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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: an0n on January 07, 2004, 12:20:41 am
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I'm bored to tears, so I'm 'purchasing' a 'bundled box' of Green Lantern and Spawn comics.
And, due to my excessive viewing of Justice League, I got to thinking: Which universe is best?
Marvel: These guys have got all the good, solid, down-in-the-dumps superheroes. From the perpetually persecuted X-Men, who are forever doomed to die fighting Apocalypses robot armies; To Spiderman, who saves the world every day and still gets chase by the police and angry mobs.
The marvel universe is amazingly huge, with many dozens of super-heroes of all shapes and sizes spread across all time and space. If it's wierd and can be turned into a fight between good and evil, Marvel has it.
DC Comics:[/u] The slightly darker breed of comic, featuring infallible guardians of morality and justice such as Superman, Batman, Green Lantern and the Flash.
The DC universe is a lot more black and white than Marvel. Good guys always do what's right. Bad guys always do what's wrong. Nice, clean, simple.
2000 AD:[/u] Horrifically graphic and very dark. Regardless of right or wrong, you're subject to the whims of those who defend the law. There's no morality, no ethical dilemmas, no questionable motives and no grey areas. You break the law, you die.
Spawn:[/u] My personal favourite outta the bunch. Spawn is about as far from a super-hero as you can get. He mopes around in constant pain, trying to resist the sweet scent of blood that his K-7 suit lusts for.
Spawn is by far the darkest of all the comic universes, featuring such lovely scenes as Al Simmons' partner being slowly hacked to death by Viet-Cong troops while Simmons is forced to listen to his screams, knowing that by simply telling them a set of co-ords he could end it all for both of them.
It's largely a tale of the balance between right and wrong and how the need for some context and purpose are more important than the trivials of the battle itself.
So, which do you 'tards like the most?
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DC classics are deh 0wn
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Never read any 2000AD, bu DC Comics has Preacher and Transmet. No more need be said, really.
[waits for that one guy to come in talking about how the quality of the comics have no bearing on which publisher is best]
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I grew up on Marvel (X-men and Spidey mostly) but I'm really partial to Batman.
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Batman?
Seemed like it was only the bad guys that were really cool in Batman. 'Course, they were usually really cool (Joker kicked ass in every incarnation, even those silly TV episodes), but still, I don't think you're supposed to be genuinely dissapointed when the good guy wins.
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Well the newer Batman cartoons. (The New Adventures of Batman and Robin I think they were called, and Batman Beyond of course) The movies have never been all that great though, and Clooney's bit was a joke.
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Never heard of any of those.
But Asterix is pretty good.
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Asterix :D
Well I prefer spawn, I hate all those Lycra dudes.
But I'm much more into manga than comics anyway.
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I prefer to read Manga nowadays.
BTW an0n I'll officially apologise to you and everyone on NW.
I keep a distance unitl my exams on roll and I'm moving house in the middle of it, so I was a little frustrated.
Sorry for my insolence, l8ter.
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Manga, Asterix, Spirou and Fantasio (and other Franquin ones)
there's some
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I prefer Marvel in general cause I grew up reading Spiderman and Transformers.
Batman however can be dark too. Try The Dark Knight Returns. I loved that story (Especially since I absolutely hate Superman).
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Never heard of any of those.
But Asterix is pretty good.
Zigackly!
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I voted Marvel, but you probably should have included Image and Dreamwave on there.
BattleChasers was the **** back in the day, as was pretty much anything WidlStorm put out.
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Marvel is really good. But my all time favorite is still and always will be DARK HORSE! They got EVERYTHING! Tarzan VS. The Predator is particularly good. :yes: Not to mention their whole Star Wars line of comics that just simply OWNZ!
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Tarzan VS. The Predator
Come on, the very idea is ridiculous :doubt:
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(http://www.archangel-studios.com/comics/redstar/joinordie23.jpg)
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I prefer Marvel for the superhero genre, because I really do like the Xmen and the Hulk. I don't know why.
My favorite single comic, however, is Sandman, and thus I like DC.
