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Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 20, 2004, 02:53:15 pm: Anyone some Informations fopr me about this Mod.
There is some bug or something like it... and because of it its not possible to play the mod till end. Anyone nows something about it??
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TopAce on January 20, 2004, 02:57:16 pm: :welcome:

I don't have a clue. I have never heard about this mod.
I just posted to welcome a newbie myself at last!

[EDIT] See Skippy's list! Main page - Campaign list.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 20, 2004, 02:59:19 pm: Never heard of the mod. Where abouts did you get it? VolitionWatch Archives?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TopAce on January 20, 2004, 03:03:25 pm: The name sounds familiar ... but the Campaign list doesn't have it. Maybe it has been renamed by now. Do you know any of the staff members?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Carl on January 20, 2004, 05:54:06 pm: where did you hear about it?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 20, 2004, 10:37:17 pm: it seems that this mod is only known here in germany.

Firts time i heard of it in one of our biggest game magazines "GameStar"

At this time 11/2002 it was found in this magazine as an modifikation for "Freespace 2" with a mass on new weapons and 88 new missions....

Suddenly in the readme you only found an E-Mail from the guy who made it ([email protected]) . And this E-Mail isn´t active any more...

If somebody wanna try it i can upload it so you maybe take a look (only 2,1 MB) but its only availeble in german.

The problem wit this mod is in a special mission i can clear all mission targets (primary and secondar) and get the mission as completed but as soon as i wanna start the next mission i become the message that the mission is incompleted or failed and i have to play again....

this sucks hard till the only thing you have to do is to catch 2 cruisers of yours (shut down their engines) wich isn´t really a problem....

so i hope you now know what i mean and still can read this ( i know my english suxx) ;)

And thx @ TopAce for the welcome :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Liberator on January 20, 2004, 10:38:12 pm: Apparently, he's a subscriber to this german gaming magazine:

http://www.gamestar.de/magazin/cdrom112002.htm

Whatever it is was included on their CD-ROM this month.

Darkilein, if you could provide a little more detailed information please?

Like, the basic plot or something like that it would be easier to figure out what wrong.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 20, 2004, 10:57:06 pm: i will try but it would be a great help if someone could translate cause my english skills lacks like a punch of mike tyson ^^

also es gibt eine mission in der ich 2 geflohene Kreuzer wieder einfangen muss. Ich soll innerhalb von 4 Minuten die Antriebe lahmlegen oder nach dieser Zeit beide abschießen. Es gibt keine weiteren Feinde und beide Kreuzer sind innerhalb der Zeit problemlos lahmlegbar.

In der Abschlussbesprechung heißt es dann immer Hervorragend, Dank ihrer Hilfe ect...... und bestanden. Klicke ich dann aber auf weiter um die nächste Mission zu starten krieg ich ne Meldung rein von wegen Mission nicht beendet/nicht bestanden und muss diese neu anfangen... egal wie ich sie beende....

Someone with the time may translate this ....

i must leave for now.... go 2 work like every day :doubt: :doubt: :doubt:
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 20, 2004, 11:07:56 pm: here is a maybe hint....

the story is in the first chapter about the fight against an organisation called "Hammer of Light"
Its splitted in 3 chapters with at least 88 missions (just as i said) and 2. chapter (this is where im stuck) about an giant shivan portal and a new galaxy where you and your ship (the marco polo) are taken into.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Bobboau on January 20, 2004, 11:14:12 pm: crap, that last part is exactly like a campain I wanted to do, damnit, I thought I had an origonal idea

and you do know that Hammer of light was from FS1 right?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: StratComm on January 20, 2004, 11:18:26 pm: Sounds quite interesting, but I don't think anyone here has ever even heard of it, much less played it. And as for your English skills, I didn't even notice that you were not a native speaker until you wrote in German. You ought to consider translating this campaign and putting it up somewhere, we always are looking for new stuff and you certainly have enough English skill to do a convincing job on translation.

Ultimately I would suspect that the problem lies in poorly scripted missions. That tends to come up when you have so many (and 88 missions is A LOT of missions for a campaign) just because the designers get rushed and don't test everything as thoroughly as they should.

It really sounds like some kind of Red Alert mission gone wrong, with something mission-critical not showing up. If you wanted to extract the offending missions and post them up here, perhaps someone could take a look. Some kind of failure state may be goofing up.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Bobboau on January 20, 2004, 11:21:48 pm: yeah, that's a good 2-4 times bigger than nearly any other 'big' campain
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Unknown Target on January 21, 2004, 05:44:37 am: Open up FRED, open the mission, and do an error checking yourself. Or upload it here so someone can fix it for you ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 21, 2004, 11:49:46 am: Fixing the campaign so you can just jump out and complete the mission would take me all of 10 seconds to fix. (i.e the I've completed the mission once I'm not playing it again! arguement). All I'd need would be the campaign file (it's the one ending with fc2) and the filename of the mission that isn't working.

Post the mission as well and I might see if I can fix the problem rather than just installing a work-around. (well if I can get the free time) :)

If you can post everything though. I'm sure that most of us would like to see this as sometimes good campaigns appear out of nowhere (*thinks of Homesick*).
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 21, 2004, 12:19:31 pm: k
first time thx for your help
@ Bobboau: Suddenly i never played the first part...
@ the rest of you...

i don´t know.. should i do this because copyrights. Im not the one who made this modification.. im only a player and even if i can´t find the original coder i still don´t know if its allright to decode and change his work...

but it now doesn´t matter... i uploaded the modification
here (http://mlcd.users.go2host.de/revenge.exe)
and the readme with informations from the coder:
here (http://mlcd.users.go2host.de/readme.txt)

I will now try to give you an overlook for this mod so anyone nows what its about.

This modification playes 11 years after the triumph over the shivans. You are a young fighter pilot in the GTVA. The new thread is now the HOL.. but as the story goes along you will face new threads and friends...
The MOD contains 88 mission splitted in 3 campaings, 17 new weapons and some modified battleships (wich are in my opinion are made very well and takes their part in the story as good as possible). The gameplay is hard but makable (in some missions it changes to, lets say like "hard as hell" ^^ ) It comes with some funny (or should i say unexpected) changes in the storyline.... i just will say this much. You will face old and new enemys, old and new friends and see more from hole space as you ever thougt to see....

If you think that there should be no problem with the copyright i maybe would try to change (with some help) the language to english so anyone here can try it.

That should it do for now, i will come back later today when im finished with finding and uploading the damnd neverending mission
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: kasperl on January 21, 2004, 12:37:35 pm: i am a fairly reasonable english speaker, and i can read German if i get a bit of help. if you put up a lot of text files i might be able to help, though i am not german, nor english myself. i could do it as an excersise in my German.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on January 21, 2004, 12:52:42 pm: I'm not quite sure how copyright could come into play, do you mean the copyrights of the magazine/cdrom or the author? Freespace 2 as I understand it is Interplays property, a person cannot 'copyright' a modification of someone else's game. And on most CDs, things like demos for new games are usually free to be copied and distrubted, that's what the company wants so people play their demo.

