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Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: J3Vr6 on January 23, 2004, 10:15:38 am
I was never a big Flash comic book fan.  I used to watch the syndicated live-action tv show they had like 12 years ago, but I really don't know too much about this hero.  All I know, from looking online and from that tv show is that the guy got hit by lightning in some lab and his metabolism shot thru the roof.  His body reacts and moves at a pace zillion times faster than a normal person, which lets him go supersonic.  I can imagine that he must see the world as really really slow to him and must cost him a lot of effort to act "normal" when he's 'mild-mannered' whoever.

Anyway, I was watching that Justice League on Cartoon network the other day when some villain put a rather big object infront of the Flash when he was going probably 300 miles an hour.  And that gave birth to my query.

Doesn't the law of gravity and physics apply to the Flash?  Are his bones made of steel or something stronger?  Are his muscles indestructable?  Anything that's going 300 miles an hour (or more) and goes into an unmovable object is going to get squished.
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: karajorma on January 23, 2004, 10:37:51 am
The strange logic of comic book superheroes. Not worth bothering with unless you'd rather explain why superman doesn't kill Lois Lane when he has sex with her :D
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: ZylonBane on January 23, 2004, 10:49:14 am
Funny you should mention that--
Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex (http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html)
(by the inimitable Larry Niven)
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: J3Vr6 on January 23, 2004, 10:57:06 am
Well Superman can control his strength just like anyone can.  So it could be possible to be able to use a fraction of his strength to do tasks such as stapling, opening a door, or doing the nasty.  Just like we don't use the same strength if we're picking up a piece of paper or a 10 pound paper weight.

But the flash?  C'mon, he should be made all gooey running into something.  Or the time someone put a leg out and tripped him.  Wouldn't his legs be torn off?
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Carl on January 23, 2004, 03:33:09 pm
flash is obviously stronger than most humans, otherwise his muscles couldn't pull him along the ground as fast as they do, regardless of his metabolism. he has also demestrated the ability to throw things like pebbles at bullet-like speeds. they would most certainly rip through his hand while throwing them unless he had superhuman durability.
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: karajorma on January 23, 2004, 04:31:58 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Funny you should mention that--
Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex (http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html)
(by the inimitable Larry Niven)


Where do you think I got the idea from? :D I'm a big Larry Niven fan. I didn't know there was a version on the web though. I'll have to bookmark that and send it to friends who haven't read N-Space. :)

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Originally posted by J3Vr6
Well Superman can control his strength just like anyone can.  So it could be possible to be able to use a fraction of his strength to do tasks such as stapling, opening a door, or doing the nasty.  Just like we don't use the same strength if we're picking up a piece of paper or a 10 pound paper weight.


Have a look at ZB's link. There are certain muscle contractions he couldn't control :D
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Carl on January 23, 2004, 04:44:51 pm
that's why he would in such a position that he wouldn't cause harm a.k.a. not holding her, but lying straight.
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: karajorma on January 23, 2004, 04:47:50 pm
Still wouldn't protect LL from the effects of one particular contraction :D
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: J3Vr6 on January 23, 2004, 04:52:18 pm
He'd have to resort to the pull-out method, which teens swear by to prevent pregnancy (which doesn't work btw).
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Carl on January 23, 2004, 04:55:08 pm
that particular contraction wouldn't use all of the the muscle available. i'm pretty sure it doesn't in humans.

one solution would be to use up most of his stored solar power during the night.

he probably just asked spidey how he does it. we know he has, since MJ was pregnant once. (RIP May Parker)
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Liberator on January 23, 2004, 05:12:49 pm
Okay, as a former reader of The Flash I'll set things straight.

Wally West was a forensic scientist in the employ of the Central City Police Department.  His uncle Barry, who was also a forensic scientist, was the Flash of the mid-to-late 80's.

One day, Wally was visiting Barry at the lab.  Wally had discovered his uncle's secret ID in some previous story arc.  Anyway, Wally asked Barry to show him how he became the Flash, so Barry, being a kind uncle, set up the experiment that had resulted in his being the Flash.  When Barry ran the experiment, lightning crashed out of a clear blue sky, striking the experiment stand and Wally.  Thus was born Kid Flash(don't ask).

Barry took Wally on as his sidekick to teach him how to use his powers and they had many exciting adventures.

Ultimately, in one of the first crossover events ever, Barry was killed in action saving the universe.

Wally reverently took up the mantle of The Fastest Man Alive in honor of his uncle.

Wally, and all the other speedsters of the DC universe, take their power from an extra dimensional enery field they call the Speed Force.

Besides the ability to run at speeds surpassing the speed of light, Wally's connection to the Speed Force allows him to increase his molecular vibration, allowing him to pass, unhindered, through most solid objects,  generate a suit composed of pure Speed Force energy, thus nearly frictionless.  Because of his great speed, Wally can also appear to "walk on water" by moving so fast over the surface that the surface tension is never broken.  

Wally also has other powers derived from speed, but I can't remember any more because it's been a couple of years since I read any copies of the Flash.
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Setekh on January 23, 2004, 08:29:43 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
Wally's connection to the Speed Force


So, the Flash is a Jedi?
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Carl on January 23, 2004, 08:40:39 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
a suit composed of pure Speed Force energy, thus nearly frictionless.


kinda hard to run then, huh?
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: neo_hermes on January 23, 2004, 09:06:14 pm
Didn't the flash also have kids
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Liberator on January 23, 2004, 09:10:43 pm
No.

Carl, it's comic book physics, he can run if the writer/creator says he can.
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Carl on January 23, 2004, 09:57:46 pm
No, he can't.
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Bobboau on January 23, 2004, 11:42:05 pm
why not test the theory
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: StratComm on January 24, 2004, 12:19:46 am
Liberator is right, though his explanation is far more elaborate than the common interpretation.  The Flash essentially vibrates through things.  Not that it makes any sense whatsoever, but that's why you had comic books.  Sort of hard to do that sort of thing in live action without looking REALLY cheezy (at least in the hayday of comic books).
Title: The Flash? Indestructable?
Post by: Bobboau on January 24, 2004, 12:57:56 am
if these explainations seem rediculus
remember there called comic books