Post by: Corsair on February 03, 2004, 05:30:13 pm
:D
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Post by: karajorma on February 03, 2004, 06:11:35 pm
At least the hippies stayed true to what they believed in.
Post by: Thorn on February 03, 2004, 06:12:38 pm
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Post by: phreak on February 03, 2004, 06:29:53 pm
i want to see how my new tires work going over flesh and bone
Post by: Liberator on February 03, 2004, 06:37:44 pm
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Post by: Thorn on February 03, 2004, 06:41:04 pm
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which reminds me. i had a hippie teacher once as a substitute since our normal one was out of town. she wouldn't tell us where to get killer weed. bummer
Hahaha! One of my teachers SOLD me weed before.... It was pretty good stuff too...
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Post by: Fineus on February 04, 2004, 10:50:07 am
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 10:54:41 am
The purposely and unrelentingly defy natural selection and thankfully have paid the price for it.
Post by: Fineus on February 04, 2004, 10:58:25 am
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 11:11:02 am
Post by: 01010 on February 04, 2004, 11:49:11 am
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*Rolleyes* weed = **** for wank ass lamers
Well that was an informed and well rounded opinion.
Post by: Fineus on February 04, 2004, 12:16:35 pm
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Yeah, c'z denying the fundamental aspects of human nature is a ****ing fantastic idea:
So what are you saying, I can go out and kill a guy as he's about to buy a loaf of bread - because I need it myself, and it's human nature? How far do you reckon that will get you in a civilized society where they made killing eachother illegal years ago.
Strangely though, war is still entirely legal... :doubt:
Post by: Kazan on February 04, 2004, 12:18:05 pm
there is no difference in the behavior of the two groups once you observe them both often enough defending their position
Post by: Fineus on February 04, 2004, 12:19:44 pm
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 12:22:11 pm
Post by: Kazan on February 04, 2004, 12:26:14 pm
an0n: blatant false analogy
Post by: Stealth[cro] on February 04, 2004, 12:32:27 pm
Hippies weren't that bad of a movement - anti-capitalistic (definitely good, as I'm personally sick and tired of monopoly over everything and anything, our lives included), anti-nuclear (also good, if anyone mentions a power blackout I'll just kindly remind them of Chernobyl), much more social than people today, and, in fact, they actually cared whether this planet's going bust or not.
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 12:32:34 pm
Everything ****s you up. It's just that most people are able to balance the beneficial and adverse effects of various substances so that they don't keel over.
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 12:34:58 pm
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Originally posted by Stealth[cro]And they'll probably remind you right back: Coal burning = Pollution.
anti-nuclear (also good, if anyone mentions a power blackout I'll just kindly remind them of Chernobyl),
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much more social than people today, and, in fact, they actually cared whether this planet's going bust or not.Because they were all medicated into a state of false transcendency.
Post by: 01010 on February 04, 2004, 12:47:17 pm
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01010: would you like me to bust out the science on the concentrations of carcinogens, tar, noxious chemicals and the brain damaging effects of THC for you? I have a feeling you've heard it about a thousand times before - but you just have selective hearing and choose to ignore the blatant truth because "it's fun" it "make you feel good"... just like a religious zealot
Not heard it a thousand times before but actually looked it up myself and I choose to do it despite the (so called) facts because I have this little thing called free will, it also helps me to seperate truth from bull****.
I don't see how making a reasonable and informed choice that affects only myself relates me to anyone that follows religion with zeal but I guess that's just your way of rationalising your thoughts with regards to anyone that differs from yourself.
However, "busting out the science" (though there still hasn't been a proper dedicated study that hasn't been converted from tobacco studies or straight from the off goes out to demonize cannabis, that I know of) has nothing to do with you making a gross generalisation which I happen to find quite offensive.
If you genuinely believe that all people that smoke weed are "wank ass losers" (whatever the **** that's supposed to mean) based on mostly theoretical and/or biased science studies and without actually knowing the effects of the drug on yourself or on anybody that uses it, kind of makes you as blinkered as the zealots you so openly despise.
Post by: Stunaep on February 04, 2004, 12:49:45 pm
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 12:50:54 pm
- Paranoia
- Insomnia
- Mild schizophrenia
- Lung cancer
- Throat cancer
- Mental retardedness (AKA Dopeyness)
Post by: Stealth[cro] on February 04, 2004, 12:52:13 pm
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And they'll probably remind you right back: Coal burning = Pollution.
