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Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: deep_eyes on December 08, 2003, 10:18:53 pm
It was very good, visually and acting wise...

Edward james olmos did a good emotional run throughout the whole 2hr opener...


anythoughts?
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: phreak on December 08, 2003, 10:42:42 pm
is faceman still in the new BSG?
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Liberator on December 09, 2003, 12:10:09 am
Let's go though it a step at the time.(Spoiler tag in use)
Spoiler:


1.  The Galactica is a Hero of the Colonies.  She's also 50 years old and is in the process of being decommissioned and turned into a museum.

2.  Starbuck is a girl and way tougher than Dirk Benedict ever was.

3.  Boomer is a girl now also, and a rookie to boot.

Suffice to say it's shot in the style of a War Documentary.  That is to say the sound effects during the space battles, of which there are far less than you would expect, are minimal.  Also there is a lot of camera movement like the cameraman is having a hard time keeping the action in frame.


All in all, it looks like a good successor to the original.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: neo_hermes on December 09, 2003, 12:34:10 am
What an excellent beginning
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Ace on December 09, 2003, 01:33:42 am
I liked it. Especially all of the tongue in cheek references to the old Cylons :)
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Unknown Target on December 09, 2003, 05:30:18 am
I thought it was OK. It definately had that "polished" look that most Sci-Fi channel series had, but it was good nonetheless, although the space fighting was a bit boring, and some of the acting wasn't the greatest I've seen.


I'll reserve further judgement until I see the second part tonight.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Unknown Target on December 09, 2003, 10:03:33 am
Bit more detailed...

I thought it was OK. I'm no fan-boy of the original, however, I do recognize the promise it had.

The new one seemed, I dunno, it still has the "polished" look of most sci-fi channel original series, which isn't bad, it's just they could've made it a bit more "gritty".

The constant sex was so. dumb. She's complaing about a "gimbal", and five seconds later, as soon as they enter a closed door, shoosh, her clothes are off, and they're...doing some sort of funky monkey mating dance. I dunno, but it looks like they were trying eat each other's face, not kiss and make "passionate, sweet love"  :rolleyes:

Also, the space combat, while OK, was a little boring...the sound effects could've used a major boost, it sounded as if everything was coming through a pillow. Some bass added to the gun sounds would've REALLY helped things. The space combat itself was also merely OK, as mentioned above, however, it was missing...something. Everything just seemed to happen too slow. Hell, the whole episode was pretty slow.


Lastly, I never thought I'd say this, but this thing has too much emotion in it. Every scene was "emotion-packed," and everybody in the scene seemed to be holding back some sort of tears, or anger, or whatever. Heck, through the entire show, no one ever smiled, and if they did, something bad happened to them, at most, 5-6 minutes afterwards.


All in all, though, it was acceptable, but can use some improvement.


Oh, P.S. Didn't the show say that the Galactica was the LAST battlestar (the tour guide said that). Where did the other 30 come from? Oh, and about the (is it Raptor or Rapier?) thingies: if the newer versions got screwed cause they're fly-by-wire, then what are the old ones using? They can't be using analog, cause, well, that would just be impossible, unless you want to have fragile control strings pull a little lever that fires each thruster when the stick is pulled.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Ace on December 09, 2003, 10:59:01 am
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Bit more detailed...

I thought it was OK. I'm no fan-boy of the original, however, I do recognize the promise it had.

The new one seemed, I dunno, it still has the "polished" look of most sci-fi channel original series, which isn't bad, it's just they could've made it a bit more "gritty".

The constant sex was so. dumb. She's complaing about a "gimbal", and five seconds later, as soon as they enter a closed door, shoosh, her clothes are off, and they're...doing some sort of funky monkey mating dance. I dunno, but it looks like they were trying eat each other's face, not kiss and make "passionate, sweet love"  :rolleyes:

Also, the space combat, while OK, was a little boring...the sound effects could've used a major boost, it sounded as if everything was coming through a pillow. Some bass added to the gun sounds would've REALLY helped things. The space combat itself was also merely OK, as mentioned above, however, it was missing...something. Everything just seemed to happen too slow. Hell, the whole episode was pretty slow.


