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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: SS_Spawn on December 17, 2003, 01:41:47 pm

Title: That Freelancer Punk is back
Post by: SS_Spawn on December 17, 2003, 01:41:47 pm: Just got done with the geometry portion of the Deimos Redux. Not a lot different from the original except it has about 8 times the polies. Gonna zone it for 512x512 tiling textures, making variants of the original textures. Intended for the FL mod The Next Generation
(http://www.starfyrestudios.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/reduxDeimos.jpg)
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Post by: Lynx on December 17, 2003, 01:44:50 pm: Not a lot different??!? And what are those weird tubes on the bottom supposed to be?
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Post by: magatsu1 on December 17, 2003, 01:52:29 pm: I think the original is a classic.

Not keen on the Redux.:)
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Post by: diamondgeezer on December 17, 2003, 02:11:41 pm: Thou shalt not mess with the venerable Deimos
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Post by: KARMA on December 17, 2003, 04:55:41 pm: I don't like the tubes too, and the rear could use some work
it isn't that bad anyway, and I suppose that depending by the result she could be used as a deimos variant even in fs2
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Post by: Bobboau on December 17, 2003, 10:17:12 pm: eh, I don't like it
[sarcasm]I think your just trying to steal our ships! seese them![/sarcasm]
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Post by: IceFire on December 17, 2003, 10:27:37 pm: If its supposed to be a remake it should be a remake with virtually the same proportions and with vastly improved surface details (you can always take some liberty when scaling up). But I see a sister vessel and not a Deimos in what you did there.

And what ARE those tubes on the bottom? :D
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Post by: TrashMan on December 18, 2003, 02:49:26 am: Great work Spawn! Alltough, I did like the original better...
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Post by: Unknown Target on December 18, 2003, 07:47:41 am: Bleh...looks like you ripped up the Deimos and tried to fit it into the FL universe. I especially don't like the new bridge at the front, or the long refueling spire thingy.

Bleh, I'm sorry, but, bleh.
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Post by: Triple Ace on December 18, 2003, 07:52:17 am: THIEF!!!
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Post by: aldo_14 on December 18, 2003, 08:09:27 am: I have to say that it doesn't look any higher poly than the original..... except for those bizarre tube protrusion things.
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Post by: SS_Spawn on December 18, 2003, 09:26:06 am: This is the latest iteration. ANd for the record, im not posting this here for your approval, just for your notification so you dont have to find out third hand from lancersreactor. (http://www.planetirg.net/spawn/deim2.jpg)
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Post by: Unknown Target on December 18, 2003, 09:35:42 am: Ok, I'm gonna be the rudest here and say:

IT'S FRICKIN UGLY!

Looks like you crossed an armadillo with a jellyfish, then added the deimos in as an afterthought.
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Post by: karajorma on December 18, 2003, 09:37:37 am: And the original Deimos was a beauty contestant I suppose? :D
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Post by: Unknown Target on December 18, 2003, 09:44:33 am: I liked it. Some bump mapping and detail work would do wonders for it (the original, I mean). Right now it looks like the top is the back part of an armadillo, the bottom things are jellyfish tentacles, and the deimos, is, well, shoved in between.
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Post by: Ashrak on December 18, 2003, 09:45:38 am: Quote
Originally posted by Unknown Target
Ok, I'm gonna be the rudest here and say:

IT'S FRICKIN UGLY!

Looks like you crossed an armadillo with a jellyfish, then added the deimos in as an afterthought.

i agree
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Post by: KARMA on December 18, 2003, 09:48:27 am: I liked the first shot more. a lot more
btw...
nobody here has the copyright over the deimos, so it's just up to you
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Post by: Shrike on December 18, 2003, 04:10:06 pm: What did you do to the poor deimos? You've...... Shivanized it.
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Post by: Woolie Wool on December 18, 2003, 04:13:22 pm: :ick

That's a disgrace to the Deimos.
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Post by: vyper on December 18, 2003, 04:16:07 pm: I'm seeing echos of the EA here, but I'm not.... nah I'm sorry man I wish I could like it but I can't.
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Post by: Flipside on December 18, 2003, 07:37:15 pm: Bring forth the cannon of canon!

Target wierd Deimos with tubely bits!

Fiar!!

Actually, as a model, I quite like it, It wouldn't work in FS2 certainly, it is too alien, but none the less, it's a pretty good shape for Freelancer.
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Post by: mikhael on December 18, 2003, 08:19:10 pm: I rather like this rework. Especially the Armadillo bits. :D
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Post by: Taristin on December 18, 2003, 08:25:52 pm: Yeah, they are kinda cool. I can see them as Vasudanized bits
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Post by: SS_Spawn on December 18, 2003, 08:32:45 pm: that is the over all aim for this model. To try and give some of the epople to whom FL is thier first space sim a little knowledge fo ther eal games that got it started.
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Post by: Shrike on December 18, 2003, 08:58:47 pm: But why make weird changes like that? Honestly, you've changed the character of the Deimos. Before it the Brick, the non-nonsense solid frontline Terran warship. Now it's all weird.

