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Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Black_Knight on February 07, 2004, 07:44:02 pm: Is there an updated starchart out there somewhere? The last one I have was made by Icefire and has an error on it. It lists Alphard twice, and I was curious if anyone had fixed this. http://www.gb-blackknight.com/FS2/fs_images/nodemap_gtva.jpg
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Unknown Target on February 07, 2004, 07:45:35 pm: Do a search on the HLP forums for "Node map", you'll get about a hundred :p
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Black_Knight on February 07, 2004, 08:07:41 pm: Thanks, but any node thread I go through, the pic links are all dead, or not what I'm looking for. :( Although, I did find a nice one by Solatar, despite it being re-arranged on a different angle than what I'm used to seeing. I was hoping for one like Icefire's with the FS2 look...
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: CP5670 on February 07, 2004, 11:18:10 pm: Here is mine; nothing really fancy, but it's very close to the original and incorporates the FS2 changes.

http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/procyon/images/starmap.gif
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Starks on February 08, 2004, 12:39:21 am: Alpha Centauri (Proxima Centuri B) should technically be the closest to us...
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Black_Knight on February 08, 2004, 12:54:04 am: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
Here is mine; nothing really fancy, but it's very close to the original and incorporates the FS2 changes.

http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/procyon/images/starmap.gif

Thanks CP, I would use that, except my fanfic includes systems just beyond the Altair system. :( I actually managed to find another map made by Icefire that I found in an archive I had.
http://www.gb-blackknight.com/FS2/fs_images/nodemap2475.jpg

*warning, its about 640 kb.
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Ghostavo on February 08, 2004, 07:14:44 am: Quote
Originally posted by LLivingLarge
Alpha Centauri (Proxima Centuri B) should technically be the closest to us...

You have to take into account that in a map you only see 2 axis, so although it doesn't seem, Alpha Centauri may be closer than all those systems than one can expect.

In real life, we know that syrius is more than 10x farther than Alpha Centauri.

EDIT:
Proxima Centauri B??
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: karajorma on February 08, 2004, 07:34:28 am: Quote
Originally posted by Ghostavo

You have to take into account that in a map you only see 2 axis, so although it doesn't seem, Alpha Centauri may be closer than all those systems than one can expect.

In real life, we know that syrius is more than 10x farther than Alpha Centauri.

Sirius is only 8.6 LY away twice as far as the Alpha Centuri System.

The reason why Alpha Centauri is further away is nothing to do with the map being in 2D. The node map simply doesn't represent real space in any way, shape, size or form. It's simply a map showing which stars are linked together.
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Ghostavo on February 08, 2004, 07:49:48 am: Quote
In real life, we know that syrius is more than 10x farther than Alpha Centauri.

hehe... thought Sirius was more or less 60 LY's away :D :rolleyes:

Sorry about that...
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Blaise Russel on February 08, 2004, 09:51:59 am: What *I* want to know is, is it 'Dubbe' or 'Dubhe'?

:confused:
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Flipside on February 08, 2004, 10:01:14 am: Soon to be Dubya ;)
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Starks on February 08, 2004, 11:04:23 am: Theoretical question... How long would it take using post-Capella GTVA technology to travel from Alpha Centauri to Sol?
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Blaise Russel on February 08, 2004, 11:16:12 am: Quote
Originally posted by Flipside
Soon to be Dubya ;)

D:
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: karajorma on February 08, 2004, 12:55:12 pm: Quote
Originally posted by LLivingLarge
Theoretical question... How long would it take using post-Capella GTVA technology to travel from Alpha Centauri to Sol?

The orion moves at 10m/s. Light moves at roughly 30,000,000m/s. It takes light 4.3 years to cover the distance. I'm sure you can work the rest out for yourself :)
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: kasperl on February 08, 2004, 01:08:43 pm: even then, a message by good ole radio would work.

but that's the largest plot hole in FS2.
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: CP5670 on February 08, 2004, 02:12:28 pm: Quote
What *I* want to know is, is it 'Dubbe' or 'Dubhe'?
:confused:

It's Dubhe, which is a star in real life, and you can get a clearer look at the name in some of the FS2 command briefings.

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even then, a message by good ole radio would work.

but that's the largest plot hole in FS2.

That particular thing may not be a plot hole; here is a short post I made on this about ten months ago:

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This Earth communication issue has been brought up a couple of times around here; I personally think that the best explanation is that the GTVA has actually contacted Sol but either did not recieve any response at all or got some distressing news, and are not publicizing it to prevent public morale from suffering.
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: aldo_14 on February 08, 2004, 03:09:18 pm: Wouldn;t it take many years for a message to reach Earth and be replied? Even if someone was listening (and on a similar note, why would Earth have or need radio telescopes when they had interstellar travel?)
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: CP5670 on February 08, 2004, 03:15:27 pm: yeah, but 32 years between FS1 and FS2 should have been more than enough time if sent from alpha centauri or some nearby place like that.
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: karajorma on February 08, 2004, 03:33:50 pm: Alpha Centauri is only 4.3 LY away and even if they had to go to Barnard's or Sirius they are still within 9LY of Sol. There was time for a message or two to go back and forth.
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on February 08, 2004, 11:14:01 pm: Question:
On that map http://www.gb-blackknight.com/FS2/fs_images/nodemap_gtva.jpg I noticed that there are systems of Mintaka, Kaus Borealis and Gienah Cygni. Are those the systems used in the Warzone campaign? Or are they from somwhere else?
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Zarax on February 09, 2004, 04:41:50 am: Well, i'm making a campaign based on these assumptions (radio messages and estimated time to travel), but i think it will take another year without FREDers...
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Setekh on February 09, 2004, 05:14:58 am: Quote
Originally posted by Blaise Russel
What *I* want to know is, is it 'Dubbe' or 'Dubhe'?

:confused:

It's definitely Dubhe... a whole bunch of my renders rely on that. :D
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Eishtmo on February 10, 2004, 07:17:35 pm: Go directly to Wiki (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/fsdoc/index.php/Stars%20and%20Planets), do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Enjoy!
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Setekh on February 11, 2004, 06:54:36 am: Heh, awesome.

http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/fsdoc/index.php/Dubhe
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Eishtmo on February 11, 2004, 07:22:38 pm: You're welcome.
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Taristin on February 11, 2004, 08:02:44 pm: You missed Tania Australis, my personal favorite system...
Title: Updated Starchart?
Post by: Eishtmo on February 12, 2004, 07:30:01 pm: Technically, those are only canon systems, not all of them. Talania probably should be pulled off, but I'm lazy.