They were always out for alternatives. I don't recall them wanting to use oil or coal. Besides, even a coal powerplant fire is nothing compared to even a minor rad leak. The first may smell bad and make a nasty cloud, but the second will linger around for ~25 years, catch you with your pants down and kill you, if not immediately then in five years when gamma rads kick in.
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Because they were all medicated into a state of false transcendency. [/B]
Something tells me you don't know that many people who were hippies or "hippies". Not all of them were weed-smoking guitar strummers.
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01010 - roger on the biased science. The effect of a psychoactive is ALWAYS dependent on the person. Not to mention the fact THC can be used as a medical supplement, has already been proven, tested and used.
an0n - Thank you, I'll consider myself a moron by a unanimous vote. I don't suppose that point of view is also zealotry?
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 12:56:04 pm
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Originally posted by Stealth[cro]150,000 years of the entire Earth suffering from global warming is slightly worse than 10,000 years of localised radioactivity.
They were always out for alternatives. I don't recall them wanting to use oil or coal. Besides, even a coal powerplant fire is nothing compared to even a minor rad leak. The first may smell bad and make a nasty cloud, but the second will linger around for ~25 years, catch you with your pants down and kill you, if not immediately then in five years when gamma rads kick in.
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Something tells me you don't know that many people who were hippies or "hippies". Not all of them were weed-smoking guitar strummers.Oh, you mean the sexually promiscuous hippies? The ones who all live in poverty with 6 kids and AIDS?
Post by: kasperl on February 04, 2004, 12:57:12 pm
for both i have a simple rule, i don't care if you do it, but not near me.
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 01:00:05 pm
Enjoy your 'spliff'.
Post by: 01010 on February 04, 2004, 01:05:27 pm
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Weed causes:I don't need a government study to tell me this ****, I've seen it and anyone who denies it is either an addict or a moron. [/B]
- Paranoia
- Insomnia
- Mild schizophrenia
- Lung cancer
- Throat cancer
- Mental retardedness (AKA Dopeyness)
Paranoia is a side effect that wears off as tolerance develops.
Your'e pulling the insomnia **** out of nowhere because the only reason I sleep most nights is because I smoke, in fact, chronic insomnia is the reason I started smoking so much.
Schizophrenia is triggered, not caused, by smoking, same deal with L.S.D, Mushrooms etc.
Lung and throat cancer goes with the territory, you don't HAVE to smoke it.
Dopeyness, I hear this a lot, certainly it spaces me out sometimes but I've never felt stupider for smoking and I've never forgotten anything important, mostly just stupid stuff (people I've met a only a few times names, forget to put my watch on before work, forget to call people at certain times) nothing major.
Post by: Stunaep on February 04, 2004, 01:08:36 pm
Post by: Kazan on February 04, 2004, 01:08:40 pm
the hippies weren't bad - i never said they were (anti-capitalistic isn't actually good, ant-PURE-capitism is -- capitilism is the only viable system in the long run, but to remain fair it must have rules and is thereby "inpure"), anti-nuclear isn't always good either -- not using bombs is excellent - but so is nuclear power, chernobyl happened because of brain dead governmental administrators overworking engineers IIRC
there are plenty of people aroud that care about the planet - just ATM They're not in the white house
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 01:10:21 pm
You got insomnia because you smoke weed. You now have a fully-fledged dependency. Kudos.
So what if it only triggers Schizophrenia? It could only trigger a hammer to your face, it's still a negative effect of smoking weed.
The point is: You do have to smoke it. It's addictive :tard:.
Dopeyness: Glad you agree. Weed = Stupidity.
Post by: Stealth[cro] on February 04, 2004, 01:10:59 pm
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150,000 years of the entire Earth suffering from global warming is slightly worse than 10,000 years of localised radioactivity.
Slightly worse my ass. Global warming won't chance a common cold virus into an instant killer. "Localized" radioactivity may, can and probably will. I say "localized", because it never is, I'll restate again - Chernobyl and it's death cloud that covered Europe. Consider yourself lucky if you weren't there. Then again, the USA had just as many nuclear screw-ups...
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Oh, you mean the sexually promiscuous hippies? The ones who all live in poverty with 6 kids and AIDS?
So, they're either promiscuous or on weed...
Tssk... You should really get your FOV increased one of these days...
