Originally posted by Linterluthion
And, inregards to TT, if you didn't like the Helm's Deep scene, you need help. Sorry to be blunt. :p
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Meh, it was certainly impressive to watch. It was the cliff bit I object to. Having just begun Morgoth's ring, I consider myself a Tolkien UberFanBoy and thus feel I am allowed to ***** about Jackson's 'creativity'
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Bah. And I suppose you went in to Titanic knowing how that would end as well?
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Er... I think you miss my point 01
Originally posted by LinterluthionThe Elves shouldn't have been there. I dare you to deny that.
And, inregards to TT, if you didn't like the Helm's Deep scene, you need help. Sorry to be blunt. :p
Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
The Elves shouldn't have been there. I dare you to deny that.
Originally posted by NicoI meant more like Peter Jackson taking elements from Kurosawa's films.
I doubt it, Kurosawa died 3 years ago already :(
Originally posted by neo_hermes
*Smacks Venom*
Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I heard somewhere that a lot of the battle scenes are inspired by a Japanese director named Kurosawa.....
Originally posted by icespeed
i think im going a week or two after it comes out with steak, if we ever get our acts together. he's going on a beach mission and i'll be out of sydney for christmas. it sounds majorly majorly cool. and yes, i agree, it'll be better than matrix revolutions, if only because most things would be. not that revolutions was that bad... just a bit of a let down... hopefully rotk won't be.
Originally posted by Linterluthion
YOU ARE NOT THE WEILDER OF NARSIL. THAT WOULD BE ARAGORN.
Originally posted by Nico
Don't need to wait anymore: it rocked, 'nough said.
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Shows what you know. He actually is the wielder of Narsil. He got it for his birthday last year and showed us all the photos of it. If you're going to shout, please get your facts right first. Thanks.
Originally posted by Venom
loooooooooool
no, of course not:D
but thats a great Idea for a alternativ end:D
Originally posted by TrashMan
I was thinking of ordering it myself. Alltough I have to raise the money first. But I'm not sure weather to buy a two-handed sword or Anduril!?;7
Got tickets for the show on 25th. What a Christmas this will be!
Originally posted by Sandwich
:wtf: How'd you get the exact same avatars as Nico/Venom? Methinks Styxx needs to fix the update script. :doubt:
Originally posted by Singh
*just shakes his head*
Sorry, dont watch LOTR......
*sits and waits in hopes that someday, somewhere, somehow.....someone will make a movie based on Freespace*
Originally posted by an0n
*drools* (http://www.weaponmasters.com/index.html?ID=fb744821a6f990668ec980f4b2e3012e&ITEM=WMNC001)
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Dude... they're, like... not expensive. This is bad, because my brother and I will buy a set each and fight.
Originally posted by Ashrak
i got tickets for premiere :D 02.01.2004 :)
Originally posted by Stunaep
I've got tickets for the pre-release. 01.01.2004. :ha:
Originally posted by NeoHunter
Stop it, the two of you.
I watched it already. Yesterday. In Singapore. You guys are slow.:D
Originally posted by Singh
Your from singapore?
And you saw it?
Which theathor? Golden Village or...?
Originally posted by Singh
Yes, sort of.
Originally posted by Stunaep
I've got tickets for the pre-release. 01.01.2004. :ha:
Originally posted by Singh
There is in my case ;)
Originally posted by NeoHunter
*slaps head*
Originally posted by Singh
Not sure if it is worth seeing
Originally posted by Singh
On another note, I was offered by my cousin to go see LOTR: ROTK, but I declined it. Should i have gone? Not sure if it is worth seeing, not to mention I havent seen the previous 2 stories or seen the books.
Originally posted by Singh
You mean they survived? No twists? nothing unexpected??
Darn......
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Have you not been reading this thread? Hell even mikhael liked it, and he hates everything.
Originally posted by TrashMan
*ties Singh to a pole, sets it on fire and screams:" DIE HERETIC!"*
Originally posted by NeoHunter
Go watch it. Its worth every buck.
Originally posted by NeoHunter
I agree. The ending was wayyyyyyy too boring. Sure. You want to tie up some loose ends but at least spare us the crying and tears and goodbyes. I hate those.
