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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gloriano on December 19, 2003, 12:19:28 pm
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as thread tittle say's i'am getting power mac or powerbook
but i can't decide wich one and if some body know's about mac's
more that i do
and this mac is for my secondary computer and mainly work when i'am working in home
17 inch 1.33GHz this one is powerbook i think
with SuperDrive
$2,994.00
Specifications
17-inch TFT Display
1440x900 resolution
1.33GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA/100
ATI Mobility Radeon
9600 (64MB DDR)
56K Modem
Backlit keyboard
Gigabit Ethernet
2 USB(2.0)
1 FireWire(400)
1 FireWire(800)
Built-In BlueTooth
AirPort Extreme Built-In
DVI and S-Video out
Mac OS X
and here is Power mac i think
Dual 2GHz G5
with SuperDrive
$2,994.00
Specifications
Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
1GHz frontside bus
512K L2 cache/processor
512MB DDR400 128-bit SDRAM
Expandable to 8GB SDRAM
160GB Serial ATA
SuperDrive
Three PCI-X Slots
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
64MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem
but i think i get cheaper
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NEITHER
Get a ibm-compatable dude, seriously
[Only reason why I am still against mac is because of the whole Motorola processor thing]
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[color=cc9900]But surely you get discounts from Sony for buying their laptops? Or don't they treat one of their highly valued employees nicely?[/color]
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I wish I had that kind of money to throw into my computer.....
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I know a fair amount about Macs as I sell them but I'm not a fan and I can go into reasons why if you want me to. Its more a matter of preference than anything else but I'm still not a fan.
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I don't really care what he gets, as he's gonna end up getting another one in a few months anyway....:rolleyes:
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Ignore Kazan. He's being bigotted again. Go for the G5 if you can afford it. They're sweet machines and there's nothing productive that they cannot do.
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mikhael: how is it bigotted to dislike hardware because it's not compatable with most of the rest of hte hardware out there -- i dislike motorola processors because of their assbackwards edianness
also their mhz-to-mips ratio isn't the best
what I LIKE about Mac: Their Operating system is a formt of UNIX w00t, they are fairly user-friendly, they have fairly decent plat-panels, they get nice video cards like the radeon, and have fast ram
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Intels are the screwy ass-backwards endianness. Just take a look at any NON-intel device. They all match with motorolas. Heck, anything that speaks TCP/IP is the same.
I wouldn't worry much about mips-vs-mhz ratios. I've pretty much given up on paying attention to it. My 1.3gHz Thinkpad was not qualitatively different than my 2.6gHz AMD desktop. All I care about these days is portability, hard drive, portability, display, portability, power supply, portability and um... portability.
If you're looking at a laptop purchase, there's of real importance that you can do on an Intel box that you can't just as well on a Mac box.
God I never thought I'd see the day I argued for a Mac.
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Flat panels are designed by Samsung so you can get Samsung LCD's with essentially the same parts for your PC (different styling). As for mhz to MIPS...not sure on numbers but its definately in the realm of having a 1.0 Ghz G4 being similar to something in the 2.2-2.4 Ghz range for Intel. I'm not going into technological debates...Apple puts together a relatively solid product - I don't like their OS and the way it works, I find its user friendlyness counter intuitive, the hardware is expensive if something goes wrong (and it does seem to just as much as anywhere else), OS bugs are not uncommon and crashing is not uncomon either (the myths of stability certainly are nowhere to be seen in OS 9 or OS X 10-10.3). Generally the problems are applications and less drivers...but it seems to be about equal with Windows XP.
It is nice and shiny...well designed in terms of looks and ergonomics. To top it off, the one button mouse is so 1980's. Please get a dual button :D
Most of the stuff is a preference issue but I guess I thought I should weigh in on it. Just don't assume automatic superiority over PC's...rather a fairly well put together package at the par level.
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i think i get (G5) but i must think more this because it's just secondary computer and will be mainly work computer and some other stuff
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If you want a secondary computer and something that is a little bit cheaper a G4 tower may do the trick just as well. Not the fancyness of the G5 but it doesn't carry the price tag either.
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the fact that 80x86 chips have their binary order in the same order that we write it on paper sure makes alot more sense than bassackwards
also there are a lot more chips out their running big-endian [aka 80x86 order] instead of little-endian
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Originally posted by Kazan
the fact that 80x86 chips have their binary order in the same order that we write it on paper sure makes alot more sense than bassackwards
also there are a lot more chips out their running big-endian [aka 80x86 order] instead of little-endian
Pc chips, maybe. Motorola is the largest manufacturer in the world, IIRC.
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As I recall when I was doing x86 asm, intel's swap their byte order, so everything is backwards. Something I would write as "a3 14" was "15 a3" in memory. That doesn't look like its the same order I wrote it.
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Motorola is out of the game, the G5 is an IBM/Apple production (although based on the Motorola/IBM/Apple PowerPC chip) being unix and user-centric this system sets you at the head of it (instead of fighting windows). If you're a programmer you can even work on porting FreeSpaceOpen to the Mac (hey that would be nice :-) I even dare to say that in a production environment you get more done on a mac (tight integration, solid solutions) (i gave up on windows 7 years ago). Now you can argue if you need a laptop or a desktop. Do you switch rooms a lot? on the road or at friends a lot?