Post by: Kazan on February 04, 2004, 01:16:14 pm
It may be your personal choice, but that doesn't mean I have to respect it. I have to respect your right to choose, but i don't have to respect that choice. Especially when that choice isn't wholly personal -- if you expose even one person to measurably concentrations of second hand weed smoke (and trust me... measurability extends _VERY_ _FAR_) then you have no longer made it your personal choice. If one single molecule of THC or any other chemical in weed were to drift through the air and is inhaled by another person due to your smoking you have just imposed your choiceo n them and denied them their right to choose the healthy choice.
While it is also your choice it is also my choice that if i was a boos and you were applying form y company you would have to take a drug test, if you failed that drug test you would not be hired. If you passed the test and were hired and I ever smelled weed on you you would be fired, if you were hired and I ever heard you were doing serious drugs you would have to take a drug test and if you failed you would be fired. Fruthermore I will be extremely reluctant to even allow cigarette smokers in my company. I do not need ID-dominated (impulsive) employess, I do not need unhealthy employess, I despise the smell of smoke on someone and it even makes it so i have trouble breathing around them.
I am far from the only person who holds this opinion, and most of us are the people who will end up in managmeent positions.
You keep your choice right now -- when it harms your chances for a job later I will laugh. You keep your choice right now -- when the cops bust down your door I will laugh (though I think you should go to a psychiatric hospital rather than jail).
"Medicialize drugs" -- as in don't throw the addicts in jail, throw the addicts in a mental health center -- send the dealers to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 01:16:20 pm
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Originally posted by Stealth[cro]Firstly: You read too many comics.
Slightly worse my ass. Global warming won't chance a common cold virus into an instant killer. "Localized" radioactivity may, can and probably will. I say "localized", because it never is, I'll restate again - Chernobyl and it's death cloud that covered Europe. Consider yourself lucky if you weren't there. Then again, the USA had just as many nuclear screw-ups...
Secondly: It will not create a super-virus. It will, however, melt the ice-caps, drown your sorry ass and burn the Earth to an arrid, charred cinder of a desert and globally destroy all but the hardiest of lifeforms.
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So, they're either promiscuous or on weed...If they're so goddamn great, where are they now?
Tssk... You should really get your FOV increased one of these days...
Oh, that's right, they either realised being a hippy sucked, died from AIDS or are living in a trailer-park and working 12 hours a day at the local Quick-E-Mart to feed their cough-syrup addiction.
Post by: J3Vr6 on February 04, 2004, 01:16:36 pm
I didn't do the reg's (too weak), though, but crippie and afghan, ak-47, etc.
I stopped doing it a few months ago because I may be in the job market again, but I have to admit my memory is slowly coming back. Does that mean I'd never do it again? Hell no, I know I will. I don't see anything personally wrong with doing things as long as it's not in excess. What I used to do was over the top, but I can't see why it can't be enjoyed during the weekend.
The only thing that's really said is that long term use causes manic depression by the age of 30. And that only happens in certain cases, and wouldn't stop me.
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 01:20:44 pm
Post by: kasperl on February 04, 2004, 01:28:41 pm
long time eating waay to much sugar will **** you up bad too.
just eating a lot of sugar at once ****s you up for the rest of the day, it makes you go hyper like 4 year old on alcohol.
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Post by: 01010 on February 04, 2004, 01:33:38 pm
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Paranoia increases with use.
You got insomnia because you smoke weed. You now have a fully-fledged dependency. Kudos.
So what if it only triggers Schizophrenia? It could only trigger a hammer to your face, it's still a negative effect of smoking weed.
The point is: You do have to smoke it. It's addictive :tard:.
Dopeyness: Glad you agree. Weed = Stupidity.
No, I had chronic insomnia for years before I ever tried weed, I don't like sleeping tablets so I started smoking on the proviso that it would help me sleep and it did and continues to do so. I don't have a dependency because I can easily go long periods without weed, they just happen to be long periods with poor sleep too.
Let me be a little clearer, it can trigger mental illness where it's already established in the family line and is hereditary. If there's no family history then it's reasonable to assume you'll be one of the millions of people that don't go crazy.
It's mentally addictive not physically, a mental addiciton is easy to break if you're not mentally weak.
Post by: Stealth[cro] on February 04, 2004, 01:34:09 pm
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Firstly: You read too many comics.
Secondly: It will not create a super-virus. It will, however, melt the ice-caps, drown your sorry ass and burn the Earth to an arrid, charred cinder of a desert and globally destroy all but the hardiest of lifeforms.If they're so goddamn great, where are they now?
