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Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Triple Ace on December 01, 2003, 09:20:23 am
I just bought the origional Aliens vs Predator and of course it runs really slow on Windows Xp. The compatability mode has no effect. This is not the only game it does this to. It does this with Descent 1 and 2, Dark Forces, Rise of The Triad and some other older games. And some don't work at all. Thoughts and or solutions?
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: kode on December 01, 2003, 10:13:46 am
you've applied the latest patch and all that, right?

I wish I could get ROTT working :( people forgot to bring my secondary computers when they visited me last time, so I'm stuck in nostalgia and no way to play the old games.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Triple Ace on December 01, 2003, 10:29:19 am
Always have the latest patches for everything.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Flaser on December 01, 2003, 10:39:39 am
For DOS games use VDMS.

If you have VESA problems, hit immediately alt-enter - if that doesn't work use NOLFB, if the mouse's stuck use MOUSE2KV.

That's my 2 cents as a start.

If it runs slow it could be some sort of problem with the built in winXP 16-bit support.

Shutdown any other program running in the background - go to Taskmannagger and check the tasks, not applications.
Kill everything other than explorer - it won't let you do so with system apps, so it should free up resources.
Kill your net connection too.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: kasperl on December 01, 2003, 10:48:22 am
use linux.

or, if you have a FAT drive, make a DOS boot floppy, and use that.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: kode on December 01, 2003, 10:54:27 am
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Originally posted by kasperl
use linux.

or, if you have a FAT drive, make a DOS boot floppy, and use that.


ROTT is ported to linux?
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if (not) { then tell me htf I'm going to be playing ROTT anytime soon.
}
else {
you have a spare hdd for me? oh, thank you.
}
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: kasperl on December 01, 2003, 10:56:59 am
no, but linux as some pretty damn good DOS emulators.

and i do have a spare CD-R. you jsut need to dl knoppix, and find a tut on how to edit a Knoppix config.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: kode on December 01, 2003, 11:06:41 am
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Originally posted by kasperl
no, but linux as some pretty damn good DOS emulators.

and i do have a spare CD-R. you jsut need to dl knoppix, and find a tut on how to edit a Knoppix config.


yeah, cuz I know **** about *nix. I'm getting brain damage from using solaris, as I write ls instead of dir when I use cmd at home nowadays. it doesn't work...

and I have NTFS, and letting anything other than NT systems even touch an NTFS drive is playing russian roulette with a reformat if you fail, so even if I got knoppix, which I won't, how would I get to play ROTT, and can you guarantee that it works?

I just need my secondaries...
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: kasperl on December 01, 2003, 11:09:30 am
Knoppix can read, just not write, NTFS.

and i can't garantuee nothing.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: kode on December 01, 2003, 11:14:24 am
that is what I'm saying. I need my secondaries. at least the one with freedos.

oh, btw: FLASER! mind linking to those thingies you mentioned? google seems to hate me today. unless they're actually some retardedly translated stuff in XP that I'm gonna have to find myself.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: CP5670 on December 01, 2003, 12:12:28 pm
XP can run dos games? Does the sound work?

I am using ME and actually get the opposite problem in many games. The original Descent runs way too fast to be playable (the rate at which your ship bobs up and down makes it look like an earthquake), although the D1_3dfx version works very nicely. ROTT and Dark Forces also run at insane speeds. Doom 1/2, Duke Nukem 2, Raptor, Skyroads and some others work fine though. Descent 2 is okay but I have to put in on the maximum resolution and turn off the cockpit to slow it down enough to be playable, or else it is like D1. The main problem is that I haven't been able to get any of the SBLive's SB16 emulation to work since I upgraded the motherboard, so there is no sound in most of the games.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Stryke 9 on December 01, 2003, 12:39:41 pm
You can get a program to temporarily slow down your processor for those. CPU-kill or something like that, look it up on HOTU. Don't imagine it can be good for your computer, but hey...
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Flaser on December 01, 2003, 02:16:08 pm
Duh....

Stryke all it does it makes the processor execute a bunch of blank commands between actually doing any work for the program itself.

BTW CP:
Yes it can, but you need the VDMS to get any sound - that's an emulator however.
So it will work with any soundcard, but will use CPU power - not that it's a big resource hog with games created for 386.
I can run a wide range of programs using it.

