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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kamikaze on January 06, 2004, 01:40:27 am
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http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTcz
Yet another PC-based console is due to hit the markets, this one has a 1.4Ghz processor, VIA chipset and an SiS graphics card (they suck). How many do we need anyway? With the Phantom, this APE thing and the Xbox that's 3 PC-based consoles so far. Mix this in with the fact that Nintendo is releasing another console in 2k4, with Sony developing their next Playstation as well as releasing PSX (DVDR/ethernet/HD equipped PS2) and MS is planning for an Xbox2. It seems 2k4 may spawn a horrible new era of console wars. :ick
Think the competition will be of any use (competition == innovation?)? Or will the newcomers just die off like many before them leaving more wrecks in console history?
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But we just got teh new consoles!!11
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my brain is goin to fry under the pressure:shaking: :Boom:
edit: actually let them dook it out.
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There's a simple solution to this conundrum: only ever buy consoles with Zelda games on them. Well, except the Philips CDi, that one was just... :ick
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What's the big deal?
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Just great soon there is 50 diffrent consoles
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The problem with this sort of competition is that it's kind of exclusive. The consoles will compete and get better, sure, but then there are hundreds of games that you can't play if you're on one platform, rather than on PC where everyone's competition means better games that everyone can play.
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Originally posted by Setekh
The problem with this sort of competition is that it's kind of exclusive. The consoles will compete and get better, sure, but then there are hundreds of games that you can't play if you're on one platform, rather than on PC where everyone's competition means better games that everyone can play.
Ah, but PCs could be considered a platform of their own. There seems to be less and less PC support for gaming nowadays. At the very least, you can't deny there are *plenty* of console games that will never see life on a PC.
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W"ell yeah, to be honest, I don't quite see a brightful future for PC gaming...
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You also have to take into account that not all games are guarenteed to work on all PCs. Where as any game put out on a console will work on that console, regardless.
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Of course you have to consider that a console will have to be replaced by another console when no more games are able to be played in the previous console, so that argument is somehow flawed (although the consoles cost much less than a pc, pc's at least most of them, have compatibility with the previous titles released for them!).
Sony is more worried about releasing this baby (http://www.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp?image=/solefood/january04/sf16/01.jpg) over here (http://www.gamespy.com/solefood/january04/sf16/) than releasing any other playstation!!
If anyone of you haven't noticed, the consoles are experiencing the same thing pc's went through some years ago, the offer level is starting to be much higher than the consumers... "need"? :confused:
Anyway... consoles are doomed to become pc's, they are becoming multitask machines designed not only for gaming in general, but also for surfing the web, watching dvd's, etc... it's only a matter of time until they put the MS Office on the box!!! :D :D
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
Of course you have to consider that a console will have to be replaced by another console when no more games are able to be played in the previous console, so that argument is somehow flawed (although the consoles cost much less than a pc, pc's at least most of them, have compatibility with the previous titles released for them!).
That was my argument before, but considerning the evolution of games, it's more costy to change your videocard than to buy a console. And once you're done, you're ****ed ( bybye your old glide games ), while the old console, well it still works.
Sony is more worried about releasing this baby (http://www.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp?image=/solefood/january04/sf16/01.jpg) over here (http://www.gamespy.com/solefood/january04/sf16/) than releasing any other playstation!!
Of course, they're more worried, the PS3 will sell well, this strange thing, go wonder.
If anyone of you haven't noticed, the consoles are experiencing the same thing pc's went through some years ago, the offer level is starting to be much higher than the consumers... "need"? :confused:
No negative thoughs behind this question but: how old are you?
In the early 90', you had, at the same time, 3 different 3DO, the CDI, the amiga CD32, the megadrive ( sega console, european name ) with the 32X and the megaCD, the jaguar, the supernes, the neogeo ( was still around ) and the PSX and saturn where about to show up. I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple, and I left the handweld ones aside ( I can count at least 4 of them ).
I'm still astonished by Sega stopping making consoles, and that there's only 3 real ones around, and you come and say there's too many of them?
Ah well, different times, I guess :doubt:
Anyway... consoles are doomed to become pc's, they are becoming multitask machines designed not only for gaming in general, but also for surfing the web, watching dvd's, etc... it's only a matter of time until they put the MS Office on the box!!! :D :D [/B][/quote]
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I said the offer level is starting to be much higher than the consumers need, I didn't say there are many consoles in the market when comparing to the past.
If you look at the early 90's, computers were not so great ffor having games (although some big hits existed on the pc), so people when faced with the choice of buying something for entertainment purposes were much more likely to buy a console than a computer. Although the same still happens today, much more computers are being bought for those purposes than in the ol' days.
In the 1st argument I had the idea of selling the console or computer after the "total upgrade" than rather keeping them. But still, the consoles are doomed to become pc's.
P.S.
I'm 16, yes I know I'm very young so please don't take any of my posts very seriously...
I still have a Mega Drive!! (although the controls are totally screwed) In the US there was a similar console named Genesis, although extremely similar they were not very compatible with one another when it came to putting the game in the slot. I've discovered this after buying 3 games in the US just to figure out later that only one of the games worked on my MD.
The amiga was still sold when the Mega Drive came out?