Another bug in your calculations. One, I barely if ever touch comics. Two, you obviously didn't do much research into the effect of half-life decay on human tissue (I have, and only out of pure curiosity). I live some 50 miles away from a nuke powerplant, and I think I know what can happen pretty well. From radiation leaks to a nuclear steam explosion (Chernobyl case) to total meltdowns and chain reactions. Don't tell me it's all comic BS because it will eventually happen. Besides, don't even think about smacking the USSR about the Chernobyl explosion - the first nuclear disaster was in the USA.
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Oh, that's right, they either realised being a hippy sucked, died from AIDS or are living in a trailer-park and working 12 hours a day at the local Quick-E-Mart to feed their cough-syrup addiction. [/B]
If that's true, how come a lot of them are still alive and kickin', not on any kind of drugs (and rarely on any medication) and not acting like an old grup who'll get a heart-attack just because something happened to someone they should've done major business with?
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 01:35:55 pm
No, it's physically addictive. Your body tends to not like being deprived of increased levels of endorphins.
Post by: an0n on February 04, 2004, 01:41:44 pm
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Originally posted by Stealth[cro]Did you even bother to read up on Chernobyl?
Another bug in your calculations. One, I barely if ever touch comics. Two, you obviously didn't do much research into the effect of half-life decay on human tissue (I have, and only out of pure curiosity). I live some 50 miles away from a nuke powerplant, and I think I know what can happen pretty well. From radiation leaks to a nuclear steam explosion (Chernobyl case) to total meltdowns and chain reactions. Don't tell me it's all comic BS because it will eventually happen. Besides, don't even think about smacking the USSR about the Chernobyl explosion - the first nuclear disaster was in the USA.
They sent men in on clean-up with the orders: Get one shovel-full of waste, tip it in that big skip then you can go home. And IIRC 90% of the men died within a week or two from radiation poisoning from the 10 minutes of exposure.
Radiation, believe it or not, kills things.
It's been decades since Chernobyl and the only affects they've seen so far on the nearby life is that it's all deformed. No man-eating trees, no 6ft killer bees, no blue monkeys. Everything either died or became horribly disfigured.
Post by: karajorma on February 04, 2004, 02:12:46 pm
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chernobyl happened because of brain dead governmental administrators overworking engineers IIRC
That might be the indirect cause but the explaination I read was far more tragic (in the if it wasn't tragic it would be funny mold).
The problem with russian RBMK reactors is that should the electricity supply from the reactor fail the cooling pumps stop working.
The backup generators which are supposed to supply them are diesel powered and take 50 seconds to power up, during which time the pumps have no power. This is far too long for the reactor to go without heating.
On the 26th April 1986 the plants managers decided to conduct a test to see if the inertia in the turbines would keep the cooling going for long enough for the backups to kick in. During the course of the test they accidently set the reactor to low power output (which made it difficult to control). They withdrew most of the control rods from the core (against operating instructions) and they then switched off any automatic safety devices that would interfere with the experiment or their attempts to get it back on track (ones which would switch off the reactor if the turbines stopped or if the steam pressure rose).
What they failed to consider is that You don't **** around like that with a live nuclear reactor! :rolleyes:
Post by: Stunaep on February 04, 2004, 02:35:07 pm
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It's actually possible to overdose on sugar. It sends you into a coma and ****.
Well, for that matter, it's possible to overdose on water. I've seen that actually happen (just don't ask where).
Karajorma, you pretty much nailed it with your explanation. But I guess that's the way the russians do things. Infact, an Aeroflot plane with 200 passengers onboard crashed in the 80's because the pilot and the co-pilot were having a coffee, the plane was on auto-pilot, and the pilots son and daughter were on the pilot's seats. Apparently the pilot's son accidentally switched off the auto-pilot and crashed the plane.
Moreso on Chernobyl, the effects of the blast were detected even in a Swedish nuclear reactor, where the daily dosage control read several times above the nominal. The increased radiation was cause by the Chernobyl blast
Now going somewhat on-topic, indeed, weed is physically addictive. The amount of addiction, as well as it's effects are comparable to that of alchohol, only weed tends to lead up to stronger drugs. And because some 01010 doesn't want to admit that he's hooked doesn't mean that it's okay to do weed.