Darkhorse has only Star Wars (hit or miss) and Aliens vs [insert entity here] or Predator vs [insert entity here] for me. They come a distant third.
I also like a few of the off press books. I loved Dynamo Joe (BEST. MECHA. COMIC. EVAR. beats every mecha manga I've ever read. Hands down) and I like X-O Manowar. I've got the issue where they do the transparent layer overlays showing the workings of the good skin.
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I like both Marvel and DC almost equally, with Marvel winning by a nose. The thing about Marvel is, the superheroes aren't as powerful, so you can get some interesting strategies and solutions from the heroes. On the other hand, The very fact that DC's Heroes are so powerful leads the writers to thinking up interesting trials can't be solved just by punching out an army of baddies.
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I have been reading lot diffrent comic's around 1990 when i did have many comic's but not much anymore
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Originally posted by Nico
Come on, the very idea is ridiculous :doubt:
Why?
Predators go to planets to hunt the most dangerous game to be found there. When they can't find anything truly dangerous, they seed Aliens and hunt those.
Tarzan is a badass in his jungle. Its a perfect matchup. The predator would likely limit himself to primitive weapons to make it a fairer fight. Epic battle ensues. It could seriously kick ass. :D
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Come on! The predator and... tarzan?!? What's hes doing, whipping the Predator up with a liana?
Well actually, i'm pretty sure I've seen Tarzan VS ALien too :doubt:
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Shrike: There any source of, y'know, more specific info on that series? I'm kinda interested, but like hell I'm gonna buy something without knowing jack about it. The homepage is vague as all hell, etc...
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Well, imagine is Lenin had the mentality of Stalin, and that furthermore he was a massively powerful sorcerer who was manipulating the USSR from beyond the grave and using the souls of those who died in its service to keep himself 'alive'. That's the Red Star version of the USSR in a nutshell. One man, Marcus Antares, is the key to bringing the entire system down, and he has to reach the soul prison of Archangel which is (I believe) the centre of the entire archipelago. The stories themselves follow more of his wife Maya however.
The art is killer too, especially in the trade paperbacks. Mmm, oversized glossies.
What do you want to know about it?
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Originally posted by mikhael
It could seriously kick ass. :D
And it did.
Nico: Yeah, the concept sounds rather ludicrous, the very reason why I bought it, but I have to say it was really good and entertaining.
But alas, I forgot to mention that I still love Spiderman. I dunno what it is, but he's just too cool of a Superhero. Though Spawn comes into a close second, he just sometimes feels to depressing for me. But the one I REALLY forgot about and really enjoyed, was LOBO. He, kicked ass...
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Never read any 2000AD, bu DC Comics has Preacher and Transmet. No more need be said, really.
[waits for that one guy to come in talking about how the quality of the comics have no bearing on which publisher is best]
Two of my absolute favourites right there. Everyone should read Preacher.
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Yes indeed, the Red Star kick extrordinary amounts of ass. I've read the first like 7 issue (whatever the first volume was) and that got me good and interested. I'll probably be buying the rest soon.
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Originally posted by 01010
Everyone should read Preacher.
I could never get into Preacher at all and I generally like the Vertigo Press stuff.
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anyone heard of "Blade of the Immortal" ?
That's pretty cool but totally different to DC etc.
I used to be into manga in a big way, Never really liked US stuff.
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Originally posted by mikhael
I could never get into Preacher at all and I generally like the Vertigo Press stuff.
Really? Everyone I know who's read it has loved it, ah well, each to there own.
Back to KOTOR for me. This game is like crack. :)
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Marvel: Xmen, the Hulk, The Punisher all great
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Shrike: I guess mostly I wanna read some of it before I decide spend any money. 'S pretty much what I always do with books. More's the pity this thing's never in bookstores, I guess.
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a 32 page book on costs $1.25, which is what is great about them.
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Originally posted by 01010
Back to KOTOR for me. This game is like crack. :)
Here here. :thepimp:
*still needs to kill Malak
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I've so totally and utterly changed my mind that it's not even funny.
Spawn is nothing compared to the Green Lantern, Hal Jordan.