One thing we would not want to happen is for someone to take this new campaign, and claim it as their own. But I doubt that anyone around here would do that, and if they was anyone like that, they're probably not smart enough to know german so there should be now worries.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 21, 2004, 01:03:32 pm: ok i now found the damn mission load it to fred2 and made an error check... nothing found
so i now decided to upload the mission and chapter file

mission files (http://mlcd.users.go2host.de/mission.zip)

oh and for your question i ment the copyright from the author...
guess i should go to bed now... my babys waiting and nothing is more terrible than a woman who had to wait for her guy :D :D :D
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: StratComm on January 21, 2004, 02:25:30 pm: I just played through the mission; unless I'm missing something, everything fires as it should. When you start, are both the Marco Polo and the Corvette (along with the two cruisers) in mission? The only thing I can figure might be happening is that one has some sort of carry status associated with it in the previous mission and isn't showing up. Oh, and make sure you stick around for the two transports to show up and pull the cruisers out before you leave, that might be the problem as well.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TopAce on January 21, 2004, 02:49:01 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Carl
where did you hear about it?

If I knew it I would have already posted it. :D
Otherwise it only sounds familiar. Maybe I am mixing it with a film/game name. I don't have a clue.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 21, 2004, 03:06:19 pm: Edit : Solved it. (methinks)

Mission 50 is won or lost on one mission goal. Complete it and you can advance. Fail it and you have to play again.

The objective is written like this

Schützen sie die Malovolence
-When
--and
---not
----is destroyed
-----GTCv Malovolence
---has-time-elapsed
----1200

The FREDders reading may want to sit and think why that would cause a problem in this mission.

Spoiler:
The problem is that if the player completes the mission before the 1200 second delay is up and jumps out the SEXP will evaluate to false meaning you haven't completed the mission.

The problem can be solved fairly simply but I've taken a quick look at the mission and I don't particularly fancy editing a mission in german when all the events are called Event Name (they aren't even numbered! - JUST Event Name for ALL the events!).

Can someone who speaks german look at this message and tell me if it's a succesful return to base message?

Quote
Das Omega Team ist mit den Kreuzer ins nächste System geflogen. Wir werden ihnen folgen. Sie können jetzt also ihren Subraumantrieb starten, Captain. Marco Polo, Ende.

If it is I can make the mission rely on that instead of that silly 1200second delay. (of course the other choice is to simply complete the mission stick on 4x time advance and wait till 20 minutes have elapsed :D)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SGGWD on January 21, 2004, 04:25:32 pm: Quote
Originally posted by karajorma
Can someone who speaks german look at this message and tell me if it's a succesful return to base message?

Das Omega Team ist mit den Kreuzer ins nächste System geflogen. Wir werden ihnen folgen. Sie können jetzt also ihren Subraumantrieb starten, Captain. Marco Polo, Ende.

Yes it is.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: aldo_14 on January 21, 2004, 04:53:44 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TopAce

If I knew it I would have already posted it. :D
Otherwise it only sounds familiar. Maybe I am mixing it with a film/game name. I don't have a clue.

To be fair, Revenge Final Conflict are probably the 3 most common words used in any campaign name..... ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 21, 2004, 05:03:45 pm: Tis fixed. Get it from here

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/Downloads/050-Revenge.zip
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 21, 2004, 10:35:38 pm: thx.. i´ll take a look at it and try...

and for the mission design in mission 50.

It´s meant that you have 4 minutes to disable the 2 cruisers... after the 4 minutes elapsed you shall destroy them (not only disable anymore). These are only the secondory goals.
Primary goals are "the malovicence must survive" "the marco polo must survive"....

After disabling a cruiser comes an transporter, grap the cruiser and jump out with him just as it should be... if i disable only 1 cruiser in time the second cruiser will be set on invinceble.... If i disable both cruisers in time, the transporters took them away and from the marco polo (which is in this case in command cause of some "i will not tell you" problem) i get the order to jump out. If i do this the mission is in the debriefing shown as "succesfull"
But when i push the "next mission Button" it changes to mission failed...

so i hope that your changes worked.. suddenly i can´t test it now... must wait till evening...

so long now.. work is calling for me
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: redsniper on January 21, 2004, 10:35:55 pm: dude, 88 missions, that would be a loooooong campaign
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: StratComm on January 21, 2004, 10:52:47 pm: They are not well written. The mission in question is stupidly easy. You're equipped with Maxims to start off with, which never bodes well for a "disable cruiser" mission with no other support.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 21, 2004, 10:57:30 pm: yeah this is right but you still can change your weaponry... and show me the player of such a mod who´s not a proven gamer.... i mean i have no problem with it.... ok its a bad wepon payload.. doesn´t matter i load 2 railguns and a package of stiletto 2 on board an let´s rock....
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 21, 2004, 11:10:03 pm: yeeehaaaa

karajorma you are a genuis.. i tested it and it worked.. thx a lot...
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: StratComm on January 21, 2004, 11:11:12 pm: That's exactly what I'm saying; the Maxim works well as a primary because it has a rediculous range. If stelletos are available, then it couldn't be easier; 4 stelletos in each cruiser's engine and park your fighter. I didn't even look at loadouts and the mission was a walk in the park. It's nice to have a new campaign and all, but that mission is clearly filler. And 20 minutes is far too long to keep someone in there, so I'm glad someone fixed that.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 21, 2004, 11:24:33 pm: hmm you only have seen 1 of the missions... check a mission where you have 4 sqaudrons of fighters and 1 cruiser against abot 11 shivan cruisers (rakshasas, liliths and caines) and they all must be destroyed bevore the enemy cruisers jump to your helpless mothership....

and you will face them not as normaly 2-3 in one time... no all of them jump in in the same moment.... so have fun to take this easy mission ^^

and nothing again maxims but the new railguns are the reactor eating - fighter bashing - bomber killing - straight ahed with one shot - megablasters..... these babys kill a fighter in 1 hit.. a bomber in 2 and a caine class cruiser in about 10 - 15 shots... within a range of 3,7 km

but they are energy eating as bad as it gets ^^

Ohh and i forgott the most important thing on this modification...

you said that this mission is a filler... i say no it´t not... the mission is important to the story... the cruisers betrayed you a few missions ago and you hunt them a hole while....

a god mod is not only important on it´s lenght and new ships or weapons. The most important thing is the story... and maybe the modder of this one is a bad coder but he´s a real good story teller with a mass on ideas and because of this i like this mod..
Title: location
Post by: Star Dragon on January 22, 2004, 08:04:57 am: Is someone hosting this large mod? I for one would like to check this out...
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 22, 2004, 09:29:28 am: here (http://mlcd.users.go2host.de/revenge.exe) you will find the install exe ( i hope the author has no problem with this)

and the readme with informations from the coder:
here (http://mlcd.users.go2host.de/readme.txt)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 22, 2004, 12:03:33 pm: Quote
Originally posted by StratComm
They are not well written. The mission in question is stupidly easy. You're equipped with Maxims to start off with, which never bodes well for a "disable cruiser" mission with no other support.

I agree with that. I knew I wasn't dealing with a well written campaign when I saw 20 events all with the same name and only 4 messages.

However that's not Darkilein's fault and if he's enjoying himself I see no reason why he should have to stop playing the campaign just cause of an easily fixed bug :D

Darkilein : If you're enjoying this mod try Homesick (from the campaigns forum). It will blow you away when you compare the quality of that campaign with the one you're playing now. You might also want to try Inferno, Deralict and The Babylon Project too.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 22, 2004, 12:16:32 pm: hehe you are a funny one....

this is the first page i found with all about fs2 mods... i think i will play the most maybe all of them ^^

but first i must play this one ...
and i can only repeat what i said before...
this mod may not well writen.. the story telled makes it.