Lastly, I never thought I'd say this, but this thing has too much emotion in it. Every scene was "emotion-packed," and everybody in the scene seemed to be holding back some sort of tears, or anger, or whatever. Heck, through the entire show, no one ever smiled, and if they did, something bad happened to them, at most, 5-6 minutes afterwards.


All in all, though, it was acceptable, but can use some improvement.


Oh, P.S. Didn't the show say that the Galactica was the LAST battlestar (the tour guide said that). Where did the other 30 come from? Oh, and about the (is it Raptor or Rapier?) thingies: if the newer versions got screwed cause they're fly-by-wire, then what are the old ones using? They can't be using analog, cause, well, that would just be impossible, unless you want to have fragile control strings pull a little lever that fires each thruster when the stick is pulled.


The Galactica was the last of her class as I recall.

The older fighters were using very basic computers, ones that are probably much more resistant to the jamming.

But yeah, the sex scene things were a bit lame, even though I was supposed to lead up to "Great Sacrifice!!!!111111" later on when they landed on that planet.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Liberator on December 09, 2003, 11:32:16 am
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this thing has too much emotion in it


You've got to remember. they're telling the story of the genocide of billions of people.  Everybody onboard the Galactica has lost friends and family.  I would be more incredulous if they didn't show some emotion.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Unknown Target on December 09, 2003, 12:02:47 pm
Yea, but they're also trained to A) Take thousands and thousands of casualties, and B) Kill thousands and thousands of people.

So they should be a LITTLE better at hiding their emotions. I mean, the captain should not immediatly almost break down on the bridge after his son died. It'd probably be even more dramatic if it showed him doing whatever for a bit, then retiring when to his room they're jumping, and break down crying or something.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Liberator on December 09, 2003, 12:15:21 pm
They do, they're not breaking down and crying in public.  As far as they know they're the only active warship of any real power left and they realize that if they go out of action, humanity has no hope left.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Unknown Target on December 09, 2003, 12:25:49 pm
Meh, I just don't like how every time an ensign hands the commander a message, it looks like he's gonna cry.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Liberator on December 09, 2003, 12:49:26 pm
That's because every time he gets a message, it's a casualty report.

The whole thing is very somber.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Deepblue on December 09, 2003, 01:19:28 pm
Bah. Sorry I missed it. Anyone know if they will rerun the opener?
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Sandwich on December 09, 2003, 02:32:38 pm
What's the filena-errrr.... episode name? :D
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: vyper on December 09, 2003, 05:56:35 pm
From what I've heard so far this sounds like it bites. :(
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Solatar on December 09, 2003, 07:22:59 pm
Dunno about anywhere else, but the season opener is on right now where I'm at. Looks like it started at 7:00.:yes:

I'm too young to have loved the original (when I watched it, it was like me watching Star Wars at the time. I didn't understand the meaning, I just liked the fighting.:D), but this one seems like a pretty good show. Not sure how it compares to the original though.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: demon442 on December 09, 2003, 09:36:08 pm
I missed the opener, so im not going to watch the finale.  Just as soon as they do a complete encore i'll watch, but not until.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: an0n on December 09, 2003, 09:52:24 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich
What's the filena-errrr.... episode name? :D

Piracy is acceptable when the series is old'n'dead, fledgeling and needs support, not (yet) aired in your country or native tongue.

Like how no-one would care if you pirate episodes of BlackAdder or Firefly.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Unknown Target on December 09, 2003, 10:01:15 pm
Ok, HELLS NO!

BIG SPOILER:

Spoiler:


they ****ing made BOOMER a cylon!

Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Liberator on December 09, 2003, 10:03:22 pm
Yes, there is a reason she's called a Battlestar!:eek: :eek:
*boom* *boom boom* Heheh!