Post by: aldo_14 on February 04, 2004, 02:48:26 pm
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Well, for that matter, it's possible to overdose on water. I've seen that actually happen (just don't ask where).
I remeber a story a few years back where a girl died after drinking 20 gallons of water after taking an ecstasy tablet at a club. I think what haooebs is that the excess water thins the blood (i.e blood cells), so not enough oxygen gets carried around the body.
Post by: Martinus on February 04, 2004, 03:05:11 pm
Supposedly this was as the result of university research, one question: if it's in any way real how did they prove this?
BTW this thread is currently giving off so much heat I'm powering my tea maker from it. ;)
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Post by: J3Vr6 on February 04, 2004, 03:23:58 pm
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I remeber a story a few years back where a girl died after drinking 20 gallons of water after taking an ecstasy tablet at a club. I think what haooebs is that the excess water thins the blood (i.e blood cells), so not enough oxygen gets carried around the body.
Wow, I never heard of that. How did they prove she drank that much water, anyway? It's always that the victim never drank enough water. What XTC does is basically cooks you inside. You have to drink water or you'll fry from the inside. Baked brain, anyone? When I did it I can certainly say I felt like my body was in an incubator. Even the huge amount of water I drank didn't seem like it was enough to cool my body down. And that's the problem with kids using it today, they don't learn enough about it before using and don't realize the amount of water they have to consume so they won't cook.
The XTC produced and sold today is nothing compared to 10-15 years ago. Now it's mixed with heroin and coke, speed. People weren't dying at the rate they are now to X.
Post by: aldo_14 on February 04, 2004, 03:43:31 pm
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Wow, I never heard of that. How did they prove she drank that much water, anyway? It's always that the victim never drank enough water. What XTC does is basically cooks you inside. You have to drink water or you'll fry from the inside. Baked brain, anyone? When I did it I can certainly say I felt like my body was in an incubator. Even the huge amount of water I drank didn't seem like it was enough to cool my body down.
Well, that is you're reason right there........... I guess the diagnosis came from examining red blood cell counts or something, combined with eyewitness evidence. This was a fairly long time ago, though, that i remeber this from. At least 5 years ago, albeit I wouldn't be surprised if there were other cases.
Post by: 01010 on February 04, 2004, 03:48:46 pm
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Now going somewhat on-topic, indeed, weed is physically addictive. The amount of addiction, as well as it's effects are comparable to that of alchohol, only weed tends to lead up to stronger drugs. And because some 01010 doesn't want to admit that he's hooked doesn't mean that it's okay to do weed.
Do you even know the difference between physical and mental addiction?
Heroin is a physical addiction, weed is not. I can smoke weed and go without, sure I want some, but it's not life or death and generally it's a nagging thought at the back of my mind occasionally. My body doesn't need the drug to function.
With heroin however, you get shakes, you can't sleep, you can't eat, you constantly vomit, you get muscle cramps and all you can think about is your next hit. You cannot live your life, you lie cheat and steal to get money for the next hit and life is unbearable for the people around that person. Your body needs the drug because it is dependent on it, it is a physical addiction.
Also, ecstasy is a complete head**** and I know one guy that hasn't been the same since he started doing it. Never touch that ****, it's a waste of time.
Post by: Martinus on February 04, 2004, 03:59:30 pm
Would never touch the things regardless. I have a hard enough time comprehending reality straight without compounding the problem.
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Post by: karajorma on February 04, 2004, 04:17:25 pm
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Well, that is you're reason right there........... I guess the diagnosis came from examining red blood cell counts or something, combined with eyewitness evidence. This was a fairly long time ago, though, that i remeber this from. At least 5 years ago, albeit I wouldn't be surprised if there were other cases.
I heard of this case. or one like it Apparently the victim (I think she was female) had heard of the dangerous of E and kept drinking large amounts of water to ensure that she was safe never realising that too much water is equally dangerous.
Too much water screws up the electrolytic balance of your cells. The salts leak out into the blood in an attempt to balance things out but cause you keep adding more water the cells have less and less of the ones they need.
Post by: Gank on February 04, 2004, 04:19:50 pm
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Wow, I never heard of that. How did they prove she drank that much water, anyway? It's always that the victim never drank enough water. What XTC does is basically cooks you inside. You have to drink water or you'll fry from the inside. Baked brain, anyone? When I did it I can certainly say I felt like my body was in an incubator. Even the huge amount of water I drank didn't seem like it was enough to cool my body down. And that's the problem with kids using it today, they don't learn enough about it before using and don't realize the amount of water they have to consume so they won't cook.