I will try to translate the hole mod in english and when its finished i´ll come back and show you so everyone comes into this delicios taste of storytelling :D :D :D

/edit
i forgett one thing... is this community in any other way availeble... IRC or ICQ... please tell me cause i´m a quakenet junkie and i like it more to communicate in chat than in forums
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 22, 2004, 04:19:06 pm: Feel free to enjoy the campaign. I certainly wasn't telling you to abandon it.

I can't tell what the storyline is like since I don't speak german so you could be correct about it :D

As for ICQ there is #NodeWars which is sort of a spin off from FS2 and has a large number of people from the community on it. You'd need to find a more regular denizen of the channel if you want more info though.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 22, 2004, 11:03:03 pm: ok thx.....
a big thx @ all the others to who helped.... or just wrote in here :D

than we see us in space
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on January 31, 2004, 11:32:46 am: Yeah, I know, in some parts I really coded that mod very bad....excuse for this... :(

But I'd like to tell you one thing, some month ago I had my 19th birthday. I started workin for this mod in the middle of 2001, so I coded the mod when I was just 16 years old, day for day, I worked more than 5 houres a day, for over 11 month. And I made this mod allone...

So maybe you understand me if there some bugs in it ;)

PS: Don't matter why the mod didn't get released until November 2002, after finishing I needed more than 4 months to tell to Gamestar about this mod, until they released it.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on January 31, 2004, 12:00:37 pm: cool also bist du der verbrecher dieses doch ziemlich geilen Mods???

Hmm wenn ja Respekt.... ich hab ihn nun dank Hilfe ja durchspielen können und bin begeistert...
Mir gefällt er sehr gut und ich würde ihn wie gesagt mit deiner erlaubnis gerne übersetzen....

insgesamt warn es auch nur 2 Bugs...

ein mal der im Thread genannte und behobene und zum 2. das erste mal wo du auf die Lucifer triffst...

ich weiß nich obs gewollt is das sie unbesiegbar ist aber da sie nie vernichtet werden kann crasht das game nach ner weile.. man muss sie per cheat wieder auf besiegbar setzen damit man die mission beenden kann. Abgesehen von diesen 2 dingen ist mir nix aufgefallen...

ich find es is ne gute arbeit... und man sollte diesen Mod anderen auch verfügbar machen
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 31, 2004, 12:11:35 pm: Quote
Originally posted by SFN-Darkwarrior
Yeah, I know, in some parts I really coded that mod very bad....excuse for this... :(

But I'd like to tell you one thing, some month ago I had my 19th birthday. I started workin for this mod in the middle of 2001, so I coded the mod when I was just 16 years old, day for day, I worked more than 5 houres a day, for over 11 month. And I made this mod allone...

So maybe you understand me if there some bugs in it ;)

PS: Don't matter why the mod didn't get released until November 2002, after finishing I needed more than 4 months to tell to Gamestar about this mod, until they released it.

Well I noticed that Darkilein seemed to be enjoying it so it can't be all bad :)

As I said above the parts I can't judge like the plot, characterisation etc could all be good. Learning how to FRED well is a skill that takes time. What really made the mod look bad to me was the lack of messages (at least in mission 50) and the fact that you had given all the events the same name (which made it very difficult for someone else to look at and fix your code).

The fact that you managed to make 80 missions singlehanded is however pretty impressive. :D

On piece of advice I'll give though is to take a look at these threads on advanced FREDding by cetanu

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,17653.0.html

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,17863.0.html

Both are packed with tips that even I had forgotten :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on February 01, 2004, 02:58:49 am: @Darkilein: Ja, würde mich freuen, wenn die Mod weiter im Netz verbreitet wird, Du kannst sie gerne übersetzen, denn für mich alleine wäre es echt zuviel Arbeit, zumal ich momentan an meinem Abitur arbeite. Aber ich kann dir sicherlich etwas Arbeit abnehmen, damit es schneller geht.

Warum machen wir es nicht so: Du fängst mit der Übersetzung in der letzten Mission an und ich fange mit der ersten an? Dann kommen wir uns näher bis wir uns in der Mitte treffen und die Mod dann im englischen releasen können!:)

@karajorma: THX 4 the links, I'll look them next time until I'm gonna making a new mission:nod:

Actually, I'm thinking about a new episode, continuing the Revenge FC Plot, but this time I really need someone for moddelling new ships, 'cause I'm laking in the needed skills for this.
Building the needed new weapons isn't the problem, I make every day about 5 new weapons, I already have a story for the plot and so on....think it would be nice:D
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: kasperl on February 01, 2004, 03:10:41 am: you might want to try and find already made and released models first. Aldo's modeldump (do a search) should be a good source, also,the OTT models have been released, IIRC.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on February 01, 2004, 04:34:44 am: Yes, I already thought about this, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use those modells for my new mod. There are in fact great modells and I've got thousands of ideas how to use them for the plot, but maybe not every modeller will give me the permission of using the modells for a new mod.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on February 01, 2004, 05:55:27 am: Any model which has been "released" is available to be used by anyone who wants to. As a matter of principle the MG team always contacted the designer but we were generally met with comments along the lines of "We already said you can use it. Why are you talking to me?" :D

Quite a few campaigns like Aldo's Casualties of War have stated that you can use anything you like from their campaigns as long as you give them credit.
Title: Revenge for download
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on February 01, 2004, 06:36:16 am: So, I'll release Revenge FC now in Internet, I think it's time to do so ;)

You download it in two versions here:

Revenge: Final Conflict --- German Version (Original) (http://www.sci-fi-network.de/RFC-German.rar)

And here the other version, I hope I can update it as often as possible, because it is in german, too. The missions aren't yet translated, I only translated just the readme and install files.

Revenge: Final Conflict --- US Version (Pre Translated, Alpha Status) (http://www.sci-fi-network.de/RFC-US.rar)

If someone of you wants to translate a mission, he/she can do so, send the mission back and I'll update the folder.:)

PS: Both packages contains the fixed mission 050-revenge.fs2!
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on February 01, 2004, 06:55:42 am: ok ich fang von hinten an und du von vorne.. kann aba dauern da ich die nächsten 2 wochen ma wieder auf montage bin und somit kaum zeit haben werde
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on February 01, 2004, 07:04:29 am: Geht mir genauso, ich muss fürs Abi arbeiten und noch ne Facharbeit schreiben, aber ich denke lieber irgendwann als nie. Und aus der Mode kommen wird Freespace schon nicht ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Darkilein on February 01, 2004, 07:05:29 am: ich wills hoffen :D
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Setekh on February 03, 2004, 08:22:18 am: So, the two of you finally met. It's cool to have a few Germans here at HLP. Welcome to the both of you. :nod:

:welcome:
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on February 03, 2004, 08:47:41 am: Well, I hope a third german will join us, he's a old friend of me and lived for some years in the US, so he speaks proper german and english, I hope he'll help us with the translation of the Revenge project :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Setekh on February 03, 2004, 09:01:17 am: Sweet. You guys should think of taking up some voice acting too, you know, German accents are really cool. ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on February 03, 2004, 09:11:09 am: Hehe, why not? :)

But the problem is, because of the mass of characters more than 15 different voices would be need *phew*
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: kasperl on February 03, 2004, 09:55:37 am: there are some sites out there that do voice acting for free, ask Stunaep
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Setekh on February 04, 2004, 08:09:33 am: Yeah, even ask around here. Heck, even I can voice act... not very well, but you know, I'm still a voice. ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Unknown Target on February 04, 2004, 10:12:47 am: I can do American, hehe :D
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mFuSE on August 27, 2004, 06:48:18 am: Quote
Yeah, I know, in some parts I really coded that mod very bad....excuse for this...