And for those who want to see the whole thing all at once, SciFi is re-airing it Sunday at 6:00p.m. eastern.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Sandwich on December 10, 2003, 01:20:25 am
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Originally posted by an0n

Piracy is acceptable when the series is old'n'dead, fledgeling and needs support, not (yet) aired in your country or native tongue.

Like how no-one would care if you pirate episodes of BlackAdder or Firefly.


First off, I don't have a TV. At all. Don't feel like paying money each month for just owning a TV set, since most of what's on is crap. So whether it's been aired here or not,  I'll never know.

But anyway, what's the difference between downloading an episode and taping it off the TV? No exposure to the TV ads? If that's the case, why isn't TiVio (or whatever it's called) illegal?
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Ace on December 10, 2003, 01:54:33 am
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Ok, HELLS NO!

BIG SPOILER:



Yeah, that was a bit of a shock.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Liberator on December 10, 2003, 02:00:06 am
Yeah that was a shocker.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Dark_4ce on December 10, 2003, 12:46:37 pm
I didn't like the new series... It was boring IMHO...:doubt: Somehow it just didn't capture the essence of the old series. But I guess it wasn't trying to. Everything just unfolded to damn slowly. And this whole invasion? What damn invasion? All of the colonial fleet get decimeated and all you see is TWO damn cylon ships duke it out with some vipers for a minute. I mean ugh...:ick: The original 1978 pilot episode was insanely action packed and you really had the sence that it was an invasion! But here... I dunno. It was just empty. But I've only seen the first part. lets see what happens in part 2...
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Ace on December 10, 2003, 01:03:47 pm
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I didn't like the new series... It was boring IMHO...:doubt: Somehow it just didn't capture the essence of the old series. But I guess it wasn't trying to. Everything just unfolded to damn slowly. And this whole invasion? What damn invasion? All of the colonial fleet get decimeated and all you see is TWO damn cylon ships duke it out with some vipers for a minute. I mean ugh...:ick: The original 1978 pilot episode was insanely action packed and you really had the sence that it was an invasion! But here... I dunno. It was just empty. But I've only seen the first part. lets see what happens in part 2...


I don't know, from a modern perspective you could say the original movie/pilot didn't have a ton of action since you just had Cylon fighters blasting the capships that were sitting around doing nothing.

The second part of the new miniseries shows the Galactica using flak weapons and such.

Overall though, the new miniseries due to the heavy US-military naval things feels more like what the Wing Commander movie should have. (Replace Cylons with Kilrathi and Galactica designs with WC1 ships)
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Dark_4ce on December 10, 2003, 03:26:02 pm
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Originally posted by Ace

Overall though, the new miniseries due to the heavy US-military naval things feels more like what the Wing Commander movie should have. (Replace Cylons with Kilrathi and Galactica designs with WC1 ships)


You have good point there. I instantly started feeling like this was eerily reminicent of Wing Commander.

And I understand what you mean by a bunch of Cylons taking out battlestars that weren't really doing anything. The old series did have its faults. And quite a few of them. :D But it kept the pace going, it didn't bore you, it introduced the characters and went straight to the point. That cylons did not want peace with humans. So they attack at the colonies moment of weakness. They fake a peace treaty, and then attack. A bit on the lines of a Pearl Harbor raid. Quick and sudden, so you don't know what will happen next. Then a big furious dogfight scene (albeit alot of reused footage but still keeping with the tempo). After that you have a breather, the viewer has gone thru all that with the characters and wants to know what happens next. Not to mention a good dollup of noisy sound effects and music.

All of that was literaly non existent in the new version. Yes, they put alot into character development. But they put almost too much. And it stretched on and on. With monotonous dialogue and non-emotional closeups. Really, with all this promise of a big invasion, all you see is a shot straight ripped out of Terminator 3. Then with the space battles, you got no sounds, just vipers that are highpowered pea-shooters with perhaps some percussion music while you see a couple of poorly shot (and what shocked me was that these shots were done purposefully like that) space scenes. And then when the ships explode. All you hear is a pff. No KABOOM and ****load of flames and debris. (I know the scientificly correct people out there will go "Hey theres no sound in space, and little flames. Cut your yappin. Its realistic." But when you're making a movie, rarely do people really care if its scientifically true or not. It has to be entertaining. And sound and eye candy do that. Look at the original Star Wars battle of ROTJ. Now take all the flames away, take the music away. Add a few drums. And take all the sound effects away. You'll see what I mean.)

