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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Knight Templar on February 04, 2004, 11:03:35 pm
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By the Ads, it made it seem as if they were going to have a second time-travel / alternate reality episode in a row, but it was a lot better than I expected.
The series I think has finally gotten really good, especially as how they just spent a whole episode mind raping the Xindhi Weapon Designer to get the location of the weapon. I sort of saw the first deception, but not the second one.
The series has deffinitely come a long way.
EDIT: Did I mention the next episode (besides being a crowd pleaser) looks like it will kick ass? ;7
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3rd season is definately better than the first two.
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Its had some bad moments but its starting to pick up...I think if they do more like this last episode and less like A Night in Sickbay we'll be off without problems.
Stratagem I enjoyed quite a bit...it was complicated, decieving, and characters were doing what they were supposed to be. We've had some strange episodes where characters didn't always seem consistent.
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Man, I don't know about you guys, but I am having problems enjoying Enterprise.... I want to soo bad, I love Scot Bakula, I think he is a very fine actor, but the way they are doing thow show is completely against trek... Hell, look at the ship and the tehnology! This series takes place, what, 150 years before Kirk and company, and the ship is ten times more advanced than the constiution (which was the best of the best of the best at the time) has way more advanced computer systems and everything!
And a majority of the episodes seem to be Voyager reject episodes.... I expect to see Janeway show her ugly mug or Tuvok wandering around half the time. And don't get me started on the inconsistancies between the timelines. I know that they can't do better than TNG or DS9 quality works, but I know they are capable of it! You see fleeting glimpses here and there in the new seires, and at times in Voyager.... But the seem to be content with messeng up the series even more, which is a great shame.
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What's worse is that, like Star Wars, they insist on screwing around with the past and breaking the other series. It's annoying, it's pointless, and it makes no sense. It's the "hey, it's trek" approach and it sucks.
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Look on the bright side though, the timeline is so convoluted that even the Federation time traveler from the future has no clue as to what is going on :)
I think overall though, the main plot episodes of this season have been fun. (the alternate timeline future one was at least interesting from a "what if" perspective) The other stories though have been groaners.
Pretty much with Trek, I try not to pretend that it's hard science fiction like a lot of people try to make it out to be. It's a space opera, always has been, always will be.
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Originally posted by Dough with Fish
Man, I don't know about you guys, but I am having problems enjoying Enterprise.... I want to soo bad, I love Scot Bakula, I think he is a very fine actor, but the way they are doing thow show is completely against trek... Hell, look at the ship and the tehnology! This series takes place, what, 150 years before Kirk and company, and the ship is ten times more advanced than the constiution (which was the best of the best of the best at the time) has way more advanced computer systems and everything!
Oh hell.. you're one of those people. So you want them to go back into the 60's, with the old $100 an episode budget and pull all the old star trek props and effects and put them into the new series just because it's a prequel. :wtf:
Of course it's going to look newer now. It's been forty years since TOS, not to mention there's a bit more money to play with. If you cared to notice though, they've gone to some lengths (more than they usually would on a Star Trek series) to keep it as 'low-tech' as possible. Phasers are new tech. Doors have to be opened. They have hand-held comlinks, they started off with those ****ty missiles, no shields (although hull plating takes care of this plotwise. I see the Voyagerness here, yes.), the ceilings in the cabins are low, as it would be on a small, "this is our first try" starship.
Tech wise, they are fine. Visually, it's like making the jump from Black and White to Colour.
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but there are a lot of things that they did that do nothing for the series but mess up continuity.
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Yes, I am one of those people. And, no, I don't want them to go back how they did things in the sixties, but they could atleast use technology that dosen't look like it's more advanced then what they used in TNG! Have you even bothered looking at the monitors in the rooms?! They look like things that belong in 26th century or some **** like that, not the 22nd. And the ship itself, talk about unoriginal design. Hell, she's been dubbed the Akira-prise due to her overwhelming resemblance to the Akria.....
However, I am abloe to overlook these things if there is a good story that makes sense, that dosen't go against everything set up in the other series which this is supposed to, in one way or another, set up.
The one episode that got me the most was when they brough the Borg into it..... Howwwwwww. WHY!!!! I mean, good god, come on! The borg?! Back then??????? gewagh..... THAT THROWS ONE OF THE MOST, IF NOT THE MOST, IMPORTANT PARTS OF TREK LORE WAY OFF!!!!
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Originally posted by Dough with Fish
Yes, I am one of those people. And, no, I don't want them to go back how they did things in the sixties, but they could atleast use technology that dosen't look like it's more advanced then what they used in TNG! Have you even bothered looking at the monitors in the rooms?! They look like things that belong in 26th century or some **** like that, not the 22nd. And the ship itself, talk about unoriginal design. Hell, she's been dubbed the Akira-prise due to her overwhelming resemblance to the Akria.....
However, I am abloe to overlook these things if there is a good story that makes sense, that dosen't go against everything set up in the other series which this is supposed to, in one way or another, set up.
