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Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Stunaep on December 20, 2003, 06:34:33 am
Now that the LOTR Trilogy is out and away, Peter Jackson has mentioned, that if they can clear up the legal difficulties concerning Tolkien's Hobbit, then he would like to make a movie based on that.

Now, I really got goosebumps reading that. I really, really don't want to see that movie made. Because of the following reasons:

1) Bad experience with the prequels of another not-nearly-as-great-as-LOTR-but-still-very-good-epics. I never, ever want to hear people say "Yeah, the LOTR movies were great, but the Hobbit really screwed everything up."

2) The source material is a god-damn childrens book. There is no way, it could match the level of emotional greatness of the Trilogy. Yes it does have big battles, but I don't really care about them. It's the emotional depth that makes a movie, not the amoung of processing power used in its making. Take Matrix Revolutions.

Discuss
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: diamondgeezer on December 20, 2003, 08:33:15 am
I voted for the Silmarillion
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Gloriano on December 20, 2003, 08:59:43 am
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I voted for the Silmarillion

:nod:
Title: Re: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: 01010 on December 20, 2003, 09:09:06 am
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Now that the LOTR Trilogy is out and away, Peter Jackson has mentioned, that if they can clear up the legal difficulties concerning Tolkien's Hobbit, then he would like to make a movie based on that.

Now, I really got goosebumps reading that. I really, really don't want to see that movie made. Because of the following reasons:

1) Bad experience with the prequels of another not-nearly-as-great-as-LOTR-but-still-very-good-epics. I never, ever want to hear people say "Yeah, the LOTR movies were great, but the Hobbit really screwed everything up."

2) The source material is a god-damn childrens book. There is no way, it could match the level of emotional greatness of the Trilogy. Yes it does have big battles, but I don't really care about them. It's the emotional depth that makes a movie, not the amoung of processing power used in its making. Take Matrix Revolutions.

Discuss


I don't think that you could make a film of The Hobbit and have it as a grand epic like LOTR because it's not, even in book form, a grand epic. It's a childrens book with a good story and I personally think that it would make an excellent action/adventure movie in the vein of "Pirates of the Caribbean" and I think it could be quite a fun film in the same way that the book is good fun.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Fineus on December 20, 2003, 09:23:28 am
I vote "pie". Basically, it depends how they portray The Hobbit. It would be a good film but I can't help but feel it might detract from LOTR itself. The Hobbit is a lot easier to get into - it's nowhere near as epic and while the story is certainly a good one - it might well feel like a spin off or cash in alongside the LOTR Trilogy.

I'm really in two minds - on one hand I'd like to see it done. On the other I might have a hard time keeping in mind that it's "separate" from the LOTR films.
Title: Re: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Levyathan on December 20, 2003, 10:07:59 am
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Take Matrix Revolutions.

:blah:
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: diamondgeezer on December 20, 2003, 10:36:36 am
Maybe the Hobbit could be released as an uber TV thingy in several parts, and be shown one Christmas or summat?
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Stunaep on December 20, 2003, 02:19:14 pm
Like the Star Wars christmas special? :blah:
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: vyper on December 20, 2003, 02:34:57 pm
Happy Christmas R2D2.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: diamondgeezer on December 20, 2003, 02:35:57 pm
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Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Sandwich on December 20, 2003, 04:54:43 pm
Hobbit = yes!

Why? Because through his modifications to the lore of the LOTR books, Peter Jackson has shown that he is capable of making the source material work well on the big screen. I trust him to be wise enough to know not to make the Hobbit into something it's not, but to let it develop into something ala Pirates, as Mr. Binary said.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Setekh on December 22, 2003, 04:52:11 am
Once I read the Hobbit, I'll make up my mind. For now, pie. :)
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 22, 2003, 05:04:33 am
The movie tagline could be "Get back into the hobbit"

I'll get my coat
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Nuclear1 on December 22, 2003, 11:26:16 am
Pie. Want pie now. PIE! (http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/pie.htm)

And frankly, I don't care whether the Hobbit gets done or not.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Martinus on December 22, 2003, 01:58:47 pm
[color=66ff00]I think trying to make a movie of the silmarillion is a pretty bad idea. You could make 20 movies with the contents of that book.