Originally posted by mikhael
As for me, well, I was right there reciting the poems along with the characters under my breath and cheered like a banshee when the Witch King of Angmar got his comeuppance. ;)
And afterwards, I went on to explain to my wife who Manwe and Aule and Mandos and Morgoth and the rest were and why Sauron needed the ring so badly. And my wife who hates this stuff and especially hates me explaining backstory, she loved it all. She especially loved the history and the end of the time of the Elves. :D
Originally posted by Singh
Says who? I don't have money to spend on this. food, internet and sci-fi comes before LOTR :P
Originally posted by Ace
Sauron is Frodo's father.
Originally posted by TrashMan
SAURON: Khhhh...Frodo! I am your father!
FRODO: Noooooooooo!...Wait a sec! Aren't you too big and old to be my father?
SAURON: Well..uumm...it's ...
*Eonwe and Manwe arrive. Manwe picks up sauron and gives him a spanking*
MANWE: You've been a bad boy Sauron! Now you're going to Mandos..and without supper!"
SAURON: Noooooooooooooooooooo!
Originally posted by Singh
/teasing
ok, so im sorely tempted to go watch after the seeing many shots. But am VERY hesitant in doing so, especially considering the fact that I've not seen the previous movies and dont know a clue of what the story is about except that its your standard good vs evil super-hero battle where sad and tragic things happen.
Originally posted by NeoHunter
Man, where were you?! On some backwater planet?!
Originally posted by NeoHunter
Its "Rohan" and not "Rohirrim" isn't it?
Originally posted by Sandwich
In Hebrew, the -im suffix is the plural, so it was hard for me to not think of "Rohirrim" as "all you Rohan dudes". :p
Originally posted by karajorma
That's actually pretty much what it means. :)
IIRC Rohan is the country and Rohirrim the people. So although they are often called the Riders of Rohan, Rohirrim is also correct.
Originally posted by an0n
I'm still waiting for someone to inform me as to the nature of Morgoth and ****.
Originally posted by an0n
Err...anyway: Did they do something stupid like give Gimlii magic elf-wings to make the finale more dramatic?
Sauron: The Dark Lord, and the inheritor of Morgoth, the first Dark Lord. A Maiar (spirit) who was seduced by Morgoth, Sauron came to serve as Morgoth's prime lieutenant, and held the fortress of Angband for him during the war with the Valar. At the close of the First Age, when Morgoth was defeated in the Great Battle and cast into the Void by the Valar, Sauron fled and hid somewhere in Middle Earth. He remained hidden for a time, before slowly reestablishing his power and gathering minions to his side. By the year 1000 of the Second Age he was strong enough to establish the realm of Mordor and start building the Barad-dur. Using a fair guise and cunning words, he seduced the Elves of Eregion, led by the master-craftsman Celebrimbor, and combined their expertise with his own to create the Rings of Power. For the Elves, Celebrimbor himself crafted three Rings. Nine Rings were given to mortal Men and seven to the Dwarves, all of whom coveted the Rings for their beauty and power. To control the Rings and their users, Sauron then forged The One Ring, and let much of his power pass into it. In this way Sauron hoped to ensnare the free peoples.
The nine Rings given to Men ensnared their users, and they became the Nazgûl; the Dwarves proved indomitable, and the Rings could not control them; the Elves escaped Sauron’s trap when Celebrimbor realized the treachery and hid the Elven Rings. In this way, the Elven Rings—which had never been touched by Sauron—escaped his taint, and were never subject directly to the control of the One. With his deceptions laid bare, Sauron resorted to force, and invaded the West, destroying Eregion and overrunning much of Eriador, before being stopped by an alliance of Elves and Men from Númenor. Sauron retreated to the east to consolidate his power, but after donning the title King of Men, he aroused the anger and pride of Ar-Pharazôn, King of Númenor, who landed a great host on the shores of Middle Earth, humbled Sauron, and took him back to Númenor as a prisoner.
Cunning and deceptive, Sauron spent the next 50 years corrupting the Númenóreans, playing on their fears of mortality and converting them to the worship of Melkor (Morgoth’s true name), before finally provoking them to attempt a landing of their fleet on the forbidden shores of Aman, The Undying Lands. The Valar called on the help of Ilúvatar (God), who struck down the Númenórean fleet, sank the island beneath the waves and removed the Undying Lands from Arda (the world). Sauron’s spirit survived the destruction of Númenor, but following the cataclysm he was no longer able to assume a fair form, and was instead incarnated as a horrific being with blackened skin that burned to the touch.