The one episode that got me the most was when they brough the Borg into it..... Howwwwwww. WHY!!!! I mean, good god, come on! The borg?! Back then??????? gewagh..... THAT THROWS ONE OF THE MOST, IF NOT THE MOST, IMPORTANT PARTS OF TREK LORE WAY OFF!!!!
actually the borg that were in it, were the survivors from the borg sphere that blew up in "First contact"
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Originally posted by Dough with Fish
Yes, I am one of those people. And, no, I don't want them to go back how they did things in the sixties, but they could atleast use technology that dosen't look like it's more advanced then what they used in TNG! Have you even bothered looking at the monitors in the rooms?! They look like things that belong in 26th century or some **** like that, not the 22nd. And the ship itself, talk about unoriginal design. Hell, she's been dubbed the Akira-prise due to her overwhelming resemblance to the Akria.....
However, I am abloe to overlook these things if there is a good story that makes sense, that dosen't go against everything set up in the other series which this is supposed to, in one way or another, set up.
The one episode that got me the most was when they brough the Borg into it..... Howwwwwww. WHY!!!! I mean, good god, come on! The borg?! Back then??????? gewagh..... THAT THROWS ONE OF THE MOST, IF NOT THE MOST, IMPORTANT PARTS OF TREK LORE WAY OFF!!!!
Again, how the hell can you compare that? Have you ever seen a monitor from the 26th century? Or a Trek Monitor from the 26th Trek Century? No. Hell, T'Pol has to look through that microscope anytime she wants to do something productive on the ship...
Like I said, it's made to look cool and be asthetically pleasing to today's eye. You can't really make their tech look 'less advanced' unless you either put more knobs and levers on it than buttons (as seen by the Enterprise warp core) or replace all their computers with 60's Nasa equivilants..
And as Turnsky said, that's First Contact's fault for putting them there. Enterprise just ran with the idea. It's actually one of the more logical temporal paradox-y episode thingies of the series.
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Um, hate to break it to you, but they're using more current tech than anything. The monitors look like 26th century? Dude, they're flat screens. I can pick one up at Best Buy right now. How is that future tech? The show has kept to being low tech really well.
TNG had the people touching black screens that depending on what they pressed would change that display on the counter to another keypad or another screen, being uber dynamic and any screen/display can do anything on the ship. At least in Enterprise there's actual buttons and knobs where they turn things, dial things in, type.
And I can't see any Voyager in Enterprise, I'm sorry. It seems the story's are done that much better on Enterprise than they were on Voyager. And there's a consistency on Enterprise that I haven't seen on any other Star Trek (except maybe later shows of DS9), where the next episode actually has something to do with the last (ie, if the ship got damaged the episode before, it's still damaged... if someone got hurt, they're still feeling it).
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
Um, hate to break it to you, but they're using more current tech than anything. The monitors look like 26th century? Dude, they're flat screens. I can pick one up at Best Buy right now. How is that future tech? The show has kept to being low tech really well.
TNG had the people touching black screens that depending on what they pressed would change that display on the counter to another keypad or another screen, being uber dynamic and any screen/display can do anything on the ship. At least in Enterprise there's actual buttons and knobs where they turn things, dial things in, type.
And I can't see any Voyager in Enterprise, I'm sorry. It seems the story's are done that much better on Enterprise than they were on Voyager. And there's a consistency on Enterprise that I haven't seen on any other Star Trek (except maybe later shows of DS9), where the next episode actually has something to do with the last (ie, if the ship got damaged the episode before, it's still damaged... if someone got hurt, they're still feeling it).
they're prolly some small, low-heat high resolution plasma screens..
and remember folks.. by this point we could be nuking the **** outta each other according to the Star trek universe..
Star trek operates on a differrent timeline, i'm amazed some people haven't realised that yet
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ok, the show is all about a time war, it's about people going back in time and screwing with the time line, then you come in and say "oh, my god the time line is all ****ed up and wrong". I know most of these continuity errors were not intentianal, but all they have to do to fix it is have Danaels going on some tiraid about how the frengi are in federation space and how the Romulans have cloaking devices and how everything is ****ed up. the Borg thing is a prime example, in the origonal timeline the borg didn't even know about earth, but they were from the future, sent back specificly to screw with time, how can you complain about the timeline being screwed up by the Borg when that is the exact reason why they were sent back there in the first place, now granted the end was just stupid, and flox's ability to A) find and thgen B) disable the borg nano probes in one day when it's still a huge deal and practialy a death sentence 200 years later was also stupid, but not show stoping.
and the thing I realy love abbout the show is the consistancy, show to show
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It's not First Contacts fault for putting the Borg there, its the writers looking for episodes for Fall sweeps that put the borg there! And the fact that it's made to look "cool" dosen't help the fact that it looks like it dosen't belong there. IF they wanted it to look more convincing, what they should have done is make the ships controls look like the ones do on ships today. It would make it a lot more concievable than having things look like they do in TNG. But, since (I asume) their target audience with this drivel isn't the core trekkies and old school fans, they why the hell should they bother with it?