But I'd like to tell you one thing, some month ago I had my 19th birthday. I started workin for this mod in the middle of 2001, so I coded the mod when I was just 16 years old, day for day, I worked more than 5 houres a day, for over 11 month. And I made this mod allone...

So maybe you understand me if there some bugs in it

PS: Don't matter why the mod didn't get released until November 2002, after finishing I needed more than 4 months to tell to Gamestar about this mod, until they released it.

wow ... was man in diesem Forum so alles findet :eek2:
du bist also wirklich der macher dieser mod?

wirklich höchsten respekt dafür!
und überhaupt, das du die gamestar dazu gekriegt hast, den mod zu veröffentlichen
.. dafür das du alleine dastands sowas ist natürlich unglaublich schwer :sigh:

nun, da ich die gelegenheit habe, par sachen wollte ich doch gerne loswerden :-D

die campain ist ja allgemein recht schwer, aber par missionen kommen doch knüppeldick :-D
vor allem die hier:
http://mfuse.afc-clan.net/bilderarchiv/upload/revenge/besuch.jpg

... wissen die spieler welche gemeint ist? :-D
die kapermission ...
allein die idee, in der nähe eines neutronensterns würden die schilde versagen war ja genial .. und dann noch die passende umsetzung dazu ... wow!
..nur das machte die mission auch "a bissle" schwer :roll:

ehrlich gesagt .. ohne cheat habe ich des nicht geschaft das mir mein schiffchen heile bleibt ;)
http://mfuse.afc-clan.net/bilderarchiv/upload/revenge/mmbzzzzzt.jpg

und auch sonst, wie du das hingekriegt hast:
http://mfuse.afc-clan.net/bilderarchiv/upload/revenge/heimflug.jpg

..einfach nur wow :eek:

...danach viel mir aber dann doch noch ein bug auf:
und zwar die mission in der man auf die vasudaner trifft - und diese vernichten muss (musste das denn unbedingt sein? :-p) - ein schiff davon war unverwundbar .. und daher konnte ich gar nicht alle vernichten .. meine marco polo flog dann immer ins leere:
http://mfuse.afc-clan.net/bilderarchiv/upload/revenge/marco-polo-verwaist.jpg

..und wurde dann von ner supernova vernichtet (bzw von der "timeline ausradiert")

insgemsat gesehen, ein genial mod - umsomehr wenn die entsehungsgeschichte zutrifft :-D
..indem alter habe ich noch mit mspaint gespielt :sigh:

btw: i know this thread is old - but i have to take this opportunity and post some feedback to the maker of this mod ;-)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Gloriano on August 27, 2004, 06:58:20 am: :welcome:

mFuSE

:)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mFuSE on August 27, 2004, 07:02:04 am: hehe, thx :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on August 27, 2004, 07:16:52 am: Quote
Originally posted by mFuSE
btw: i know this thread is old - but i have to take this opportunity and post some feedback to the maker of this mod ;-)

No problem. I believe he is lurking about here on a newer thread though :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on August 27, 2004, 01:57:35 pm: Einmal in Deutsch:

Super vielen Dank für dein Mega Feedback! Freut mich echt sehr, dass es dir gefallen hat!

Hier kommt übrigens der Bonus, ich habe das bisher niemandem erzählt....aber....

Im Winter 2005 wird

REVENGE 2 - The dark AbyssREVENGE 2 - The dark Abyss

erscheinen! Vorbereitungen laufen! Ich hoffe, ich kann in ein paar Wochen den ersten Trailer veröffentlichen!

And here in English:

THX for the huge feedback, I'm very glad you liked it. And here comes a nice bonus, I've never made the announcment before, but now, I do it!

In december 2005...

REVENGE 2 - The dark Abyss

will be released by me! I'm allready preparing everything. Like the one before, I will be the sole worker on it. But I'll use some Inferno Ships therefore the GTVA has some new ships and enemys in the next centuries ;)

I hope, I can release a first trailer in the following weeks.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mFuSE on August 27, 2004, 02:09:38 pm: Quote
Originally posted by SFN-Darkwarrior
Einmal in Deutsch:

Super vielen Dank für dein Mega Feedback! Freut mich echt sehr, dass es dir gefallen hat!

Hier kommt übrigens der Bonus, ich habe das bisher niemandem erzählt....aber....

Im Winter 2005 wird

REVENGE 2 - The dark AbyssREVENGE 2 - The dark Abyss

uuu .. eine lange zeit, bin mir aber sicher, das wird es wert sein :D
vor allem jetzt mit der "neuen" freespac2 engine ... einfach wahnsinns was hier so geleistet wird ..
wäre übrigens ne gute gelegenheit den mod mit der mediavp 3.6 und stencilshadows neu zu spielen
(allerdings warte ich wohl aber lieber auf ne stable version ... du hast ja mit einigen missionen die engine richtig schön gestresst :D :D ... bei der stencilshadow version reicht level3 der hauptcampain ums prog die grätsche machen zu lassen :s (liegt wohl an der highres fenris :( .. und davon 2 stück :D)

btw: wie ist dein abi gelaufen? sollte ja schon vorbei sein :D

- ne englische variante lasse ich mal lieber ... man würde eh ein wörterbuch benötigen um es zu verstehen :D
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on August 27, 2004, 02:17:52 pm: Noch net ganz ;) Ich habe jetzt die Stufe 12 fertig, ein paar letzte Monate brauche ich noch, danach bin ich fertig. denke aber, es wird nen 2,0 Schnitt werden.

Mehr Probleme mache ich mir darum, eine Ausbildung zu finden... :-/
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TopAce on August 27, 2004, 02:19:00 pm: Ich bin not gut at Deutsch, so ich would sprachen in Englisch:

:welcome:

The exits are to your left and right. Flamethrowers are under your seats, but they are sometimes filled with water. If this occurs, please check the lockers for the old shotguns.
Stay away from the admin's weapon lockers and the air vents. If you see a large, insectoid-looking creature inhabiting the latter, throw him a large piece of meat (preferably not yourself), and he will leave you alone.
Thank you and have a nice day!
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mFuSE on August 27, 2004, 02:37:22 pm: Quote
Originally posted by SFN-Darkwarrior
Noch net ganz ;) Ich habe jetzt die Stufe 12 fertig, ein paar letzte Monate brauche ich noch, danach bin ich fertig. denke aber, es wird nen 2,0 Schnitt werden.

Mehr Probleme mache ich mir darum, eine Ausbildung zu finden... :-/

hehe- fein fein!
... nun .. geh studieren :D
..so mache ich es grade .. und ist wohl angesichts der desalaten lage das "langzeit" sicherste (selbst wenn du jetzt nen job für 10 jahre findest ... mit 30 als unausgebildeter findest du dann nix mehr .. und dann wird studieren schwer wenn du solange aus der materie draußen bist)

@TopAce
löööl! (=loool) :D

ok, i'll try in english now .... but i have to warn you ... my english is even more worse then daniel K. new kinofilm :D
(ich hoffe, ich habe jetzt niemanden beleidigt? ;) (i hope there are no fans of daniel k. around here :D)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on August 27, 2004, 03:10:17 pm: @mFuSE: Ich will ein Studium ja keinesfalls ablehnen, aber ich so verdammt hinter einem BA Studium hinterher ;) Will ja unbedingt Diplom-Betriebswirt werden.