I just think it was poorly executed. Way too long beggining. Virtually no action. And when there is action, way too spread out to keep it at all interesting. Dull dialogue, way too ambient music, and no, UMPF. Another good example on where they did it right was Space above and Beyond. Now THAT had an excelent pilot episode. I was really hoping that the long wait would have a long pay off with the invasion. But there wasn't any. Just constant reports.
"Sir, the cylons are attacking."
"Confirm it."
20 mins later.
"Sir, the cylons have nuked the colonies."
"oh."
20 mins later.
"Sir the cylons have destroyed half the fleet."
"Oh. I guess I'm in charge."
20 mins later.
"Sir, there are two cylon ships imbound."
"Oh. Send out an entire squadron."
10 mins later.
"Sir, we got a nuke heading our way."
"Oh. Brace for impact."

Yeee....:doubt:

Now for the changes they made. I suprisingly have no real problem with that. Starbuck being a woman, I don't see as a problem. I actually though, "hey cool." Tho she aint the hottest actress around. Boomer being a woman was perhaps a bit annoying. Not the fact that she was a woman, just the fact that I didn't see the reason for her to be one, since the gimmick was used on Starbuck. After these two changes, I was slightly afraid when Appollo came aboard. I was either expecting; Another Woman, another woman who in fact is a transvestite, or a gay man. Cause it seemed like they were trying to make it for as wide an audience as possible. But anyway, the new cylons looked cool. La femme Fatale #6 was quite a pointless idea (though having her brake that baby's neck was a nice if not odd touch). Making Baltar innocent took away some of that good ol' bad guy charm he had in the old series.

Oh well. This is just my oppinion, from a guy who expected a alot more than what he got....
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Liberator on December 10, 2003, 06:30:43 pm
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I was really hoping that the long wait would have a long pay off with the invasion. But there wasn't any. Just constant reports.
"Sir, the cylons are attacking."
"Confirm it."
20 mins later.
"Sir, the cylons have nuked the colonies."
"oh."
20 mins later.
"Sir the cylons have destroyed half the fleet."
"Oh. I guess I'm in charge."
20 mins later.
"Sir, there are two cylon ships imbound."
"Oh. Send out an entire squadron."
10 mins later.
"Sir, we got a nuke heading our way."
"Oh. Brace for impact."


Okay, what are you gonna do.  You're on board a ship with no firepower and very few fighters, she was being decommisioned for crying out loud.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Solatar on December 10, 2003, 08:05:59 pm
Wait....Right now some horror movie is on...The "mini-series" was only two episodes...please tell me I'm wrong...
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: deep_eyes on December 10, 2003, 10:28:13 pm
my gf said that more were coming, just dont know when.... for now i guess they were testing the waters for veiwer response, but i think there gonna show more, just intime for the new season coming next feb...
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Dark_4ce on December 11, 2003, 03:51:48 am
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Originally posted by Liberator


Okay, what are you gonna do.  You're on board a ship with no firepower and very few fighters, she was being decommisioned for crying out loud.


Well it could have been done a bit better. IE, actually show some clips of the big invasion with the fleet getting destroyed. Or atleast make the reports a bit more livelier with some sort of montage or something. Maybe add a bit more engrossing music!