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Laptop, simply 'cause couch browsing is the best way to browse HLP. :P
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Personal preference: don't get a Mac. I really don't have any major problems with them (although they can be real pains to administrate) but they are more expensive than a PC for about the same level of functionality. I also really dislike the mac human interface devices (mice, keyboards, etc) but that's just a personal preference and they can be replaced.
Desktop or Laptop: Unless you have a specific reason to get a laptop, don't. If you're debating which one you should get then you already have an answer, get the desktop just so everything is spaced out enough to comfortably use. Not to mention that the average new desktop is a technological generation ahead of the average new laptop available at the same time.
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NEVER buy a new laptop. They're **** except for light-load functions such as word processing and playing music, and one made three years ago will do both just fine and cost ****loads less. They're also a pain in the ass to maintain or modify, so it's best to have one where if it gets ****ed you can just throw it away and get another.
Macs? I suppose I've probably related my mac horror story before. They're not overall as useful as regular PCs- supposedly not terrible, either, but I can't confirm that from any experience I've ever had- but they've got some nice features PCs typically don't. Though nowadays as Apple is kinda trying to work its way into the PC market that's changing- most of the nice things about macs (monitors, some of the apple-specific software, etc.) are becoming available on PC.
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Mik: Kaz is right. Little-endianness isn't just backwards, it's downright evil. Think about it- the least coming before the first- is this not a clear reference to Satan's ultimate agenda? Worse yet, what if someone transmits the text of the Bible on a Mac- on the most basic level, the computer is reading the Bible backwards- the most famous sign of demonic possession there is!
See? Solid proof that Steve Jobs is the Antichrist.
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Originally posted by StratComm
Personal preference: don't get a Mac. I really don't have any major problems with them (although they can be real pains to administrate) but they are more expensive than a PC for about the same level of functionality. I also really dislike the mac human interface devices (mice, keyboards, etc) but that's just a personal preference and they can be replaced
http://homepage.mac.com/peterlaurens/applePrices/
Ignore the info about the G5 desktops, the comparison isn't really worthwhile. Also, the "OS" bit is reversed, this lists the apple comps as having WinXP and dells having OSX 10.3. The information about laptops is pretty good though.
So, how exactly are they hard to administrate? I tried out Darwin (Mac OS core) and I didn't have any problem setting it up, although I dropped it in favor of Linux.
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Not on a personal level, but on an institutional one. Windows is designed with a lot of network-integrated stuff built in, especially 2000 and XP. Macs just don't have the same level of compatability with multi-user networks that PC's or even pure linux boxes have.
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Originally posted by Kazan
NEITHER
Get a ibm-compatable dude, seriously
[Only reason why I am still against mac is because of the whole Motorola processor thing]
It's IBM now, but it's still not x86.
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Have never touched a Mac so I can't comment, except to say that from a budget point of view(the way I approach most everything), the amount of Windows-based laptop you can get for $2700 is breathtaking these days. Go Alienware! Not to mention that for the same amount as the G5 you can get a really well equiped Athlon64 desktop.
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$2700
Perhaps I'd better repeat that figure.
$2700
That is disgusting. My whole setup, which has basically the newest of everything, cost a little more than half of that. Why the **** would you spend that much money on something that doesn't perform as well as a decent but unexceptional desktop?
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That, besides the decision to remain totally non-compatable with 95% of the rest of the world, is the primary gripe I've got with Apple.
No one can argue that they are pretty, Steve has got the best designers in the world working for him.
No one can argue that they are superior to PCs in certain arenas. But an extra second or two to do something in the real world is negligible.
But, and Mac Fanatics can flame me all they want, that is all your paying for. The fancy case and the Apple name. I just don't see it. I've got better things to do with my money.
$2700? I can buy a good used car around here for that much.
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the concept of a laptop has always confused me, or more the craze over them, I see people who by laptops and only use them when sitting at a desk,
it's all just small, substandard, less reliable, less customisable, less fixable, and less upgradeable, and yet vastly more expencive, you can get twice the computer for the same price with just the restriction that you can't use it when the power goes out.
and as for macs,
hmmm, no.
go with alienware, it's what I've got,
it is vast, I'm thinking I should have gotten the older model case though.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
go with alienware, it's what I've got,
it is vast, I'm thinking I should have gotten the older model case though. [/B]
Actualy i thinkin Alienware
(http://www.alienware.com/Images/system_page_images/a51m_new_top_green.jpg)
Alienware Magnesium Alloy Chassis
Pentium® 4 @ 3.2GHz 800FSB
User-Upgradeable Graphics
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 128MB DDR
16.1" inch UltraXGA 1600x1200 LCD
60GB 7200rpm HDD with 8MB Cache
Infrared Remote control
4X DVD+RW Optical Disk Drive
802.11 A+B+G Wireless Mini-PCI card
or Desktop machine but i thing laptop because my old is broken and i have already desktop machine(p4 3.2
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That's what I'd get if I had the money to drop on a notebook.