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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nico on January 19, 2004, 07:19:13 am
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http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/ae/articles/0118disneystudio0118.html
Saw that last week, but I stumbeled on it again, so I thought I'd share.
No more 2D animation at Disney. I wonder if old Walt rests that well.
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Walt would be spinning in his grave.. 'tis sad news, for it was 2d animation that made Disney studios in the first place..
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I imagine it's much easier to work with and manipulate 3D artwork such as with Pixar studios - plus the kids probably go for it a lot more. I still say you can't beat the old classics (Jungle Book, Snow White etc.)
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Ah well, anyway, now that I think about it, I don't care.
"Waits for the latest Ghibli"
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LIIIIIOOOOOOONNNNNNNN KKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by an0n
LIIIIIOOOOOOONNNNNNNN KKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gah! My favorite Disney movie shouted from the fingers of an0n... :nervous: :shaking:
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Lion King totally ****ing trounces all-over every other Disney movie ever made.
If Disney were the English Crown, Lion King would be the huge diamond embedded in it.
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wow...I agree with an0n...
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That's gay. It means we'll probably not see any new movies with human characters in it, like one of my favorites: Aladdin. In fact, now that i think of it, most of their classic movies center on human characters. but sadly, not until CG improves somewhat will it be cost effective to make human centered movies.
and the Lion King=The roXor
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I think it's because it deviated from the usual Disney plot:
Happiness But Not Perfect -> Tradgedy -> Lowest Point In Life -> Kind Strangers -> Gaining Happiness -> Losing Happiness -> Paradise -> Maiming Of 'Evil' Forces
Lion King kinda went:
UnEasy Happiness -> Tradgedy -> Struggle -> More Struggle -> Being Dicked On Some More -> Taking Control Of Life -> Murder -> Paradise
Basically, it ripped-off Hamlet.
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Aladdin was good. The Guard-Chase scene was awesome.
And Aladdin calling Abu his 'esteemed offendee'.
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The Lion King was based on Hamlet, not ripping it off. The Disney guys said so. *always believes the Disney guys*
The Lion King and Aladdin have one thing in common: they're both darker than most of the other Disney movies. It's a refreshing change.
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Yeah. Lion King was also a rip off of King Leo, but that's beyond the point I suppose :p
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And Aladdin was a rip-off of......err......Les Miserables? As well as just about every Arabian Nights tale ever told.
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How do you get Les Mis from Aladdin? Where's Javert tracking Alladin, dogging him to the last, even though he's become a good man? Ali wasn't bad, but it wasn't Les Mis, even slightly.
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The head of the palace guard....err.....Kasuf, was it?
Aladdin steals a piece of bread and Kasuf never stops trying to get him. Even after he becomes Prince, he's still out to get him.
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I liked Treasure Planet. Nice fantasy ride :)
Lion King, was...meh...never knew what the biggy was. Except for Timone and Poomba: They R0xor j00 box0rs! :D
Anyway, an0n's right, pretty much EVERY Disney original movie went: [Happy]--->[something new happens or comes about]---->[causes problems]---->[conflict]---->[conflict retified in final battle-ish thingy]---->[happy forever]
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hmmm.... (thinks about threatining Disney) *they will listen*:drevil: :devil:
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Oh dear God.
I'll wait for someone with and English Degree to come along and properly *****-slap you, but sufficed to say that comment was kinda dumb.
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:wtf: Disney IS 2D cartoons, from Snow White onwards, if they give up, then it will be the end of hand-drawn animation outside Art colleges. Yes, I enjoyed Pixar and Stuff like that, but what made Disney famous was the skill of their artists in bringing characters to life.
Admittedly, CG Artists are very skilled of their own right, but Disney not having drawn animation is like Manga with lip-sync, too unbelievable to believe!
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Originally posted by Flipside
:wtf: Disney IS 2D cartoons, from Snow White onwards, if they give up, then it will be the end of hand-drawn animation outside Art colleges. Yes, I enjoyed Pixar and Stuff like that, but what made Disney famous was the skill of their artists in bringing characters to life.
