just done a search for Robotech episodes....Damn..only listings...and one short sentence that describes the episode....

Nah...after seeing all the info on the other Robotech shows, I must conclude that the Macross saga is the best (it is the most original and has the best looking Mecha)

Alltough the SDF-1 should be far larger than 1,2 km.... there's no way a city can fit into THAT. Even a small one.
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: Nico on December 16, 2003, 03:55:20 am
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Originally posted by TrashMan
I've just done a search for Robotech episodes....Damn..only listings...and one short sentence that describes the episode....

Nah...after seeing all the info on the other Robotech shows, I must conclude that the Macross saga is the best (it is the most original and has the best looking Mecha)

Alltough the SDF-1 should be far larger than 1,2 km.... there's no way a city can fit into THAT. Even a small one.


Mmh? the  mechas are the same in Macross and robotech ( well, the first part of robotech ), since it IS the deal: they made robotech out of the macross video masters.
As for the size, yeah, they f*cked it up, since the Macross even ends in a city :p
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: TrashMan on December 17, 2003, 09:55:03 am
It should be at least 12km long....

Anybody can thing of some other really cool anime?
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Post by: Nico on December 17, 2003, 11:50:20 am
other really cool animes? I can think of a lot :p
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Post by: Gloriano on December 17, 2003, 11:53:42 am
err.. there is  other cool animes movies/series
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Post by: TrashMan on December 18, 2003, 02:57:42 am
Oh Jeah? Name one!

The ones named here are top of the line. Everything else is more-or-less mute compared to that!!

*unless you count Shin Shan*
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: Gortef on December 22, 2003, 03:36:03 pm
Vandread
Full Metal Panic
Naruto
Star Ocean Ex
Stellvia of the Universe
Prince of Tennis
Gundam SEED

there's a few nice ones IMHO ^^
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Post by: Flaser on December 22, 2003, 04:40:47 pm
Gundam, -||- 0080, -||- 0083, -||- Z and 8th MS to mention the whole UC Gundam saga.

Beside those all mecha shows:
Good looking: Jin Roh, Blood: The Last Vampire, Ghost in the Shell, Macross Plus,
Good sci-fi: Crest of the Star (quite slow, but has very well written characters), Bubblegum Crisis (very good 80-ies jrock soundtrack, good action), Bubblegum Crisis 2040 (the same in 90-ies edition with a better story and contemplative ending, character development)
Good story: Berserk (already mentioned IIRC), Nausica
...and Love Hina for the romantics out there.
Strange but good atmospehere: Noir
Title: ANIME THOUGHTS - Vision of Escaflowne
Post by: Shrike on December 22, 2003, 04:59:36 pm
Hmm, some good ones currently out include Shingetsutan Tsukihime which has vampires and other fun stuff, Full Metal Alchemist if you like lighter stuff, Scrapped Princess which I've mentioned, LastEXILE which is 1930s-style aerial action....
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Post by: TrashMan on December 23, 2003, 01:51:57 am
Hmm....anyone watched music video clips with anime background?

Like, let's say Pulp fiction soundtrack with scenes from Cowboy Bebop?
Or Vivaldi's Summer Storm with Scenes from every anime made so far?
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Post by: Flaser on December 23, 2003, 04:59:11 am
Check this out:

ftp://usteam.uw.hu

Look for the AMV section.
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Post by: Nico on December 23, 2003, 06:38:37 am
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Oh Jeah? Name one!

The ones named here are top of the line. Everything else is more-or-less mute compared to that!!

*unless you count Shin Shan*


I have countless that wouldn't pale in comparison.
You have the oldies like Saint Seiya, Cobra space adventure, The Mysterious cities of gold, Patlabor, You're under arrest, Lodoss, Slayers etc
You have less old stuff like Nadesico, Cowboy bebop, Trigun, Noir, etc
You have the recent stuff like Last EXILE ( my favourite :) ), Scrapped Princess, Vandread, etc

You also have stuff like Azumanga Daioh! ( but that's odd and you have to understand the japanese culture or you won't understand most of the jokes ), Ebichu ( same as Azumanga, but very, very trash :p ), Jungle Wa Itsumo Halle Nochi Guu - Jungle for short :p - ( which is hilarious ), you have the classics like Love Ina ( for the romantic ones, as Flaser said, but it's also quite wacky :p ). You have unknown stuff like Mahou Senshi Riui, that would deserve more fame.

For space scifi only, well, my seelction would be Crest/Banner of the stars, Cowboy Bebop, Macross, Nadesico, Vandread, Outlaw Star ( oldie ), The Heroes of the Galaxy ( classical music, and it's much more about strategies, a very deep and thick thing ), I'm not much a fan, but Kiddy Grade would qualify too. Meh, most stuff by Leiji Matsumoto ( Harlock, Yamato, SSX999, etc ). I'm probably forgetting a lot, but heh.
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Post by: Nico on December 23, 2003, 06:41:52 am
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Hmm....anyone watched music video clips with anime background?

Like, let's say Pulp fiction soundtrack with scenes from Cowboy Bebop?
Or Vivaldi's Summer Storm with Scenes from every anime made so far?


Try the Drunk Song, with Vash from Trigun and, I think Spike from Cowboy Bebop, it was excellent. Also one I don't remember, with shots from Porco Rosso and Nausica, with Mummer's Dance as a music ( Lorrena McKennit ), a very beautiful one.
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Post by: Gortef on December 23, 2003, 12:30:35 pm
if we're talking about AMV's then I must recommend this one

Gundam 08th MS Team - Nightwish - 10th man down

superb AMV, beat and action is nicely synched.

(well ok I do like Nightwish a lot so that might affect my judgement but the video is still very well done)
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Post by: Nico on December 23, 2003, 05:33:12 pm
I just watched the third macross zero episode and... woah!
I didn't like much the CGI in the first one, but there's it's simply jawdropping. The attack on the carrier battlegroup, you have to see it to believe it, that's kicks any real movie so far. Stunning. I would almost put screenshots from that, it's so f'cking cool.
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Post by: Gortef on December 24, 2003, 04:39:28 am
I agree with you Nico, the carrier attack was truly amazing ^^
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Post by: TrashMan on December 24, 2003, 10:12:44 am
So put a few screenies...I haven't seen that
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Post by: kode on December 25, 2003, 05:54:21 am
only AMV I've seen is NGE - Engel. pretty good one.
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Post by: Flaser on December 25, 2003, 01:36:23 pm
Kasperl beat me to it.

Anyway the whole is: NGE - Ramstein: Engel

Recomended AMVs:
End of Evangelion - Nightwish: End of All Hope
Macross Plus - Information High OR Macross Pluss - Hans Zimmerman Stealth
Trigun - Seether Fire: Fine Again
Gundam Wing - Three Doors Down: Kryptonite
Lain - Hughes Hall: Sleep Now

Something that may stike you odd, but can blow you:
NGE - Evita: Lady's Got Potential
the same group also made:

NGE - Quenn: Bohemian Rapsody - NOW IMHO THIS  IS no.1
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Post by: TrashMan on December 25, 2003, 08:57:15 pm
Uuu...seen some of those(Remstein - engel)...the others I will have to find somewhere....
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Post by: Flaser on December 26, 2003, 02:34:54 pm
Check the link I posted a while ago, they have all of them.

ftp://usteam.uw.hu/

Use an ftp client. Anonymus login should be OK.
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Post by: TrashMan on December 26, 2003, 03:33:46 pm
Thanks..have to take a looky there...
I'm gonna make my own clip like that soon...hehehe

Nww..who's the tard that voted 1?!?!?