Ansonsten will ich Bankkaufmann machen und danach studieren gehen. Studium total ohne Praxis werde ich notgedrungen auch machen, aber erstmal gucken was geht ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Deepstar on August 29, 2004, 03:32:25 am: I translated Revenge FC to 57 Missions atm. Have bugfixed many tables, missions, and edit the VP File contents, so this Mod is 50 percent smaller (only ~1 MB) and you don't need to overwrite the root_fs2.vp and i correct a few things to work perfectly with FS2 Open Features.

In the Test of the 57 Missions FS2 make often a CTD without any reason and without any error message :confused: .

I hope i can finished it on 15th September.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on August 29, 2004, 05:02:54 am: Well, i would help with the translation, but im not that good at FREDing, and i use translating software to convert german to english and vise versa. Sometimes it isnt very accurate, due to mispelt german, etc...

so yeah.........good luck.........
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TopAce on August 29, 2004, 06:01:16 am: You should also give the translated missions to a native English to fix the grammar and spelling mistakes. Am I right or is it only my mania?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: FreeTerran on August 29, 2004, 06:42:16 am: SFN-Darkwarrior if you need any help talk to me ;)

@SFN-Darkwarrior & mFuSE:
vergesst nich das is ein englisch sprachiges forum :P
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on August 29, 2004, 07:32:18 am: Hm, FreeTerran, kannst Du mit den ganzen 3D-Programm zum Schiffe erstellen umgehen?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TopAce on August 29, 2004, 07:32:18 am: Quote
vergesst nich das is ein englisch sprachiges forum :P

Let me guess ... that means 'This is an English-speaking in the forum.' Am I right? :D
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: SFN-Darkwarrior on August 29, 2004, 07:33:44 am: @TopAce:

Yes you're absolutly right! :D

Edit: But never mind, it's just a normal german forums-invasion ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TopAce on August 29, 2004, 07:36:31 am: I think I wasn't bad. I learnt German only for two weeks, then I switched to Italian.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: FreeTerran on August 29, 2004, 09:13:23 am: Quote
Originally posted by SFN-Darkwarrior
Hm, FreeTerran, kannst Du mit den ganzen 3D-Programm zum Schiffe erstellen umgehen?

ne aber tables schreiben, bissl programmiern, interface und schiffe texturieren :nervous:

edit: achja und rendern ^^

the german invasion has just started :P
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mFuSE on August 29, 2004, 12:22:49 pm: Quote
Originally posted by SFN-Darkwarrior
@mFuSE: Ich will ein Studium ja keinesfalls ablehnen, aber ich so verdammt hinter einem BA Studium hinterher ;-) Will ja unbedingt Diplom-Betriebswirt werden.

Ansonsten will ich Bankkaufmann machen und danach studieren gehen. Studium total ohne Praxis werde ich notgedrungen auch machen, aber erstmal gucken was geht ;-)

jau, das was du vorhast ist richtig vernüftig! :eek2:
..ich saß nachm zivieldienst erstmal ein halbes jahr lang rum ... und überlegte was ich tun soll ....

@FreeTerran
ok ok .... ich will try it now (http://www.afc-clan.net/forum/images/smiles/rcain.gif)
..aber erstmal frühstücken :D

Quote
Originally posted by Deepstar
I translated Revenge FC to 57 Missions atm. Have bugfixed many tables, missions, and edit the VP File contents, so this Mod is 50 percent smaller (only ~1 MB) and you don't need to overwrite the root_fs2.vp and i correct a few things to work perfectly with FS2 Open Features.

In the Test of the 57 Missions FS2 make often a CTD without any reason and without any error message :confused: .

I hope i can finished it on 15th September.

wuuu :eek:
thats great!
i'd love to see how that mod would look with all that new stuff

..but .. i see here a problem :D

i have a ctd in the third (3te) mission of the maincampain .. i think the high-res fenris is the problem .. and so every mission with more than one of them (so some mission in Revenge Final Conflict will be a REAL problem :D)

i dont know were the problem is, maybe memory ussage?
i only know - someone has to fix it :D .... and i hope someone can read what i wrote with my very bad school english :D

btw: someone has to "fix the feature" of limiting the images included in a posting :D
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Deepstar on August 29, 2004, 04:14:19 pm: I think thats a Problem with the Memory, too. After a few Missions i have always white plates on the a few ships (like the White Planet Placeholder) thats dropping my FPS to ~5 within the Mission, and the Game become unplayable. Only a reboot can fix this problem. i have often this problem with the Crash within the Mission when a new Ship arrive. But i think thats a Problem within SCP and not of the Mod. (Because i have this Problem in the third Mission of Causaulties of War, too) So you must deactivate FSO Features for a few Missions or you must play Vanilla FS2.

I hope this problem was fixed by someone, soon.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mitac on November 22, 2004, 08:45:11 am: Sorry for digging out this old thread, but I discovered it when I was looking for information on this campaign. Are you guys (Deepstar?) still busy working over the missions, including translation? I could offer my help on the last part, and probably have a look at the writing of some missions, too - not the worst place to start this. :)

Please let me know. Perhaps via PM, so we won't be bothering folks here any more.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 13, 2005, 05:22:27 pm: Another one digging out this thread, but its the newest one i found regarding RFC.

I really love this mod and its very nice story, but ive got a question. Is there a way to get RFC working with the newest SCP-build? I really would enjoy this mod with the enhanced graphics, the mod wont work with mv_effects and mv_adveffects...

Can anybody help?:nervous:
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 13, 2005, 05:27:13 pm: It's probably having problems with the .tbl files. What error does it give you?

:welcome: BTW
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 13, 2005, 05:34:36 pm: Wow, fast reply^^...

Theres no error message. If i start the second chapter with those two mv-files, there are no primary weapons in my Erinyes installed and in the left list all weapons from the mod (like the Blackstar) are missing too. If i start the mission then the Malovolence wont fire its main beam cannons, i think cause they are modded versions of beam cannons. Some AAA-beams are working, though.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mitac on January 13, 2005, 05:37:14 pm: Try making a new pilot, that often helps.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 13, 2005, 05:46:46 pm: Yeah, i know, but not this time...tried it out. :(
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 13, 2005, 05:59:47 pm: That's rather strange. The revenge .tbl file should take precidence over those two. Unless.....

Are you playing RFC using the -mod option? Or have you got the RFC VP file in your main FS2 folder?

What I suspect you'll need to do is update the .tbl file yourself. This isn't too hard a prospect but is boring and time consuming enough that you won't be pursuading me to do it :D

If that is the problem I'll talk you through it though :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 13, 2005, 06:44:36 pm: Ok, something to say first:

If i make a special folder for RFC (with its vp-file and data/missions/"all missions-files"-folder in it) and select this folder in the launcher, the mod isnt even recognized by the game, i dont see any chapters from RFC in the campaign menu.

I have no tbl-files in the data/tables-folder.

So i copied the vp from revenge over the original one and named it fs2_root.vp and all missions are in the missions-folder. If i do it this way, without any additional mv-files for SCP, then i see the weapons from RFC ingame, but they are all set to zero, i cant install them in my fighter.

Anyway, i would appreciate your help^^...
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 13, 2005, 08:11:15 pm: Do you guys need any help with mission translations?

Oh, and i think that you should translate the campaign first, then try to get it to work with the SCP.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: StratComm on January 13, 2005, 09:25:49 pm: Vulture, if you just move the missions, you won't get the campaigns and the missions will be available in the techroom. If that's the case, you missed the campaign files, which dictate mission flow and cutscenes.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 14, 2005, 02:30:51 am: Quote
Originally posted by -Vulture-
Ok, something to say first:

If i make a special folder for RFC (with its vp-file and data/missions/"all missions-files"-folder in it) and select this folder in the launcher, the mod isnt even recognized by the game, i dont see any chapters from RFC in the campaign menu.