Anyway, I watched part 2. Hmmm. Well, it was a tad better. I have to admit tho, that this series has almost nothing in common anymore with the old one. So I'm wondering why they're using its name. Maybe if they would have renamed it and jazzed it up a bit, I would maybe like it. BUT, since this was a Pilot for a series, I'm going to give the actually future episodes a shot. Maybe with a 45min time constraint they can make the story flow faster and actually bump up the pace to keep it interesting. So, all isn't lost yet.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Solatar on December 11, 2003, 07:40:02 pm
:nod:
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Linterluthion on December 12, 2003, 06:51:42 am
Well, I think that if it were an original series, the new BSG would be great. But, since it is going off the old one there is something to live up to. And in that sense they are not doing so well. As Dark 4rce pointed out, the action is totally dummed down, and they have "modernized" it by adding all the "necessary" sex.:ick But, for the show, it does bring a new twist to the series by upgrading the cylons, their basestars, fighters, and making the cylon/human lookalikes. Good show everyone.;7
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Nico on December 12, 2003, 07:28:05 am
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Somehow it just didn't capture the essence of the old series.


It didn't capture kitchiness?
Darn!
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: aldo_14 on December 12, 2003, 02:02:19 pm
What, no half baked excuse to send the cast into modern day / past Earth (as seen in every Star Trek series)?
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Linterluthion on December 12, 2003, 02:43:53 pm
:mad: is it just me, or did everyone get only two episodes so far. Wish they would play a show every night, at a regular time.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Dark_4ce on December 13, 2003, 05:22:13 am
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Originally posted by Nico


It didn't capture kitchiness?
Darn!


Yes, that. But most importantly, they didn't keep up with the tempo or the urgency of it all. Right now, I don't really care if the characters die or not. But, if the continue with a series, then I'll watch a few episodes, see if they've sped it up a bit. The new BSG is just WAY too BORING.
Title: it confused me...
Post by: Star Dragon on December 13, 2003, 06:26:37 am
First of all I AM the bigest BSG fanboy so I am biased...

  If you never saw the original read this paragraph:
   Though the action scenes are few and far between the rest of the story is decent. The writer basicly scrapped the original story except for two elements (humans & cylons at war). Plus he ripped off all the original names of the characters regardless of gender or even ethnicity, but that doesn't matter, as teh new actors do thier characters a good showing, and some even look like this is gonna be good! I love how the new tech gets F-ed over by the cylons and now this floating "museum" is the only hope of the remaining 50,000 humans in the galaxy. They wanted to get the opera out of space opera (which is silly cause that's what it was desgined for people!), but it sorta works. It's main weak point is that it rips off the original but it's strong points are that the special effects are top notch, the acting is string, and it's ONLY a mini-series so it will be over soon! The new fighters adn teh old look of the Galactica is cool but we need MORE ACTION! especially from teh base Stars...
My overall score out of 10 is a 7-8 I like it a lot.

   This is for fans of the original show:  Because I loved BSG so much the new writer really upset me from his attitude in the interview (BSG the Low down) He may not realise it but he basicly poo pooed teh original and said, "this is what I thought BSG should be" and basicly said though he hoped fans would like the new one he didn't care. (In fact I don't think he even knows anything about the show besides the opening movie, because he didn't come across very well asbeing very knowledgible about BSG at all! Even some of teh actors in their interviews seemed confused about the cylons.) I would have enjoyed it more if I had never heard of BSG before and knew nothing of the original or the original actors, or of Richard Hatch's bid to do the contunuing story he wrote for teh 20 years annerverasry with the full support of those surviving cast members!!!! I signed the petition last year in support of him! Least they can do is release the rights and green light his story Galactica 20 yarhens later (the Second Comming)! Has anyone seen the trailer at a con? If they could have done the mini-series ove I would have one wish. To make everyone involved watch every episode of the original series (not that crap galactica 80, all the senseless earth garbage!), so they can unserstand the history of the story plus get into the character's heads.

Breakdown

  Adama was good, Apollo so far was empty (I have only seen episode1), starbuck has potential, Baltar is a whinny sissy (someone PLEASE shoot him in the head full clip?), the rest - so far- I don't care for... Maybe part two will pick up, plus although the short fights are ok I wanna see the Big G and the Base Stars go toe to toe like the Pegasus did with two of them in the Original! Episodes called "The living Legend part I & II" starring Commander Cain (Sheba's Father)... Forgot the actor but he was teh head controller on teh movie "Airplane!" lol...