I personally knew someone who died from drinking too much water while off their tits. Nightclub we were in used to be wedged, guy was too hot, drank too much water, keeled over and died. Remember a few other cases of the same thing happening. There was a guy from ds came around the school after and gave us a lecture, good few years ago now but iirc its to do with metabolism and drinking water doesnt do jack ****. Doesnt happen everyone either iirc, I never broke a sweat on them and did quite a few. Anyways I'm sure you'll find something if you google it.
Btw the problem with e's today isnt the coke and heroin its mixed with, its the rat poison and other ****e.
And you shouldnt do that stuff, bad for you, rots your bone marrow and ****s with your brain chemistry, and could quite possibly leave you impotent.
Post by: J3Vr6 on February 04, 2004, 04:26:03 pm
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Do you even know the difference between physical and mental addiction?
Heroin is a physical addiction, weed is not. I can smoke weed and go without, sure I want some, but it's not life or death and generally it's a nagging thought at the back of my mind occasionally. My body doesn't need the drug to function.
I can vouch for that. Toking is not something that I hugely crave now that I stopped doing it. And I did it for almost 3 years straight. The only times that I'd get the urge is if I'm with friends that still do it and we all start talking about times we used to do it, or they go off to do it. Other than that, it's mostly when I'm uber stressed that it would tug at me like, "hey, remember when u used to hover over the bong when you had a really really bad day? Those were the good ol days..."
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Also, ecstasy is a complete head**** and I know one guy that hasn't been the same since he started doing it. Never touch that ****, it's a waste of time.
Yeah, X is pretty bad, and I know people who do it a lot and they're not the same people I once knew. Brain got cooked one too many times, I say. The feeling I had from X was incredible, but the cost to the body is way too high that I probably would never do it again.
Post by: 01010 on February 04, 2004, 05:00:37 pm
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I can vouch for that. Toking is not something that I hugely crave now that I stopped doing it. And I did it for almost 3 years straight. The only times that I'd get the urge is if I'm with friends that still do it and we all start talking about times we used to do it, or they go off to do it. Other than that, it's mostly when I'm uber stressed that it would tug at me like, "hey, remember when u used to hover over the bong when you had a really really bad day? Those were the good ol days..."
I enjoy smoking as a social thing, moreso than drinking in fact. I have real problems with people who demonize cannabis and then wash down their words with beer, the irony it seems is lost on them.
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Yeah, X is pretty bad, and I know people who do it a lot and they're not the same people I once knew. Brain got cooked one too many times, I say. The feeling I had from X was incredible, but the cost to the body is way too high that I probably would never do it again.
Definitely not the same people, it's profoundly affected one guy I know to the point where you can barely hold a conversation with him because he can't think to talk, his brain is mashed and it's because he took too many pills, the danger is that they are so easy to take too.
I think the problem with E is that people treat it like a sweet that they take when they go out or whatever, whereas the reality of the drug is that it is very closely related to the effects of Psilocybin mushrooms and as fantastic as they are, you treat those things with respect cause otherwise you'll pay the price sooner or later.
Post by: Martinus on February 04, 2004, 05:04:36 pm
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Post by: 01010 on February 04, 2004, 05:11:51 pm
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[color=66ff00]The ironic thing about shrooms is that you can sit outside a copshop over here and eat them in full view of the Nips (northern Ireland police service - priceless) and they can't touch you for it. Drop them in a cup of hot water and they can nick you instantly for possessing class B (IIRC) drugs.
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That's what I find odd. I buy mine from a local store and they are almost always out of stock and the police know about it. Unfortunately there is a loophole and it's quite a big one. Wonder how long before they close it.
Personally I don't think the police are too bothered by it, someone shrooming is hardly likely to do any harm from my experience, more likely to sit in a field in wonder at how ****ing fantastic everything is :)
Any form of preparation for shrooms is a Class A.
Post by: Kazan on February 04, 2004, 06:01:53 pm
Post by: Triple Ace on February 04, 2004, 09:21:42 pm
Post by: Corsair on February 04, 2004, 09:22:56 pm
Personally, I think hippies were pretty cool. And they've got the right idea... peace and free love.
