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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: an0n on January 06, 2004, 06:14:35 pm
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........Clicky clicky (http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,61792,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_3)
So now they're working on the same principles as the Terror Alerts. You don't need any proof or even a vague rumor, you can just do it whenever you feel like it and without even having to make up a reason.
Personally I think it's a great idea, as they'll finally be able to get to the bottom of this Enron business.
:ha: :doubt:
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Yay, now it's only a matter of time before we get all sorts of "Enemy of the State"-ish movies going in real life.
Wheee!!!
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I'll be Gene Hackman, you be Will Smith.
Stealth can be the dog that gets spray-painted.
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I better start packing then *runs away* ;7 :D
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Australia is calling my name fiercely.
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Hell not more. :(
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and yet we still have more freedom that any other country, so you ex-patriots can suck on it.
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Uhhh.... Are you feeling all right today, Carl?
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Under the law, the FBI does not need to seek a court order to access such records, nor does it need to prove just cause.
holy ****?!?!?! G.W just ****ed over the US constitution!
AGAIN!!
:hopping: :hopping:
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[q]and yet we still have more freedom that any other country,[/q]
That, I contest sir.
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Originally posted by Carl
and yet we still have more freedom that any other country, so you ex-patriots can suck on it.
I'd like you to present me an objective comparison of "freedom" between various countries, Carl.
And I'd like you to exactly what you mean by "patriot". Its obvious you don't mean what I do by "patriot".
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We've probably got more red tape than you guys but I'd argue that Canada is the more freer and more transparent society than the US is right now (I tend to think the two waver back and forth). If we've got Mad Cow, we tell people. If we've got SARS, we tell people. If a defense minister doesn't know what the hell is going on in Afghanistan oh we tell people, if some guy breaks into the P.M.'s house in the middle of the night and has a near confrontation with the P.M. yes we tell people about that too. Nevermind that youths are protected under the justice act, no death penalty of any kind, and so on and so forth.
The thing is, to implement security at Canadian borders they didn't have to walk all over the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (and that was never quite as grandious in freedoms as the US Constitution but its close). The other point to be made is that there are probably less people pissed off in the world at Canadian's although apparently its seen that Canada may be a good staging area for a terrorist attack except that in actual fact (at least in theory) Canadian immigration laws were tougher than US ones pre-911 (I have no idea now).
This country has plenty of flaws, plenty of flaws...but I'd say were a bit freer because we talk about them, argue about them, have national debates about them, one provincial government even wanted to separate from the country (and the people got to decide that one), and best of all, if anyone has seen This Hour Has 22 Minutes or Royal Canadian Air Farce you'll see that our media is quite adept at making fun of ourselves as well.
All in good humor it seems :)
I worry about you guys south of the border. I like your country and I like visiting it virtually every summer. But it gets harder to want to somedays.
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Also, you're not under the control of a bible-bashing, retarded, corrupt, back-scratching, ass-kissing, tramp-bombing, little warmonger.
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Carl: Spoken like a true Southern farmboy. You've never been to another industrialized state, have you?
Otherwise: Ugh. Y'know, after all the **** that's happened in the past few years, I'm numb. Too much for outrage, nothing I can do about it, and there's worse to come before it gets better. In fact, that was probably the plan all along.
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so they, know what I'm buying, granted the 'without authorisation' bit is troubleing but wake me when thay do something realy bad, I'm too tired now
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You know, it's times like these that living under the sea looks better and better.
Hrmmm..
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Mmmmm. Atlantean women. *drools*
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Under the sea.. under the sea! There'll be no accusations.. only friendly crustaceans.. under the sea!
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Whoo! I'm never going to America again!
(no, really. I didn't even take up the chance to go back to Florida last year)
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John Ashcroft must be pissing himself with glee. The police state inches ever closer, but its not like I care. A nation who is so ignorant to its own affairs, who don't notice a law enacted to breach their civil liberties, just becuase TeeVee didn't tell them so, well..they deserve whatever they get. Maybe at some point in thr future, people will start becoming citizens instead of just sheep, but then again, maybe not.
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SNIP
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this really suck
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no, it doesn't, HIG. it fricken owns! I hope we can see some death races sometime soon. that president guy in death race 2000 really owned.
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yes it does i got friends living there and now USA IS turning Military/Cop Nation next there is soldiers everywhere in streets (hope not)
and reason is because those ****ing terrorist's
but Bush is going too far
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what's wrong with police state?
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They tend to be difficult to control and think they're almighty.
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Originally posted by kode
what's wrong with police state?
What's wrong? Well, a police state is incompatible with the concept of "for the people, by the people", for one thing. Or how about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
If conceptual problems aren't enough, lets look at the big one: a police state is a direct abrogation of the Constitution of the United States.
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Originally posted by mikhael
What's wrong? Well, a police state is incompatible with the concept of "for the people, by the people", for one thing. Or how about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
If conceptual problems aren't enough, lets look at the big one: a police state is a direct abrogation of the Constitution of the United States.
I was gonna quote that caesar thingie you had in the sig, but then I googled and found out it was a false quote. anyways, bleh.
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One qutoe for the US administration to think of: With greatness comes responsibility. - Sir Winston Churchill.
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So when are we getting telescreens installed?
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Whats wrong with a police state? Goodness? You need to ask that?