"I picked the wrong week to stop killing cylons!"

   To clear up any confusion. The cylons were created by a race called the Cylons. They were reptilian humanoids and created a machine army to be slaves and protect their empire. The Machines rebelled and destryoed almost all the original species and took the name Cylons for themselves as an identity. The Cylon Imperious leader appears to be the only , or one of teh only origina cylons left as he is over 1000 years old. and in actuality is teh entity known as Count Eblis (the BSG version of Q but totally evil and more limited)...

   The humans and Cylons were at war for almost 1000 years till Baltar arranged for an armistice to be signed by both races at Cimtar on the Cylon border. The stipulation was that all 12 Battlestars attend the "peace Signing". cimtar is far from the 12 colony worlds (named after our astrological constellations: Virgo, Picsis, Taurus, Capricorn ect..).

   basically it's an ambush and 1000 fighters (and the two huge tankers that refuled them in the cimtar nebula) tie up colonial forces long enough for all their Base Stars to decimate teh colony worlds... Oh and Baltar flees...

Galactica survies ONlY cause Adama takes the intiative and breaks ranks to go to Caprica's defense but they are too late, and a legend is born...

If you never saw the movie or any of the series I implore you to do so as it is "space Opera" at it's finiest and deservedly should take it's place in the public's perception of sci-fi greatness right along side Star Trek and Star wars, B5 ect...

Oh yeh in case you didn't know there WAS a Wing Commander movie made a fe years ago. If you want to learn how to F -up a movie but still get your point across that is how to do it. I mean they had the ORIGINAL STORY, and all the major characters, (even if they used Freddy Prince Jr instead of LUKE who MADE THAT ROLE FIRST!) he he, bt my two main bithces were the Kilrathi looked sick and pathetic, adn the Confeds only had two types of fighters and they both sucked and looked like WWII corsairs with rockets mounted on teh back!! Were are the WC1,1,3,4, or even 5 ships? they had like over 20 fighter designes they could have used that were cannon and looked just as cool as any other sci-fi show you ever saw. Basicly I was rooting for the Kilrathi cause I'd shoot anyone flying those pieces of garbage out of simpathy! :nod:  The WORST part of it was they did the kilrathi ships right on though???
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: Liberator on December 13, 2003, 12:26:14 pm
Take a breath.  Count to 10.  And CALM DOWN!

The writer said if you were a fanboi of the original you wouldn't like the new version.  You only have yourself to blame.

As far as the WC movie;  They were tasked with taking a 5 part, 70 hour+ game series and condense it down to 2 hours AND make accessible to Joe Blow on the street who have NEVER played a WC game nor probably even heard of it before they saw an advertisement.  Could it have been done better?  Sure.  But it was pretty good all the same.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: aldo_14 on December 13, 2003, 05:42:48 pm
I liked the fighters in the WC movie.  Still a pish movie, though.
Title: Battlestar Galactica Miniseries Opener...
Post by: JTK-1701-E on December 14, 2003, 02:49:09 am
here's a post I made about the BSG series vs BSG miniseries, I'm putting it all into spoiler mode so someone doesn't get POed at me.

Spoiler:

The Battlestar Galactica miniseries is a rape of science fiction. Very few shows, Sci-Fi or not, survive one raping (in Galactica's case, Galactica 1980), fewer survive long enough to get raped a second time (Battlestar Galactica miniseries on Sci-Fi). I only hope that this monumental failure serves as a lesson to for those retards that want to reshape an established series, in any form, to thier own design, that it will end in failure.