Sauron returned to Middle Earth, while the survivors of Númenor established the Kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor. Dwelling again in Mordor, Sauron gathered his forces, and when he was strong enough he attacked Gondor. In response, the Dúnedain of Gondor and the Elves forged The Last Alliance of Men and Elves, and defeated Sauron on the slopes of Mount Orodruin, thus bringing about the close of the Second Age. It was during this battle that Isildur cut the One Ring from Sauron’s finger, claiming it for his own. However, two years later, while wearing the ring in an attempt to escape a host of Orcs that had ambushed his party, Isildur was killed by an Orc arrow when the Ring slipped from his finger as he swam across the River Anduin. The Ring vanished into the waters, and was thought to be swept out to sea. However, it was found in the Anduin some years later by a Hobbit named Sméagol, who eventually became Gollum.
Although considerably weakened by this humiliating defeat, and by the loss of the One Ring, Sauron was not undone, and by the time of the War of the Ring he had grown strong again. Through treachery and cunning he continued his attempts to undermine the Dúnedain kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor, and the very existence of the One Ring gave him enough power to crush the West. But he remained cautious, and controlled his minions from his tower in Mordor. His central purpose: to find the One Ring.
Originally posted by karajorma
You can find lots of info about practically anything Tolkien in The Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm)
Originally posted by Stunaep
...Theodred's Funeral...
They never truly revealed who Gandalf really was.
3. When Sauron is destroyed a black cloud, shaped like Sauron forms itslef and then gets blown away by the wind. It would have made an even more impressive ending.
Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
because he sauron is been
in wolf's form
Necromancer
etc
Return of the King Extended Edition is over four hours long?
According to The Hollywood Reporter Peter Jackson has mentioned that the Extended DVD version of "Return of the King" should run in at over four hours long. Making it at least 40 min. longer than the theatrical version.
wow over 4 hours
Ultimate Trilogy DVD version?
In an article from the Montreal Gazette costume designer Ngila Dickson may have said just a little to much. From the article: ""and I'm already hearing rumors about next year." Pressed, she will say only it's for a "vast, gigantic" future DVD release of the entire trilogy." When this will be released we do not know but a guess is late next year.
wohoo
Below we have list of what is not rumors but Lord of the Rings DVDs officially out now or coming soon:
Originally posted by TrashMan
Guess what - it sez that Orcs were made from humans...
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Uruks are full orcs, more true to the old Orokor bred by Morgoth. They're mostly to be found in Mordor. The common Orc in Middle-earth 'today' is often called a goblin cos it's smaller and weaker than a true Orc. The Uruk-Hai were half-Orc half-Men creatures bred by Saruman.
And I don't need to copy n' paste stuff out of the encyclopedia to tell you that. Please stop trying to lecture us, Gloriano mate.
Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
Of these, five came to the northwestern regions; Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast, Alatar and Pallando.
bred by Morgoth.
Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
one big lose in LOTR movie trilogy is it's has no TOM BOMBADIL
Originally posted by NeoHunter
Who?
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow;
Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow."
The Fellowship of the Ring I 7,
In the House of Tom Bombadil
TOM BOMBADIL
Goldberry
A mysterious and powerful being, called by the Elves Iarwain Ben-adar (Oldest and Fatherless), who dwelt in the valley of the Withywindle, east of the Shire. What kind of being he was has never been certainly discovered (see The Riddle of Tom Bombadil below), but at some stage in the past, he seems to have settled at the edge of the Old Forest, setting himself boundaries, but boundaries within which his power was extraordinary. Tom was a creature of contradictions, one moment defeating ancient forces with hardly an effort, the next capering and singing nonsensical songs.
He appeared as an old man, at least in hobbit eyes, with a wrinkled and ruddy face, bright blue eyes, and a bristling brown beard. He was said to be taller than a typical hobbit, but too short to be a Man, so he seems to have been about five feet in height. His costume consisted of a blue jacket and yellow boots, and he wore an old and battered hat, surmounted by a feather. He seems to have preferred to wear a swan-feather in his hat, but before he met Frodo and company on the banks of the Withywindle, he had acquired the feather of a Kingfisher instead. In his own house, rather than a hat, he wore a crown of autumn leaves, perhaps revealing something of the elemental powers he possessed.
Originally posted by NeoHunter
Sounds like he could defeat the forces of Sauron all by himself.
Originally posted by NeoHunter
Sounds like he could defeat the forces of Sauron all by himself.