Admittedly, CG Artists are very skilled of their own right, but Disney not having drawn animation is like Manga with lip-sync, too unbelievable to believe!
*whacks* You mean Anime. Anime = Japanese animation. Manga = Japanese comics/graphic novels.
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Yes, but I only ever watched the Manga brand, back in the mid 90's, so I can't speak for others :)
Either way, yes, I guess I meant Anime ;)
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Originally posted by an0n
The head of the palace guard....err.....Kasuf, was it?
Aladdin steals a piece of bread and Kasuf never stops trying to get him. Even after he becomes Prince, he's still out to get him.
You know what? You're absolutely right. I bow before your recall of Disney flicks.
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Hmmm, you know, i'm pretty sure The Movie Aladdin was based on The Story Aladdin :rolleyes:
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And i think the head of the palace guard was named Razoul.
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That's the one.
But there was someone called Kasuf. Maybe it was the narrator?
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Originally posted by Flipside
:wtf: Disney IS 2D cartoons, from Snow White onwards, if they give up, then it will be the end of hand-drawn animation outside Art colleges. Yes, I enjoyed Pixar and Stuff like that, but what made Disney famous was the skill of their artists in bringing characters to life.
Admittedly, CG Artists are very skilled of their own right, but Disney not having drawn animation is like Manga with lip-sync, too unbelievable to believe!
I don't think Disney have had a decent 'drawn' cartoon success (i.e. box office) since the Lion King, whereas the Pixar stuff has cleaned up. That's yer reason for it right there.
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Originally posted by Carl
Hmmm, you know, i'm pretty sure The Movie Aladdin was based on The Story Aladdin :rolleyes:
If you had ever read the Arabian Nights (even a gimpy translation), you'd realise that the Disney Aladdin is remarkably unlike the old arabian story. In fact, the only simarities are someone wicked wanting a lamp and duping some patsy into fetching it. From there, it goes elsewhere entirely.:rolleyes:
But hey, why would anyone actually READ when they can watch pretty moving pictures?:rolleyes:
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someone should thaw out Walt and hand 'em a assault rifle
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I think they only froze his head.........
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Originally posted by mikhael
If you had ever read the Arabian Nights
the only book I never have finished. It's mindboggling. The story within a story within a story turns your brain into mush.
that said: Lion King is one very very good movie.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
I think they only froze his head.........
<<; What good does that do?
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Disney going down??
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is finally hit with full implications of that statement
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
runs around till he hits a wall, falls down and goes unconcious
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Originally posted by delta_7890
<<; What good does that do?
Presumably they intended on buying a new body. Possibly a mechanical super-robot body, from which he can rule the Earth with a fist of iron.
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Heh....only anime from now own....if only people realised.
Still you know the funny thing is Disney bought the right to distribute Miyasaki films themselves.
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Yeah, saw that.
Last year, for Chihiro's advertising un the States:
"Spirited Away, the latest movies from Disney"
Geez, at least they got some nerves :doubt:
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Originally posted by Nico
Yeah, saw that.
Last year, for Chihiro's advertising un the States:
"Spirited Away, the latest movies from Disney"
Geez, at least they got some nerves :doubt:
Really..they did do that....:blah:
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Presumably they intended on buying a new body. Possibly a mechanical super-robot body, from which he can rule the Earth with a fist of iron.
That man is/was a being of pure evil, created from the same swirling clouds of evil gases that lurk on the outer rim of the solar system as Hitler, Genghis Khan and Barney The Dinosaur.
/Shudders/
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Why do I get the feeling that most will forget Studio Ghibli ever had anything to do with it, just because Disney touched it?
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Originally posted by 01010
That man is/was a being of pure evil, created from the same swirling clouds of evil gases that lurk on the outer rim of the solar system as Hitler, Genghis Khan and Barney The Dinosaur.
Note to self: never visit outer Sol system.
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damn... ...
(and my vote goes for Lion King too)
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Without 2D.. disney should just turn to pr0n.
Disney was 2d.