Lets start at the beginning:
Battlestar Galactica HAD a promising future. It was 1979, and, for lack of a better description, was going to be the first "Babylon 5". BSG (what I will refer to as Battlestar Galactica from this point on) had the foundations for a great story-line. The twelve colonies of Cobal (the REAL human homeworld) were at war. They had 12 battlestars, or a combonation of a battleship and carrier, and each were the top of the line ship. However the Cylon empire (later on these dudes) had far more ships and quickly overwhelmed all but two of the Battlestars. The Galactica, and the few surviving ships that were rescued go looking for the 13th tribe of Cobal, or in other words, Earth. They find Cobal, and confirm that a 13th tribe exists, just in time for the Cylons to bomb the place to dust. The second Battlestar - Pegasus (I believe), is found, and ends up engaging 2 Cylon basestars, and is presumed destroyed.

The origin of the Cylons were that a reptilian race designed and built the first mechanical Cylons, who then destroyed them and assumed thier name.

Please note that this happens over the course of a whole season, so not all this happens in the opening episode.

Well, I'll list what I DO like about the mini-series: (so far)
The Cylon "warriors" look like something that is designed for battle.
The Cylon "fighters" are designed far better, instead of a machine being piloted by machines (much less three), it is just one machine.

What I don't like:
Moore's complete raping of the time line.
Starbuck is not a woman.
Boomer is a big black man, not a short asian chick.
The Battlestar Galactica IS A FLAGSHIP, not some 50 year old crap heap.
Cylons aren't sexy blonde women, and as such, thier spines would not glow red during sex.
The Cylons were not built by humans.
If you're going to make a ship of the line (AKA Battleships/Carriers/HUGE WARSHIPS) you make thier computers harder than hell to access from the outside SO YOUR ENTIRE FLEET OF 120 BATTLESTARS AREN'T DESTROYED WITHOUT CAUSING ONE CYLON CASUALTY.

Secondly, I have a quote from this weeks "TV Guide":
"...But Moore hopes a new generation of sci-fi lovers will be blown away by the shows numerous sex scenes and it's state-of-the-art special effects.
Sex and Anger just might work..."
This shows how degraded Sci-fi producers see thier core audiences, as nothing but sex hungry explosion mongers. Unfortuneately the writers, producers, and directors all missed the main idea of the original BSG wasn't sex and anger, it was hope, something that sex and anger can never replace, onscreen or otherwise.

I can continue this list on forever, but the main idea is, what was shown tonight WAS NOT BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. It would have been fine if Moore changed the name of the ship to something else, changed the names of the big bad guys, and changed the names of the primary characters, I wouldn't nearly feel like an institution of Sci-Fi was being helplessly raped a second time. However, it is, and it was.

The part of Baltar is completely screwed up:
He was a very powerful corrupt POLITICIAN, not a computer programmer.
He wasn't seduced by a woman/machine, he was seduced by POWER that the cylons offered him.

For a time in the original series he even worked with the cylons on thier basestars, and was eventually captured by the Battlestar Galactica and put onto the prison ship following after the Galactica.

Oh, and not to ruin it for those of you who want to watch it:
One of the main characters is a Cylon, who either does a really good job of hiding it, or is a moron. This is not an original concept as seen by:
Star Trek: DS9 - The security cheif who went maverick
Star Trek: DS9 - The shapeshifter who looked like Bashir
Babylon 5: Garabaldi after he was kidnapped by the psicorps
Space: Above and Beyond: The "senator" in the last episode having information that the Chigs existed and invaded thier space
Matrix: Cypher

Secondly, Adama, as well as the rest of the crew and ships KNEW Earth existed, he didn't have to lie about it to "give people something worth living for". That was just lame.

It's just sad to see such a promising premise fall into such cliched Sci-Fi.


In short, the miniseries killed my inner child.
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Post by: Turnsky on December 14, 2003, 03:34:31 am
hmm.... one can take "artistic license" only so far until it's almost completely different (read: ****ed up) ..

this is the case it seems..
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Post by: Stryke 9 on December 14, 2003, 04:45:46 am
On the other hand, Boomer is hot.
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Post by: 01010 on December 14, 2003, 04:58:12 am
If I could find a way to package sex and anger together as a foodstuff you can guarantee I'd be a millionaire within a week.

Pimp-O's breakfast cereal. I like it.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on December 14, 2003, 05:04:05 am
Now with marshmallow bombs and vaginas!