I have no tbl-files in the data/tables-folder.

So i copied the vp from revenge over the original one and named it fs2_root.vp and all missions are in the missions-folder. If i do it this way, without any additional mv-files for SCP, then i see the weapons from RFC ingame, but they are all set to zero, i cant install them in my fighter.

Anyway, i would appreciate your help^^...

Hmmm. You're definately not going about this the right way. You should never copy over the root.vp unless you are absolutely sure that your VP replaces all of its functions.

To install a mod under SCP you should do this.

Make a nw folder called RevengeFinalConfilct (Do NOT include spaces or hyphens in that!).
Place the revenge final conflict vp in there.
Put the root_FS2.vp back where you found it (if you don't have a copy anymore I have one that can be found here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/Downloads/root_fs2.rar) ).
Run the SCP launcher and click on the features tab.
Click on select mod then click on the RevengeFinalConfilct folder. Click OK.
Run the game.

That should at least get the game to work again. Once you've done that I'll tell you how to alter the tables :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 14, 2005, 09:40:47 am: Quote
If i make a special folder for RFC (with its vp-file and data/missions/"all missions-files"-folder in it) and select this folder in the launcher, the mod isnt even recognized by the game, i dont see any chapters from RFC in the campaign menu.

@ karajorma: Read this again, thats exactly what i have done...but i didnt know, that the launcher doesnt like hyphens too...My folder was called "RFC-German". And you see, theres a hyphen in it...damnit...

Ok, now i see the three campaign parts in the campaign menu with all additional mv-files for the SCP. But f.e. in the first mission of the third campain i see all new weapons from FC in the left menu, but they are all set to zero, i cant use them. And when i select the ships-selection-screen, the game crashes to desktop. The missions are working fine.

@ StratComm: I didnt forgot the fc2-files...but anyway, this particular problem is solved now^^...

EDIT:

I just tried a fresh install of FS2 only with standard SCP-files and RFC. It works now, now i only have to see, which other mod was causing the problem in my prior install.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 14, 2005, 12:01:24 pm: What I didn't make clear is that the RevengeFinalConflict folder has to be in your main Freespace2 folder. Putting it as a subfolder of data/missions isn't the correct way to do it :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 14, 2005, 01:20:25 pm: I know that^^. Now i have a special folder called "mods" where all campaigns and mods go in. Works fine now, dont know whats caused the problem. Maybe it was another vp-file in my main FS2-folder...
Now i keep everything sorted and clear, so that something like this wont happen again.
Anyway, thanks for your help!
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on January 14, 2005, 01:43:52 pm: I wouldn't do things that way. Make a different folder for each mod :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 14, 2005, 01:57:32 pm: Damnit, i do^^. I have a mods-folder where all mods go into, but of course each mod has its own sub-folder in this mod-folder!:rolleyes: I hope you got it now. ;7 ;) ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 26, 2005, 06:52:22 pm: @ Cobra:

Ok uhm let me remember...88 missions are a lot of space for bugs^^.

In the first mission, the the cruiser jumping in is too far away from the jump node...
Then in mission 58, after the lucifer appears, it destroys the Andro-Terran station but then fires on the malovolence with its main weapons. Of course the corvette gets blasted away in some shot and the mission is lost. You cant do anything against it, cause the lucifer has its shield. So it would be better, if the lucifer fires its primaries at the Marco Polo.
Then in mission 36, where you fly the maras in the nebula, one hygeia, or however those supporters are written ( ;) ), should dock your ship and fly with it to specific coordinates. The Bug is, it docks with my mara, but doesnt fly away with it^^. I see my two wingmen flying away, they're also docked with supporters. But mine wont fly^^. But as i remember correctly...as i played this campaign the first time without SCP, this bug wasnt present.
Then there are those two missions, 25 and 59. They just quit after a certain amount of time. In 25 after some minutes and in 59 when the "Omega-Phase" is about to start. Just a CTD and i dont know whats going on. Maybe too much action around, but my system is anything else, but not weak, it should be able to handle those missions.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: MatthewPapa on January 26, 2005, 07:09:38 pm: So ist was der gegenwärtige Status dieser Kampagne? 88 Missionen Töne recht interessant zu mir (ich scheine wiequantität
Überqualität irgendwie). Ich kann in der LageSEIN, bei etwas von der Übersetzung zu helfen,
obwohl mein Deutsch schwach ist. Ich kann Ihnen etwas webspace geben auch, wenn Sie einiges...
benötigen Lassen Sie mich einfach wissen.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Cobra on January 26, 2005, 08:39:32 pm: OK, matt. translate.

@ -Vulture- I'll get to work on those missions after I'm done with my FA missions.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 27, 2005, 09:36:56 am: Quote
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
So ist was der gegenwärtige Status dieser Kampagne? 88 Missionen Töne recht interessant zu mir (ich scheine wiequantität
Überqualität irgendwie). Ich kann in der LageSEIN, bei etwas von der Übersetzung zu helfen,
obwohl mein Deutsch schwach ist. Ich kann Ihnen etwas webspace geben auch, wenn Sie einiges...
benötigen Lassen Sie mich einfach wissen.

Hehe, not bad^^. But im not translating it, we just wan to fix some bugs. I dont have the time for translating, cause im working on a database for Nexus - The Jupiter Incident (sleeper-hit!).

@ Cobra:

Ok, thats very nice.:yes:
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Cobra on January 27, 2005, 01:59:26 pm: eh? what are you talking about?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 27, 2005, 02:30:10 pm: Hm?:wtf: I just told MatthewPapa, that i dont have time to work on a translation from RFC, and i said, that youll fix those mission bugs i told you. Whats up?^^
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 27, 2005, 02:43:29 pm: Well if Pathways doesnt work out or Im not doing anything, then I'll be able to contribute time to help translate the campaign. I may need some help translating mispelt german words, though.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 29, 2005, 05:56:46 pm: If there are some words you cant translate, post them here, ill help you.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TrashMan on January 29, 2005, 06:16:34 pm: Quote
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
So ist was der gegenwärtige Status dieser Kampagne? 88 Missionen Töne recht interessant zu mir (ich scheine wiequantität
Überqualität irgendwie). Ich kann in der LageSEIN, bei etwas von der Übersetzung zu helfen,
obwohl mein Deutsch schwach ist. Ich kann Ihnen etwas webspace geben auch, wenn Sie einiges...
benötigen Lassen Sie mich einfach wissen.

Lot's of grammar errors here...
It should go something like this:

Was ist der gegenwartige Status dieser Kampagne?
88 missionen horen sich recht interresant (Ich bevorzuge quantitat uber qualitat irgendwie).
THIS ONE IS OK
wemm sie ein eigenes benotigen...

not bad...
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 29, 2005, 08:36:56 pm: doesnt look like Pathways is going to last long, and if it does im only a beta tester.

do you want me to start the translation? And where should i start translating from (mission 1?)?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Cobra on January 29, 2005, 08:55:07 pm: hey, pilot. you're giving up on Pathways to soon. we just had a rocky start, and we're still in the rocky part.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 29, 2005, 09:00:18 pm: No im not giving up on it (i really dont want to see the campaign die), im just waiting for people to get their missions ready for beta testing. Also has the Game Warden forums gone down? because i cant seem to get to it.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 30, 2005, 06:41:13 am: Ok, ive almost got mission 1 translanted but i need some help with translating the following lines:

Greifen sie im Notfall die Hammer of Light an und jagen sie sie vom Konvoi fort. In einer Hinsicht müssen wir sie jedoch warnen, Commander Rendendt: passen sie unbedingt auf die Aten-Kreuzer der HoL auf. Der Feind besitzt immer noch dutzende dieser veralteten Schiffe, jedoch hat man sie verändert. Die HoL hat die meisten Systeme entfernt und grosse Reaktoren eingebaut. Diese Schiffe sind zwar nach wie vor schutzlos, doch haben sie nun fast alle ein oder zwei grosse Strahlkanonen. Ein Kreuzer kann somit den ganzen Konvoi zerstören. Passen sie also gut auf.