*waits to get flamed*
Post by: an0n on February 05, 2004, 04:35:36 am
The things with ecstacy is that is disables that "I need to piss" feeling and the "I need to drink feeling". So you get morons who either don't know anything, don't drink water, dehydrate, overheat and die. Or you get people who've heard half-truths and drink way too much water and basically drown themselves.
The only real problem with E's is if you're taking them every week, in which case they cause some memory loss and a kind of permenant state of 'emptiness' because your body gets used to the massive amounts of.....err......Seratonin? Dopamine? I forget.
Post by: 01010 on February 05, 2004, 11:27:54 am
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Originally posted by an0n
Ecstacy is perfectly safe as long as you remember two things: Only drink as much water as you lose as sweat while dancing; Never use it for prolonged periods.
The things with ecstacy is that is disables that "I need to piss" feeling and the "I need to drink feeling". So you get morons who either don't know anything, don't drink water, dehydrate, overheat and die. Or you get people who've heard half-truths and drink way too much water and basically drown themselves.
The only real problem with E's is if you're taking them every week, in which case they cause some memory loss and a kind of permenant state of 'emptiness' because your body gets used to the massive amounts of.....err......Seratonin? Dopamine? I forget.
It's seratonin and that's why the comedown is so bad. Seratonin is basically the happy chemical that your body produces, a single E will deplete your seratonin completely and it takes up to a year to fully redevelop to pre E levels.
Post by: J3Vr6 on February 05, 2004, 12:55:08 pm
Post by: 01010 on February 05, 2004, 01:10:15 pm
Post by: an0n on February 06, 2004, 04:58:40 am
He disappeared for a few hours and turned up as everyone was catching the train home. He had no memory of anything that happened in those 'missing hours' and couldn't sleep for days.
Post by: icespeed on February 06, 2004, 05:41:05 am
I can't conceive of wanting to take recreational drugs. Reality is always better than fantasy, and if it isn't, then something is wrong with me, not with reality. In which case I should go and find something to do, instead of just stoning myself or whatever. Pain or happiness or anything: why would one want to dull those experiences by inducing false ones?
It's almost as though life is being cheapened.
Post by: an0n on February 06, 2004, 05:45:59 am
All you're doing is altering the equation slightly to produce more favourable results.
It's like how.......err...........Hmmmm:
Say someone called you a 'little slut'. Now, if it was your best friend of 45 years, someone who you were always joking around with, it'd be fine. But if it was some strange man in a club you'd see it as a bad thing (I hope).
All drugs do is help you to interpret things in the sense of the former rather than the latter.
Post by: icespeed on February 06, 2004, 05:52:06 am
I'm not a technophobe or progressphobe or whatever, but why would you want to artificially alter your own perceptions of the world? wouldn't it be better if you could naturally perceive the world in a good way?
(the fact that im a Christian probably gives me a slightly different view point as well.)
Post by: 01010 on February 06, 2004, 10:48:41 am
In fact the perceptions I've had of certain things on drugs have altered my sober perceptions and mostly for the better. I appreciate the smallest of things that I normally took for granted, I treat my family and friends better and I've found a sense of who I am. Not to say that I couldn't have achieved these things soberly but I don't think I would have.
Post by: an0n on February 06, 2004, 12:19:57 pm
It has the same effect as getting a massage, only stronger.
Something as simple as looking at a puppy can change the chemical balance in your brain towards the happy end of the emotional spectrum. So what difference is there between looking at a puppy for an hour and taking an E, aside from the E producing a more potent response?
None.
Everything you say and do in life alters the chemical balance in your brain, it's just that if you leave it upto nature you expose yourself to the possibility of the bad emotions getting into your head. The only possible argument against using mood-enhancing drugs (aside from the side-effects which I'm assuming for the moment don't exist) is that it's directly opposing nature. But that only holds true if you believe the natural emotional states are the best, as opposed to believing they are merely the most capable of keeping you from harm in a 'natural selection' sense.
Anyway, I've got 500ml of Whiskey in me so I'll argue this more capably later......
Post by: 01010 on February 06, 2004, 12:21:41 pm
Post by: an0n on February 06, 2004, 12:25:47 pm
I went to the chip-shop with my sister and decided to buy a ****load of booze from the Spar while I was there.
Then I got home and found the Johnnie Walker's.
Ah, happy days.
Post by: 01010 on February 06, 2004, 08:19:53 pm
The reason, his room had a couple of bits of party popper on the floor. Me and my friends were literally seconds from beating the living **** out of the bullying ****.