Hm... that might need some work.
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Post by: Linterluthion on December 14, 2003, 07:58:16 am
It needs something that is in the box. Like a toy...

A mushroom in a pimp outfit. :thepimp: It genius. No one will ever know our true plans...*laughs demonically*  :drevil:
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Post by: Nuclear1 on December 14, 2003, 06:36:59 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Now with marshmallow bombs and vaginas!



Hm... that might need some work.


...and kids start looking at the bottom of the box for the free wang that comes with it.
Title: to Liberator
Post by: Star Dragon on December 14, 2003, 06:58:28 pm
Um excuse me...
 
   I the ultimate fanboy (not fanboi, but I won't get on you for that if you people learn to accept TURRENTS!) :)

   I DID like it, in fact I gave it a 7-8 outta 10 so once again the writter is WRONG! And you DIDN'T read my post carefully as I stated I like it so I am to blame for nothing! (not that anyone ever pays attention to my rants , cause although I try to keep quiet when I start to talk I don't shut up cause I have something to say or if someone provokes me)... So how am I to blame for liking it? I just don't like HOW he did it...

   As for rape? That's pretty harsh, I rather think he had this cool idea for a "re-imagination" but it only works if you pretend teh original never happened... That's why I consider teh mini-series an "Alternate Universe"...

   After all think of it. What would the old cylons do to teh "NEW" cylons? Kill them of course, as they as almost indistinguisable from normal HUMANS! KILL THE HUMANS ALL ORGANIC LIFE MUST PERISH! (Jesus! Ever wonder if Bender from Futurama COULD be a cylon spy? Am I crazy or is he just really bad at hiding it?)  ;7

rant over, unless I get poked with a stick! (sorry guys!)
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Post by: Beowulf on December 14, 2003, 07:43:07 pm
I loved it. What I didn't like was the fact it was too much like a television series and not a movie.... the ending blew.

But the combat...

Ohh the combat....

Sooooooo good! Not enough, MHO!

Edit: It was way better than the original. Much better characters, ships, everything. New Cylons were awesome! Nuke effects could've been better 'though...
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Post by: Su-tehp on December 14, 2003, 08:09:27 pm
Has anyone heard anything about SciFi maybe turning this into a regular series? That would seriously rock ass...

I heard that SciFi would turn BG into a regular weekly series if they got a good response from the audience; has anyone heard any word of this?
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Post by: Liberator on December 14, 2003, 11:55:26 pm
Since it's been about a week since it came out?

No, no I haven't.

However, they would probably have to dump everything except SG-1 to maintain production values.
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Post by: Sandwich on December 15, 2003, 12:55:53 am
Quote
Originally posted by Su-tehp
Has anyone heard anything about SciFi maybe turning this into a regular series? That would seriously rock ass...


Haven't heard, no.

Quote
Originally posted by Su-tehp
I heard that SciFi would turn BG into a regular weekly series if they got a good response from the audience; has anyone heard any word of this?


.... Uhh... can't say I heard about that either.... :wtf:
Title: new series
Post by: redmenace on April 21, 2004, 06:53:56 am
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/updates/
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Post by: an0n on April 21, 2004, 06:58:27 am
YEY!

Katee Sackhoff is hot.
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Post by: Flipside on April 21, 2004, 12:22:32 pm
It's difficult to say, if anything, I felt people weren't affected enough by the cold-blooded annihalation of their entire species.

The Cylons not being able to effect the Mk2 Vipers was explained near the beginning, as was the 'old' technology (valves etc) on the Galactica, and it was to prevent the Cylons doing exactly what they DID do to the new stuff.

Thoroughly enjoyed the movie in that respect, but I do hope that the series tries to follow along the lines of the old series when it comes to that 'feelgood' factor.

Also, by the end of the movie, I found myself really really wanting just to see one gratuitous scene of Cylons having their butts kicked by the Galactica, I know it wouldn't have worked in the first episode there, but I really hope it happens at least once in the series :D