Ihr erster Einsatz auf der Titan ist vorbei. Während Ihrer Arbeit auf der Titan werden ihre Missionsberichte bitte zuerst bei mir, Missionsprotokolant Hendriks, abgegeben. Ich werde mir ihre Einsätze ansehen, beurteilen und registrieren.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mFuSE on January 30, 2005, 11:29:08 am: whichs lines do you dont understand?

i think, it would be better, if you dont translate them 1to1 ... a bit of variation would be good, because thats not sooo perfect german ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 30, 2005, 11:35:54 am: Ok, should be like this:

In case of necessity attack the Hammer of Light and drive them away from the convoi. But you need to be careful: Take a look at the old Aten-cruiser from the HoL. The enemy still has dozens of those ships, but they have been modified. The HoL has removed most of the systems and installed bigger reactors. Their armor is still weak, but nearly all own one or two bigger beam cannons. So one of those cruisers can easily blast the whole convoi into pieces, so be careful.

Your first mission onboard the Titan is over. During your work here, you have to deliver your mission reports first to me, "mission protocol-manager" Hendriks. I will then check, rate and register them.

@ mFuSe: It is good german, no errors inside his text^^.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mFuSE on January 30, 2005, 11:46:41 am: also auf deutsch ;)
denn mein englisch ist schlecht das es kracht :D
meinte auch net Grammatik oder Rechtschreibung

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Der Feind besitzt immer noch dutzende dieser veralteten Schiffe, jedoch hat man sie verändert. Die HoL hat die meisten Systeme entfernt und grosse Reaktoren eingebaut. Diese Schiffe sind zwar nach wie vor schutzlos, doch haben sie nun fast alle ein oder zwei grosse Strahlkanonen. Ein Kreuzer kann somit den ganzen Konvoi zerstören. Passen sie also gut auf.

also der erste Satz klingt etwas "hölzern"
vor allem ingame sollte man nicht ellenlange texte lesen ,daher könnte man das etwas abkürzen ;)

z.b.
Der Feind besitzt noch viele Schiffe der alten Athen Klasse, modernisiert mit starken neuen Reaktoren und 2 Strahlkanonen.
Die Panzerung wurde jedoch außer acht gelassen und so sind sie immer noch leicht verwundbar.

im original klingt das "zwar nach wie vor schutzlos" und dann das "Ein Kreuzer kann somit den ganzen Konvoi zerstören" irgendwie gegensätzlich, daher sollte man das anpassen ;)

MfG mFuSE
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 30, 2005, 12:33:14 pm: Achso, naja, es geht schon. Ich mag es auch net, wenn bei einer Missionsbeschreibung nur 2 oder 3 Sätze drunter stehen. Ist mir zu wenig, kommt aber leider in Revenge auch manchmal vor.^^
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mitac on January 30, 2005, 12:36:38 pm: Ich bin hoffnungsvoll dass ihr das ändern könnt. ;)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 30, 2005, 12:43:54 pm: Naja, bei manchen Missionen muss man halt leider nicht viel dazu sagen*gg*...und außerdem wollen wir ja die Deutsche ins Englische übersetzen, net die Deutsche verbessern^^... :)
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mitac on January 30, 2005, 12:48:53 pm: Nun, aber es bietet sich schon an, oder? Die Qualität steigt und fällt auch mit den (De-)Briefings. Und bei dem, was ich bisher von RFC sah, besteht da durchaus Bedarf - zumindest auf mich wirkte es streckenweise arg abschreckend.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 30, 2005, 12:53:54 pm: Naja, manchmal ja, aber einige Leutz hier wollen das Teil auf englisch, darum hat das ja erstmal Prio 1 denke ich. Aber an den Stellen, wo es wichtig ist, steht wahrlich genug Text^^...gerade zum Schluss hin.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Cobra on January 30, 2005, 01:37:35 pm: you guys are giving me a migrain with all that German... but it's giving me a chance to learn it.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 30, 2005, 01:45:15 pm: @mFuSE - im not translating them 1to1. I am actually giving it quite alot of variartion, but it still basically means the same as what it says in german.

And ive completed translating mission 1. Ive started mission 2 and almost finished it, and i need to know what the following words mean - schnellstmöglichst, Eleminieren, Lazaretschiff, vohanden, Geschader, Feuerleitzentrale,

Ich bin schon unterwegs, Sie könnten mir aber ruhig zur Hand gehen, John...

Also, der Feind ist da, worauf warten wie noch?

Hier Zerstörer Titan, erreichen das Frachtdepot. Feuerleitzentrale: Buggeschütz auf den Kreuzer ausrichten und Feuern!
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TrashMan on January 30, 2005, 04:20:21 pm: Quote
Originally posted by -Vulture-
Ok, should be like this:

In case of necessity attack the Hammer of Light and drive them away from the convoi. But you need to be careful: Take a look at the old Aten-cruiser from the HoL. The enemy still has dozens of those ships, but they have been modified. The HoL has removed most of the systems and installed bigger reactors. Their armor is still weak, but nearly all own one or two bigger beam cannons. So one of those cruisers can easily blast the whole convoi into pieces, so be careful.

Your first mission onboard the Titan is over. During your work here, you have to deliver your mission reports first to me, "mission protocol-manager" Hendriks. I will then check, rate and register them.

@ mFuSe: It is good german, no errors inside his text^^.

Lemme see...first sentance is O.K.
then it should go like this:

In a way I must warn you Commander Renent: pay special attention to the Aten cruisers of the HOL. The enemy still has dozens of those old ship, but they have been modified.
Next one is OK..and then:

Alltough this ships are just as poorly defended as before, allmost all of them have one or two large beam cannons.
the reast is OK
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TrashMan on January 30, 2005, 04:23:08 pm: schnellstmöglichst - as fast as possible
Eleminieren - eliminate
Lazaretschiff - erm...Looks like Lazaret's ship..
vohanden - available
Geschader (should be geschwader) - squadron
Feuerleitzentrale - gunnery control

*Not bad for someone who learned german watching TV?:D*
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mitac on January 30, 2005, 04:56:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TrashMan
Lazaretschiff - erm...Looks like Lazaret's ship..

"medical ship" is better. Lazarett translates as "military hospital".

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*Not bad for someone who learned german watching TV?:D*

Indeed. :yes:
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 30, 2005, 06:20:52 pm: @ Trashman:

Yeah, my first try was a bit too free i think. Your's better. Sometimes the right words just dont come into my mind*g* ;)...

and...

vo[r]handen - available

The rest is perfect.^^
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TrashMan on January 30, 2005, 06:33:26 pm: Meh... I just used copy/paste for the words that needed
translation. I didn't even notice the error in vorhanden..