The bad use: it can run on NT based OS only.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Krackers87 on December 01, 2003, 02:17:16 pm
i want to play urban assault but it wont start
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Flaser on December 01, 2003, 02:58:38 pm
What platform was it written for?
What did you try to run it?
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Stealth on December 01, 2003, 03:24:27 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
You can get a program to temporarily slow down your processor for those. CPU-kill or something like that, look it up on HOTU. Don't imagine it can be good for your computer, but hey...


those are mainly for older computers...
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Stealth on December 01, 2003, 03:25:44 pm
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Originally posted by CP5670
I am using ME and {problems}


well there's your problem, you're using ME ;) :D
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: jdjtcagle on December 01, 2003, 03:36:48 pm
I had the same problem for freespace 2. It wouldn't play on windows xp. Believe me I tried everything. So I took to my nearest computer repair and droped it of there. They told me that there was a volition or Interplay code for some of there games and some xp versions code not read it. Believe me take it to the nearest repair shop and they'll delete it. Its your best option, It turned out to be the one of the happiest days of my life!:D :nod:
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Stealth on December 01, 2003, 03:53:12 pm
yeah?  so FS1 and FS2 will work on XP?  Interesting... then maybe i won't have to do a dual 98SE and XPPro boot... maybe i can just get away with XP Pro, and have an emulator for older DOS games
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Admiral LSD on December 01, 2003, 05:37:10 pm
FS1 and FS2 work *perfectly* on XP without any ****ing around. I honestly have no idea what jdjtcagle is on about, I've never had any trouble installing and running FS1 or 2 on WinXP.

edit: And ROTT *has* been ported to Linux, it's on icculus.org:

http://www.icculus.org/rott/

There's even a Win32 port there somewhere apparently.

Even the topic of this thread, Aliens vs Predator, has a Linux port in the works:

http://www.icculus.org/avp/
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Triple Ace on December 01, 2003, 07:30:17 pm
I don't have the money to bring it to a repair shop for that. Also both Freesapces work fine. I just want to figure out how to get avp1 to work for now, and the rest after.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Solatar on December 01, 2003, 07:36:24 pm
I can get Dark Forces to run, but with no sound.:(
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Admiral LSD on December 02, 2003, 06:09:00 am
Try VDMSound:

http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=2071
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Flaser on December 02, 2003, 07:48:16 am
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/

The vongons.

THEY ARE THE GODS OF RUNNING OLD GAMES.

Just trust me.

BTW they host both VDMS and OpenGlide
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Triple Ace on December 02, 2003, 08:37:31 am
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Originally posted by Flaser
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/

The vongons.

THEY ARE THE GODS OF RUNNING OLD GAMES.

Just trust me.

BTW they host both VDMS and OpenGlide


I saw nothing of use to me there.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Admiral LSD on December 02, 2003, 09:31:25 am
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Originally posted by Flaser
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/

The vongons.

THEY ARE THE GODS OF RUNNING OLD GAMES.

Just trust me.

BTW they host both VDMS and OpenGlide


...it's just too bad the head admin there is a complete and utter ****.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Kosh on December 02, 2003, 09:35:05 am
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XP can run dos games? Does the sound work?


Without any emulators? Usually no and never. One exception to that was Star Control 2. As long as the no sound parameter was set, it would work perfectly in any version of Windows I have tried it on (ME, 98, 2000, and XP). It was wierd because it was a DOS only program.

I have never had any problems setting up or running FS1 or FS2 on Windows 2000 or XP. Didn't have to mess around with any compatibility things either.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: jdjtcagle on December 02, 2003, 05:42:04 pm
Listen Admiral, if it works for you, then fine.  My FS1 worked fine but my fs2, I ordered, didn't work.  Many people won't know what I talking about, but I have heard people around with the same problem. And XP came out with ALOT of problems, so i'm just saying there could be something blocking the compatibility efforts on XP.  IM glad fs2 and 1 works for you!  Congratulations!!!:hopping:
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: kode on December 02, 2003, 06:14:10 pm
yeah, some people has a problem with getting fs2 running on xp, can't say I'm one of them tho. neither do I know why.
Title: Older games and win xp
Post by: Triple Ace on December 03, 2003, 09:01:54 am
I have gotten AvP1 to work. If you have xp update the binkw32.dll in the AvP directory. The 168k file worked for me. There are different sized ones. Now I just need to find the solution to other games.