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
But still, the consoles are doomed to become pc's.
Honestly, I don't think so. The Xbox 2 will severly lose its ties with the PC structure, for exemple. A console remains a game machine. A PC doesn't. I agree there's more PC today ( of course! ), but I doubt your average father or grandma will understand why the latest game they bought for their kids won't work ( tell them about drivers and stuff, and look at their face ). I've witnessed it, it often ends that way: ah well, i'll bring it back to the store and get you a gameboy instead :p ( freaky, heh? )
I'm 16, yes I know I'm very young so please don't take any of my posts very seriously...
I still have a Mega Drive!! (although the controls are totally screwed) In the US there was a similar console named Genesis, although extremely similar they were not very compatible with one another when it came to putting the game in the slot. I've discovered this after buying 3 games in the US just to figure out later that only one of the games worked on my MD.
The amiga was still sold when the Mega Drive came out?
yeah, I know about the genesis, I just wasn't sure about the name. But I tought it was just a change name? Is it the same deal for the supernes and the superfamicom?
As for the Amiga, yeah, was at the very end, before Commodore went down. It's the latest serious project they made.
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I do not know anything about the Nintendo consoles, except for the GameBoy of course, and the GameCube... I've always been more of a Sega fan.
Sega's decision to abandon the "hardware market" came to no surprise to me... they were already losing ground to Nintendo and Sony (at least that was the way it seemed in my country) so I believe they did the smart thing and began to focus on actual games than platforms.
As for the current conflict between pc's and consoles, Nintendo is the only one in the 3 trying to make a "real" console. Look at the PS2, you can already see DVD's in it. The Sega's DreamCast (spelling?) was able to surf the web. And the X-Box is... well... you know!!
And with the trend to make consoles ever more powerful, I fear that they are going to become increasingly more expensive... and when the computer's price begins to fall...
But for now... a console is a console, a pc is a pc... let's hope they continue that way... :)
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The thingabout PCs versus consoles is that console games can push the very limits of the system as much as they want, because everyone's system is pretty much the same.
PC games, they have to hang back for the lesser crowd, so the gaps between each generation of games is much bigger than for consoles.
Also, PCs are more expensive, although you're paying for added functionality with that extra money.
All in all, the two have plusses and minusses. Get both and decide which you like better, then play them both :D
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I have a *****in' PC and two of the latest consoles. Go me.
Also, the Phantom I wouldn't worry about, if that's not vapourware I'll eat my foot.
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Oh, yeah, btw, what is that "Phantom" you're all talking about?
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It's some vaporware that's been out on the news groups for awhile now. Penny Arcade did a cartoon on it. It's supposadly the most powerful system ever, with a DVD burner, ethernet, top of the line card, blablabla.
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Originally posted by Nico
Oh, yeah, btw, what is that "Phantom" you're all talking about?
http://www.infiniumlabs.com/
Go here, look at it and it's specs.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTEy
It will never exist as anything more than a money grabbing plan. Aparrently the CEO of the company has done this before, getting people to invest money in a product that will never exist before dissolving the company and doing a runner.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
There's a simple solution to this conundrum: only ever buy consoles with Zelda games on them. Well, except the Philips CDi, that one was just... :ick
Zelda is not a platform seller.
Metroid is a platform seller.
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I hated pre GC Metroid. I liked Zelda though. "POV" basically.
I don't think neither MS or Sony are overly concerned about what Nintendo does nowadays.
Is Nintendo the next Sega ? :doubt:
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By the way, the new console from APEX is supposed to run PC games. It has embedded Windows XP configured to supposedly allows you to use the OS for different things. Is this trend of making consoles like PC going to continue? Personally, I think it defeats the point of a console (cheap, easy (to set up), relatively bug-free gaming).
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Consoles have the advantage of being a stable development environment - there's no need to worry about changing standards, how to support IO, etc - makes technological testing a LOT simpler.
I reckon the use of Pc architecture is simply to try and get as many cross platform titles as possible... bear in mind, though, that a lot of the common Pc problems are software, not hardware related. Goes back to that 'stable development platform' thing... no need to have drivers, for example, as your - eg- IO devices can be set to a strict type and format.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Zelda is not a platform seller.
Metroid is a platform seller.
:yes:
Pikmin is the reason I bought a Gamecube.
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Wait wait...Nintendo has a new console for this years lineup? I didn't believe that was going to happen...maybe late 2005. Certainly not 2004.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
There's a simple solution to this conundrum: only ever buy consoles with Zelda games on them. Well, except the Philips CDi, that one was just... :ick
Well put. :yes:
Or just borrow them/it from your friend and have your way with Zelda, then return it to him a year or so later. :)
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Originally posted by IceFire
Wait wait...Nintendo has a new console for this years lineup? I didn't believe that was going to happen...maybe late 2005. Certainly not 2004.
http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2003/120403a.html
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You know, I'd buy a game cube if the games were not as costy as the Xbox ones.
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I knew Ninty would have a new console out soonish, ever since I saw the specs for the GC... it's very much a short-term console (established tech, efficiency & price over power, attempts to make development simple as possible). The delays releasing the N64 vs the PS1 and the GC vs the PS2 are probably the main reason Nintendo's underachieved so much, IMHO.