Originally posted by TrashMan
Or they coud have made a modern version where Frodo flies in a Jet and bombs Barad-Dur and the Orks defend it on AA guns...
Originally posted by SandwichOh, I'd love to see someone trying to convince Baz Luhrmann to do it.
Actually, I thought of this a few days ago - a modern version of the LOTR trilogy, ala Leonardo Dicaprio's Romeo and Juliet. It would be quite interesting, at the very least. ;)
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Oooh, post-apocalyptic action film directed by Jerry Bruckheimer with Sylvester Stallone as Aragorn with an RPG! The Orcs are mutants and Sauron is some kind of sentient atomic bomb or something!
AND IT'S A MUSICAL!!!!
Originally posted by Sandwich
You guys need help.
Originally posted by Knight Templar
DG: Cliff Scene?
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
God, me and me brother watched extended Fellowship, extended Towers and then went to the cinema to watch ROTK again... it hurt
Originally posted by Stunaep
DG: Dark_4ce explained it sufficently
Originally posted by Sandwich
Your new font color is annoying
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Eh? Where does he explain why Faramir had to be entirely rewritten by Jackson?
Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Watch the EE of TTT. It pritty much explains the Faramir re-write and I agree with them. It kinda strips the power of the ring when suddenly you got a guy who is not effected by its power. The viewing public would have gone "Ok. So why doesent he just toss the ring into Mt. Doom?" So they made him human.
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Losers. The lot of you.
Originally posted by Sandwich
And I did that too. We got an LCD projector, good 4.1 speakers, and a nice blank wall. :D But my knees were killing me in the theater.
Originally posted by Stealth
and wasn't it badass? We did the same thing, except that we hooked up our own speakers to my friend's receiver... and we hooked up two 15" subwoofers too... now that was awesome. you don't appreciate it as much until you feel your chest hurting when the Orcs are marching, and you realize it's the thunderous bass. that's how Peter Jackson meant it to be watched :D
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Hee hee, I like this. If I post again about the distinction between being aware of faults and hating something, how many other retards are going to post about how much I hate it? :D
And you people complain about how I treat you like idiots.
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Christ, you're an imbecile.
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I shall watch the bonus stuf at some point. He might even explain what the **** he thought he was doing with the cliff...
Originally posted by karajormaNo. He was just noting your flaw(s).
The mighty Stryke reduced to petty name calling.
Originally posted by magatsu1
I didn't read the book, but I understand the final battle at Helms Deep didn't actually happen.
Originally posted by an0n
No. He was just noting your flaw(s).
Originally posted by Stunaep
Eh.... yes it did. :wtf:
Originally posted by karajorma
Who rattled your cage? :rolleyes:
Originally posted by an0n
The big orc-dog things?
That's not a cliff. It's a steep hill.
Goddamn flat-land southerners.
Originally posted by Dark_4ce
heheh...
Anyway, the reason they did the cliff scene was to tie Arwen into the second movie somehow IIRC from the commentaries. Just to remind people that she is still around, and that them two are still an item. Though I do agree that doing this by having Aragorn take a dive was a bit of a weak point. They could have done it better. But I guess they also did it to add to the tension for the people who heavent read the books. I dunno. I personally think the scene was a bit useless. Though the Warg scene was good. :D
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
This post will now go off on a slight tangent:
The thing with elves, as I'm discovering from reading the History of Middle-earth is that their minds, or more accurately spirits (called feä) are in more or less total control of their bodies. Us mortals have a comparatively hard time interfacing with our fleshy housings. Basically elves have a lot more control over themselves and their world then us. Which presumably leads to the likes of Legolas flipping out and killing people ALL THE TIME.
Originally posted by Nico
'xcept for the ones in mirkwood and lothlorien, of course.
Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I'm still trying to get thru Silmarillion, so perhaps after I've finished I'll figure it all out. I'm just a psychotic fan of the Book and Films...
Originally posted by Su-tehp
Do you think not completing things reflects poorly on my personality? :D
Originally posted by Su-tehp
I was actually psychotic enough to get the Simarillion in both book and audio book form. That way, I could read along with Martin Shaw's narration and actually have the Simiarillion make some kind of sense as I read it.
Originally posted by Su-tehp
Do you think not completing things reflects poorly on my personality? :D
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Hey, it's got practical use. Some of us have to do business with the Nerd People so they'll program for us and so on, and that's their official language.