Actually, I consider english and german allmost my native languages. Guess when you spend years watching foreign channels you can master a language perfectly.
Too bad I forgot so much italian (shows became crappy, so I switched to german channels)

That reminds me.. I downloaded RFC days ago..should give it a try allready:D
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 30, 2005, 06:38:18 pm: Hehe, what a performance, learning those languages just from foreign TV-channels, really impressing.^^

And hell yeah, give it a try!^^. The Malovolence is my favoured ship in the campaign. Damnit in the first mission of the third chapter this ships packs such a huge punch^^...
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 31, 2005, 12:05:38 am: Ok, what do these sentenses say?

Ich bin schon unterwegs, Sie könnten mir aber ruhig zur Hand gehen, John...

Also, der Feind ist da, worauf warten wie noch?

Also didnt Deepspacer translate this campaign up to misison 57?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: mitac on January 31, 2005, 03:46:49 am: "I'm on my way, but you could lend me a hand, John."

"Well, the enemy is here. What are we waiting for?"

There's been someone working on the translation, I remember that. Don't know what happened to that project, though.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 31, 2005, 06:23:35 am: Yeah, never saw him again in this thread...

To your translation: Maybe an "already" after "I'm" should be added. The rest is fine.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 31, 2005, 06:46:41 am: It would really help if Deepstar had already translated the campaign up to mission 57. That'd make my job alot easier, only about 30 missions to translate instead of 88.

Anyway i've done mission 2. Ill start mission 3 soon. Ive got school, beta testing and im working on my very own model, so it's gonna take long time to fully translate this campaign.

Also i was wondering how many missions are there per chapter ( i know there is 3 chapters but are the missions evenly divided) Because this way i could release the translated version of this campaign by chapter instead of waiting for me to translate the entire campaign.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 31, 2005, 08:47:13 am: The second chapter starts from mission 32, the third from mission 61.

Regarding Deepstar: Maybe we should contact him and ask him how far he has come with his translation...

His profile: http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1821
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Cobra on January 31, 2005, 01:01:01 pm: i just contacted him.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on January 31, 2005, 06:24:06 pm: K, lets hope he still has the translations on his PC. *hopes*
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on January 31, 2005, 11:24:52 pm: yeah i hope he does. I'll put the translation of mission 3 on hold, until Deepstar replies. (going to work on my model in the meantime :D:D:D )
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Cobra on January 31, 2005, 11:55:53 pm: i wonder how far deepstar has gotten with his trnaslations...
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: -Vulture- on February 01, 2005, 07:14:05 am: If he continued to translate...im not sure about that. He never posted again here...
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on February 01, 2005, 08:01:58 am: Well ill wait about half a month or until i finish my model/beta testing, before i start translating again. Just to give Deepstar time to reply.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: neolex on July 15, 2005, 09:42:51 am: Hi Guys,

Is there any translation going on this project?

I can help out with translation. I know very basic german, so I cant carry the project, or translate huge volumes, but I can do several missions.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Pilot Of The US on July 16, 2005, 07:26:04 pm: hmmm, i think this may be dead..... or maybe not.

I do recall chaptar 1 as being completed/close to completion :confused:
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: TopAce on July 17, 2005, 10:29:33 am: Maybe not. Translating 90 missions is no easy task.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Boomer on July 19, 2005, 12:46:15 pm: Hey, you guys know that the English version download link is broken right?

Oh, and Sieg Zum Vaterland!

BTW, that's the only german I know thanks to a friend of mine, 22 of his buddies, a VW Beetle, and a whole lot of alcohol.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: n00by on August 10, 2005, 10:23:59 am: Well...the german link works - but I have a problem with the campaign, nevertheless.

The new ships and weapons won't load. I can fly the missions, but the ships and weapons don't appear. Currently, I'm at the mission where the Marco Polo is supposed to appear the first time - the only thing jumping in is - you guessed it - an Ulysses fighter.

edit: This is the error I'm getting:

Error: Invalid ship class name.

In sexpression: ( when
( has-arrived-delay
5
"GTVA Marco Polo"
)
( allow-ship "GTVA Marco Polo" )
)
(Error appears to be: GTVA Marco Polo)
File:E:\Languages\Visual Studio Projects\Visual C++\fs2_open\code\Mission\MissionParse.cpp
Line: 4517

Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------

I do not have any altered tables/MODs in my FS2 directory and I followed the instructions step by step. I'm using SCP; running it with Goobers 20050728 build and 3.6.6 media *.vps.

Could anyone help me with this one? I'd appreciate that...

Oh, and about translations - I could do them, too, though it would be not really fast (a.k.a. rather slow), as I have lots of things going on - but I might try, if there is any work left.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: MicroPsycho on August 10, 2005, 07:17:20 pm: heh...sexpression

Maybe "marco polo" can't have a space in it?
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on August 11, 2005, 03:06:39 am: That should be fine.

This looks like yet another case of someone having a rogue table present. :sigh:

My FAQ has a guide on how to deal with those in the FS2 technical section.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: n00by on August 11, 2005, 02:09:56 pm: Well...read it, there were no stray *.tbl files there. Also checked it for stray *.vps, but there were none.

Unfortunately, I'm still getting the same error...
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: karajorma on August 11, 2005, 02:47:01 pm: If you don't have a stray then the only explaination is that you don't have the right table in the first place.

Download the version from the other language if you can and swap tables.
Title: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: n00by on August 15, 2005, 06:02:38 pm: Okay, I would have tried that if my system hadn't went down on sunday. I'll try it again as soon as I have my Freespace and SCP files back.

Thanks for helping!
Title: Re: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: NapalmOma on December 22, 2005, 03:41:45 pm: Still any progress here?
Or can you tell me where to get the fixed version?
Title: Re: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Fina
Post by: Taristin on December 24, 2005, 10:22:53 pm: It'd be quicker if you all learned German.
Title: Re: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: NapalmOma on December 25, 2005, 06:37:00 am: That is not the problem because I am a German native speaker.

I just wondered where to get the mentioned "fixed" version that doesn´t need a changed root_fs2.vp. All the links in here seem to be dead. Perhaps someone knows where to get it?
Title: Re: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: DarkShadow- on July 13, 2006, 11:30:16 am: Sorry for reviving this thread.

I'm searching for the Revenge - Final Conflict mod. Didn't find any working links in any thread concerning this mod or via google. I would prefer a link to the german version of this campaign, but the translated english version should also do. Thx if advance if anyone finds one.
Title: Re: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Sarafan on July 13, 2006, 12:15:20 pm: Begin plasma core insertion, gunnery control, open fire:

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3808/welcome2hlpbb4xp.gif) (http://imageshack.us)

Welcome to HLP. Please keep all appendages within the installation at all times. Flamethrowers are located underneath all seats, however, due to the rising cost of oil, the ID / evolution debate (don't debate me on Whether or not there is a debate),V, and the meaning of life, the napalm has been replaced with Holy Water. Plasma rifles are located in the weapons locker, but only Admins,V, or a hyper-intelligent shade of blue have access to these areas. If you meet a Shivan in the ductwork it is most likely Carl, give him your lunch and back away slowly, odds are good you'll be fine. Recommend reading includes Karajorma's Freespace FAQ for general questions, and The Freespace Wiki for specific issues and questions.

5 kills. :)
Title: Re: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: Mehrpack on July 13, 2006, 12:24:06 pm: hi,
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,38610.0.html

Mehrpack
Title: Re: Need information about Freespace2 Revenge Final Conflict
Post by: DarkShadow- on July 17, 2006, 05:37:41 am: Thx a lot.

@Sarafan: 5 kills? Hey, I'm one target, that's collateral damage :P