Restricted movement, restricted ocupation, state control of nearly everything, no room for queston or debate, law is made and then is enforced to the utmost. All media outlets would also be controlled and screened fo content. Its a total loss of democracy and it provides for a a door for the loss of civil rights, human rights, and dehumanization of those who are seen to be in conflict with the state.
If you do live in the states or another Western democracy, not knowing the dangers of such a system is indeed a serious problem. Not specifically yours but the failure of the community and education system to try and preserve the education about the good that rights and freedom for people brings.
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I think he was being sarcastic. But seriously, if they don't notice a serious breach of civil liberties 'cause it was a ****ing weekend and the TeeVee didn't tell them something was up, then they deserve everything they get.
Next thing you know, entire wars will go unnoticed cause the final episode of The Bachelor was on.
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Originally posted by kode
I was gonna quote that caesar thingie you had in the sig, but then I googled and found out it was a false quote. anyways, bleh.
Wow. I had no idea. When I originally found the quote, no one had listed as a hoax--and I checked. I'll be changing the attribution to read "Unknown Internet Author".
Whilst the quote itself may be apocryphal, the content of the words is manifestly an accurate depiction of Roman history during Caesar's day. The same sentiments were echoed by Machiavelli, as well.
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You know, you wouldn't have to worry about all this 'police state' business if you were a policeman yourself.
That gives me an idea...
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What, turning over to evil? I'd have to cap you before you could finish and it'd be the chair for it.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Wow. I had no idea. When I originally found the quote, no one had listed as a hoax--and I checked. I'll be changing the attribution to read "Unknown Internet Author".
Whilst the quote itself may be apocryphal, the content of the words is manifestly an accurate depiction of Roman history during Caesar's day. The same sentiments were echoed by Machiavelli, as well.
I could have sworn that the quote was from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Whilst the quote itself may be apocryphal, the content of the words is manifestly an accurate depiction of Roman history during Caesar's day. The same sentiments were echoed by Machiavelli, as well.
ah, yes... machiavelli. I still need to actually read that book. same thing with platos republic. that one is particulary interesting. his whole idea really fascinates me.
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*reads entire thread*
Originally posted by mikhael
Australia is calling my name fiercely.
I'm with you. Let's both go. ;)
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*going with them*
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I don't think they'd want you, you might bring all those stranges ideas along, how could they take such risk? :D
"Starts building a giant wall around the USA to complety enclose them" :p
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...Oh come on now... you're openning yourself up to all of those French jokes now... :doubt: :p
*waits for DC*
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Well, don't look at us, we're having problems of our own ;) The only advantage we have in England is that we are a damn sight smaller, so it's easier for news to get around... but it's only a matter of time, I'm certain, everyone will be watching Pop Idol or Big Brother when it happens most likely :(
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
...Oh come on now... you're openning yourself up to all of those French jokes now... :doubt: :p
*waits for DC*
Like I'm not used to those :p
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Bah... Earth sucks... ;)
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Oh well, I wasn't planning on leaving Australia any time soon anyway.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
What, turning over to evil? I'd have to cap you before you could finish and it'd be the chair for it.
Oh yeah.. cause'.. you know.. all forms of law enforcement are evil. :blah:
I'm sleepy.
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Originally posted by Ace
I could have sworn that the quote was from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
Nope. Turns out its not.
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If he said it, it wasn't in the play's version. He croaks before he says anything as such.
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:sigh: America is the worst country in the world, except for all the other ones
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KT: Never seen a cop that wasn't. Never met anyone who knew a human cop. Seems to me like it'd be pretty much grasping for it to assume anything otherwise.
Besides, their basic job description is to beat the **** out of whoever they decide are criminals, interrogate them, deprive them of liberties, and otherwise do basically anything and everything everyone would find utterly reprehensible if done by someone not a cop, and with pretty poor judgement of who's a criminal to boot. If that isn't a big ****ing tipoff, I don't know what is. They're hired thugs, and worse they're often self-righteous thugs.
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Where the hell do you live? New York?
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Virginia. And Iowa, though as that has all of about four cops and no black people, the death toll caused by police isn't so high and the worst thing that happens is everyone has to run like hell when one busts in on 'em smoking a flower, and maybe the occasional search. But anywhere you get a significant mass of police, you get the same beatings, murders, corruption, etc.
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So bassically a few bad apples ruin the entire, erm.. pie?
Nice mentality.
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*tsk tsk* Stryke.
I know a few good cops. US Navy military police, though one did go in to law enforcement after he got out. Not all cops are bad, truly. You just hear about the most egregious offenders.
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And apparently they're the only ones I meet, too.
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You know, I can't help but think there is a reason for that.
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hey i can be all the extras, im good at making different faces.
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Originally posted by an0n
Also, you're not under the control of a bible-bashing, retarded, corrupt, back-scratching, ass-kissing, tramp-bombing, little warmonger.
[color=66ff00]Ahh, the bitter truth.
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US cops sound cool... They're not like that around, thanks Pete :p
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Well, the only cop I really know (well, he works in the Sherriff's Department, but still) is pretty nice.
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out where I live, the only thing most people care about is beer, including probly 95% of the kids in my school (not including me, I don't drink). The problem is that the cops wouldn't care if they caught you drinking, unless you're black.
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That'd be because you live in Texas. :rolleyes:
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*is tempted to make full metal jacket quote*
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Would it involve queers and steers?