I just finished reading Emerald Dawn 1+2 (the beginnings of the Lantern), the ones where Coast City is obliterated and Jordan wipes out the Lantern Corp and the Guardians for not letting him turn back time to save 7 million people, Final Night (where, as Parallax, Jordan saves the Earth and dies) and The Last Will And Testament Of Hal Jordan (where the power incarnate comes to Jordan's buddy, recreated Oa and restarts the Lantern Corp).
Abso-fucking-lutely awesome.
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Green Lantern is cool, but then there's the OTHER Green Lanterns. The whiney, pathetic, annoying ones.
But I gotta agree: when the writing is ON, its full on and rough. :D
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I dunno. Always seemed that a superhero that can do literally anything thanks to his powers pretty much rules out a story unless you introduce some major logic holes.
'Course, I mostly know Green Lantern from the Superfriends and aforementioned obnoxious versions, so maybe there's some reasonable way the whole deal works I don't know about, but blah.
Sinestro kicks ass, though.
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well, see, the ring can create what you can imagine, so if you want to make a hand, that's fine, but if you want to make an atomic ray gun, you'd have to imagine every screw, bolt, mirror, diode, micro curcuit, wire, and magnet in the gun at the same time, so that rules out anything complicated. though keep in mind, it varies from user to user. Kyle Rayer is an artist, so what he creates with the ring is going to be more complex and fancy, while someone like Jon Stuwart, who is a serious, stone cold ex-marine, is gonna go for things less imaginative and more practical.
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In my case, it's manga all the way, Heroic-fantasy and cyberpunk being my most cherished genre. Try to read Bastard one of this day : eye-candy much, but the more you advance in the story, the more I like the scenario (even if it is a BIT much incomprehensible for most of my friends :ick )
Otherwise, I'm also fond of Marvel comics, Spidey especially.
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Berserk, I'm waiting for a reedition, coz the editor in france who hads it, well, basically ****ed up with the license. SO for now I have to live with the two first tomes and the series :p
I bought all the You're Under Arrest recently, ok, it's old, but it's still fun ( if a bit silly ).
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If you want silly, read Marville.
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Heheh, Marville is rather funny, I have to admit. Where the whole world is owned by AOL or something.
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[color=66ff00]Where'd you pick up the Lantern comics an0n? Wouldn't mind reading some of those myself. I know the general history of the lantern but not much detail.
Myself, I was always partial to Iron Man and Ghostrider but I was brought up on 2000AD, xmen and generation X later.
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My method of appropriation was somewhat less than morally sound.
:nervous: *cough* suprnova.org *cough* :nervous:
You'll need to Google for CDisplay to view them.
Oh and Stryke: Half the fun of the super-heroes having limitless power is that it inevitably corrupts them. Like when Hal Jordan turned into Phallanx. He basically went nuts and slaughtered everyone with his infinite power.
Same thing when Kyle tries to form the New Lantern Corp. He gives a ring to one psycho and BOOM! Billions of people dead.
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[color=66ff00]Ahhh, cheers anyhow. :nod:
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Carl: Exactly. So, it's only not all-powerful if you're a retard. Otherwise, sure, take a minute to assemble something, but it'd be like a ****in' minute for something that could knock a hole in all opposition the size of Vermont. Or you could just make a really really big hand.
And I'd think a hand would be, if anything, a lot more complicated to do...
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yeah, but it's not really a hand, just a blob with five thingies sticking out of it. it doesn't have to have viens and ligaments and bones to work, just move around the fingers, but a laser gun, that needs all the parts in order to work.
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i don't read paper comics. even though i have an old torn up issue of iron man laying around somewhere. I prefure online comics if those count. and those Would be foxfire in first(no i'm not sucking up to turnsky for anything) Then Life of Riley and at last PVP
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*has the entire Secret Wars series with the exception of 2-8*
Two or three times I've been cruising around a car-boot sale and happened across some fool selling a sack-load of old Marvel comics for like £5 because they're too lazy or too ignorant to find out what they're worth.
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The entire Crisis on Infinite Earths series from DC was rather interesting. Haven't really read any comics that have been printed since the mid 80s. I might have to pick up that Thor story arc where he took over the world....