It's like someone did a shadomega except with Shivans and a Deimos.
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Post by: mikhael on December 18, 2003, 09:11:30 pm: Because the Deimos design sucked from the first? Call me crazy, but its one of the ship designs I've always hated (though not as much as I hated the Orion).
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Post by: Taristin on December 18, 2003, 09:20:14 pm: Ditto. I hated Orions and Hecates, Deimoses and Mentu's...

Meh. Most of the Fleet sux0red. Give me the Anuket with a beam in it's nose anyday... :D
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Post by: Knight Templar on December 18, 2003, 09:38:25 pm: Bah.. Traitors.. long live the Orion (and) Deimos! :thepimp:
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Post by: Drew on December 18, 2003, 09:51:35 pm: No. Just, No. If you call that an upgrade of the Deimos your insane.

I do like the little thing pokin out of the front tho
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Post by: Falcon on December 18, 2003, 10:02:34 pm: Thou hast defiled the sacred Deimos thou shalt pay for thy sins. :devil: [pulls out the gillotine]

What are the spikes that are on the bottom?
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Post by: SS_Spawn on December 18, 2003, 10:55:06 pm: why thank you. the players who've seemed it so far like it and i'm happy with it, and thats all that matters really.
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Post by: Deepblue on December 18, 2003, 11:00:53 pm: Ehm. Its ugly but I appreciate the work youve put into it.
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Post by: RangerKarl on December 18, 2003, 11:01:42 pm: If it's going into the FL universe, I guess it fits, with the ,er, unique design additions and all that are prevalent in said universe. Not too bad a ship I suppose, though I daresay it would look very odd in Freespace.
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Post by: TrashMan on December 19, 2003, 04:15:40 am: Hey SS_Spawn, any word on the models I showed you? Want anything for FL?
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Post by: SS_Spawn on December 19, 2003, 10:30:28 am: T-man, im talking it a over witha few of the team mebers, heh gonn a do it as a democracy thing. Tyrannies run so much smoother.
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Post by: Drew on December 19, 2003, 11:06:57 am: You had a good idea, you just overdid it (ahem).
Take the original, add some polys, add some *nice*(and classy) greebles, and keep the defining atrributes of the ships (hard profile, sharp edges). Oh, and keep that "antenna" thing pokin out of the front :D
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Post by: Black Wolf on December 19, 2003, 11:21:41 am: If you're going to do this kind of thing to all the FS ships, why bother actually using FS ships at all? This ship is way too far from the deimos to be a conversion, but too close to be a new design, ie. it falls squarely into the category of rip off, whether that was your intention or not. Surely you could put your modelling to work on entirely new ships, ones that would fit perfectly into Freelancer, without having to deface the FS ships like that?
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Post by: mikhael on December 19, 2003, 09:26:28 pm: That's rather unfair. Consider my Mjolnir: it shares only the most basic hull geometry with the Volition Mjolnir. Far less, in fact, than this Deimos. I think the guy did a pretty decent job.

God help everyone when I show that Orion I was working on. :D
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Post by: SS_Spawn on December 19, 2003, 09:56:08 pm: I use the FS ships because i like the basic designs, i just made a newer version that will fit better in freelancer. And why make little additions or changes when you can vastly improve or redisign a ship, for better or worse. I jsut simply reimagined a new version of teh Deimos. At least i did it from scratch, not like one guy has dont,which is simply convert the POF's to cmp, add crappy hardpoints(most of hwich float above the ships) and act like i deserve gratitude.
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Post by: LtNarol on December 20, 2003, 12:39:58 pm: I'm sorry, mik, but I have to disagree with you on that one. Your Mjolnir is reasonably close to the original if you consider the size of the RBC itself. If the original were the size of a cruiser, the rework would be too far off to call an upgrade, but given the size of the model, whats added can be called subtle details. Whats more, the additional weapons mounts are mentioned in briefings and techrooms.

This Deimos rework is blatantly adding non-present weaponry, shielding, and reworking the engines in a very unsubtle manner. Thus, the rework of the Deimos is in far from an upgrade and I have to agree that it falls into the ripoff category.
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Post by: mikhael on December 20, 2003, 08:37:12 pm: Meh. I'll still standby the Freelancer guy (its not his fault he likes that garbage). I think he's done a worthy job.
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Post by: Knight Templar on December 21, 2003, 01:13:37 am: Quote
Originally posted by LtNarol
I'm sorry, mik, but I have to disagree with you on that one. Your Mjolnir is reasonably close to the original if you consider the size of the RBC itself. If the original were the size of a cruiser, the rework would be too far off to call an upgrade, but given the size of the model, whats added can be called subtle details. Whats more, the additional weapons mounts are mentioned in briefings and techrooms.

This Deimos rework is blatantly adding non-present weaponry, shielding, and reworking the engines in a very unsubtle manner. Thus, the rework of the Deimos is in far from an upgrade and I have to agree that it falls into the ripoff category.

So? I don't see how this is a big deal or particularly offensive or anything...

If his work was total ****, then maybe.
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Post by: Baron MacDoblin on December 21, 2003, 03:04:14 am: I'm going to reserve judgement until I see it textured.
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Post by: Reppyboyo on December 21, 2003, 04:26:53 am: It will be good for the Freelancer universe yea, if your basing these models off Freespace.
But was a Freespace ship it sucks.

That is all. :)