Well, that, Klingon, and whatever the hell White Wolf-devised abomination it is that people around here keep trying to start conversations with me in. Any one will probably do.
Originally posted by mikhael
White Wolf makes all manner of horrible things, including Vampire, Werewolf, Mummy, Faerie, Hunter, Mage, and all manner of other cheesy crappy RPGs that seem designed to let angsty goths have yet another outlet for angsty gothing.
Originally posted by Su-tehp
...Remind me to tell you about the hotel bed-wetting AKA territory-marking incident sometime. :D
Originally posted by Sandwich
Ok, you guys are scaring me. Quit it. :nervous:
Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I really liked the Beacons scene in the ROTK... :nervous:
Originally posted by Su-tehp
(EDIT: Cool, 4 "nervous" smilies in a row! As you can see, I'm really easily impressed. :D)
Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I really liked the Beacons scene in the ROTK... :nervous:
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Um... I'll hold the cliff bit against Jackson till I die :nervous:
Originally posted by mikhael
Cliff bit. Aragorn tumbling over a cliff and dreaming about the fate of Arwen if she stays in Middle Earth. It served as a pretty groovy vehicle for including a very important scene from the appendices in the movie. But everyone completely ignores that.
Originally posted by Su-tehp
Which scene in the Appendices are you referring to? (I might want to reference it once I get a copy of The Lord of the Rings book.)
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Not even slightly, is your answer
Morgoth was a Vala. Sauron was a maia. You're comparing the power of a god and an angel, basically.
Also, Sauron put a large chunk of his power in to the Ruling Ring in order to control the Three, Seven and the Nine. Morgoth however put his power directly in to his armies and demons and whatnot, and in to his marring of Arda. Morgoth's 'Ring' was the Earth and all his creatures in it. Thus Morgoth's power, though infinitely greater, was far more spread out and diluted than that of Sauron :nod:
Not to mention the fact that Sauron is still working for Morgoth in the War of the ring. Though banished from the world, Morgoth's will still influences his servants :nod:
he had armies of Barlogs and Dragons (thousands!)...
Originally posted by TrashMan
Bacicly, Eru = God, Valar = Archangels, Maiar = Half-Angles...or something
What I don't like in the movie is the fact that Gandalf seems weaker. He was more powerfull in the book.
Originally posted by 01010
... men of the East and the Haradrim (who were formerly Numenoreans)
and more so than Morgoth seemed to
Also, I couldn't get to grips with how Beleriand was part of Middle Earth until the third time I read through the Silmarillion and realised that the mountains on the far right of the map are actually the same mountains that are at the very left of the map in LOTR.
Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
Actually there were 7 Balrogs servants of Morgoth and they are The Balrogs originated as Maiar, beings of the same kind as Sauron himself
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Seven, eh? Where'd you get that number from? As for the Balrogs being Maiar, it's more accurate to call them beings of the same order but of lesser might than Sauron. As Maiar went, Sauron was pretty hard :nod:
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Well yes, certainly Gandalf was just about the only guy on our side who could have taken the Balrog on.
Back in the First Age, of course, Balrogs were being slain left and right. We must presume that either Elves were harder back then (they were, but not that much), Balrogs were weaker (possibly though why should they have gotton stronger?) or the one in Moria was particularly hard example :)
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
As for the Balrogs being Maiar, it's more accurate to call them beings of the same order but of lesser might than Sauron. As Maiar went, Sauron was pretty hard :nod:
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Um... no? The Dunedain, the Men of Gondor and the Rangers of the northern line were the last remenants of Numenor. The Easterlings and Haradrim have always been in the east and south (where as the Edain of old, the ancestors of the Dunedain, came north and west)
Dunno where you heard that. Mortgoth had huge armies of Easterlings. And half the Men fighting for Fingon turned on the Elves (we suck)
Originally posted by 01010[/b]
I explicitly remember reading that some of the men fighting for Sauron were Dark Numenoreans who had settled at Umbar and further down the coast and weren't caught in the sinking of Numenor
As far as I can recall though, Morgoth didn't really use men in the same way Sauron did because he didn't really pay heed to them.
Originally posted by TrashMan
5. Yes, there were some decendants of Numenor (Dark Numenorans) who were evil, alltough their blood was far from pure..
Originally posted by karajorma
The mouth of Sauron is one. I'm suprised no one remembered him.