The hobbit would make a great movie though. :nod:
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Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: J3Vr6 on December 22, 2003, 02:10:34 pm
Hobbit?  Loved it as a kid.  Always liked watching that cartoon movie when I was in grade school.  Could it be made into a more adult work?  I guess, but then it wouldn't be the hobbit in my eyes.  I've grown up seeing it as a children's novel that I can't really see it get the big surge like the trilogy.

I probably wouldn't see it.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: 01010 on December 22, 2003, 02:17:25 pm
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]I think trying to make a movie of the silmarillion is a pretty bad idea. You could make 20 movies with the contents of that book.

The hobbit would make a great movie though. :nod:
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There isn't enough dialogue in the Silmarillion in my opinion for it to be any number of films, it'd have to be heavy narrative all the way through and I don't think it'd work. I wouldn't, personally, like to see them made either, that book is incredible and beautiful in it's scope and ambition and it wouldn't translate to any screen at all well.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: diamondgeezer on December 22, 2003, 02:30:56 pm
They make movies about the Bible don't they?

Besides which, LOTR, Pratchett's Dsicworld and Gormenghast were all supposed to be un film-able.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: 01010 on December 22, 2003, 03:00:31 pm
I'm not saying they couldn't do it, just that I don't think it would translate too well to screen is all. If they did it and did it well then that would be great.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Raven2001 on December 22, 2003, 03:15:32 pm
Me wants!!! Both Hobbit, and Silmarillion... specialy the last :)

I think that if well done, PJ could make the Silmarillion in a small amount of movies... For instance, he would make about 2 or 3 about the war between the Elves and Morgoth of course, in a epic episode like LOTR (PJ could base himself in other books, like The Fall of Morgoth or whatever the book is named), about the dialogues, he would have to make them up, of course...
He could also make movies about the smaller episodes of the Silmarillion: Beren and Luthien, Tuor and others... if he was smart, he could make a living of Tolkien movies :D
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: J3Vr6 on December 22, 2003, 03:48:20 pm
They'd be movies "inspried" by the works of Tolkein, not really a direct translation.

Never read the Sillmi-whatever it's spelled.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Grey Wolf on December 22, 2003, 03:53:58 pm
I didn't really like the Silmarrillion that much. It was too much like a textbook as opposed to a novel....
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: Carl on December 22, 2003, 03:57:07 pm
just go rent the cartoon movie from blockbuster.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: übermetroid on December 22, 2003, 06:28:44 pm
I would really like to see the Hobbit in the movies.  I think it could be pretty good.

But you would have to keep all the same actors from LOTR.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: phreak on December 22, 2003, 06:42:39 pm
i say pie.  i wouldn't watch it anyways
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: adwight on December 22, 2003, 09:32:23 pm
Silmarillion all the way.  IMO the Hobbit wouldn't work too great on a big screen.  Anyone know if the game is any good?
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: icespeed on December 23, 2003, 12:20:24 am
i'd have thought lotr wouldn't really work onscreen, but it seems to have.

i don't really think hobbit and silmarillion should go onscreen... but who knows?

he'd have to make up an awful lot of stuff, like dialogue and so forth, for the silmarillion if he did it, though. but then again he fiddled quite a lot with lotr, so .
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: SKYNET-011 on December 26, 2003, 01:33:38 pm
I don't see anything wrong with a Hobbit movie. I liked the book, and the Lord of the Rings was made into into a great movie.

So long as they don't botch it.

Heh, the poll is multiple choice. :p
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: diamondgeezer on December 26, 2003, 02:01:21 pm
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Originally posted by adwight
Anyone know if the game is any good?

Reviews of the GameCube version are favourable enough. Flawed but fun.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: 01010 on December 26, 2003, 02:13:43 pm
Try the PC demo. Personally I thought it was pretty wank.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: diamondgeezer on December 26, 2003, 02:26:20 pm
Well you need to approach it in the same manner as the book I guess. It's not aimed at the same market as the LOTR games.
Title: Hobbit or no Hobbit?
Post by: 01010 on December 26, 2003, 02:31:21 pm
I know, I just didn't like it, the controls were poor and it didn't play well for me. Seems like a run of the mill platformer to me and I've had my fill of those (like 5-6 years ago).

The EA LOTR games however I'm very interested in purchasing but there's not enough game to warrant a £50 purchase so I shall wait until everyone is done with their copy and pick it up pre-owned.