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I suppose no one should ever have started making television. Radio was soooo much better. And color TV? worst idea of all.
The medium is not what is important. The stories are what is important.
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:thoughtful silence:
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Originally posted by mikhael
I suppose no one should ever have started making television. Radio was soooo much better. And color TV? worst idea of all.
The medium is not what is important. The stories are what is important.
Yeah, except Disney 2D ala Aladin or Ducktales ruled and A Bug's Life was teh suX0rz.
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you know in this era of lazer printers and high defenition TVs those stupid people who still use a brush and paint just fill me with the same rage I get when looking at an omish person,
damn backwardsly people
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Originally posted by Bobboau
omish person
Amish don't you mean. and what's wrong with painting with a brush. i find it pretty fun when you've got the right music to listen to.
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it was a sarcastic statement made in responce to Mik's 'yey for progres' thing
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oh
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Bob, you display an incredible aptitude for missing the point.
I'm not "YAY FOR TEH PORGESS!!!111". I'm "Yay for story!". Story, message, entertainment: Those are all that count. How the story gets to you does NOT.
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Well mik does make a good point in that it's the story that is important not the medium they tell it in. Just cause they use 3D doesn't mean the story can't be good.
I don't buy this crap that just cause they don't make 2D movies any more everything they do will therefore be worthless.
However I do agree with the sentiment that it's a shame they are quiting 2D as there is a lot that can be done with that medium that doesn't look the same in 3D.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Bob, you display an incredible aptitude for missing the point.
I'm not "YAY FOR TEH PORGESS!!!111". I'm "Yay for story!". Story, message, entertainment: Those are all that count. How the story gets to you does NOT.
Unless you love Disney 2D art.
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Well, I've never been a big fan of the Disney 2d style. Animation wise, the only thing I've liked for a very long time from Disney was Lilo&Stitch and maybe Tarzan. I'm very much not a fan of TLK, TLM, BatB and the like (story OR animation) or Aladdin (story was groovy, animation was annoying, as usual).
Whilst I agree its a shame to see a 2d studio going away, I just can't mourn the loss of a DISNEY 2d studio.
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Well, Aladdin, Tarzan, Beauty & t'Beast, and a couple of others were all, to a certain degree, ruined by some rather iffy computer animated scenes. They'd more or less got it by Tarzan, but some of the older stuff is actually quite unsettling to watch, knowing it's origin.
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only Disney movie i ever liked was The Lion King. it was one of the only movies' i saw my parents cry watching. :)
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Originally posted by Flipside
Well, Aladdin, Tarzan, Beauty & t'Beast, and a couple of others were all, to a certain degree, ruined by some rather iffy computer animated scenes. They'd more or less got it by Tarzan, but some of the older stuff is actually quite unsettling to watch, knowing it's origin.
:wtf: ruined? :wtf:
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He must be talking about the old DeepCanvas stuff, like the stampedes in Lion King and the Ballroom in Beauty and the Beast. I wouldn't say they were ruined by the 3d stuff, not at all. They're bad on other merits (usually Disneyfied stories, or that annoying overdone style they use, or the singing, dear god the ****ing singing).
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Well whatever. I grew up on that generation of movies, so I still say they are better. :p
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So did I. I'm only four years younger than you. The only difference is that I somehow avoided getting hooked on the disney-tit. There's only so much annoying screeching and squealing I can gloss past before I realise I really don't like what I'm seeing any more than I like what I'm hearing.
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Hrmm.. I really should fix my profile sometime.
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I need to watch The Lion King again.
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Mulan really was their best made animated film.
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Oh, I forgot Mulan. That one was actually pretty nifty.
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You know.. I have the sudden urge to watch it again. T'was bery kickass, what with mushu and the Huns and all.
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Disney has made so many good things Mulan Lion King etc
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Never seen Mulan, now that I think about it...
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me neither
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Let's put it this way: I own two disney flicks. Mulan and The Black Cauldron. The second only because I love Lloyd Alexander.
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the Black Cauldron... Taram?
Yeah, loved that one, tho it was really on the short side.