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I don't care so much about these supposed continuity errors because the writers have adopted a less mono-episodic, more arc-oriented approach with the third season, sorta like how Babylon 5 became in her second, third and fourth seasons. The whole Delphic Expanse thing does smack of Voyager but from the four eps of the third season I've seen so far, the writers are definitely making up for the travesty of the first two.
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I for one cannot watch Enterprise. I've been ruined by quality shows like B5, Farscape and to a lesser extent, Stargate SG-1.
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For some reason I keep on getting this feeling that at the end of the series, either they're going to do an alternate timeline TOS, or they're going to wipe the series from continuity.
As a note, I agree with Stunaep on Farscape. That is one of the best things ever to be shown on the Sci-Fi Channel.
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The series is great, but to be honest, I think ST should never ever have got involved in time travel, that whole 'Gateway to Forever' or whatever it was called, episode in TOS started this mess, and they've been pretty much unable to pull themselves out since. I love the episodes, but I think that, once this temporal war thing reared it's ugly head, and we started getting visits from people beyond TNG period, I really thought they were risking blowing an absolutely brilliant series.
I will wait and see how it develops, but I hope they get rid of the Time thing and concentrate on meeting new species and forming the Bedrock of the Federation, which is what I want to see, not yet more Borg ships and wierd future humans who look like they polish their faces every morning.
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"The City on the Edge of Forever"
This episode is considered by many to be the best episode of TOS. Authored by Harlan Ellison and with superb acting by both Shatner and a very young and elegant Joan Collins it's hard to argue the point.
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Originally posted by 01010
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lol! *joins*
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Originally posted by Dough with Fish
And the ship itself, talk about unoriginal design.
You're complaining about unoriginal ship design. In Star Trek. That's like whining about how a particular iceberg is terribly cold in the North Pole. Aside from a few souped-up cubes serving duty for basically all the minor alien races and the old Klingon warbird thingies, basically every ship has the exact same bloody design, and they're apparently meant to represent the physical limit in how uncreative one can get in making a vessel.
As to the series... gneh. It's a minor point for me, seeing as Mister Television got shotgunned several months back for offending mine eyes and intellect, but I still hold fast to the ideal that Star Trek should not have breasts. It's not meant to be some fanserving dribble or time-travel romp, it's supposed to be about the people they meet out there in space and have to blow up, and all their freaky-deaky beliefs and cultures and ****e. And the forehead ridges. Never forget the forehead ridges.
In short, nerd nerd nerd nerd Star Trek nerd nerd episode nerd nerd nerd Kirk nerd nerd phasors.
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Not all ST ships are dren. Example the current crop of Vulcan ships on Enterprise. They're pretty slick. And to be honest, I never thought that Enterprise looked like an inverted Akira. It looks like a saucer section with only a basic support structure for the warp nacelles and the impulse drive.
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Originally posted by Liberator
Not all ST ships are dren. Example the current crop of Vulcan ships on Enterprise. They're pretty slick. And to be honest, I never thought that Enterprise looked like an inverted Akira. It looks like a saucer section with only a basic support structure for the warp nacelles and the impulse drive.
turn the Enterprise upside-down.. then compare it with the akira
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The reason why the original constitution doesn't look that advanced in TOS was because they had no special effects budget. So they had almost nothing to work with
You see fleeting glimpses here and there in the new seires, and at times in Voyager....
I felt that Voyager became a good show in the 4th season. The earlier seasons, I'll only watch them if nothing better is on and I don't feel like playing my computer games.
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you just wait someone out there is goin to Remake/Redo every Star Trek Series till the end of the humanity.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Like I said, it's made to look cool and be asthetically pleasing to today's eye. You can't really make their tech look 'less advanced' unless you either put more knobs and levers on it than buttons (as seen by the Enterprise warp core) or replace all their computers with 60's Nasa equivilants...
And why not? The tech is already too messed up. Why in 150 years would we still be using manual input devices? It would all ber thought command. The computers and equipment would be so complex humans couldn't repair any of it by hand, as they often do on Star Trek. Humans wouldn't be piloting the starships, as computers would be much faster and more precise. Humans would only be there to supervise and to give general direction.
and btw, the TOS enterprise is very detailed. i have many images of the reproduction model Unobtainium, Ltd made. they should have had more close-ups in the series.
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Originally posted by Carl
And why not? The tech is already too messed up. Why in 150 years would we still be using manual input devices? It would all ber thought command. The computers and equipment would be so complex humans couldn't repair any of it by hand, as they often do on Star Trek. Humans wouldn't be piloting the starships, as computers would be much faster and more precise. Humans would only be there to supervise and to give general direction.
and btw, the TOS enterprise is very detailed. i have many images of the reproduction model Unobtainium, Ltd made. they should have had more close-ups in the series.
Thought command, hehe. Those predictions have a habit of going the same way of 'in 1999 computers will be a thousand times bigger and humans will live on the moon'.
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we already have thought command.